Roger Sachs - Vice President - Investor Relations N.V. Tyagarajan - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director Edward J. Fitzpatrick - Senior Vice President & Chief Financial Officer.
Ashwin Shirvaikar - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc. (Broker) Joseph Foresi - Cantor Fitzgerald Securities George K. F. Tong - Piper Jaffray & Co (Broker) David J. Koning - Robert W. Baird & Co., Inc. (Broker) Jason Alan Kupferberg - Jefferies LLC Rick M. Eskelsen - Wells Fargo Securities LLC Anil Kumar Doradla - William Blair & Co.
LLC Keith Frances Bachman - BMO Capital Markets (United States) Bryan C. Keane - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc. S.K. Prasad Borra - Goldman Sachs International.
Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Fourth Quarter and Full-Year 2015 Genpact Ltd. Earnings Conference Call. My name is Michelle, and I will be your conference moderator for today. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. We will conduct a question-and-answer session towards the end of this conference.
We will expect the call to conclude in an hour. As a reminder, this call is being recorded for replay purposes. I would like to turn the conference over to Mr. Roger Sachs, Head of Investor Relations at Genpact. Sir, please proceed..
Tiger will provide a high level overview of our results as well as update you on some of our strategic initiatives; Ed will then discuss our financial performance in greater detail and provide our outlook for 2016; Tiger will then come back with some closing comments, and then we will take your questions.
As Michelle just mentioned, we expect the call to last about an hour. Some of the matters we will discuss in today's call are forward-looking. These forward-looking statements involve a number of risks, uncertainties, and other factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those in such forward-looking statements.
Such risks and uncertainties are set forth in our press release. In addition, during our call today, we will refer to certain non-GAAP financial measures, which we believe, provide additional information for investors and better reflect the way of the business.
You can find a reconciliation of these measures to GAAP in our earnings release in the IR section of our website. And with that, let me turn the call over to Tiger..
first, the total value of contracts signed with new logo clients during a calendar year; second, any incremental value from new work provided to an existing client beyond the original scope of our engagement. So bookings to us only represents new work won, not renewals of existing business.
In 2015, I'm thrilled we achieved a very healthy level of bookings of approximately $2.59 billion, up 20% year-over-year, from $2.16 billion in 2014. We saw more deals filling our pipeline than we have seen in the past and our sharply differentiated offerings helped us win a number of them.
Our investments in front-end sales and various capabilities I talked about have significantly improved our ability to compete in the large deal arena, which resulted in the value of bookings from large deals increasing more than 6 times from the level we saw just two years ago.
During 2015, large deals contributed a higher proportion of total bookings than during 2014, further reinforcing how important transformation is becoming for our clients and that our solutions are resonating in the marketplace.
Given conversion to revenue can vary significantly from year to year, depending on the nature of services, size of contract, contract terms, ramp period and deal structure. We note that bookings provides only a directional indicator of potential future top line growth.
Our pipeline continues to be healthy across our targeted industry verticals, service lines and geographies. Our win rates improved over the previous year, driven by bundled solutions with digital and analytics and deep domain expertise.
Sales productivity also continues to improve as we enhance the tools, methods and capabilities of our sales and client-facing teams and as our recent hires become more seasoned with Genpact. As we move into 2016, we will continue our focus of helping clients transform themselves in order to better compete in their respective markets.
More than ever, our clients are looking for speed of change and need flexible agile business models to deal with frequent rapid changes in their operating environments. Clients also need predictive, real-time decision support based on data analytics that is tailored to their specific industry domain and process.
Genpact's fast-growing consulting and reengineering practice along with our data scientists and chief science officers of our analytics business are at the forefront of a number of these complex implementations, backed by our unique Lean Digital approach.
These transformational engagements that drive disruptive change for our clients and bring together our consulting, reengineering, data science and analytics practices with new digital tools and platforms generated approximately 17% of our revenues in 2015 and represent one of the fastest-growing areas of our business.
Let me now provide a quick update on GE. As we all know, during the first quarter of last year, GE announced a plan to divest a significant portion of its GE Capital businesses. Since their announcement, GE has acted swiftly and to-date has announced deals to sell more than 50% of GE Capital's assets.
This is about a year ahead of their original expeditions. As I discussed in prior calls, we are actively engaged in re-contracting with the new buyers for a substantial portion of the work we do for these businesses, most of which is critical to run daily operations.
The rapid pacing of their planned divestitures will cause a portion of the work we do for GE Capital Corporate to be phased out in early 2016 as opposed to being wound down over a longer period of time.
Our current engagements in finance and accounting, risk, regulated reporting and analytics that assist GE Capital Corporate with managing its consolidation of its various business portfolios will no longer be needed as GE Capital concludes their sales process during the year.
Therefore, the impact from GE's restructuring is expected to result in our GE revenue declining 8% to 10% during 2016. As we move beyond GE's transition period, we believe we will enter 2017 in a stronger position to capture greater growth opportunities with GE as well as the newly diversified businesses.
First, the reconstituted GE is expected to have greater growth opportunities that we can potentially capitalize on, including any acquisitions that GE does and their move into the Internet of Things. Second, we believe we are in a great position to secure new contracts with the buyers of the divested businesses.
And third, GE is expected to contribute a smaller percentage of our total revenue going forward. Finally, as I reflect back on our accomplishments during 2015, I firmly believe Genpact's future is brighter than ever.
We participate in a highly underpenetrated growing market and the world is rapidly changing in a manner that is motivating companies increasingly to turn to partners like Genpact to lead them through transformational disruptive journeys.
Additionally, the strength of our business model sets us up for long-term success in both challenging as well as stronger economic climates. We have a growing top line primarily made up of sticky long-term global relationships, providing annuity-like revenue streams.
Second, the inherent operating leverage in our business represents opportunities to drive long-term margin expansion. And third, the use of our cash flows and balance sheet for potential strategic acquisitions as well as opportunistic share repurchases should have an attractive multiplier impact on future EPS growth, driving shareholder value.
With that, let me turn the call over to Ed for a more detailed review of our fourth quarter and full-year 2015 results..
Thank you, Tiger, and good afternoon, everyone. Today, I'll review our fourth quarter and 2015 full-year results followed by key balance sheet and cash flow highlights, and finally, I'll provide you with our financial outlook for 2016.
We closed the fourth quarter with total revenues of $647 million, an increase of 7% year-over-year or approximately 10% on a constant currency basis. Business Process Outsourcing, which represents approximately 78% of total revenues, increased 9% year-over-year or approximately 11% on a constant currency basis.
IT Services revenues increased 4% year-over-year or approximately 5% on a constant currency basis. Revenue from Global Clients, which represented approximately 82% of total revenues, increased 10% year-over-year or approximately 13% on a constant currency basis.
Within Global Clients, our core BPO revenues were up 11% year-over-year or approximately 14% on a constant currency basis, while IT Services revenue increased 5%, or approximately 7% on a constant currency basis. GE revenues declined 1% year-over-year.
Adjusted income from operations for the quarter totaled $96 million, up 17% year-over-year, with the corresponding margin of 14.8%, up from 13.6% during the fourth quarter of 2014.
A 120-basis-point year-over-year improvement to our adjusted operating margin was primarily driven by G&A efficiencies, operating leverage and the benefit of foreign exchange. Gross margin for the quarter was 39.1%, compared to 40.3% last year, and in line with the levels we have seen throughout 2015.
We're very pleased with the stable gross margin levels that the business has been generating. SG&A expense, as a percentage of revenues, declined by 220 basis points during the fourth quarter of 2014.
G&A expense declined by approximately 160 basis points year-over-year due to operating efficiencies, leverage and the favorable impact from foreign exchange.
Sales and marketing expense, as a percentage of revenue, declined to 6.9% compared to 7.6% during the same period last year as investments made during the fourth quarter of 2014 were absorbed by higher revenues during 2015.
Adjusted EPS for the quarter was up 32% year-over-year, $0.34 per share, compared to $0.26 per share, primarily driven by higher operating income of $0.05, lower net interest of $0.02 and net share repurchase activity of $0.01. I'll now turn to our full-year 2015 results.
Our 2015 revenues were $2.46 billion, an increase of 8% year-over-year or 10% on a constant currency basis. The adverse FX impact for the full-year was approximately $52 million, driven by the euro, yen, and Australian dollar.
Business Process Outsourcing, which represents approximately 79% of total revenue, increased 11% year-over-year or approximately 14% on a constant currency basis. IT Services revenues declined 3% year-over-year or approximately 1% on a constant currency basis.
Revenue from Global Clients, which represented approximately 81% of total revenue, increased 10% year-over-year or approximately 13% on a constant currency basis, in line with what we estimated at the beginning of last year.
Excluding the impact of the Pharmalink acquisition, Global Client growth on a constant currency basis was approximately 12.5%, again, in line with what we estimated at the beginning of last year.
Within Global Clients, our core BPO revenue increased 14% year-over-year or approximately 17% on a constant currency basis, while IT Services revenue declined 2% or was flat on a constant currency basis. GE revenues declined 1%.
Adjusted income from operations totaled $377 million, up 10% year-over-year, with the corresponding margin of 15.3%, up from 15.1% in 2014. The 20-basis-point increase was primarily due to G&A operating leverage and the benefits of foreign exchange offsetting capability investment activity during the year.
Our full-year gross margin for the year was stable at 39.3% compared to 39.5% in 2014. Sales and marketing expense, as a percentage of revenue, was 6.9%, compared to 6.6% during 2014.
Total G&A expense declined by approximately 120 basis points year-over-year due to G&A, operating efficiencies and the benefits of foreign exchange offsetting our investments in domain expertise, digital and analytics capabilities during the year.
Adjusted EPS for the year was up 22% year-over-year to $1.26 per share, compared to $1.03 per share, primarily driven by higher operating income of $0.11, gains from foreign currency remeasurement versus a loss in the previous year of $0.06, net share repurchase activity of $0.03 and lower tax expense of $0.02.
During the fourth quarter, we repurchased approximately 2.8 million shares at a weighted average price of $24.62, totaling $68 million. For the full-year 2015, we repurchased approximately 9.9 million shares, totaling $227 million at the weighted average price of $23 per share.
Last week we completed $250 million of share repurchases under the program we announced in February 2015. This afternoon, we announced the board has authorized us to repurchase an additional $250 million.
Our effective tax rate for the year was 20.5%, down from 23% in 2014, due to better geographical mix of income and lower discrete charges compared to 2014. Turning to our balance sheet, our cash and liquid assets totaled approximately $451 million compared to $468 million at the end of the third quarter of 2015.
With undrawn debt capacity of $327 million and existing cash balances, we continue to have ample flexibility to pursue growth opportunities.
Turning to operating cash flows, we generated $327 million of cash from operations in 2015, up from $272 million last year, primarily due to increased operating earnings, lower tax-related payments and lower net cash outflows related to large contract activity that fluctuates from year to year.
Capital expenditures, as a percentage of revenue, were 2.8% in 2015. Finally, our outlook for 2016. We expect total revenues to be between $2.62 billion and $2.66 billion, which assumes an adverse foreign exchange impact of approximately $42 million or 170 basis points at today's exchange rates.
We expect global client revenue growth to be in the range of 10.5% to 12%, or approximately 12.5% to 14% on a constant currency basis. This global client constant currency growth compares to approximately 12.5%, excluding the Pharmalink acquisition in 2015.
As Tiger mentioned earlier, as a result of GE's planned divestiture of much of its GE Capital business, we expect our GE revenue to be down 8% to 10%.
With continuing G&A operating leverage offsetting the investments in digital capabilities, analytics and domain expertise, we expect our adjusted operating margin to improve to approximately 15.5% in 2016.
We expect our adjusted operating margin to be higher in the second half of the year relative to the first, as we absorb the higher investment activity from the latter part of 2015 into our base during the first half of the year. Our 2016 effective tax rate is expected to be between 20% and 21%, in line with our full-year 2015 rate.
Given the outlook I just provided, we expect adjusted earnings per share to be between $1.40 and $1.42. This assumes weighted average shares outstanding of approximately $215.5 million, and no impact related to foreign exchange gains or losses on balance sheet items. Cash flow from operations is expected to grow approximately 6% to 8% in 2016.
Lastly, capital expenditures as a percentage of revenues are expected to be approximately 3%. We continue to expect free cash flow to net income ratio to be approximately 1:1 on average over time. With that, I'll hand it over to Tiger for his closing comments..
Thanks, Ed. In closing, 2015 was a very exciting year for us as we drove improved growth with the investments we made to expand our sales force and build our domain, digital and analytical capabilities. We significantly improved our coverage and client engagement, particularly at the C-suite level with the experienced hires we have added to our team.
In addition, the investments we made in domain, digital and analytics capabilities enhanced our ability to integrate new advanced digital technologies into bundled solutions that help redesign client's end-to-end operations as part of large transformational journeys.
As we enter 2016, we feel very good about our opportunities ahead as we regain top line momentum in our core global client BPO business that delivered a robust 17% growth during 2015 on a constant currency basis. Underlying our ability to grow our business are the very strong relationships we have developed with our clients throughout the years.
We greatly value their loyalty and trust, and we are defined by the way our clients think about us. This is why we believe that net promoter score is a great way to measure the strength of our relationships as it measures our performance as an organization through our clients' eyes.
Results from our most recent survey continue to track very well against our own historically high ratings, a testament to the dedication and hard work of Genpact's global team, serving our clients' needs and more importantly, the thought leadership we provide through design thinking and our lean digital approach to help transform their businesses.
Before signing off, my team and I look forward to seeing all of you at our 2016 Investor Day on March 10 in New York City. We will provide further details on the execution of our strategy, the way our thinking, approach and solutions are resonating with our clients. With that, I'd like to open our call for questions and answers..
Operator, can you please give the instruction?.
Thank you. Our first question comes from the line of Ashwin Shirvaikar with Citibank. Your line is open. Please go ahead..
Thank you. Hi, guys. Congratulations on the good results..
Thanks, Ashwin..
I guess, the question I have is, your bookings up the way they are, which suggests that global client revenue growth should accelerate from the 13% constant currency that you delivered. But your outlook does not suggest that it will conclusively accelerate.
So, can you help me understand pace conversion of bookings into revenues, do those bookings now have a different makeup than they did same time last year?.
Ashwin, no. First of all, thanks for the compliments. No, they don't have any materially different makeup, but it is a complex equation to look at trying to convert bookings to revenue.
Short cycle versus long cycle, the tenor and term of the contract, the ramp on that contract, whether it includes re-badge, doesn't include re-badge, and the timing of those bookings, beginning of the year, middle of the year, end of the year.
The number of factors that actually go into the conversion of bookings to revenue in a very short timeframe, therefore means that it's a directional indicator for predicting future performance, it is not a direct formulaic indicator of the future.
The other thing I would note is, we have GE Capital revenue that is declining, and then we have productivity that we've always driven to our clients that's been one of the significant differentiators in the way we approach our client relationships.
And that productivity is now turbocharged further with digital tools and analytical tools and disruptive technologies, which we embrace and take to our clients. So by definition, we would have bookings that then convert to revenue and then we drive productivity as well, and that's the way that whole math works.
The current conversion of booking is the way it currently translates into the revenue guidance for 2016..
So I would add as well, and if you break it down, you see where the decline in GE is happening, but on a global client side, as we talked about more organically the global client growth in 2015 being 12.5%, we're guiding that to 12.5% to 14%. So, we are expecting some uplift there.
I'd also say that as you heard Tiger talk about in the prepared remarks, we're going through and we're focusing on our client portfolio, but we think we can have the greatest growth. Those at a non-strategic level are reducing, and those that are more strategic and larger types of deals are increasing. So, as a result of that, more focus portfolio.
We've actually wound up calling certain accounts that were nonstrategic and/or not as profitable as we want in our portfolio. And as a result, that probably affected the overall growth and even global client growth by close to 100 basis points.
So, part of it was very intentional, still happy with the progress that we're making and pleased with the direction that the firm is headed..
So, the 200-basis-point calling impact is sort of a forward-looking impact, I guess. And the second part of that question would be, based on the timing comment, Tiger, that you had, can you talk maybe about the – I know you don't guide on a quarterly basis.
But can you talk about the cadence of revenue growth expectations as we progress through the year?.
Let me just first say it, on the calling, it was closer to 100 basis points. I want to make sure you heard me correctly there. And then we didn't get the second part of your question.
Can you repeat...?.
So the cadence of revenue through the year....
Sure. Sure. So, as we look at that, I mean, we've gone through the planning cycle. As you know, we don't guide to quarters. We did do our plan. Obviously that was done by quarter. We look at Q1 a little bit more closely.
As we've looked at it, what I would tell you is, somewhat the inverse of what we talked to you about last year, the growth in 2016 will be impacted by the growth that we had in 2015 almost inversely so. And the same thing happened in 2015 where we said it's going to be the inverse of growth you saw in 2014.
So the best guide I would give you in terms of the way revenues should flow through in the quarter sequentially at least, look at 2014 that will be your best guide. But for sure, first half of the year growth in 2016 will be lower than the second half, the average will be lower Q1 and Q2, the average should be a bit higher in Q3 and Q4..
And Ashwin, again, just not to repeat ourselves, we should not be thinking about this business, which is a long cycle business on a quarter-by-quarter basis. Having said that, I think, Ed, provided color on how we would think about 2016, the full quarters..
Yeah. Absolutely. Understood. Thank you, guys..
Thank you, Ashwin..
Thank you, Ashwin..
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Joseph Foresi with Cantor Fitzgerald. Your line is open. Please go ahead..
Hi. So, we all knew that probably something would happen with GE. I guess, a couple questions around that. I guess, we were expecting maybe a little bit more of a moderation.
What exactly took place with that particular piece of GE business, and how are you going to handle the resourcing of it? Are you going to put people on new projects? Was that business taken in-house. Just a little more color around that particular GE business would be helpful..
So, Joe, just to explain, GE has accelerated its planned sale by about a year, and I think it's there in GE's earnings call itself sometime in January by about a year.
So, as a result, the expectation we had of the impact on some of the work that GE Capital needs to do that no longer is needed, and therefore it's not moving to work anywhere, it's just not needed at all.
And the typical work would be consolidation of the financials of 25 different businesses into GE Capital, the regulatory and risk reporting that GE Capital as a SIFI regulated entity would have to do. All of that is not needed anymore.
So that one would have expected that to wind down over a couple of years, it's all going away in a much more accelerated fashion in 2016 itself. That is the most significant impact.
All the other businesses that are being sold and have been announced so far, every one of them we are with the buyers and in discussions on signing a new contract with the buyer. In fact, I'm happy to report that I believe we just signed one of them today, but that's just an example.
And there are many of them that have been announced, and they will be executed for closure by GE over the next six months to nine months..
Got it. Okay. And so, I guess, obviously, I understand the impact to the revenue side. Is it fair to say that, because I think people were expecting some margin expansion as we got some SG&A leverage that GE was coming in at a higher margin, and that's also keeping the margins in check? Maybe, you could just give us a little color on the margin side..
No. I wouldn't assume that, Joe, at all. For many years now, we've talked about the way our margin profile typically works on a client relationship.
And we've said that as the relationship expands, as we get into higher value-added work, as we get into more complex analytical consulting transformational type services, and now with digital and disruptive tools, that's how margin expansion happens. And that is irrespective of whether it's one client or the other.
It's more dependent on the type of services. And the longer we spend time with a client, the more that expansion happens. So by definition, therefore, clients such as GE, but many other clients' one would do many services with. So, the change that we are seeing in the portfolio mix between GE and global clients has really not much to do with margin.
Margin is really a balance that very deliberately we are striking as a business between that margin and the investments that we think is the right investments to do to continue to grow the business in an underpenetrated underserved huge opportunity to drive transformation business. So that balance is something that we will continue to strike.
As we continue to find both in terms of the front-end domain and client-facing teams as well as the capability build that we are doing in digital analytics and consulting, the more we find those opportunities, the more we will make sure that we continue to do those investments..
And I'd say at the end of the day, margin that we talked about the 15.5% growing from where we ended 15.3%, 2015, was very intentional based upon the investments we wanted to make in the business to continue to grow in subject matter experts. So, that is continuing in 2016 as we said it would..
And just to round it off, Joe, our objective here clearly is to drive global client growth in a significant way, and obviously, given the currency impact on a constant currency basis. And margin is going up from 15.3% to around 15.5%. So, we feel really good about that journey..
Okay. And then just to close out the margin discussion, and the last question for me. Should we expect future margin expansion? It seems like the business mix has maybe changed a little bit, the pipeline conversion looks a little bit different because you're working on different projects.
I'm wondering how that translates on the margin side over the long-term..
I wouldn't say that the mix of business is affecting. It's the pace of any improvement that we're going to show over time is really going to be based upon where we think we have the investments, where we think we need to place investments and capability to continue to grow the way that we're growing and continue to expand the top line.
That's the key..
And capture the opportunities, and be the right partner for a lot of our clients, who, let's face it, in the world of today, are actually finding many opportunities to disrupt their industry.
And I think it's a great opportunity for us to partner with such people in pretty significant disruptive transformation journeys that a number of them are undertaking across a variety of industries..
Okay. Thank you..
Gross margin is relatively stable, Joe, I guess, is what I'd tell you..
Yeah..
Got it. Okay. Thanks..
Thank you. And our next....
Thanks, Joe..
Sorry. And our next question comes from the line of George Tong with Piper Jaffray. Your line is open. Please go ahead..
Hi. Thanks. Good afternoon. I wanted to get some additional context behind the 20% bookings growth you saw in 2015.
Can you elaborate on which sectors you're seeing lead the growth and how the pipeline is shaping up for 2016 growth in terms of order flows?.
Yeah, George, great question. So I'll start by first talking about bookings in 2015. Very nicely spread across our chosen verticals; that's the first statement I would make.
If you see our revenue growth for 2015, I would say, that a lot of our bookings growth in 2015 is very closely reflected in our revenue growth across the verticals, banking, insurance, CPG, life sciences, high tech; all of those are the ones that participated in the booking growth as well. As we go into 2016, pipeline, nicely spread.
The big deals that we announced in 2015, nine of them very nicely spread across the same verticals. So there is not much of a concentration either of pipeline or of big deals or of bookings..
Got it. That's helpful.
And for GE, can you elaborate on opportunities for new revenue streams from business development and wider scoping of projects that could help offset the GE Capital impact?.
George, that will be a longer-term journey as GE itself transforms itself and completes its transformation through the divestiture of its GE Capital – part of the GE Capital portfolio – a significant part of the GE Capital portfolio, as well as the announced acquisition and integration of Alstom as an example.
And then, if GE participates in more growth, then we would be able to participate in that growth. And, of course, we are one of their partners in the Internet of Things, in the Predix platform that GE has announced in the industrial world. And we are very glad to be there.
And the primary reason we are there is because of our domain expertise around a number of the industrial businesses. So you put all that together, I think, we are extremely well-positioned as GE transforms itself to continue to be a great partner for GE in what could be a growth story for GE itself..
Got it. Thank you..
Thanks, George..
Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Dave Koning with Baird. Your line is open. Please go ahead..
Yeah. Hey, guys. Great job..
Thank you. Thank you..
Yeah, and I guess, first of all, just, I guess, a couple of things on the GE impacts.
One is, does it affect either of the sub-segments more IT or BPO? Is one going to be down quite a bit more than the other?.
No. So let me first talk a little bit about the fourth quarter. Fourth quarter had an interesting dimension to it, maybe actually had some extra project work, as I said. Some on IT, some on regulatory risk, et cetera. So that was the benefit we had in fourth quarter of 2015. But by definition, those are short-term projects.
And as GE Capital continues its divestiture – or GE continues its divestiture, those projects are going away. The consolidation work in Corporate of GE Capital has a significant element of analytical and risk services as you would expect. And, of course, it has a clear element around finance and accounting consolidation. So I would call those out.
IT, I would not call out as a significantly....
Not as pronounced, yeah..
...yeah, pronounced piece. That is different from regular portfolio. The one that is different is analytics in the risk space. And that you would expect, as GE has already said, that it probably will not have to be part of Sify sometime in 2016..
Okay. And then, the other part of the two. I know it's going away quickly. When does it start? I guess, the reason I'm asking is just are we going to have residual impact into Q1 of 2017 or Q2 of 2017? Just wondering the timing of when we should have that big decline..
No, we will see the decline already starting, I mean, on particularly, the project work, et cetera. By definition, what's going to happen, Dave, is that the project work will disappear faster. The BPO work will have a ramp-down as you would expect. I mean, that's how ramp-ups and ramp-down work. That will have a residual impact as you get into 2017.
That's a given. To the extent that there is a BPO element here clearly and an analytic element, which is actually all annuity streams, those will have a residual impact as it goes into 2017. But in terms of impact, it's now because the divestiture is now..
Okay.
And then, I guess, finally, just some of the Indian regulatory stuff around bonus expenses, did that impact you guys by – maybe you could just talk about how many basis point maybe that impacted you in Q4? And then, how you're thinking about that in the future?.
No, Dave, it wasn't material for us. We believe we're compliant. We think there's nuances in the laws that the teams are going through, but at the end of the day, we are compliant. It really wasn't an impact for us, and don't expect it to be going forward..
And the retrospective aspect of it is currently being debated in the courts in any case. So no. The answer is no. Nothing..
Okay. Well, great job. Thank you..
Thank you, Dave..
Thanks, Dave..
Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Jason Kupferberg with Jefferies. Your line is open. Please go ahead..
Thanks. Good evening, guys. So just wanted to start with a question on book-to-bill, if you will, with the disclosures you're giving us we can see that it improved in 2015 versus 2014. So it's obviously good to see.
I'm just wondering, what if anything we should read into that as it relates to visibility on the 2016 guidance?.
I missed the first part..
No, so the 20% bookings growth from 2015 – in 2015 versus....
Well, I'm looking – I'm sorry....
That changed the visibility for 2016. Our visibility – the short answer, Jason, is that our visibility for our revenue in 2016 is very similar to the visibility we had at the beginning of 2015 for 2015 revenue..
Yeah. That's fair. If that answers your question – if that doesn't answer your question, let me know – or let us know..
Yeah. No, it does. I was just calling out the book-to-bill metric that we're able to calculate in the fact that that improved in 2015 versus 2014. So I was thinking that that is potentially an enhancement to visibility, not necessarily just on 2016, but just beyond that just given the multi-quarter ramp nature of your bookings typically..
No. Right now our visibility is very, very similar. Broadly what it's been for actually many years now..
Yeah. Okay. Okay. And just wanted to drill a little bit more into the broader demand environment on the global client side. It sounds like you guys have a healthy pipeline across verticals. Obviously, we see a lot of negative headlines out of sectors like financial services, some companies struggling.
But as you look at the landscape, whether it's on the BPO side or also in terms of project-based work, are you seeing any change at all in underlying demand patterns or spending patterns?.
No. I'd start by saying that clearly almost all industries are impacted by classic or macro factors, as we speak today. Those typically do tend to be ones where our clients have to change and have to restructure and have to take some action and have to use technology and so on. And all of those are there, therefore, generally beneficial.
And that's one of the reasons why we are seeing buoyancy in pipeline and buoyancy in discussions.
Having said that, I would not say banking, but within banking, particularly investment banks and capital markets type of clients, we all know that environment, and that environment has, therefore, meant that some of the discretionary technology work does get impacted in specifically the investment bank capital markets world..
And I think as we look at our forecast and our look and the range that we've given you for the outlook for 2016, a lot of the volatility that we talk about and the ranges we give you are coming from the short cycle work and that would be one of the big ones within that..
Yeah..
Okay. All right. That's good color. Thank you, guys..
Thanks, Jason..
Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Edward Caso with Wells Fargo. Your line is open. Please go ahead..
Hi. Good evening. It's actually Rick Eskelsen on for Ed.
Question is just on the renewals, and as you see contracts come up, are there any changes that you're seeing in terms of the contract types? Are clients looking to do more on a managed services or fixed price-type basis? Any sort of changes that you're seeing recently on renewals from your clients?.
So I'll start by saying, Ed – or Rick, that renewal rates are as high as they've always been for us, 90%-plus. Don't see any change in that.
And in terms of the nature of the renewals, I would say the biggest change is the change that we see in new clients, which is let's get digital and let's get analytics, and let's actually really disrupt the way the work is being done. That's an expectation we would have. That's what we did to clients and that's what they would expect of us.
And that, therefore, changes the nature in which those services get delivered. Some more outcome-based pricing for sure, some more gain share on benefits than outcomes for sure. And that's a direction that we are going, that's a direction our clients are going. And we feel all of that is good for everyone..
Then just following up on that, you talked a little bit more about the productivity, and I think, having to give clients a little bit more productivity because of some of this disruptions. Just wondering if you could go into that a little bit more and maybe the impact that that is or isn't having on your revenue model.
I mean, when you go into any given year, are you having a higher spread that you have to give back to clients in terms of productivity? Is that what you're trying to say? Or was it something else? Thank you..
That absolutely is the way it will be. That is the way it should be in our space. If you go back to the history of our type of work, the process side, we use tools like Lean and Six Sigma and so on to drive both productivity as well as better outcomes.
We now have a bigger set of tools that the world has given us; much more disruptive and many more to choose from including a lot of digital tools as well as analytical tools. And our job is to bring all of those to the table, bundle all of them, and therefore, drive even more productivity as well as better outcomes.
The real opportunity here for all our clients and for us is to drive hugely disruptive outcomes. I mean, how do we process a leasing transaction in two hours versus 20 days to give an approval? I mean, that's the disruption that is potentially possible with what's happening in the world..
Is there a way that you could size maybe the difference in productivity giveback now versus in the past?.
No. Given the breadth, and size, and variety, and diversity of the work we do, Rick, it's not possible. Remember, most importantly, apart from everything else I said, it also depends on the clients' propensity and readiness to change. This is not us changing. It's the client also changing.
And each of them have a cadence and an appetite to drive that change. So it is a client-by-client, a service-line-by-service-line, a leader-by-leader discussion. That takes place. Every time one is successful, it obviously means some more can be done in that client and other clients follow..
Thank you very much..
Thanks, Rick..
And our next question comes from the line of Anil Doradla with William Blair. Your line is open. Please go ahead..
Hey, guys. Congrats from mine, too. I think you guys are doing a great job, navigating through this difficult GE stuff. I had a couple questions around GE....
Thank you, Anil..
Welcome. I had a couple questions around GE and then bigger picture question.
So based on whatever commentary in the Q&A around GE, is it fair to say as you sit here and look at 2016, you pretty much have a clear idea and visibility on how it's playing out? I remember you talked about you'll get more clarity towards the end of 2016 because of GE's accelerated plan.
Is it fair to say you have a good idea how this is going to play out? Or you still have some uncertainty there?.
So I'll start, Anil, by saying clearer than before. We know who the bars of so far whatever GE has announced. And that allows us to actually sit with them and start the process of transferring the work and doing all the contractual stuff needed to make that happen.
So, obviously, all of that lends clarity, clearer than before to the extent of GE Capital Corporate and what that means. But to the extent that there is still a portion of work, which is still material, that still has to get executed in terms of divestitures by GE and those will get announced during 2016.
That portion is not clear and that portion still has to play out..
And when you talk about the Global Client growth 12.5% to 14% growth for the year, now let's say, there's a GE spin-off and you win that business from the GE spin-off, do you reallocate that into 12.5% to 14%, or the 12.5% to 14% doesn't have anything to do with the GE spin-offs?.
So, yes. We have rules as to how we do that and we'll recast the year-over-year growth in those based upon when those happen. Right now, there's not a lot that we would assume that moves over into GEC, because of the stage of where this separation is..
In the end, you can safely assume, Anil, that it will be an apples-to-apples comparison..
Yeah..
Very good. And finally, Tiger, big picture question. In my recent India trip what I increasingly found along with the bullish tone of you and your peers, was these new age Internet companies potentially engaging you and your peers. I mean, we're talking about the Ubers of the world, Airbnbs and so forth.
Can you share with us what the level of engagement you have seen with these new age Internet companies and how these will change the composition of you and your peer group over the next three years to five years?.
So there's no question that in specific industries, there are these new age companies that are doing exactly what we just described, disrupting all the others.
To the extent that they also have technology, analytics and a back office to deal with, and to the extent that they are new age, there is a real opportunity to actually build on a clean sheet of paper a partnership where we become their clear partner, or one of our peers becomes a partner.
I'll give you one example, and I think it'll bring it to life. In the peer-to-peer lending space, in the lending club kind of space, there is a real opportunity and we are actually in the middle of a number of them, where those companies are very good at what they do and they want to partner with others, who are very good at what, for example, we do.
And they have hyper-growth themselves. So those are relationships that you establish. And then, as they grow, we grow. We help them grow, because we help them scale. Those are natural relationships.
I think it would depend a lot on domain expertise; it depends a lot on understanding the vertical, which is why where we would partner are those that belong to our verticals and the disruptors of the verticals that we like and we play in..
Great. Thanks a lot, guys..
Thank you, Anil..
Thanks, Anil..
Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Keith Bachman with Bank of Montreal. Your line is open. Please go ahead..
Hi. Thank you. I had two questions. Number one is some of your larger Indian-based peers have raised the specter of pricing pressure, which, I think, is more in the ADM space than, say, the BPO space. But could you guys talk about anything that you're seeing on the pricing front? And then, I have a follow-up..
So in our business, Keith, nothing unusual than what we've seen before. As competitive as it's always been, that's not changed.
But if the value proposition is strong, if the value proposition includes all the things that we talked about, and if the global footprint, which now is becoming more and more important as clients talk about these big transformational deals, the two examples that we talked about both Carlsberg and Mondelēz.
If you don't have a true global footprint that has scale, size and depth in each of those locations globally, you're not in the game. There are small-sized – I mean, they're not small.
For us small segments of our portfolio, we called out the capital markets, the investment bank and stress and strain some of those businesses that are going through, where there will be more than normal pricing pressure..
Okay. My follow-up relates to the global scale. You've given us some parameters on the free cash flow. I'm glad to see that free cash flow is anticipated to grow in 2016.
How should investors be thinking about the allocation of that cash flow particularly as it relates to M&A?.
Yeah. So, Keith, so if you remember when we got together at the Investor Day last year, we talked about our priorities for capital, that priority really has not changed..
Not changing?.
No, it's really not changing. It's top line driving top line growth, and that comes from investing organically to support the business as we grow, and then, attractive M&A that fits into our strategies, the verticals and the service lines that we've selected, right – the ability to integrate, the right cultural fit, the right economic profile for us.
All those are the things we look at. And then, to the extent that those opportunities aren't there, we're going to execute to the share repurchase program. You just heard that the board has authorized an increase to the share repurchase program..
Yeah, yeah..
So that's now in place to ensure that we're allocating capital most effectively as we go throughout the year..
Okay. That's it for me. Thank you, guys..
Thank you, Keith..
Thanks, Keith..
Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Bryan Keane with Deutsche Bank. Your line is open. Please go ahead..
Yeah. Hi.
Just wanted to clarify, on the GE side, now that we know more about what GE Capital's plans are and we see the step-down in revenue in 2016, should we now expect GE to potentially grow positively as we go forward from this?.
So, Bryan, I would say, too early to say that for a couple reasons that we actually already described, which is, GE Capital or GE still has to finish its whole divestiture process. It's not complete. It's got accelerated for sure, but it's not complete.
The second is that there will be impact flowing into 2017 from some of the work that is now declining in 2016. The reality is that if we take a slightly longer-term view, there is no question that when GE undergoes a transformation it's going through.
And if we read all the things that the leadership team at GE is talking about, that it's positioning itself to grow, and by definition, when our clients position themselves for growth, as long as we are doing all the right things and bringing all the right capabilities in, and creating the right thought leadership, we should be able to add real value to GE, and therefore, grow ourselves..
Okay. My question was more post when the GE Capital stuff is off, then we could see a resumption of....
GE certainly is positioning themselves through focus to grow going forward, right. It's....
And, yeah, therefore the answer, Bryan, is yes..
Okay. Good. And then, is there any risk or any – I guess, we could be positive or negative too.
Doesn't the whole MSA agreement come up with GE around the end of 2016?.
Yeah. So there's an MSA, but I think the answer there is the same that we've given you historically. We deal with each business within GE. The MSA is kind of more of a framework of how they do business. So we'll work through that. We don't expect there to be any significant impact as a result of that..
And one of the most interesting things, Bryan, in the transformation journey that GE is undertaking through its divestiture of some of the business of GE Capital is the fact that the total proportion of revenue from GE, for us, will actually go down and continues to go down as we go through 2016. That's pretty clear.
And a lot of the GE Capital businesses that are being sold, now we have contracts and we will have contracts with many different buyers. So to that extent, that's actually good for everyone..
Yeah. So just from the mathematics and the outlook that we gave you, you'd expect the GE business as a percentage of the total to be something like it was about 19% in 2015 and just the math given the outlook we gave you, it would be closer to 15% or 16%. So just orders of magnitude..
That's helpful.
And then, Ed, on the global client constant currency revenue growth of 12.5% to 14%, does that include any acquisition revenue growth in it? And how much if it does?.
No. If there's any material acquisitions, we will call that out as we did last year with Pharmalink..
Yeah..
Okay. And wasn't there an acquisition in the fourth quarter....
Nothing material. There's nothing material..
Endeavor mobility solutions, Bryan, not material..
Okay. Super. That's all I had. Thanks, guys..
Thank you..
Thanks..
Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of S.K. Prasad Borra with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open. Please go ahead..
Thanks for taking my questions.
Tiger, more on a broader level, are you seeing any impact of the macro concerns on the deal flow? And beyond GE, did you see any customer delays similar to what you saw in third quarter?.
So, I didn't get the second question, but let me answer the first one. The macro one, Prasad, is – I said this, which is you take any industry, broadly take any client of any industry, they're all dealing with the same macro stuff that we all know about. And therefore, it continues to put pressure on them to find answers.
And those answers are the reason why we are seeing more activity in conversations, more activity in the pipeline, more thought leadership needs and bringing all that to the table to therefore do change, and therefore, drive change and a more bigger desire to drive change. So all of that is playing out. Didn't get your second question..
I meant to ask just beyond GE were you seeing any customer delays similar to what you experienced in third quarter? Because I recollect in the third quarter you had some customer delays, which pushed some of those revenues into 4Q..
No. It was just timing of those deals. No..
So nothing material at the moment..
That came in line with what we expected. So, yeah..
Yeah..
Okay. Just second question, more around bookings growth so that I understand this better. So I do understand the concept around a step up in bookings growth what you experience in 2015 and also the 2016 number of 20% growth looks pretty healthy.
Now post all the investments you have done and the step up in bookings growth what you've seen, should you assume that, say, probably in the next 12 months or 24 months, the bookings growth more closely starts reflecting the top line growth?.
Yeah, broadly that is the long-term direction that it would go in. You've got to take into account the fact that there would be productivity that continues to get driven. But just to clarify, the bookings number that we gave was the 2015 bookings number, not the 2016 bookings number, but, yeah, and that's the 20% growth on 2014.
But that's a long-term direction that it would go in, which is bookings will get – track closer to revenue growth, but remember there is productivity and all of that also that is going on.
Plus, as Ed explained, a very deliberate constant reevaluation of the portfolio of services, the portfolio of accounts, the size of those relationships and the strategic nature of those relationships..
Yeah, the tenure. It's definitely a leading indicator, but I think to go to a precise level, I just wouldn't go there..
Okay. Probably just last one. We are seeing some improvement in terms of margins coming through.
Would you say that at this stage you're probably in the second half or probably in the later stages of step up investments in domain and sales related investments? Or you would say that given there's so many changes from a digital perspective and whatnot, investments are going to be at these levels from a percentage basis?.
So I think the way I would describe it is the investments are going to continue such that we're driving that top line growth in things like capabilities, in digital and analytics, the things that you heard talked about. In terms of as a percentage of sale, I think that's a little more – are going to be more measured as you might expect.
We've already taken selling and marketing up over 200 basis points. We've taken up our capability investments what we call R&D within the G&A bucket up as well. And that's been offset by G&A. So I'd say those investments will continue as we grow..
Yeah. And the reality is as I think most businesses should be these days, we should constantly evaluate in a much more agile way.
And if we continue to find the right growth opportunities that require investments, we should continue to drive those growth opportunities forward because this continues to be the biggest opportunity for us as a company and for all our investors, drive the growth and do the investments that allow us to drive that growth..
Okay. That's great. Thank you..
Thank you..
Thank you, Prasad..
Thank you. And I'm showing no further questions. And I would like to turn the call back to Mr. Roger Sachs for any closing remarks..
Yeah, thanks, everybody for joining us today. We look forward to speaking to you next quarter and also hopefully seeing all of you in New York in March. Thanks so much..
Thank you..
Ladies and gentlemen that does conclude today's conference. Thank you so much for your participation. You may now disconnect. Have a great day..