Jason Landkamer - Fluor Corp. David T. Seaton - Fluor Corp. Bruce A. Stanski - Fluor Corp..

Jamie L. Cook - Credit Suisse Securities (USA) LLC Steven Fisher - UBS Securities LLC Tahira Afzal - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc. Andrew Kaplowitz - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc. Andrew John Wittmann - Robert W. Baird & Co., Inc. Michael S.

Dudas - Vertical Research Partners LLC Anna Kaminskaya - Bank of America Merrill Lynch Jerry Revich - Goldman Sachs & Co. LLC Chad Dillard - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc..

Good afternoon and welcome to the Fluor Corporation's Third Quarter 2018 Earnings Conference Call. Today's call is being recorded. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow management's presentation. A replay of today's conference call will be available at approximately 8:30 P.M.

Eastern Time today, accessible on Fluor's website at investor.fluor.com. The web replay will be available for 30 days. A telephone replay will also be available through 7:30 P.M. Eastern Time on November 8 at the following telephone number, 888-203-1112, the pass code is 7465769 will be required.

At this time, for opening remarks, I would like to turn the call over to Jason Landkamer, Director of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, Mr. Landkamer..

Thank you, Ashley. Welcome to Fluor's third quarter 2018 conference call. With us today are David Seaton, Fluor's Chairman and Chief Executive Officer; and Bruce Stanski, Fluor's Chief Financial Officer. Our earnings announcement was released this afternoon after market close.

We have posted a slide presentation on our website which we will reference while making prepared remarks. Before getting started, I'd like to refer you to our Safe Harbor note regarding forward-looking statements, which is summarized on slide 2.

During today's call and slide presentation, we will be making forward-looking statements, which reflect our current analysis of existing trends and information. There is an inherent risk that actual results and experience could differ materially.

You can find a discussion of our risk factors, which could potentially contribute to such differences in the company's Form 10-Q filed earlier today and our Form 10-K filed on February 20. During this call, we may discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures.

Reconciliations of these amounts to comparable GAAP measures are reflected in our earnings release and posted in the Investor Relations section of our website at investor.fluor.com. Now, I'll turn the call over to David Seaton, Fluor's Chairman and CEO.

David?.

Thank you, Jason. Good afternoon, everybody, and thank you for joining us. On today's call, we'll review our third quarter results relative to our preannouncement three weeks ago and discuss our outlook for the rest of this year.

Earnings attributable to Fluor in the third quarter were $77 million, or $0.55 per diluted share, compared with earnings of $94 million and $0.67 per diluted share a year ago. Bruce will talk about the financial details in his discussion. If you turn to slide 3.

For the third quarter new awards for Energy & Chemical segment were $644 million and ending backlog was $11.4 billion. At the beginning of October, the consortium behind the LNG Canada project reached a final investment decision with final notice to proceed being received this week.

Fluor will book its $8.4 billion share of the approximately $14 billion contract in the fourth quarter. Throughout the bidding and planning process for the LNG Canada project we have focused on identifying the biggest obstacles to success in creating a comprehensive mitigation strategy.

We've relied on our zero-based execution approach, in addition to our supply chain and fabrication capability to enhance productivity and cost control. We believe these key advantages along with our data driven execution approach provide a distinct competitive advantage for the large EPC project clients are developing.

We continue to see a number of advantage projects that fit our pursuit profile over the next several quarters. These include LNG projects in Mozambique, chemical facilities including methanol facilities in the Gulf Coast, as well as further cracker complexes.

Turning to side 4, the Mining, Industrial, Infrastructure & Power group reported new awards of $5.4 billion for the third quarter and ending backlog with $16.5 million. This quarter we booked the Quellaveco copper mine in Peru and the Gordie Howe international bridge connecting Detroit, Windsor Canada.

Our mining backlog, within that group continues to grow and now stands at $8.1 billion, up from $4.8 billion in the last quarter. Building off our success in mining and infrastructure we're currently tracking prospects in copper, gold and bauxite for infrastructure, and we're continuing currently pursuing projects in Illinois, Virginia and Texas.

Turning to slide 5, the Government group reported new awards for the quarter of $3.3 billion, which included the DOE extension in Savannah River through 2019, Portsmouth D&D contract through 2021 and the strategic petroleum reserve contract through 2024. Ending backlog was $5.1 billion.

For 2009 (sic) [2019] (4:59), we are well positioned to win the liquid waste contract at Savannah River and the LOGCAP V contract.

If you turn to slide 6, in the Diversified Services segment, they reported new awards of $336 million, which includes a two-year extension for Stork's delivery integrator specialist, asset integrity services for the offshore production platforms located in Central North Sea. Ending backlog for the quarter is $2 billion.

While revenue for the quarter was lighter than our expectation, this is the first time we've seen a book-to-bill ratio above 2.0 in the last 10 years. We believe this is a meaningful indicator of a strong beginning to the cycle.

Finally, I want to share with you an update on the two projects relayed at our pre-announcement that we released a few weeks ago.

On our Citrus gas fire project in Florida, I'm pleased to say that one of the power blocks has been placed in service by our client and the other power block is completing the planned catalyst replacement outage following successful steam blows.

On our downstream project in Europe, the client has commissioned the facility and will achieve commercial operations, both of these projects will be complete this year. And with that, I'll turn it over to Bruce.

Bruce?.

Thanks, David, and good afternoon, everyone. Please turn to slide 9. Revenue for the third quarter was $4.7 billion, compared to $4.9 billion a year ago. The decline in revenue can be attributed to the lower-than-anticipated ramp in mining, infrastructure and energy, chemicals projects. We expect this shift to benefit future years.

Corporate G&A expense for the third quarter was $65 million, compared to $46 million a year ago. G&A expense for the quarter includes $21 million related mostly to UK pension closeout related expenses and some foreign exchange fluctuations.

Turning to slide 10, and as David mentioned, for the quarter, we reported net income attributed to Fluor of $77 million, or $0.55 per diluted share. Results for the quarter include a tax rate of 34% compared to 29% last quarter.

This higher than anticipated tax rate is due to the company being impacted by certain foreign charges that could not be tax benefited. $81 million in pre-tax charges on two projects as noted in our pre-announcement call and $125 million pre-tax gain on sale of our investment in Seagreen Wind Energy, also noted on our pre-announcement call.

We have provided some highlights from the balance sheet on slide 11. In August, we completed a $600 million senior unsecured notes offering, maturing in 2028. The yield on this oversubscribed offering was 4.25%. We used $500 million of the proceeds to pay off $500 million of senior unsecured notes due in 2021.

Fluor's cash plus marketable securities for the quarter was $1.9 billion versus $1.8 billion last quarter. At the end of the quarter our available domestic cash balance was 21% of total cash.

This includes excess proceeds from the notes offering and increased cash flow from operations, including the receipt of cash from the government related to our power restoration project in Puerto Rico. We continue to make good progress toward driving this ready cash balance up to the $1 billion target we previously shared.

And now if you turn to slide 12, I will conclude my remarks by commenting on our guidance for the rest of 2018. We anticipate earnings for 2018 of $1.80 to $1.90 per diluted share. This excludes any impact of foreign exchange fluctuations or UK pension settlement expenses, which may occur in the fourth quarter.

This guidance assumes G&A expense of approximately $50 million, again excluding any impact of foreign exchange fluctuations, integration, or pension expenses, and a tax rate of 25% to 30%.

If you turn to slide 13, we anticipate average margins for the remainder of 2018 in the Energy & Chemicals segment to be in the 5% to 6% range; Mining, Industrial, Infrastructure, & Power, excluding NuScale to be in the 2.5% range; Government to be approximately 3%; and Diversified Services to be around 4% to 5%.

With that, operator, we're ready to take questions..

And our first question is from Jamie Cook with Credit Suisse..

Hi. Good evening. So I'm not going to push you tonight on the base of earnings as we think about 2019, I'll try to behave. But instead, can you just help me understand, you guys talked a bit....

Yeah, right..

I'll try, I won't at the Analyst Day though. But anyway, can you – you talked at the pre-announcement about sort of the deferral of engineering work from Q3.

Any clarity on how much of that goes into Q4 versus 2019? My second question, David, the margins that you guys are implying for Energy & Chemical in the fourth quarter are probably better than what the market expected.

So is there anything unusual about that or is there – I mean, I'm assuming that's an okay way to think about 2019? And then my last question is obviously, some of your peers are having financial issues. Some of your peers are getting out of the ECR business.

Can you just talk about, given those changes, is there more work or awards coming to you than you would have expected? Or is it too early to know? Thank you..

Start with the last one, Jamie, I think it's too early to know. The pursuit strategies and proposals that we have underway haven't really been impacted by that. Maybe it changes what the customers are thinking. But none of those projects that we've been pursuing has changed their schedule or their approach because of changes in the competitive slate.

On the margin, there is nothing unusual in what we've reported, you know, we're kind of in that, an interesting place where we're ramping up, but we're not there yet. And one example is how in particular the two methanol projects have slipped almost over a year, and in fact one of them, I'd say both of them are next year from an award standpoint.

So that's really the basis for why we kind of had this slow ramp, if you will, in the second half of the year because we really expected those to have been awarded at least by mid this year. So we've missed it by at least two quarters..

And our next question is from Steven Fisher with UBS..

Hey. Thanks. Good afternoon..

Good afternoon, Steven..

David, you gave us a bit of an update on the project here.

So how confident are you that Q4 is going to be actually free of charges and the start of a track record of clean quarters? And then is the nearly $0.70 kind of run rate the way to think about the starting point for 2019, with a ramp over the course of the year?.

Well, I'm not going to talk about 2019 yet, but we'll provide some color as we as get to the investor conference. I can't promise you anything. All I can tell you is that those two projects are all but complete. The news on the in-service on power block 1 is huge and was significantly ahead of the schedule that we had set.

And we expect second power block to do the same thing. And on the project in Europe, I mean, they're in commercial operation now. So there's just follow-on stuff, dribs and drabs, but we've accounted for those as we do – as we thought we did in the quarters before. But, as you well know, I've been burdened by those two projects for most of this year.

So I'm not going to predict anything, but I will say I've got confidence that we see the very end..

Okay. That's helpful. And then clearly next quarter we're going to finally see that inflection in backlog in the E&C segment.

So how much of a lag do you think it would be before we start to see the revenues have the year-over-year inflection? Is that going to be as soon as potentially Q1?.

Well, I think with rev rec you're going to see something different than you've seen in your models before.

In that the margin profile is going to be over the five years of that – just using LNG Canada as an example, the earnings will be over that five years, you won't have the spike in earnings in the engineering phase like we've had before, which I think is actually good thing because you'll be able to model it in a much more smooth way than trying to anticipate where we are in that EPC cycle.

So I think that it's going to start to ramp as we get through 2019 when you start layering all of these big projects that we put in backlog in mining as well as what's coming in in E&C. So we're going to be building through the years, I guess, is the way I would articulate it..

Okay. Thanks a lot..

And our next question is from Tahira Afzal from KeyBanc..

Hi, folks..

Hi, Tahira.

How are you?.

Doing well.

So, if you really look out to – David if you look out to all the moving pieces on the geopolitical side, is it kind of changing your prospects by any chance, obviously demand and supply seem to still be in your favor, but in terms of how you prioritize your key prospects, is anything changing over there?.

Not really. It's a great question. There is a lot of noise, but we haven't seen any behavioral changes on behalf of our clients, whether what – you picked the political kerfuffle, whether it's the Saudis or tariffs or whatever. We really haven't seen any change in behaviors and I really don't anticipate it.

And that goes back to when I was in the Middle East and the Iraqis were still throwing Scud missiles out. It did not slow any of the decision making then. So I don't think we're going to see much of a attitude change on the part of our clients. On the tariff side, and I'll just use the Gordie Howe project as an example.

When we bid that job, we were careful of whether there would be the new NAFTA or whatever acronyms that stands for now, I don't even know what it is. I just call it the new NAFTA. When you take steel as an example, anything that's bought from the Canadian side is Canadian steel and everything that's bought on the U.S. side is U.S. steel.

Because of the sophistication of our supply chain, that's an easy thing for us to deal with. And I would say that that example applies just about any place around the globe. In China, we're certainly seeing harsher attitudes, but not much more than we normally see.

But there is clearly projects in China that we're pursuing with great gusto right now and feel pretty good about our position. So, I don't even think what's happening between the U.S. and China will stop that spending because both the major customers that we're dealing with aren't U.S. based customers..

Got it. Okay, David. And, David, I saw that there was a big retrofit for Exxon I believe in Singapore that just got announced over the last couple of months. It seems multibillion dollar potentially and it seems to be tied to IMO 2020.

Are we starting to see some opportunities emerge there? Is it too early and are you kind of skeptical in terms of the bigger opportunities that will ever arise from that?.

Again, I think the cadence of those types of projects are going to follow the cadence that we've expected. I don't think there's any action that will speed things up, if you will. But when you look at that part of the world, I'll just pick refining, they don't produce in the volumes necessary to supply that local demand.

So they're going to have to do some things to have those raw fuels as an example. So they're a little bit behind where the Europeans are a little bit ahead..

Got it. Thank you very much..

Thank you..

And our next question is from Andy Kaplowitz with Citi..

Hey. Good afternoon guys..

Hey, Andy..

David or Bruce, you guided to $125 million in pre-tax profit when you pre-announced earlier this month and you came in at $146 million, I guess, this was earlier last month.

What happened between when you pre-announced and now? Were you able to realize some extra benefit versus your initial expectations? And then it appears your underlying margin E&C is in the low to mid 5% range.

I know Jamie asked the question, but if I look at the 5% to 6% E&C margin in Q4, is that sort of the bottom here assuming that the projects that you've already announced start to ramp-up?.

I'll let Bruce answer that..

Okay. Thanks, David. Thanks Andy for the question. Let me answer your second question first relative to kind of the E&C margin. So we have EBIT in E&C of little over $50 million for the quarter.

And if you kind of adjust back for that downstream European project that's $46 million but also included in their business is an embedded derivative where we're long on the dollar. So when the dollar weakens against the peso, we suffer there and we had about a $15 million adjustment there. So we kind of make those adjustments.

We're at about $111 million of EBIT to a revenue of about $1.9 billion. So in the high 5s there for margins. So they're kind of something you don't see on the top line of our statements, so.

Relative to $125 million to $146 million, well, this is the problem when you pre-release of course is we just simply hadn't closed the books on all of our projects or thousand projects around the world and some came a little stronger than we had predicted.

It's no single aberration at all in the quarter at all, it's just generally the project is doing better than planned..

That's helpful, Bruce. And then maybe I could ask sort of a follow up question and when I look at MII&P margin, it does look weak, excluding the fixed price power charge. But we know there's disruption that must be coming there from the fixed price business ramping down, from the power business ramping down.

You guys have talked about sort of discontinuing that business at least in terms of the fixed price gas projects.

So why shouldn't we start to see margin actually ramp up in that business over the next year or two? Maybe back to where margins used to be in that business, call it mid single-digits ex-NuScale, as some of the bigger fixed price infrastructure jobs you're working on really start to ramp up?.

I think, Andy, you kind of answered some of your question there. We did report margins over 2% for the quarter in that unit, of course we need them to be higher, want them to be higher.

But it's kind of a combination of the CFM that's going through the mining business now, that's coming in in large order with the big mining projects, which of course goes through our books at no margin.

And then it also is, as you mentioned, kind of the startup of these large infurtive (23:03) jobs that we have to be kind of in the field a while before we actually start hitting the revenue and income burns.

So projects like the LA people-mover and the Gordie Howe, like David mentioned, as they come and get more on the ground, that's when we'll see the pickup in earnings and in margin..

Okay.

And, Bruce, that really could be next year, correct?.

Yeah, we fully do expect to be next year, but more back-end loaded next year. And wait a minute, I'm not supposed to talk about next year so....

That's helpful, guys..

I think you tracked (23:37) my comment of the layering effect of these big projects and how they're starting..

Understand, David..

And our next question comes from Andy Wittmann with Baird..

Yeah, great. Thanks. I guess my question is for Bruce. Just looking at the Q, it looks like the new rev rec standard added $52 million of revenue versus the prior accounting standard. And that came through at almost 100% profit. So that's like $0.27.

I guess my question is like, can you just talk about how that comes through? And what the implications are and what you're assuming in your fourth quarter guidance in terms of the rev rec benefit? And will this normalize, where you won't be getting such a big tailwind as you move into 2019?.

Well, good question, Andy. And we stopped guiding on rev rec alone, because it's kind of been a bit all over the map quarter-by-quarter. And you saw that number. I think, it's might – looking about $50 million for the quarter. But we're in the same ballpark.

Really what we're seeing from the rev rec, and it's mostly in our Energy & Chemicals business, is that's very much – it's offsetting against this engineering shift that David talked about earlier. So kind of looking at the overall impact of that, it is normalizing our earnings now.

Now how it actually works is, we recognized this rev rec back through our income statement. At the beginning of this year, we took a negative adjustment to retained earnings. So we earned that retained earnings back. So it goes through the income statement, then it replenishes our retained earnings and shareholder equity there.

It's kind of just the accounting movement of it. But we really have moved now to the same basis as our peers in this sector. So in other words, everybody has been recognizing it this way and not separating these performance obligations and recognizing the engineering revenue at much higher margin and the construction margin much lower.

And it flattens it out, as David was saying, and kind of flattens it out over multi years. So a much easier model to work, but it is a change for us. Now this table we put in our Q, we're required to do that for the whole of this year. Beginning in next year, and we plan on the new rev rec.

We really don't in running the business, separate it all, it's what the projects are producing.

If that helps?.

Yes. It's great. So this is the only year where we'll get the disclosure. It may or may not be in there next year, but we won't know.

Is that kind of the summary, is how it affects the – what we should look at in 2019?.

Yeah. It won't really matter to us or our peer group. We'll be in line with our peers..

Yeah. Okay. That makes sense. Thank you..

And our next question comes from Michael Dudas with Vertical Research..

Good afternoon, gentlemen..

Michael..

David, I was intrigued by your prepared remarks on the services business and the high book-to-bill. You maybe could elaborate on that.

Is it a U.S.-Europe type business? Are there more maintenance opportunities? It's just there's a lot more OpEx spending, and we're in the early parts of an upturn in that cycle for Fluor's ability for their clients – for your clients to move even further down the line on investment?.

No. I think it's just the layering that I've been talking about is as we've talked – this is the first year in 10 years we've been able to have this kind of performance. And I think it is the indicator that the slack (27:17) was changing.

It's been a difficult period of time and we're finally starting to see kind of the fruits of our labor, whether it's the integrated solutions approach to ability to do true EPC work, which is what our customers are asking for.

The diversity of our offering, I think it's all kind of coming together and like, I said, I think we're in the early stages of what's going to be a pretty robust several years..

And then my follow-up into your infrastructure and mining business. Do you – mining backlog picking up pretty nicely, is there going to be a lag before another wave maybe in the second half of 2019 and 2020 and do you see maybe a higher end market or end point through the mining backlog as we move into say 2020, 2021.

And on the infrastructure side, I want to ask you about what you think is going to happen next Tuesday politically, but is there a sense or something that could come out of Washington, maybe on the infrastructure side that could benefit the industry and you guys in your opportunities..

On the mining question, it is going to be Phase 1 and Phase 2. We won't have the same sort of ramp up in 2019 in new awards, there's still going to be some good awards. But 2020 is shaping up to be bigger than what we've seen in 2018 in terms of new awards for mining.

So I think, as I've told you before, I think there's a longer tail on this cycle for both mining and oil and gas. So I'm pretty bullish about mining over the longer term and these projects are three, four, five years just like the E&C project.

So again, when you start thinking about that layering of those big projects and a more stable earnings stream, I think we're in for a lot more stability going forward with increased profitability.

On your question about next Tuesday, who knows, I know that in my conversations, neither Congress or the Senate were going to give the President two wins in a year, maybe in tax, infrastructure is probably next.

If I'm to prognosticate, if the Democrats take the House, my guess is that there'll probably be more money asked for, and whether that actually becomes reality. I don't know. Obviously the spending bills have to be ratified by both bodies.

So, you're going to have the Senate, you're going to have OMB that are a little tighter with the dollar than maybe the other side. But I think we'd get an infrastructure bill done next year. And I think that's going to be good for the country and good for us.

Certainly, we've been pretty successful and we're bidding a lot of programs now and I think that under the current leadership, they've opened their aperture and I think their breadth is greater going into this. So I think they've got more capacity in the next wave.

So I'm pretty optimistic about some sort of infrastructure bill and it having some benefit on us. But let's say it gets past mid next year to third quarter next year, you're into 2020, 2021 before anything gets actually put to paper and awarded.

But that's okay because that's going to be building that business over the longer-term, over and above what I think is a pretty robust market for us right now..

David, thanks for your thoughts. Look forward to seeing you in a couple of weeks..

Thanks, Michael..

And our next question is from Anna Kaminskaya with Bank of America..

Good evening, guys..

Good evening..

I just want to just follow up on maybe your LNG opportunities. I think you outlined a couple of sizable projects, but realistically kind of how many of those projects can you take on from engineering capacity or modular fabrication capacity.

And if you do have an opportunity to get more than one additional project, if I do have to reinvest into additional modular fabrication capacity?.

Great question. I think we've got capacity well above one or two for two reasons.

One is, as you look at LNG Canada with full notice to proceed, we'll be well down the road on design before any of the other ones are actually awarded, which means that we'll just ship that project team over, in some cases to the second project and I would say the third would be the same.

We're kind of looking at those projects in that kind of a schedule lens as to what fits the infrastructure we have. I don't see an issue with our leadership in that regard or the supply chain pieces that we have.

Fabrication, we may end up depending on where we are with the other businesses looking at that next phase of the yard in China, but it's not a huge investment for us if we have to go in that direction.

So, I think, us making sure that we're timing these projects properly and they fit kind of us with the ability to implement these things from a supply chain standpoint, I think we're in pretty good position..

Great. And just a more philosophical question on why you would like to build out the cash cushion in North America of $1 billion, just looking at your working capital, it's relatively neutral, you're going to get some prepayments from customers for working capital.

Why not use some of the extra free cash flow for kind of incremental buyback or just, I don't know, signal investors that you feel good about your growth prospects.

Just can you walk me through your thinking why you need that cushion?.

Yeah. Thank you, Anna. Certainly – we've established this target of the $1 billion ready cash because of kind of what we experienced in the – with the government contract in Puerto Rico, how we pushed out nearly $1 billion of cash in 45 days to fund that operation.

Of course, as I've said before, that money is coming back with earnings on top of it and we should have that receivable cleared by the end of the year. It's important to have that cash to go.

Also as these FIDs start to stack up on one another in this dual up cycle between mining and Energy & Chemicals, we really see that as a bit of a security blanket or a war chest for our cash.

If you look at our cash for the quarter, we've increased our total cash by about $140 million, up to a little over $1.9 billion, and about half of that was from operating cash. The other half was from our debt offering and how much we borrowed above what we had to pay off that bullet bond for.

But to answer your question the second half directly, the buyback is not off the table. We just want to make sure we're secured first to take care of our normal operations, to service our shareholders through dividend and then we'll look at other opportunities for both maybe very, very niche acquisitions but also buyback for sure..

Thank you very much..

And our next question is from Jerry Revich with Goldman Sachs..

Yes. Hi. Good afternoon and good evening..

Good afternoon, Jerry..

David, you also had excellent bookings in mining so far. This quarter we've heard from a number of miners about taking more of a wait-and-see approach in light of concerns about global trade in their outlook for China.

I'm wondering in your discussions as you alluded to in the next wave of mining projects, are you seeing feasibility studies getting pushed out? Any projects where you're seeing actually the rubber meet the road, if you will, and actual push outs for feasibility studies?.

We're actually seeing feasibility studies pick up. There's a lot of pent up demand. So as you look through 2019, a lot of the awards in mining are going to be those kinds of studies, which leads to 2020. Now obviously, they got to get to the FID on the full investment.

I'm pretty confident that even with the uncertainty that you see today, that they're going to get to the point where they need the capacity, they need the ore on the water. Because as you well know in the commodity market, if you can't put the ore on water, you're not going to have the cash to go with it.

So I anticipate study work to continue to grow, despite the challenges politically right now. And I do think a lot of those projects are going to go to a positive FID as we get into 2020..

Okay. And from a margin standpoint, you folks are guiding to, at the midpoint anyway, margins in Energy & Chemicals of 5.5%, compared to, excluding charges, of closer to 5% in the third quarter.

Can you just talk about what you folks expect to improve sequentially 4Q versus 3Q in that business?.

Well, Jerry, I think I talked about it, a little bit of that here with obviously the impact of this charge we took on the downstream project. But that embedded derivative is kind of a bit of an unknown for us quarter-to-quarter as we have currency risk there. But margins there are continuing to guide on a go-forward basis in our 6% to 7% range.

But we did pull that back to the 5% to 6%, just for the fourth quarter..

And, Bruce, so just to clarify, the 5% to 6% includes a headwind from currency?.

No. No. We don't plan currency. That's too much of a guessing game for us and for a lot of people, so....

Okay. And finally, from a tax rate standpoint, obviously a lot of moving pieces drove a higher tax rate this year.

As you folks think about the long-term tax rate outlook, anything that we should keep in mind in terms of what the tax structure could look like, based on the project mix that you have in backlog now over the next couple of years?.

No, Jerry, actually, the tax guidance that we gave of 25% to 30% still really holds on a run basis for us. We don't see really revisiting that obviously in the quarter. When we took a loss outside the United States in the jurisdiction that we did, we didn't have the benefit of taking that tax benefit on our U.S. tax rate. So that drove up our U.S.

tax – our tax basis overall. So we don't expect any more. We certainly haven't planned any more adjustments like that. So our run rate looks reasonable to us..

Okay. Thank you..

And our next question is from Chad Dillard with Deutsche Bank..

Hi. Good evening, everybody..

Hey, Chad..

Just wanted to go to Diversified Services. Can you talk about the project pipeline there? And then also maybe dig into the AMECO operation, just given that you guys have a number of projects going to the field next year between mining, LNG.

And I just want to understand how to think about margins as your utilization picks up there? Then secondly, could you perhaps talk a little bit about how we should think about NuScale in 2019?.

So on Diversified Services, one of the problems we had is the spending in oil and gas being so low for so long, that is the main business that Stork is in. That spending habit is changing to where there's quite a few opportunities available to us as we start to get into next year. Their bid slate's pretty full, but it's a highly competitive market.

But I do feel pretty good about their ability to grow as we get through next year from what I would argue is probably their low point. AMECO, same thing, it's going to follow the construction stuff.

And I think as you said, I think we'll start to see a pickup there, both in terms of servicing Flour but also in terms of servicing some of the mining companies, because that is one of the areas that they focus on, and in the past been a good earner for them. So, I think that's the case.

Relative to NuScale we signaled that we will have a significantly less spend on NuScale in 2019 and beyond, not going to really signal anything more than that, but we are in the process of looking at partners and potential people to sell part of the venture to, but in terms of Fluor's expenditure, it will be significantly less than it was in 2018..

Got it.

And then over to the infrastructure market, I know, you've had a couple of larger awards, but I think earlier you've been talking about seeing few more one-sies and two-sies, just want to see, why that slate has changed, and you're starting to see larger projects and perhaps more P3s and just how to think about that pipeline as we look towards the next 12 months..

One of the issues we have with infrastructure is just the gestation period of the bids. The timeframe to get from kind of the RFP to an award is a lot longer in that market because of some of the public-private partnership issues and pulling those funding vehicles together. It takes a lot longer to get one across the finish line.

So that's really what's driving my comment about how robust it's going to be. But I did say that the management team that we've got in place now has kind of opened the aperture. And that's with what we're calling Fluor Heavy Civil.

Those are some of the smaller road jobs that are taking place in places like Texas and Virginia and South Carolina and in Arizona. And we're being very successful and those are some of the smaller projects. But from a utilization of equipment and people, it's very healthy to that business, and that is actually picking up.

We're seeing a significant uptick in terms of the number of projects we're bidding. So again, I think that we're building a more sustainable infrastructure model as opposed to being a big game hunter, if you will, for some of the marquee projects that are out there. We're still going to do that. We're still going to go after those with gusto.

But I think we've got a little bit more balanced portfolio within the infrastructure group going forward..

All right. I'll leave it there. Thank you..

Thank you..

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