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EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT
EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT 2021 - Q1
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Ian Webber

Good morning and good afternoon, everybody, and welcome to our First Quarter 2021 Earnings Conference Call. The slides that accompany today's presentation are available on our website, www.globalshiplease.com.

Slide 2 and 3, as usual, remind you that today's call may include forward-looking statements that are based on current expectations and assumptions and are, by their nature, inherently uncertain and outside of the company's control.

Actual results may differ materially from these forward-looking statements due to many factors, including those described in the Safe Harbor section of the slide presentation. We also draw your attention to the Risk Factors section of our most recent annual report on Form 20-F, which is for 2020 and was filed with the SEC on 19th of March this year.

You can obtain this via our website or via the SEC's. All of our statements are qualified by these and other disclosures in our reports filed with the SEC. We do not undertake any duty to update forward-looking statements.

For reconciliations of the non-GAAP financial measures to which we will refer during this call to the most directly comparable measures calculated and presented in accordance with GAAP, you should refer to the earnings release that we issued this morning, which is also available on our website.

As usual, I'm joined by our Executive Chairman, George Youroukos; our Chief Financial Officer, Tassos Psaropoulos; and our Chief Commercial Officer, Tom Lister. George will begin the call with some high-level commentary and an update on our current areas of focus.

And then Tassos, Tom and I will take you through our recent achievements, quarterly results, financials and the current market environment. After which, we'll be pleased to take your questions. Turning now to Slide 4, I'll pass the call over to George..

George Youroukos

Thank you, Ian, and good morning or good afternoon to you all. Simply put, this has been a great quarter. It's been great for the industry in general. It's been great for our liner customers and it's been great for Global Ship Lease.

The strong containership market momentum of late 2020 has further accelerated in 2021, positioning the sector for levels of profitability, not seen in many years. No doubt, you have seen the earnings guidance upgrades put out by the likes of Musk.

Port delays, equipment shortages and congestion in the Suez Canal have helped at the margins by tying up containership capacity. But this strong market is actually based on strong fundamentals, particularly for the size segments we focused on.

And we expect these fundamentals to be sustainable well beyond when some of the temporary factors eventually dissipate, which I will tell you more about shortly.

In line with our longstanding strategy, we're taking advantage of the opportunity presented by this red hot market to lock in upside for extended durations and to deliver sustainable and accretive contracted revenue and earnings growth.

Since the start of the year, we have concluded 11 new charters for terms ranging from 21 months to over four years on our existing fleet, adding over US$280 million of contracted cover. And we have contracted to purchase and are in the midst of taking delivery of seven ships. All of which have charters attached.

We have also taken the opportunity to refinance a little over $330 million of our 2022 debt, pushing maturities out to 2026 and reducing annual debt service by almost US$20 million. The rating agencies have clearly appreciated all of the above and have upgraded our credit ratings to B+ Stable and B2 Positive.

On the right of this slide, you can see that we have grown our quarterly revenue to $73 million, our adjusted EBITDA to $44.7 million and our normalized net income to $17.8 million.

And we strongly believe that we're well positioned for further earnings growth, both from logging in high charter and longer charter terms on our existing ships and by continuing to grow selectively and accretively.

On the back of all this, we have declared a quarterly dividend of $0.25 per quarter, which has to be paid on June 3 to shareholders of record on May 24.

This is more than double the $0.12 per quarter we announced in January since then we have agreed to purchase seven ships, four of which are already in our fleet and contributing to earnings and have added additional charter cover at higher rates for longer periods.

Basically, we strongly believe in the sustainability of earnings and we're putting our money where our mouth is. If you now turn to Slide 5, I'll give you a helicopter view of the dynamics shaping our industry and explain to you, why we believe this, that the best is yet to come.

We all know that container shipping had a remarkable 2020, despite global volumes falling by 2% year-on-year. So with volumes expected to grow in 2021 by almost 7% well in excess of supply growth, it makes sense that the market continues to tighten and charter is continued to strengthen.

And to be perfectly clear, this volume growth figure represents the underlying demand for containerized freight to be moved. So our expectation of the market tightening does not depend on factors like port delays and other such temporary impacts of COVID.

The question is what happens next? And here, I point you to the top chart on the left of this slide, which shows containerized demand growth forecasts. The dark blue bars and supply growth forecasts, which are shown in two ways.

The pale blue bars show supply growth for the global containership fleet as a whole, while the red bars show supply growth specifically for the mid-sized and smaller ship we focus on. And these are the bars to look at, which as you can see is tiny and encouraging picture.

I hope you will agree, especially when you consider that CPS slots are already pretty much full all the way into 2024. And that the data shown here assumes zero scrapping.

So if anything may even overstate supply growth, that brings us to the ever-growing pressure on the industry to decarbonizes, coming both from capital providers and other stakeholders, putting increasing emphasis on ESG.

And from a growing pipeline of regulations aimed at enforcing carbon reductions over the coming years, as you will have read considerable work has been done on developing green fuels and proportional technology.

And there are certainly a number of existing prospects being discussed, but in reality, it will be a number of years and many, many billions of dollars before these fuels and crucially the energy chain and shore-side infrastructure required to support them are in place at any meaningful commercial scale.

In the meantime, the only way that the industry can materially reduce emissions is to reduce speed, full-stop. And this is exactly what is contemplated by the new IMO initiative EEXI, which is expected to be implemented from January 1, 2023.

EEXI will effectively require ships already on the water to meet the emission standards required of newly built ships and a large portion of the global fleet will only be able to achieve this standard by slowing down. And this is the interesting part. If you speed ships up, you increase effective capacity, allowing them to carry more cargo.

As you can see from the chart at bottom left, that's what the liner operators have been doing, our supply has to go tighter.

So what happened if, when actually EEXI forces ships to slow down, the answer is that effective capacities reduced, refer rule of thumb is not reducing the average speed of the global fleet by one note is equivalent to reducing effective capacity by 5% to 6%.

So long story short, we see today's capacity crunch and the resulting high earnings continued for some time yet. On that note, I'll hand the call over to Ian. Ian Webber Thank you, George. Please turn to Slide 6.

One of our principle objectives is to deliver earnings growth from both locking in higher rates for longer durations on our existing ships and from accretive acquisitions.

This first quarter we've done both with charter renewals and the agreed acquisition of the seven 6,000 TEU ships bringing total forward contracted cover to around $984 million spread over 2.6 years.

As usual on this slide, we show our contract cover and charter portfolio, the pale blue bars show charters already in the face when we started 2021, our dark blue bars show the 11 new charters that we've agreed since January 1.

As you can see, building on an already strong second half of 2020, rates have just got stronger and charter terms longer as this current year has progressed.

We were pleased to have fixed an over 20 year old 2,500 TEU feeder vessel, the Maira early in January, this year at a little over $14,000 a day, substantially higher than the prior charter, which was an $8,000 a day. But we've recently fixed her sister, the Newyorker through mid 2024 at $20,700 a day.

That should give you a sense of how the market is continuing to evolve and it's by no means an outlier this fixture. In fact, the story is replicated across all size categories.

Those of you who have been with us for a while will recall that we acquired the GSL Nicoletta and the GSL Christen to 6,800 TEU ships for about $13 million each back in early 2020.

Those have now been fixed on multi-year charters at rates north of $35,000 a day – $35,000 a day, which should generate approximately $10 million of EBITDA each per year not far shorter the purchase price of the vessels. And we have another seven ships coming open in the balance of 2021 and more in 2022.

But as you can imagine, we may likely have to wait until the very end of the current charters or redelivery windows before we can redeploy the ships or extend them at higher rates. In today's tight supply environment, charters will hang on to ships, especially at below market rates for as long as they possibly can.

So that pushes you out to the end of the redelivery window. In the middle of the slide, with the names in reds, you can see the seven ships that we've contracted to purchase with the charters attached. Four of these ships were delivered in late April, a little earlier than we were expecting.

And the remaining three will deliver later this quarter or early next. If you now turn to Slide 7, I'll recap why these seven ships that we're welcoming into our fleet are such an attractive investment, such a clear illustration of our value accretive growth strategy.

In short, firstly, we focus on existing ships with charters attached or arranged in tandem with the purchase, which are immediately accretive to cash flows.

This is as opposed to new buildings for which there can be a two or three-year wait before the vessels come online, earning revenue and during which time the owner has to fund all – or has all of the funding costs. We expect these seven ships to add approximately $29 million to annual adjusted EBITDA. We're risk-averse.

Secondly, we look for good returns right out of the gate on assets with the low economic depreciation, limited residual value risk and compelling upside potential. These seven ships fit the bill perfectly.

They have at least three years of contract cover, deliver a purchase price to EBITDA multiple of approximately four times, push net income and earnings per share up significantly and have good downside cover with scrap value alone equivalent to about 60% of the purchase price. Thirdly, the ESG and economics trends of our strategy are well aligned.

Our view is to take a full life cycle approach to the carbon footprint of ships. This means considering the footprints associated with the building and recycling of ships as well as operating it. We believe that it only makes sense to build new ships when we and the industry in general know how they're going to be powered on a sustainable basis.

Until then, in our view better to optimize and, where possible, extend the economic life of existing ships, such as the seven we've just purchased. Fourthly, we look to stay flexible and agile. We aim for attractive investment returns within five years or less, allowing us to adjust our strategy to the evolving decarbonization environment.

Our aim is to position GSL to be legacy problem-free and with a strong cash position to be able to capitalize on next-generation green technologies as they proven out to mature over the coming decade. With that, I'll turn the call over to Tassos to talk you through our financials..

Tassos Psaropoulos

Thank you, Ian. This has been a busy quarter with a significant number of moving pieces in our financials. So we have summarized the key points for you on Slide 8. Revenue for the quarter was $73 million up from $70.9 million in first quarter, 2020. Similarly, adjusted EBITDA was $44.7 million up from $40 million first quarter last year.

Normalized net income which adjust for one-off items was up from $10.5 million to $17.8 million. I would like to spend a moment on the one-off items. Firstly, we have remained very active with refinancings, most notably the 9.875 notes, which would due in 2022 and were replaced by five year facility with Hayfin maturing 2026.

When taking the notes out, we were obliged to pay whole premium just under 2.5%, which amounted to $5.8 million. Furthermore, we had right over the remaining deferred financing cost and original issue discount associated with lesions of the notes back in 2017, resulting in non-cash charges of $4.8 million.

In a partial refinancing repayment of the 10% junior debt associated with Blue Ocean facility, we incurred the prepaid premium charge of $1.6 million.

And that one-off is a non-cash adjustment of $1.3 million associated with management stock awards in the quarter, partly new awards for additional members of staff and partly acceleration of existing awards as best ingredient that were met. Now moving to the balance sheet items here, there are various points to highlight.

Our cost position at March 31, 2021 was $162.7 million. As I have alluded to above, we have successfully refinanced motto for 2022 maturity debt, all-in, we have refinanced $330.6 million pushing those maturities out to 2026 reducing annual debt service by above $19.8 million and bringing down our blending cost of debt down from 6.4% to 5.5%.

Meantime, we have raised $43.7 million of unsecured paper year-to-date under our ADM programs further increasing our flexibility. Now for the seven ships, we have contracted to purchase we have lined up financings of $64.2 million of which we have drawn down $32.1 million, it gets the three ships delivered so far.

We are finalizing additional finance of $14.7 million, which we expect will be completed in the upcoming days for the fourth ship.

On the equity front, we raised approximately $72 million of common equity back in January, including the green fuel, this combined with a convention of all our Series C preferred common shares on completion of the notes refinance and adjustments for the share incentive program brings our share count March 31, 2021 to 36.3 million.

And finally, just after the end of the quarter, we executed non-dilutive secondary offering for our common equity that materially increased the size of our free float and meaningfully diversified our shareholder base, which we believe materially improves the attractiveness, liquidity and the stability of our common stock for a growing group of potential investors.

Passing over the detailed financial statement, which appear in full on Slides 9 through 11. I would now like to spend a little time on the data calculator slide, Slide 12, which is intended to help you with your modeling. The table on the left hand side is designed to allow you to plug in revenue assumptions for vessels coming open in 2021 and 2022.

Please note that given the strength of today's market, the open days for 2021 are based on the conservative assumption that charters will only redeliver ships with below market existing charters at the very end of the permitted windows, as Ian mentioned before.

For 2022, we have reverted to our usual assumption that ships will redeliver in the median of its window. On the right hand side, we have provided some reference rates, I must emphasize that these are not forecast and are simply intended to help you benchmark historical average and those prevailing at the end of April, 2021.

I highlight that the ladder are based on three year charters as that term rather than the traditional six to 12 months fixture, is more – what is actually happening in the market. On Slide 13 now, we give some pointers of CapEx spending.

One point what's underlying is that four of the seven ships we have contracted to purchase will be dried up this year either on delivery or within a few months. The remaining three will only be dried up in 2025 or so. Once again, the indicative cost provider not focused, they are based on cost we have historically in care for comparable ships.

I will now like to turn the call over to Tom for his review of the market..

Tom Lister

Thanks, Tassos. So Slide 14 is intended to highlight the ship sizes on which we're focused, which will help put the subsequent slides in proper context. So as you can see here, we're focused on mid-size and smaller ships which is shorthand for ships ranging from about 2,000 TEU, up to roughly 10,000 TEU.

The top map on the left shows the deployment of our “our sizes of ship” by ships under 10,000 TEU and emphasizes their operational flexibility. As you can see, they're deployed pretty much everywhere.

The bottom map on the other hand shows where the big ships, in other words those larger than 10,000 TEU are deployed, which tends to be the East West main lane or arterial trades where the cargo volumes and crucially the shore side infrastructure can support them.

And it's important to note that roughly 70% of global containerized trade volumes are actually moved outside these main lanes, in the North South regional and intermediate trades served by ships like ours. Turning now to Slide 15. This slide shows supply side trends that tend to be a barometer of health for the sector.

The top chart shows idle capacity, which at the end of March was 1.5% and has since fallen to below 1%, this is pretty much full employment and explains why as George pointed out earlier, the liner operators have had little choice, but to speed up their ships to try to accommodate growing demand.

The bottom chart tells a similar story, ship recycling or scrapping has been almost non-existent for container ships this year. Why? Because the ships – because the charter markets and earnings environment is so hot.

Why scrapper ship, if you can squeeze a few more millions of EBITDA out for, so that's the baseline, full employment of the global fleet, which sets us up nicely for the next slide. Slide 16, here you can see on the left for the various feed side segments have grown over the last few years.

The segments we're focused on those sitting in the red box have seen negligible or even negative fleet growth due to under investment. The same phenomenon carries through to the chart on the right, which shows the order book pipeline for deliveries through to 2024. Again, the fleet segments in the red box, our segments have minimal order books.

As you can infer from the chart, the flurry of ordering activity that you would have read about has been heavily focused on the big ships above 10,000 TEU, in other words, not on a sector in which we compete.

This explains why the order book to fleet ratios for our focus and core segments are 2.7% and 0.6% respectively, versus that for the overall order book as a whole of 15.6%. So what's all this done for earnings in the container ship charter market? And for the answer for this, please turn to the next slide, Slide 17.

And here a picture tells 1,000 words and you can see for yourselves the current levels and trajectory of charter rates for the various benchmark sizes in the liquid charter market.

These rates are based on indices to six to 12 month charters, while the market is really shifting to a multi-year focuses as Tassos just mentioned, but the directionality and the narrative is effectively the same. So all in all, a fantastic market. And on that high note, I'll turn the call back to George to wrap up.

George?.

George Youroukos

Thanks, Tom. I will very briefly summarize, and then we will be happy to take your questions guys.

In a very strong market, we have materially increased our contract cover in both duration and dollar amount, as we have signed and expect to continue signing charters with more attractive rates and longer durations that have been available in the market for many, many years.

Our balance sheet is in very good place, with substantial cash on hand and improved credit rating, as usual proactive refinancings and the most durable access to diverse capital sources on attractive terms.

We have an attractive fleet of high account, mid-sized Post-Panamax and smaller container ships, which are well supported by supply side fundamentals. Idle capacity in these classes is already essential non-Existent, even with a global fleet having sped up in recent quarters.

The order book below 10,000 TEU remains negligible with CPR capacity discuss in the coming years and emissions regulation coming from early 2023 that we believe will shrink effective capacity as ships are forced to reduce speeds in order to achieve compliance.

The market is in excellent position with both freight rates and charter rates continuing upward. Our customers in the liner sector have reportedly very impressive results to date and have provided eye catching guidance for the duration of the year.

To put the current market in context, spot market charter rates have tripled and quadrupled, since their lows at around this time last year, and rather than being fixed for months, charters are being agreed for multi-year terms. The safety and welfare of personnel at sea and on shore remains our highest priority.

In the center component of the ESG culture embedded in the way we do business. We have delivered on our long held strategy priority of refinancing our 9.875 notes and we've implemented and now declared a quarterly dividend at more than double the amount we previously indicated, due to a growth into the continuing strength of the market.

We intend to stay active in chartering ships at good rates as they come open and we will continue to actively evaluate and selectively act on accretive growth opportunities that meet our criteria. With that, I would be happy to take your questions..

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Randy Giveans with Jefferies..

Randy Giveans

How are you gentlemen, how is it going?.

Ian Webber

Good Randy..

Randy Giveans

Yes, I can imagine it's going pretty well. I guess for the recently announced dividend, I guess first, how was that amount decided? You increased it from $0.12 to $0.25, any positive surprise here.

I guess, is this as a fixed dividend for the foreseeable future or is this something you kind of continue to play on growing on an annual basis and then yes, how do you get to that kind of $0.25 number?.

Ian Webber

Yes, George. Take this….

George Youroukos

Yes, sure. Yes, of course. Thanks for the question, Randy. We derived the number much in the same way as we derived the $0.12 in the first place, but, obviously we've taken into account developments in the last three months.

We announced the $0.12 dividend back in January, since then, as you know, we've agreed to acquire seven 6,000 TEU vessels four of which have been delivered and are earning revenue as we speak, little earlier than we were expecting, and obviously not included in the $0.12.

We've refinanced bunch of debts as Tassos referred to, which has reduced our debt service significantly on an annual basis. The charter market continues to improve significantly and we've been able to add contract cover not only at higher rates, but crucially in the context of sustainable cash flows for longer durations.

And we continue to see fundamentally supportive market on the supply demand side as we've talked through in our prepared remarks, decent demand growth limited supply growth, if I need a total, as I was got it.

Our crunching the numbers led us to reassess that $0.25 was a sustainable dividend and in the light of how we've approached, I think the dividend, we should return that capital to investors.

It is worth noting that we retain substantial investment capacity, so please nobody think that, we've given up on growth and therefore we're returning capital to investors, we see plenty of growth opportunities there as well. And we have capital to execute upon them.

Yes we do see this as a fixed dividend, it's not a special dividend, it's not a one-off, we expect it to be recurring on a quarterly basis and we'll keep it under review as the business develops, as hopefully we're able to add additional vessels on an accretive basis to the GSL fleet, we can look at increasing the dividend if the indications are – that's the right thing to do.

I think I've covered everything, if not, then….

Randy Giveans

No, that was good. I guess you segued into my next question. Obviously, following this pretty busy months on the financing side, the capital raising coupled with the very strong market, you mentioned GSL is still in very strong shape financially, probably at its strongest than it's ever been, clearly, this has shown with the dividend increase.

So I guess, how do you use that balancing from here? Is it further acquisitions? Is it more kind of de-levering paying down expensive debt? And then is there a baseline, cash balance or leverage ratio that you're targeting?.

Tassos Psaropoulos

Well, Randy, if I may say something on that. We like always to crawl before – we walk then to walk before we run, we are very risk averse as a management team. And we stress test continuously our company with the models that take the worst of the worst cases to be sleeping at night.

So yes, the intention is to grow and we are working on various opportunities to grow the company, but at the same time the leverage. We do not intend to increase our leverage, we intend to reduce our leverage going forward more and more.

And at the same time grow and build a very strong company, because strong companies are company that can be powerful in all market conditions and not just in a great market and then when the market changes, you feel that change. We are making our balance sheet very strong. we are de-leveraging and we're growing very selectively and carefully.

And with what we said to the investors on our various road shows that you've been part of in most, is we want to do deals that are immediately accretive to our balance sheet and that will prove now by increasing the dividends to more than doubling the dividend, which shows that the deals we're doing are bringing the money straight to the investors..

Randy Giveans

Got it. Make sense. And then lastly, real quick on the Slide six, you have the charters that are coming available, I think you said seven ships coming due by the end of the year.

I guess, how do you kind of maximize return there, in terms of rate versus duration? Is there a relatively larger discount for two year or three year charter? Or are you looking to kind of maximize the one year value on those? Or on the other side of the equation, do you sell those older ships once the current charter expires? What are your thoughts on those options?.

Tom Lister

Generally speaking, you make always as a rule of thumb, you always make a lot more money in containers by retaining the asset, rather than selling the asset. You make more money with the cash flows, you can look in then selling the asset. Now the intention is to grow this – to charter the ships as long as possible, as high rate as possible.

Now in today's market, the norm for the sizes up to let's call it, I don't know 2,500 is I would say two to three years, maybe even longer, but two to three years is the normal thing. So there is no discount for two to three years, this is the market.

If you would be looking in extend of further than three years, then you might have a 10%, 20% discount. But having assets that are middle-aged or older in these smaller categories that we have open now, we feel that we want to get the maximum out of these ships by chartering them as long as we can at today's rates.

So that's the stripe as on this smaller segments, let's call it. Middle-sized segments is definitely long, this is three to five years, easy. And on the large ships, it's at least five years of the norm.

So we intend to at least fix our ships for smaller ships at the minimum of three years, mid-sized ships at the minimum three years and larger ships at the minimum of three to five years.

So we intend to keep on doing what we've been doing successfully, looking more and more cash flows for building up liquidity in the company, making the common stronger, reducing debt and growing, as well of course as giving the dividends to shareholders, like we have done..

Randy Giveans

Sure. Got it. Make sense. Whatever you're doing is working. So keep it up. Thanks..

Tom Lister

Thank you..

Operator

Our next question comes from Frode Morkedal with Clarksons Securities..

Frode Morkedal

Yes. Thank you. George, you mentioned slower speed to meet the IMO carbon regulations coming due in 2023.

So I'm curious if you could try to quantify I think that maybe if you look at your own fleet what roughly portion or that fleet need to slow down the speed to be a compliant? And – or if you have like for the whole world fleet, of course, that would be better..

George Youroukos

Yes. Thank you. I will just say something that is interesting. Before 2019 – up to 2019 inclusive, the speed of the ships going from let's say the far East to West, whether it's Europe or United States, it was about 18 knots and the way back it was 16 knots, the return voyage. So the average was 17, so ships were trading with an average of 17.

Today, this has gone 21 knots towards from far East towards the West, and returning at 20 or 19, so call it 20 knots average. So this is 3 knots higher average than used to be.

So that's an important point to remember, and that has happened because there is not enough ships out there and the line of companies in order to compensate, they are increasing the speed of the ships.

Now come – January 2023, I would say more than 80%, Tom, can – knows this in more detail the numbers more than 80% of the fleet will have to slow down from today's speeds of 20 knots to, I would say probably 19 to 18, so a couple of knots lower speeds. That is also applying for GSL’s 80% of rough limit.

We have in our 50 ships out of which nine are the new technology, those ships do not have to slow down to meet the excite, the rest of the fleet has to slow down. And that's the proportion of the world fleet of modern ships, new design ships. To classic, I would say probably 85% is classic, 15% is the new design.

So 85% of the fleet will have to slow down by a couple of knots, which means roughly a reduction in the fleet capacity as of today of 5% – sorry 6% to 10% reduction, so shrinking the fleet by 6% to 10%. And Tom, if you want to – yes..

Tom Lister

Sure. Just to add to that further. As George says, Eco ships are the latest generation of containerships is less likely – materially, less likely to be affected by EEXI than non-Eco ships. And I think it's worth emphasizing, but if you look at the mid-sized and smaller ships so the segments that we're participating in and you look at the peer group.

So just the global peer group of ships within those segments up to say, 7,500 TEU, comparatively few so I would say, certainly under 20% of the ships in those mid-sized and smaller segments are Eco. So that means that the mid-sized and smaller segments are likely to be disproportionately affected by the implementation of EEXI.

In other words, mid-sized and smaller ships are more likely to have to slow down and more likely to have to slow down further than the larger segments, which is of course great news in terms of the sort of supply tension within those mid-sized and smaller segments..

Frode Morkedal

That's some great numbers you gave there. And if you compare that to the expected fleet growth we should be looking at negative fleet growth, right..

Tom Lister

I mean, that's the conclusion..

Ian Webber

Yes. That's how we see it..

Frode Morkedal

Which is great, and you mentioned fantastic market and I'm sure you get that question a lot, but what do you say to people who ask for what are going to turn this market down again? So what should investors look at in order to try to let’s say, be ahead of the curve, so to speak..

Tom Lister

Sorry, go for it, George..

George Youroukos

Tom, please..

Tom Lister

Well, I was going to just give a very hedging answer. I find it very difficult when looking at the supply side of the equation. So the mid-sized and smaller vessels, so we envisage a set of circumstances.

But what really derail the market for us, now I know I'm sort of frantically touching wood and praying not to jinx things by saying that, but I think from a pure supply side picture perspective, particularly if you link it up to the de-carbonization and EEXI dynamics that we've talked about earlier.

I find it quite difficult to envisage a demand side shock, strong enough to derail us. I mean, we've just seen in 2020, the impact of a global pandemic, a once in a century, we hope event and we've seen container shipping come through it in very, very positive terms.

So I think that's a helpful reference point, but George, maybe you have something to add or you have a different view..

George Youroukos

Well, I mean, the containers shipping is linked to the global economy. If – the only thing that I would be worried is if the global economy would dive materially from where it is today is something that I don't think that the consensus is expecting otherwise. And I say materially meaning very materially that I don't think is in anybody's mind.

Now, what is interesting is that in containers every single year for the last 40 years, the previous year to the next year, the cargos are growing so that we never had a negative growth apart from two occasions. One occasion was in the meltdown of the Lehman in 2009 and the pandemic of COVID.

So these are such unique situations, and these are the only two times in the history of a container shipping that we had not a growth a year, a year of cargo. So the question is why that container shipping has been cyclical. The only reason is supply, people were over-ordering.

So as long as this is kept in check, I would say what Tom says, I'm sleeping peacefully at night and I'm not worried. And keeping my fingers of course, crossed not to jinx it, but even if it were to jinx it, we would only jinx it 25 onwards because there are no slots available to build ships earlier.

I mean, the slots of 24 are finishing rapidly, because there's a lot of other types of ships being built, not just containers, as you can imagine. Dry bulk is also on the app, people are building there. There's a lot more people that build, there's a lot – it's a bigger environment, not a five minute in the slack hours.

Time goes as well and so on and so forth..

Frode Morkedal

That's great.

Just the final question for me is, assuming when you talked about growth opportunities, you could also look at buying on stock?.

George Youroukos

That is also a possibility..

Ian Webber

Yes. [Indiscernible] return to capital effectively, buying stock, paying dividends but one of the reasons we think our stock has been held back in recent times is because of the small free float. And we've worked very hard to increase the free float with primary and secondary offerings.

We've also worked very hard as you know, to increase sell-side coverage successfully and implementing, announcing and then paying the dividend is the third plank in supporting the stock price as well as just running the business effectively and growing the fleet. We keep all of our options under review.

And then nothing's rolled out and nothing's rolled in, but for the moment, we look to deploy capital by way of dividends, by way of accretive growth and by way of definitely multi-leasing..

Frode Morkedal

Thank you very much..

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Liam Burke with B. Riley..

Liam Burke

Yes. Thank you. George, you mentioned growth opportunities on the acquisition front.

Are you seeing more competitive competition on the pricing front? The availability of vessels is tight and how is that continuing to affect – where you see opportunities to add assets?.

George Youroukos

Yes, Liam, there obviously prices have gone up and they continuously go up. But fortunately, we are always placed to do deals that are off-market and special deals. They have an angle – different angle than a normal standard market deal.

And we do have a pipeline of such transactions and we pulled a rabbit out of the hat every now and then as you have seen. And that's what we intend to do. We do not intend to get into dog fights with buying the single ship here and single ship there at high prices. We don't do that. We do more strategic transactions..

Liam Burke

Perfect.

And you mentioned regulation, the slow speeding as an alternative, do you see increased regulation accelerating scrap rates and further benefiting the capacity side of the equation?.

George Youroukos

That's a Tom question..

Liam Burke

Tom, fire away..

Tom Lister

Sure. Hi, Liam. I would love to say, yes, to the scrapping question, but I think in an environment where capacity is already extremely tight, the fleet is already fully employed and where the supply side growth from a structural perspective is very limited.

I think it's highly unlikely that we see much in the way of scrapping a tool, Liam, in the near-term. Maybe in the out years by which I mean 2024, 2025 and beyond, the older ships that are being kept out of the scrap yards now because they're earning so much money, will start to be recycled out. But I think near-term, it's unlikely.

They're just making too much money..

Liam Burke

Great. Thank you very much, George, Tom..

Tom Lister

Thanks Liam..

Operator

That concludes today's question-and-answer session. I'd like to turn the call back to Ian Webber for closing remarks..

Ian Webber

Thanks for joining us, listening to our remarks and asking your questions. We look forward to giving you a further update on our GSL and the markets on our second quarter earnings call, which will be early August. Thank you..

George Youroukos

Thank you..

Tom Lister

Thanks everyone..

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