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EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT
EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT 2017 - Q1
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Executives

Unverified Participant Martin J. Barrington - Altria Group, Inc. William F. Gifford - Altria Group, Inc..

Analysts

Bonnie L. Herzog - Wells Fargo Securities LLC Stephen R. Powers - UBS Securities LLC Christopher Growe - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc. Matthew C. Grainger - Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC Nik Modi - RBC Capital Markets LLC Judy E. Hong - Goldman Sachs & Co. Vivien Azer - Cowen & Co. LLC Adam J. Spielman - Citigroup Global Markets Ltd.

Michael Lavery - Piper Jaffray Glen Richard Anderson - Nuveen Asset Management LLC.

Operator

Good day, and welcome to the Altria Group 2017 First Quarter Earnings Conference Call. Today's call is scheduled to last about one hour, including remarks by Altria's management and a question-and-answer session.

Representatives of the investment community and media on the call will be able to ask questions following the conclusion of the prepared remarks. I would now like to turn the call over to Mr. Bill Marshall (00:49), Vice President, Investor Relations for Altria Client Services. Please go ahead..

Unverified Participant

Thank you, Crystal. Good morning and thank you for joining us. We're here this morning with Marty Barrington, Altria's CEO, and Billy Gifford, Altria's CFO, to discuss Altria's 2017 first quarter business results.

Earlier today, we issued a press release providing these results, which is available on our website at altria.com and through the Altria Investor app. During our call today, unless otherwise stated, we're comparing results to the same period in 2016. Our remarks contain forward-looking and cautionary statements and projections of future results.

Please review the Forward-Looking and Cautionary Statements section at the end of today's earnings release for various factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from projections. Future dividend payments and share repurchases remain subject to the discretion of Altria's board.

The timing of share repurchases depends on marketplace conditions and other factors. Altria reports its financial results in accordance with U.S. generally accepted accounting principles. Today's call will contain various operating results on both a reported and adjusted basis.

Adjusted results exclude special items that affect the comparability of reported results. Descriptions of these non-GAAP financial measures and reconciliations are included in today's earnings release. Now, I'll turn the call over to Marty..

Martin J. Barrington - Altria Group, Inc.

winter mint, summer fusion, and smooth cream. In heated tobacco, Altria continues to partner with Philip Morris International in seeking regulatory authorization to commercialize the IQOS system in the U.S. Both the modified risk tobacco product and pre-market tobacco product applications for IQOS now have been submitted with the FDA.

PM USA's team continues to build its U.S. commercialization plan for IQOS. So, in summary, we believe that Altria remains well-positioned for the rest of the year and, thus, we are reaffirming our full year guidance. Now, here's Billy for more detail on our performance..

William F. Gifford - Altria Group, Inc.

Thanks, Marty, and good morning, everyone. Let me start with the smokeable products segment. Adjusted OCI margins expanded by 2.9 percentage points in the first quarter to 51%, due primarily to higher net pricing and lower resolution expenses. Smokeable reported cigarette shipment volume declined 2.7% in the quarter.

After adjusting for trade inventory movements and other factors, PM USA estimates that its cigarette volume declined approximately 3%, in line with PM USA's estimate for the industry decline rate. In addition, California's cigarette SET, which went into effect on April 1, will also affect shipment volumes in the short term.

PM USA's first quarter retail share was 51%, down 0.1 share point; Marlboro's retail share declined by 0.2 share point to 43.6%. In smokeless, adjusted OCI margins decreased by 3.6 percentage points to 61.9%, driven principally by the Recall impact, partially offset by higher pricing. The Recall drove USSTC's shipment volume down 5% in the quarter.

USSTC estimates that smokeless industry volume grew at approximately 2% over the past six months. It was a tough quarter for wine. Ste. Michelle's adjusted OCI of $21 million was 25% lower than last year and its margins contracted 4.6 percentage points to 15.4% due to lower volume and higher cost. Ste.

Michelle's lower volume was driven by wholesalers reducing year-end inventory and the timing of the Easter holiday, which occurred in the first quarter of last year. Let's now turn to our beer investment. As a reminder, ABI's fourth quarter 2016 results are included in our first quarter results due to the reporting lag.

In the quarter, Altria's reported equity earnings from our investment in ABI were $23 million. These results included net pre-tax charges of $73 million for ABI special items.

As ABI noted in its fourth quarter earnings release, its underlying results were negatively impacted by a challenging environment in Brazil and mark-to-market losses related to ABI's hedging of its share-based compensation payment programs. We, of course, continue to focus on our shareholders.

In the quarter, we returned a large amount of cash to them, paying nearly $1.2 billion in dividends and repurchasing over $550 million in shares. As of March 31, Altria had approximately $1.4 billion remaining in the current $3 billion share repurchase program. We continue to expect completing this program by the end of the second quarter of 2018.

As Marty mentioned, we continue to expect that our 2017 adjusted diluted earnings growth will be higher in the second half. This is due primarily to the financial effect of USSTC's Recall this quarter and the benefit of reporting four full quarters of equity income from our ABI investment. Lastly, a quick word on IRI's retail market share reporting.

As a result of IRI's most recent database restatement, cigarette and smokeless retail market shares had been restated. Share information for each quarter of 2016 is available in our press release. You remember that IRI uses a sample of retail stores and certain wholesale shipments to project market share and depict share trends.

Historical trends of restated numbers are generally consistent with those under IRI's previously reported numbers. That wraps up our results. Marty and I are now happy to take your questions. While the calls are being compiled, I'll direct your attention to altria.com.

Along with today's earnings release and our non-GAAP reconciliations, we've posted for your reference a usual list of quarterly metrics, including pricing, inventory and other housekeeping items. Operator, we're ready for the questions..

Operator

Thank you. Our first question comes from the line of Bonnie Herzog with Wells Fargo..

Bonnie L. Herzog - Wells Fargo Securities LLC

I actually have a question on Marlboro, and it looks like you've been losing slight share behind Marlboro over the past several quarters based on the adjusted data.

So, I guess I'd like to better understand your current strategy with the brand and if some of the new SKUs haven't been as effective as you had hoped and what your innovation pipeline looks like for the remainder of the year behind the brand?.

Martin J. Barrington - Altria Group, Inc.

Hi. Good morning, Bonnie. Thanks for the question. Listen, I think the best explanation of Marlboro was the one we gave at CAGNY just a little while ago. As you know, Marlboro remains the strongest brand by far in the cigarette category; it's the iconic brand in the category. I think it's also useful to remember what our strategy is.

Our strategy in smokeable is to maximize income while maintaining momentum on Marlboro over time. And so, as we've explained, momentum is viewed by us across various metrics. Let me just mention a few of them. One is brand equity, and brand equity for Marlboro has never been higher.

Indeed, I think the number we gave was 14 points higher than the next nearest competitor. Demographics are good. As you know, we've stabilized its share among the important 21 to 29 cohort. And actually, Marlboro share is very good across all the rest of the cohorts as well. Its profitability is undeniable.

I think the number we put up at CAGNY was $34 billion in retail sales in 2016. And then we come to share, and so with share, we look at it over time. It's down two-tenths in the quarter to be sure, but that's why we look at it over time because promotions and the like come in and out of the quarter.

If you look at it over a longer period, I don't know, say 2011, we've gained – I don't – call it, 1.5 share points to 2 share points. So the strategy hasn't changed at all. It's to be the leading brand in the category and to maximize its profitability..

Bonnie L. Herzog - Wells Fargo Securities LLC

Okay. That's helpful. And then, I wanted to ask a question on your wine business. You mentioned it was certainly a tough quarter. Your margins were very low, probably the lowest they've actually been for a number of years. So guess I was hoping you guys could drill down a little further in some of the things that hurt your business during the quarter.

You mentioned your volume was very weak due to the wholesalers reducing year-end inventory, so more color on this and then any sense what your volume was excluding this inventory fluctuation.

And then, finally, this begs a question, which I've asked you guys about before, but would love to hear any updated thoughts or plans that you might have for this business over the next several years in terms of further investments and if you need to actually increase your investments possibly to turn the business around? Thank you..

Martin J. Barrington - Altria Group, Inc.

Okay. Thanks for the question. Listen, I think you have to put the wine quarter in context. If you look at its income growth over the last five years, its grown double-digit, call it, I don't know, 12% give or take. And so you have to place the quarter in context. They had a tough quarter; there's no denying it.

There was inventory that got burned off from the end of the year and the Easter holiday was pushed back into the second quarter this year. So that has the effect on all the numbers if you called out in terms of the volume and obviously in terms of the margin. The wine company does a terrific job out there.

No quarter is perfect and this is ours, I guess, for the wine business. But they do a great job. I don't see the need for anyone to think that we have to step up, in any material way, the investment in the wine company. It was just a tough quarter..

Bonnie L. Herzog - Wells Fargo Securities LLC

Okay. That's helpful. Then just maybe one final quick question for me..

Martin J. Barrington - Altria Group, Inc.

Sure..

Bonnie L. Herzog - Wells Fargo Securities LLC

On your EPS guidance this year, I just wanted to confirm that it does include any potential expense associated with the commercialization of IQOS this year in terms of any hiring you might need to do, marketing, store openings, et cetera. Thanks..

Martin J. Barrington - Altria Group, Inc.

Yes, it's all in..

Bonnie L. Herzog - Wells Fargo Securities LLC

Perfect. Thank you..

Martin J. Barrington - Altria Group, Inc.

Okay. Thanks for calling..

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Steve Powers with UBS..

Stephen R. Powers - UBS Securities LLC

Hey, good morning. Thanks..

Martin J. Barrington - Altria Group, Inc.

Hi, Steve..

Stephen R. Powers - UBS Securities LLC

Hey. So I wanted to pick up first, just to round out the Marlboro discussion....

Martin J. Barrington - Altria Group, Inc.

Sure..

Stephen R. Powers - UBS Securities LLC

Marty, you talked about, I think, in the response to Bonnie that share trends amongst that important younger adult smoker segment had stabilized..

Martin J. Barrington - Altria Group, Inc.

Yeah..

Stephen R. Powers - UBS Securities LLC

Just a little bit more color on – to the extent you have the granularity – what the sequential movement in that cohort looks like over the last year plus, is it similar to the overall where stable means down slightly or is actually truly stable?.

Martin J. Barrington - Altria Group, Inc.

I think the last time we looked at it, it was equal to or slightly greater than. And actually, if you look at it, Steve, from when we implemented the architecture in 2012, that's when it really began to stabilize and, obviously, with the implementation of the architecture, Marlboro Green and Marlboro Black, in particular, are helping in that cohort..

Stephen R. Powers - UBS Securities LLC

Okay. That's great. That's great. And then a question on IQOS and, really, it's a clarification for my benefit. As I understand it, your joint efforts with PMI right now are based on a relationship whereby you'd effectively be licensing IQOS IP owned by PMI for commercialization in the U.S.

Is that the correct understanding?.

Martin J. Barrington - Altria Group, Inc.

I might be a tad more precise on that if you let me.

They're sourcing the product to us, as you know, they're licensing it into us for commercialization, which is essentially the inverse of the relationship we have on e-vapor, which is we source the product for them for e-vapor outside the United States and we license the trademark and the IP to them.

The only distinction of course is that, before the spinoff, there was IP under the Altria tent which we retained at the spinoff..

Stephen R. Powers - UBS Securities LLC

Right. Okay. That's clarifying. And I guess the question I'm thinking about, is there any reason – I know this is hypothetical, but just any reason why we couldn't evolve to a structure in the future where you would end up taking outright ownership of IQOS IP, at least as related to the U.S.

market? Is there anything that would prevent that kind of outcome?.

Martin J. Barrington - Altria Group, Inc.

No, I would agree with you that's it hypothetical, though. And there's nothing, I guess, that could foreclose a different arrangement being struck than the one that we have today, but what I've described is the arrangement we have today with PMI..

Stephen R. Powers - UBS Securities LLC

Okay. Thank you very much..

Martin J. Barrington - Altria Group, Inc.

All right, Steve. Thank you..

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Chris Growe with Stifel..

Christopher Growe - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.

Hi. Good morning..

Martin J. Barrington - Altria Group, Inc.

Good morning, Chris..

Christopher Growe - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.

Hi. I just wanted to ask a question about the smokeless division, and just to make sure I'm looking at it properly, if you kind of quantify the market share loss around 100 basis points of market share, your numbers you gave in the press release show you lost 70 basis points.

Am I getting to like an underlying performance kind of ex the recall of how you performed at retail?.

William F. Gifford - Altria Group, Inc.

Yeah, Chris. Good morning. This is Billy. I think that's the proper way to look at it, Chris. What we quantified was about 100 basis points, the impact of the recall and you're right, in the actuals, we were down 70 basis points..

Christopher Growe - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.

And have you had any of the SKUs back on the shelf long enough to see how that rebuild is going, of market share?.

William F. Gifford - Altria Group, Inc.

Yeah, as Marty mentioned, we are pretty much done replenishing the out-of-stocks that occurred because of the recall at retail, and we are seeing share recover. Now, remember, whenever you have that consumer purchasing other products in the marketplace, it takes a bit of time for us to recover the share, but we're seeing promising signs..

Christopher Growe - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.

Okay. And just a quick question, if I could, a bit of a follow-up on the e-vapor business. PMI has launched a new form of their platform for their e-vapor product in the U.K. Is that technology that Altria has access to or has helped develop? Could you have access to that product for the U.S.

market?.

Martin J. Barrington - Altria Group, Inc.

I can describe generally to you the way that we're handling it at vapor, which is in addition to the two agreements that I described with Steve, I think you know, Chris, that we also have a technology sharing agreement with PMI to work on vapor products.

And the way that basically works, at the risk of an over-summary is, technology that's developed under that agreement can be deployed by each of us in our respective geographies..

Christopher Growe - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.

Okay. That's very helpful. Thanks for your time this morning..

Martin J. Barrington - Altria Group, Inc.

Thank you for calling..

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Matthew Grainger with Morgan Stanley..

Matthew C. Grainger - Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC

Hi. Good morning, everyone. Thanks..

Martin J. Barrington - Altria Group, Inc.

Good morning, Matt..

Matthew C. Grainger - Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC

Just a quick follow-up on cigarette industry volumes, which improved a bit sequentially versus what we saw in the fourth quarter despite the fact that retail consumption in measured channels appeared to slow. We had some headwinds from slower c-store trends, difficult comp.

So, how did that 3% compare to your expectations? And are there any favorable dynamics at the consumer level, maybe consumer confidence that you'd point to as having help support volumes in the short term?.

Martin J. Barrington - Altria Group, Inc.

I guess our view is that it's going back to about where we expected, Matt, is the honest answer. If you look at long-term trends, call it, a five-year trend for the industry, it's about 3%. As you know, we were flatter there for the period that we've discussed previously.

Last year was at 2.5% and now, for this quarter, we're back at about 3% as our estimate. So, our view is that the secular decline is what drives this. It has since the 1980s and it looks to us like it's going about that.

In the quarter, there may be some movements in and out because we've got some excise tax activity, particularly in California, but I don't think its material over the course of the year..

Matthew C. Grainger - Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC

Okay. Thanks, Marty.

And on IQOS, are there any updates you can provide on kind of the level of or pace of engagement at the state level as you're talking to legislators about tax treatment, any sense you can give on timeline and your level of confidence that you could potentially align those discussions with the outcome of the FDA's review of pre-market approval?.

Martin J. Barrington - Altria Group, Inc.

Yeah, that's an interesting question. We are talking to state legislators about the policy issue, of which IQOS is but a part, of having differential taxing, obviously, on lower risk products. That would make good sense. And tax policy gets changed over time, so we're working on that, but I don't have anything new to announce on that.

But it is one of the elements of our work streams..

Matthew C. Grainger - Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC

Okay. Thanks. And if I could squeeze in one last one, sorry....

Martin J. Barrington - Altria Group, Inc.

Sure..

Matthew C. Grainger - Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC

Just with the advent of deeming in the vapor space, just curious any observations on what the implications have been at retail since August.

Have there been changes in retail or inventory levels in vapor? Have you seen better flexibility in being able to secure and manage shelf space as a result of those rules going into effect?.

Martin J. Barrington - Altria Group, Inc.

No, I wouldn't say that. I'd distinguish probably how the dynamics with respect to our vapor business, which, as you know, is going quite well with MarkTen XL. You saw big boost in the number of stores that we're in. We see very good consumer response to the new product.

I would say the thing to watch probably from an industry dynamic are the vape shops. So, I know you're familiar with that phenomenon, but they now have to deal with FDA regulation where they didn't have to deal with any before.

So we have seen some evidence that there's been a reduction in the number of vape shops and that the volume is moving to more traditional channels, which would be a good development for our business of course..

Matthew C. Grainger - Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC

Okay. Thanks, Marty..

Martin J. Barrington - Altria Group, Inc.

Thanks, Matt..

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Nik Modi with RBC Capital Markets..

Nik Modi - RBC Capital Markets LLC

Hi, everyone..

Martin J. Barrington - Altria Group, Inc.

Hey, Nik..

Nik Modi - RBC Capital Markets LLC

Hey, a couple questions. Just – Marty, maybe you can just comment on Nat Sherman and how that integration is going and if you're seeing more space – more of your fair share of space in that higher-end of the back bar.

And then the broader picture question is on IQOS and I guess, as you guys think about your plans to invest ahead of the approval process, what kind of consumer work have you been able to do? How do you know that the consumer is going to uptake on this product because, obviously, since you can't really launch it in the U.S.

until you get that approval, I'm just curious on the science and the research that you're doing with the consumer to get a sense of what the uptake could be?.

Martin J. Barrington - Altria Group, Inc.

Sure. So, first on Nat Sherman, we're working through our plans now. We closed in January, if memory serves, and we're getting that ready to roll. So I don't really have a lot to tell you about Nat Sherman yet because we're just getting started.

On the IQOS consumer work, the situation of course, which is you're right, we don't have the product in market, so we can't do any in-market consumer work. But we certainly can do out-of-market work, which we are working on and, in particular, we are using the learnings from PMI, which I think we've discussed before.

So many of us have been in the international markets and our teams are working quite closely. The idea basically is to try to extract trade and consumer insights and then try to apply them to what we know about our market here, and so we're working on all of that now.

And then when we get in the lead market, that's when we're going to learn more, once we have that product available for consumers. So we're trying to do as much as we can to get a fast start, but you're right to point out and we've pointed out, until you get it in the consumers' hands, you have to be careful..

Nik Modi - RBC Capital Markets LLC

And I guess, Marty, the follow-up to that is having been in the international business, are there any markets that you believe are analogous to the U.S.

market just in terms of consumer behavior, tax structures, demographics?.

Martin J. Barrington - Altria Group, Inc.

I think the better way to look at it, Nik, is that there's no perfect market, but that each of the markets, if you're asking the right question, can give you insights into the behavior. So, obviously, in terms of traditional cigarette markets, it's customary to compare the United States more to Western Europe.

But, obviously, there are insights to be generated from seeing the uptick that's taken place in Japan, so rather than to get locked in on a geography, we're focused in on the insights..

Nik Modi - RBC Capital Markets LLC

Excellent. Thanks so much..

Martin J. Barrington - Altria Group, Inc.

Okay, Nik. Good to hear from you..

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Judy Hong with Goldman Sachs..

Judy E. Hong - Goldman Sachs & Co.

Thank you. Good morning..

Martin J. Barrington - Altria Group, Inc.

Good morning, Judy..

Judy E. Hong - Goldman Sachs & Co.

So I just had a few follow ups.

One is just California and Pennsylvania, just kind of a color that – any color you could give us in terms of the impact from the excise tax increase in those markets?.

Martin J. Barrington - Altria Group, Inc.

Our estimate is that it will have about a 1% impact on volume this year..

Judy E. Hong - Goldman Sachs & Co.

And that there's no changes based on what you've seen so far in those markets?.

Martin J. Barrington - Altria Group, Inc.

No, not so far..

Judy E. Hong - Goldman Sachs & Co.

Okay. And then just in terms of guidance, I know at CAGNY you talked about the potential Recall-related expenses in smokeless and I think, at that time, it wasn't clear whether it was going to be included in the adjusted earnings growth numbers. So, now, you're including it, but you didn't change the adjusted EPS numbers.

So does that sort of imply that may be the underlying trends are actually slightly better than what you would've thought during CAGNY?.

William F. Gifford - Altria Group, Inc.

Hi, Judy. This is Billy. As we answered that question at CAGNY, you'll recall, when we provide guidance, we run a range of scenarios that are included in the guidance, and so that'll take into account these types of events, and so we feel the same that we felt at CAGNY. We feel good about guidance and that's why we were able to reaffirm today..

Judy E. Hong - Goldman Sachs & Co.

Got it. Okay.

And then just lastly, Marty, on MarkTen XL, just in terms of the conversion rate that you're seeing on that product versus the prior versions, is there anything you can share with us on that front?.

Martin J. Barrington - Altria Group, Inc.

Yes. We've had much, much better return business on the new product than we did on the former product, and so we can measure that by the number of cartridges that are purchased versus the device, and they're much, much better..

Judy E. Hong - Goldman Sachs & Co.

Got it. Okay. Thank you..

Martin J. Barrington - Altria Group, Inc.

Nice to speak with you..

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Vivien Azer with Cowen..

Martin J. Barrington - Altria Group, Inc.

Good morning, Vivien.

You there?.

Vivien Azer - Cowen & Co. LLC

I am. So, Marty, I just wanted to double-click on your comment around promotional activity from competitors in the quarter. Can you elaborate on that at all? And perhaps contextualize it in the broader context of the competitive landscape over time, because I know we see these episodes of competitive activity bubble up from time to time. Thank you..

Martin J. Barrington - Altria Group, Inc.

That's probably the best way to describe it. Look, it's always competitive, and we're always monitoring and we're always adjusting. That's basically how it works. We were trying to provide some color in the quarter about seeing some competitive product expansions and some promotional changes, and PM USA has adjusted appropriately, as it always does.

So this is the Sturm und Drang that goes on, I think, at retail and in competition, but we watch it carefully, of course. But, of course, if you look at net pricing for the quarter, you can see that PM USA's realization was still above 4.5%. So that's what we were trying to convey, Vivien, which was some color about that..

Vivien Azer - Cowen & Co. LLC

That's helpful. Thank you. A bigger picture, theoretical question, if you will. Yesterday, President Trump noted that he would be open to a gas price increase and we haven't seen one since 1993.

And I know there are a number of macro factors that you look at to determine kind of the health of the consumer and the potential impact on cigarette volumes, but can you just offer any commentary on how you guys would think about a gas tax increase impacting cigarette volumes? Thanks..

Martin J. Barrington - Altria Group, Inc.

Yeah, obviously, that announcement just came out yesterday, and so we're taking a look at what it might do to the c-store trade. Obviously, gas is a big deal at c-store and that's where most of our traffic runs through. So I guess we'd have to – we'll have to take a look and see what it is.

I know that there are sort of entrenched interests on both sides of the question about whether the gas tax should be raised. So we'll have to wait and see, I guess..

Vivien Azer - Cowen & Co. LLC

That's helpful.

And then the last one for me, from the FDA from a menthol perspective, any updates there?.

Martin J. Barrington - Altria Group, Inc.

None..

Vivien Azer - Cowen & Co. LLC

Okay. Thanks very much..

Martin J. Barrington - Altria Group, Inc.

All right. Thanks for calling, Vivien..

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Adam Spielman with Citi..

Adam J. Spielman - Citigroup Global Markets Ltd.

Hi. Thank you for taking the question. So, as I look back, as I think about the quarter as a whole, you've had really strong growth in OCI in smokeable against a really tough comp. Smokeless segment, yes, you've had the recall, but excluding that, profit looks really strong as well.

On the other hand, I guess market share in cigarettes has been a little bit disappointing. So the question is, as you look forward, is there any reason to suppose it won't return to a, let's say, a more normal pattern with perhaps less price realization, a little less OCI, but equally a better market share trend in cigarettes.

That would be the first question..

Martin J. Barrington - Altria Group, Inc.

Okay. Well, let me respond to that. It's always a balance, is the honest answer. The strategy on the smokeable business, as you know Adam, is to try to maximize our income and we try to do that and we have done that, I think as you point out, quite well over time.

At the same time, we want to make sure we have momentum on the key brands and we're mindful of that. So, the honest answer is it's a balance..

Adam J. Spielman - Citigroup Global Markets Ltd.

Fine. Okay. And then just turning back to the FDA, can you – at CAGNY, you gave quite a lot of detail about the expense of putting in applications for authorization for your cigars and e-products of various sorts.

Can you just give an update about how those applications are going? Whether you've had any response back from the FDA, and whether there has been any news there? What news is there?.

Martin J. Barrington - Altria Group, Inc.

I would say it continues to be as we described it at CAGNY, which is there's much more activity in terms of the interaction between the agency and our operating companies about their applications as they work through, and you're right, it's much more expensive than the FDA has estimated.

And so, we're having to be mindful about which products we pick in order to put applications in because they come with an expense. Look, our strategy is to engage constructively with the agency and to try to encourage it to make good policy decisions, and that includes on approval of our submissions.

We continue to believe that our submissions are well-founded and in good form, but it's a process and you have to go through that with FDA. So, I would say, it's been more of the same since we last discussed this at CAGNY..

Adam J. Spielman - Citigroup Global Markets Ltd.

Okay. Thank you very much..

Martin J. Barrington - Altria Group, Inc.

Thanks for calling in..

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Michael Lavery with Piper Jaffray..

Michael Lavery - Piper Jaffray

Good morning..

Martin J. Barrington - Altria Group, Inc.

Michael, good morning and welcome..

Michael Lavery - Piper Jaffray

Thank you. You mentioned in your release that your strategy on Middleton is maximizing income and, obviously, that didn't reference share momentum.

I don't think that's new, but can you confirm that? And then, either way, can you just speak a little bit to your thinking there? Because, certainly, the volume momentum in cigars broadly typically is a bit better than cigarettes, but is it just that the economics aren't as attractive or can you just frame why share momentum there wouldn't be part of the strategy?.

William F. Gifford - Altria Group, Inc.

Sure, Michael. This is Billy. Thanks for the question. If you recall, when we look at the cigar category, you have it in basically three segments. You've got the tipped, where Black & Mild participates and has over about 90% of that segment. You have the un-tipped and then you have the non-cigarillo form.

We participate in the tipped and we have basically a large market share there. And so that's why we're running for profitability. That's where most of the profitability is in the cigar category.

In the un-tipped segment, there's basically a price we're going on where people are competing for volume, but at a very low profitability, and we're really not participating in that segment. So it hasn't been a change for us, but I think that describes the strategy and the approach we have in the cigar category..

Michael Lavery - Piper Jaffray

Okay. That's good context. Thank you.

And then just one last one; on Nat Sherman, I know you are still working on plans and working on the roll out and so it's still very small, but in terms of the volume in the quarter, would that have had any material – how much did that add? Is there any amount of the volume there?.

Martin J. Barrington - Altria Group, Inc.

It's very small. As you know, that brand right now is pretty much a boutique brand and so, in this quarter, I wouldn't call anything out as material..

Michael Lavery - Piper Jaffray

Okay. Thank you very much..

Martin J. Barrington - Altria Group, Inc.

Nice to hear from you..

Operator

And your next question comes to the line of Glen Anderson with Nuveen Asset Management..

Glen Richard Anderson - Nuveen Asset Management LLC

Hey. Good morning. Thanks for the call..

Martin J. Barrington - Altria Group, Inc.

Good morning..

Glen Richard Anderson - Nuveen Asset Management LLC

I wanted to go back to IQOS and your conversations with the states.

Have those conversations included how the IQOS would be measured as far as the MSA goes? Are the sticks going to be counted as a regular cigarette?.

Martin J. Barrington - Altria Group, Inc.

No, but that's a good question as well. Our operating hypothesis is that the definition under the Master Settlement Agreement would cover the Heat Sticks because they're tobacco wrapped in paper. So it's a parallel definition. It's not the same as the states, but it's a parallel, you're right..

Glen Richard Anderson - Nuveen Asset Management LLC

And they would count as a cigarette then?.

Martin J. Barrington - Altria Group, Inc.

For those purposes, yes, sir..

Glen Richard Anderson - Nuveen Asset Management LLC

Okay, very good. Thank you..

Martin J. Barrington - Altria Group, Inc.

Thank you for asking..

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Nik Modi with RBC Capital Markets..

Nik Modi - RBC Capital Markets LLC

Thanks for the follow-up. Marty, I was just wondering – or Billy, if you can comment on just the general c-store environment because most companies are suggesting it's been pretty tough from a traffic standpoint, but it looks like cigarette industry volumes actually came in a bit better than I think most folks were looking at.

So I was hoping to get your characterization on, kind of, how you see the environment right now..

Martin J. Barrington - Altria Group, Inc.

Yeah, it's a good question. We continue to see, at least our consumer, who of course are moving to the c-stores, we think the environment continues to be largely constructive for them, Nik, when you look at the factors we've discussed whether it's unemployment rates or housing starts or consumer confidence.

We have been following carefully the commentary by others in CPG about perhaps some softening for their consumer set, which obviously overlaps with ours in some respects. We just haven't seen it yet and we haven't seen that in the c-store trade for our category, not yet..

Nik Modi - RBC Capital Markets LLC

Perfect. Thanks so much..

Martin J. Barrington - Altria Group, Inc.

Okay. Thanks for following up..

Operator

Thank you. At this time, I would now like to turn the call back over to Mr. Bill Marshall (36:36) for closing remarks..

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Operator

Thank you. This concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect..

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