Geoff Telfer - Fluor Corp. David T. Seaton - Fluor Corp. Bruce A. Stanski - Fluor Corp. Biggs C. Porter - Fluor Corp..
Jamie L. Cook - Credit Suisse Securities (USA) LLC Andrew Kaplowitz - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc. Steven Michael Fisher - UBS Securities LLC Tahira Afzal - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc. Jerry Revich - Goldman Sachs & Co. LLC Michael S. Dudas - Vertical Research Partners, LLC. Justin J. Ward - Wells Fargo Securities LLC Andrew John Wittmann - Robert W.
Baird & Co., Inc. Robert F. Norfleet - Alembic Global Advisors LLC.
Good afternoon, and welcome to Fluor Corporation's Second Quarter 2017 Conference Call. Today's call is being recorded. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow management's presentation. A replay of today's conference call will be available at approximately 8:30 P.M.
Eastern time today, accessible on Fluor's website at investor.fluor.com. The web replay will be available for 30 days. A telephone replay will also be available through 7:30 Eastern time on August 10 at the following telephone number 888-203-1112. The pass code of 4460690 will be required.
At this time, for opening remarks, I would like to turn the call over to Geoff Telfer, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, Mr. Telfer..
Thank you, Andrew, and welcome to Fluor's second quarter 2017 conference call. With us today are David Seaton, Fluor's Chairman and Chief Executive Officer; and Biggs Porter, Fluor's Chief Financial Officer; and incoming CFO, Bruce Stanski.
Our earnings announcement was released this afternoon after market close, and we have posted a slide presentation on our website, which we'll referenced while making prepared remarks. But before getting started, I'd like to refer you to our Safe Harbor note regarding forward-looking statements, which is summarized on slide 2.
During today's call and slide presentation, we'll be making forward-looking statements which reflect our current analysis of existing trends and information. However, there is an inherent risk that actual results could differ materially.
You can find a discussion of our risk factors, which could potentially contribute to such differences, in the company's Form 10-Q filed earlier today and our Form 10-K filed on February 17. During today's call, we may also discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures.
Reconciliations of these amounts with the comparable GAAP measures are reflected in our earnings release and posted in the Investor Relations section of our website at investor.fluor.com. Now, let me turn the call over to David Seaton, Fluor's Chairman and CEO.
David?.
Thanks, Geoff. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us. On today's call, we will review the second quarter results and discuss the outlook for 2017. Before I get started, I want to thank Biggs for his contribution to Fluor over the last five years.
His expertise and strategic leadership have been instrumental in strengthening our company's financial foundation. So I'd like to thank Biggs for his service. As mentioned, Bruce Stanski is on the phone with us today. He will transition into the CFO role starting tomorrow. Bruce, I wonder if you'd like to say a few words..
Yes, David, but I'll be brief. I'm very happy to have the privilege to serve as CFO for Fluor. Biggs and his entire finance team have just been great on getting me up to speed on things. I have met a number of you at past investor events, and I do really look forward to reengaging with both the analyst and investor community..
Thanks, Bruce. I want to start our call today discussing the issues we're experiencing in our Industrial, Infrastructure & Power segment, and specifically the concerns on three gas-fired projects currently under construction. All three projects, four if you include the Brunswick project that incurred a charge in 2015, had a fundamental problem.
And the projects did not meet the original baseline assumptions due to improper estimating, craft productivity and equipment issues. All of these projects were bid in 2014 by the same pursuit team. In addition, all four projects were based on next gen turbines or steam generators that were first of a kind for Fluor.
The quality control and completeness of these turbines delivered to the site were not in line with our bid assumptions, and we are pursuing our options. So where are we today? Of the three currently active projects, one is 92% complete with an expected mechanical completion in Q4. One is 45% complete with an estimated completion date of Q2, 2018.
And the last project is 42% complete and is expected to be complete in Q4, 2018. I'd make a comment that those are construction completion percentages, not overall project percent complete. So this is specifically related to the construction scope. I've discussed the problems, and now I'd like to talk about what we've changed.
After we had the initial charge last quarter, we changed the Power leadership team and brought in Simon Nottingham as the President of that Group, of the Power Group. Simon comes from our oil and gas group, and he brings to this role his extensive background in project and program management.
He and his team, in coming to this role, led a review of the three projects in the second quarter and developed a path forward that is reflected in our current estimates. Some members of the Power management team have exited Fluor.
We also informed our employees that we are closing our Charlotte office and consolidating Power operations in Greenville, where it will be closer to our other businesses and leadership.
As we do periodically with all of our markets, we're in the middle of reassessing the gas-fired power market to determine where there are opportunities for returns consistent with our expectations and long-term experience. The power market is extremely competitive.
And unfortunately, we are not immune to the challenges others have seen in this segment of the power industry. We will only participate in this market if we believe we can achieve appropriate risk-adjusted returns. Every prospect in this market is being reviewed by the team through a different set of lenses.
In addition to the changes in management at Power Group and our strategic evaluation of the gas-fired power market, we're also implementing other changes to give us greater confidence that these types of earnings adjustments are diminished and less frequent. I'd ask you to please turn to slide 3.
For the past several years, we've been focused on expanding our EPC model into the one integrated solution. We've done this by adding fabrication capacity, improving our supply chain capabilities and performing more direct-hire construction.
This strategy delivers on our clients' need for greater capital efficiency, and these actions also allow us to perform greater scopes of work on a project, which gives us greater control on the project outcomes and provides us an opportunity to generate greater returns. We are simultaneously executing over 1,000 projects globally with excellence.
The vast majority of the projects meet or exceed our expectations, and we see the benefits of our integrated solution strategy at work. Unfortunately, it takes a few poor performing projects to overshadow the great work we are doing on most of our projects. Strong project execution has been a hallmark of Fluor.
And as I've said, the vast majority of our projects are performing well. Strategically, we're focused on improving our execution and maintaining this key differentiator. This strategy is multipronged. We have initiatives in place to improve safety and quality.
By improving safety and quality, we'll improve project outcomes to the benefit of our clients and Fluor. We have significantly increased the independent review of critical projects. We are improving our estimating system.
And we're also making significant investments in applying data analytics to projects so that we can identify challenges earlier, which would allow us to mitigate problems sooner. We believe all these actions will minimize downside risk and allow for greater upside opportunities.
From an even broader perspective, the current market environment is perhaps the worst I've seen in my 30-plus years. The market has contracted since 2014.
The good news is that we're starting to see prospects come back in some of our end markets including mining, which includes the Anglo American Quellaveco project in Peru and the Salares Norte project in Chile for Gold Fields, and our recent announcement of the BHP South Flank project.
Having said that, creating and maintaining a diverse portfolio of work has been and continues to be a core strategy of Fluor. Portfolio diversity helps minimize adverse impacts from a specific industry, as well as industry cycle – excuse me – regional cycle.
Recently, our ability to expand our backlog in infrastructure, government, life sciences and advanced manufacturing has offset multiyear decline in mining and metals as well as oil and gas. In addition, we have expanded our long-term recurring revenue opportunity with our acquisition of Stork along with key wins in our government business.
Our integrated solutions, project execution and portfolio diversity strategies create a strong sustainable company that is built to preserve -- persevere in the current market situation and build for future profitable growth. Now let's look at the second quarter and please turn to slide number 4.
The net loss attributable to Fluor was $24 million or $0.17 per diluted share. This includes the $124 million or $0.89 per diluted share charge related to those power projects I discussed. Consolidated segment profit for the second quarter was $15 million. Segment profit margins were point zero – sorry – 0.3% compared to 4.7% last year.
Excluding the negative impacts of the project charges taken this quarter, segment profit margin would have been approximately 4.3%. Revenue for the quarter was $4.7 billion compared to $4.9 billion a year ago. New awards for the quarter were $3.2 billion, and ending backlog was $37.6 billion. Turning to slide 5.
The Energy, Chemicals & Mining segment booked $860 million of new awards for the quarter, and their ending backlog was $19 billion. Of this amount, approximately $1.2 billion is in mining. Now we continue to have positive conversations with clients and see some sizable EPC awards over the next two quarters.
Our oil and gas customers have become accustomed to the current range of crude oil prices, but they are moving forward with CapEx spending, but with a focus on advantaged projects. Our integrated solutions offering is being received well. And while projects have shifted to the right, there's – they're still there for us to win.
Second quarter new awards for Industrial, Infrastructure & Power were $672 million, including the Southern Gateway highway project in Texas. Ending backlog was $11.4 billion for this segment, which also reflects an adjustment for the V.C. Summer Nuclear Station project that is winding down. So that is no longer in our backlog.
Both SCANA and Santee Cooper are starting the process to abandon both units at that location. And we are working with them to assist in the orderly and safe closure of those sites.
We continue to support and progress at Southern as they wrap up their assessment efforts for that site, and we expect that assessment to be done in the next four weeks or so. Turning to slide 6.
The Government group posted second quarter new awards of $1.1 billion, including our annual renewal of task order awards for LOGCAP IV in Afghanistan and additional funding for the Strategic Petroleum Reserve and the Idaho Cleanup Project Core Contract. Ending backlog was $4.1 billion.
The Diversified Services segment posted second quarter awards of $554 million. Ending backlog was $2.9 billion. And now I'd like to turn it over to Biggs.
Biggs?.
Thanks, David. Good afternoon, everyone. Please turn to slide 7 of the presentation. As usual, I'll start by providing some additional comments on our second quarter performance and move to the balance sheet. Revenue for the quarter was $4.7 billion, down slightly from $4.9 billion a year ago.
Revenue increases from Government and Industrial, Infrastructure & Power were offset by decline in Energy, Chemicals & Mining. Corporate G&A expenses for the second quarter were $47 million compared with $53 million a year ago.
Expenses for the quarter include $14 million related to foreign exchange fluctuations, partially offset by a decrease in compensation expense. This quarter's loss per diluted share of $0.17 includes an $0.89 charge on three power projects in the Industrial, Infrastructure & Power segment.
Without this charge, earnings per share would have been well within our expectations for the quarter. Margins for the quarter were 0.3% compared to 4.7% a year ago. Margins at our Energy, Chemicals & Mining segment improved to 5.5% from 3.8% last quarter and 5.1% a year ago.
This improvement was driven by increased project execution activities and cost improvements for large international projects. Shifting to the balance sheet. Fluor's cash plus current and noncurrent marketable securities totaled $2.1 billion compared to $2.2 billion last quarter and $1.9 billion a year ago.
Cash provided by operating activities was $158 million for the quarter, as we continue to see an improvement in working capital. This represents an improvement from last quarter that positions us well for the remainder of 2017. During the quarter, we paid $29 million in dividends. Moving to slide 8. Excuse me.
Fluor's consolidated backlog at quarter end was $37.6 billion. The percentage of fixed price contracts in our overall backlog was 32%. At quarter end, the mix by geography was 48% U.S. and 52% non-U.S. I will conclude my remarks by commenting on our guidance for 2017, which is on slide 9.
We are revising our earnings guidance to a range of $1.40 to $1.70 per diluted share, to primarily reflect the charges taken on power projects this quarter and to a smaller extent the wind-down of the V.C. Summer Nuclear Station project.
Our guidance for 2017 also assumes G&A expense in the range of $180 million to $200 million, and a tax rate for the remaining quarters of 32% to 34%. Other expectations for 2017 include NuScale expenses of approximately $80 million, and capital expenditures of approximately $225 million to $275 million depending on AMECO opportunities.
Looking at margin expectations for the balance of the year, we anticipate the Energy, Chemicals & Mining group to be approximately 5%, Diversified Services to be approximately 5.5%; and Industrial, Infrastructure & Power excluding NuScale, and Government, both to be approximately 3%. With that, operator, we're ready to take questions..
Thank you. Our first question comes from Jamie Cook with Credit Suisse. Please go ahead..
Hi, good evening. I guess a couple questions, David, I appreciate the color on the projects, the three power projects. But can you give us some sense of the backlog what percent of the backlog is problem projects at this point? Because we had issues with CPChem and the infrastructure projects.
So I'm just trying to think that part through? The second question is if I look at your guidance cut from before, you're reducing your guidance $0.95 at the midpoint and the three power projects were like $0.90. So I'm just wondering if that's conservative enough in particular with the cancellation of the nuke project.
And then my last bigger question is, David, I appreciate the management changes and closing offices and considering whether or not you should be in the fixed-price power business. But the fixed – the issue is much broader than power, when we think about CPChem, when we think about infrastructure, when we just think about the history.
So why is it ever a good idea to do fixed price work, we never had a better mousetrap, not you or anyone?.
Yeah, those are good questions. I'm not going to get into what's in the backlog and what we feel on those backlog projects. But I will address the fixed-price work. I – we continue to develop our confidence in that market. Part of it is reliant on our ability to deploy our resources.
In each of these cases including CPChem, we were challenged by available skilled labor on those job sites as well as mistakes that were made in certain areas. With regard to the power projects, I didn't say we wouldn't do fixed priced power projects again.
I said we were going to review the gas-fired power projects to see whether that piece of the market is consistent with what we expect. I appreciate that your confidence has been shaken, but I will argue that this is not systemic.
In the case of those four projects, they were done by the same team, by the same – using the same statistics and information. And unfortunately, I think those in our industry would agree, you really don't know where the issues are going to raise their heads until you're at about 40%, 30% to 40% construction progress.
On power projects just like on CPChem critical path runs through the piping account, and in all of those cases. In Power, we miss things. In the case of a CPChem, we've been very transparent with you guys in terms of the things that led to that write-down, most of which was outside of our – some of which was outside of our control.
I don't want to overstate that. So I don't think that even though we've got a dismal report here, obviously frustration in the outcome of those four projects, I would argue that the things that we've done, the changes we've made, the people we've got looking at these programs and projects give me greater confidence that we can perform as we expect.
So I don't necessarily agree that – and I may be putting words in your mouth, that we have a systemic problem with the fixed-price projects..
But David, since Q2, we've announced like – over $2 in problem projects?.
I understand that..
Okay. And then just to the guidance, if we look at your guidance kind of at the midpoint, it's $0.95. The power projects are $0.90-some. Just hope that doesn't seem conservative enough? And then also Biggs, may be a comment on the cash flow with problem projects? And I'll get back in queue..
Yes. So on the guidance, you're right. Last quarter, we set guidance that we felt like was a conservative level. Obviously when we did that, we weren't anticipating these particular project charges. They really fell outside of what we were considering, as I say, in that guidance.
Nonetheless, it was conservative with respect to everything else that we saw.
And so by taking down guidance now for the $0.89 plus a net $0.06 in the middle of the range for the effects of Summer and all these other variables, we think that we're left with a relatively conservative posture with respect to everything else for the remaining six months of the year.
So we feel comfortable with what we've reset it to, don't think it needs to go any further. We've tightened our range on the basis that we're now six months through the year, so the degree of variability on new book and burn and other things is – should be down for the rest of the year.
But that's really what drives our primary uncertainty of the range. What might take us to the top versus the bottom will largely be varied upon the rate at which we get new work in. We see new book and burn on the way. The question is, is it going to come in time to fully affect 2017 or does some of it fall over into 2018.
And on that basis then, we have a range..
And sorry, cash....
(22:32).
Plus or minus..
Cash flow for the year if any?.
Yeah, on cash, we've done well through the first half. The projects certainly will use cash and not generate for remainder of their project lives. But having said that, we think we're in a reasonable position to hold on to the positive working capital movement that we've had year-to-date. There will be fluctuation. We don't guide on cash.
So it will bounce around month to month and quarter to quarter. But I do not think that the lost projects will significantly interrupt what our expectations were for the year..
Let me make another comment and a little bit more color on where I was going. We have – we do review all these big projects on a routine basis. And we do have cold eyes or different lenses that look at them. And we do have significantly large other lump-sum projects in our backlog that are performing at or above our expectations.
I'd also remind the group that after we took the CPChem write-down, it has not had a tail to it. And we are on schedule to complete that job as we'd planned..
Okay. Thanks. I'll get back in queue..
Thanks, Jamie..
Our next question comes from Andrew Kaplowitz with Citi. Please go ahead..
Good afternoon, guys..
Hello..
David, so last quarter you mentioned you did expect to win some larger EC&M projects in 2Q and 3Q particularly in mining. Obviously (24:17) seemed to delay oil and gas FIDs, you kind of talked about that in the prepared remarks. But you did announce some mining work yesterday.
And the question that I would have for you is have you started to see some movement on projects, and do you still see second half 2017 backlog moving higher from here?.
I do, specifically for mining. We've had a few awards after the quarter closed in E&C that will help. But some of those projects are still moving to the right in 2017. But we're still in great position to win those projects, and I'm confident that when they reach final FID, we'll move forward.
But we're just seeing delays in terms of making those FID decisions in the oil and gas sector..
Got it. And then just following up on Jamie's commentary, like I would agree that comp (25:18) projects for Fluor are not systemic. But I would also – I would focus on power for a second.
And, David, you've been at Fluor for a long time; when you look at the power business, rarely has it been a highlight and a lot of times it hasn't even been a positive, David. So, maybe you can talk about that.
I know you talk about (25:38) in power, but how confident are you that these big changes can make power contribute like EC&M does or like the government business does? How do you get power up to standards, I guess, for Fluor?.
Well, historically, it has provided good profitability for us. I mean, Oak Grove, LCRA, I mean, I can list dozens of projects that have been very positive. But your point is well taken. In the aggregate, it drops pretty dramatically when you write off three projects like this. So I understand your point.
I think the other comment I'd make is that the power market is basically 100% – or not 100%, 90% fixed price. And we do have a good position in that and we do have great resources that are executing with excellence.
It's just a situation where I think we had a team that made some serious mistakes on four projects that all hit at one time, particularly when we bring in a new management team and they look at what they've been given. So I think we've got some work to do in terms of what that is.
But I would also, I think to your point, very few of our competitors have made their expected profitability on gas-fired power plants. And I would argue that our customers believe in a certain cost per kilowatt that does not exist.
So I think that everybody in the industry needs to kind of sharpen their pencil and look at this market through a different set of lenses..
Okay. That's fair. And Fluor has a relatively significant footprint in Russia in EC&M. As you know, sanctions have continued to get tighter here.
Do you see any risk of – on a couple of awarded (27:41) projects either getting delayed or even getting canceled, how should we think about that going forward?.
I'm sorry, Andy. You were really garbled in the beginning of that question. I didn't catch the first part..
Yeah. So I was just asking about your significant footprint in Russia in EC&M, projects like TCO obviously is in Kazakhstan. You've been (28:03) before.
So how do we think about the exposure going forward given increasing sanctions? Do we need to worry about that? Or have you talked to your customers around that?.
That's a great question. I would argue that today's rhetoric and sanctions and kerfuffles from a trade perspective are no different than they've been in the entirety of my career. The things that we're doing in Russia are not party to the sanctions because we're obviously not going to do those things. So it really hadn't impacted the work we're doing.
TCO is obviously a very large project that we're really focused on. In Kazakhstan, as you said, I really don't see anything relative to sanctions impinging upon that execution. But you know I mean, this is not a -- this is a common occurrence for us. I mean, we look at these sanctions that different countries provide.
And all the Saber has been rattled a little bit with Russia and China, and obviously some other places. We really don't see it impacting the projects that we see in front of us in terms of going forward or necessarily, the projects that are under execution. So I – it's much ado about nothing right now for us..
Thank you, David..
Our next question comes from Steve Fisher with UBS. Please go ahead..
Thanks. Good afternoon..
Hello, Steve..
Hi, David.
On the nuclear projects, can you talk about the tail of the wind-down there, I mean, is there revenue and cost, or just cost that you're going to be incurring? And what's the path for getting paid the $73 million as of June 30 on the receivables that you have there and how much of that changed at the end of the quarter?.
You know, from an account receivables standpoint, we'll get paid everything we're owed. I'm not concerned about that at all based on....
Is that directly from the customer or from Westinghouse through the bankruptcy process?.
I'm not sure I want to get into who, but I know from conversations I've had, and also from the fact that we have liens on those properties, that those companies are going to want to clear after comps that we'll recover that. On the wind-down, it will -- I mean our contract is continuing on with SCANA.
Obviously, we've had a significant decrease in volume there. And we did recognize not only the backlog, but also the earnings hit of earnings going forward on V.C. Summer in our current guidance. The hell of it is I don't think these projects needed to be canceled if people had done what they should have done originally.
Basically, you've got one – Summer, you've already got 1 reactor set, another one sitting on site. But I appreciate the financial realities that Santee Cooper was in as well as the result that SCANA ended up in.
But we'll continue to help them there, great relationship with the customer, but there will be a small tail to that over the next probably two quarters as we -- as I said in the prepared remarks, safely and efficiently shutdown that site.
On Southern, they -- we participated in different presentations with them last week as well as meetings this week about what their prospects are. I would argue that they're in different position, Southern and their partners than SCANA and Santee Cooper. But we'll see. They're going to be making their decision over the next month.
We've got again a great relationship there and we're actually making good progress on that site. And if it goes forward, I would hope that we would maintain the scope that we've got right now..
Okay.
And can you – since you talked about these mining awards, can you just maybe give us the aggregate size of what you have in hand or what's on the way, and if you're expecting backlog growth in the second half for the company overall, I don't know if you can confirm that, what does that tell you about directional potential for earnings next year, excluding all the charges of 2017?.
Well, on mining specifically. All we've taken in the backlog on the two major projects that I mentioned is the early work. So there is large second piece of the scope awards and were going to backlog in the probably in the third quarter and fourth quarter of this year. So I think that those projects will help us maintain backlog at its current level.
The real question is at what point do some of these oil and gas customers finally pull the trigger? As we've said, there are several large projects out there that we are bidding or participating in. And as I mentioned one, which I won't talk about yet, but one has passed the FID process.
So engineering services and the revenues and not being that big, but the revenues and profitability associated with that early design and EPs of the equation will start to burn in back half of the year for that. So we've got some work to do, but I think that as that impacts 2018, it's a little early to tell.
And the reason I'm hedging my bet is because as you've seen, these projects have moved to the right on the scale. And we have hope and we believe we know where it is, but again, we've seen a fickle market in terms of making these final decisions..
Understood. Thanks, David..
Our next question comes from Tahira Afzal with KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please go ahead..
Thanks a lot. So maybe we can talk about something positive, David, and lighten up the mood a bit..
Tahira, that would be a very welcome thing..
Okay. Good. So I know we've been tracking some of the oil and gas customers you have. And it seems like while some of the stuff as you said is pushing to the right, the fundamental economics and demand supply behind those remain fairly intact.
I know in the last quarter you really looked at petrochem as really being the place where you expect to see the more near-term activity over there, followed – and you're still a little hesitant on LNG.
I would love to get a sense if that's still the ordering and if you've see some positive movements around the LNG side in particular?.
Yes, I think petrochemicals and refining as well are things that will go first. I don't see upstream spending a whole lot of money in the industry as we finish this year. But I do think there are some large upstream developments that are kind of being dusted off by our customers because they're in a need of that capacity.
So I think as we get into 2018, 2019, we'll start to see upstream spend a little bit more than they're spending now. And that comment, excludes LNG. I think there's going to be a lot of study work on LNG, but I really don't think there's going to be a lot of projects go to the EPC phase this year or most of next year.
So I think we're just going to have to wait and see what happens. But I do see a pretty robust slate of opportunities in refining and petrochemicals..
Got it. And other refining ones still a little in the Middle East, David, I know there was some pretty bit opportunities there.
Are those still in the map?.
Yeah, they're still on the map, but we're also seeing some refining programs in North America as well as more activity in Asia..
Got it. Thank you very much, David..
Thanks, Tahira..
Our next question comes from Jerry Revich from Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead..
Hi, good afternoon..
Hey, Jerry..
David, can you talk about how the prospect list looks for your infrastructure business? I know you've been expanding the range of jobs that you're evaluating to be smaller jobs as well. Can you just give us an update on how that potential prospect pipeline looks in the U.S.
and internationally?.
Yes, it's growing dramatically. We've actually are starting to strengthen that organization because of the prospects we see. And it is all over the map. I mentioned the Southern Gateway project, couple of quarters ago; we announced the smaller project to North Texas. We announced the smaller project in South Carolina.
So I think that we were kind of bifurcating if you will the nominal smaller projects and looking at that from the regional perspective.
And I would argue that in the United States for us, it's very robust in South Carolina, Virginia, Texas, Nevada, Colorado and Utah as well as California because California has a fair amount of light rail programs coming.
And I think we're positioned to win one or two of those projects as they come out, but that's probably early next year before we see that happen. Some of the larger programs are – we're pursuing. And it's pretty much Western Europe, the United States. We're looking in South Asia with some partners down there.
But I think there's going to be a growth engine for us going forward. And we're just finishing some very large projects. The Horseshoe Project here in Dallas, very successful project and by the way, it was a lump-sum project. So I feel pretty good about infrastructure and what's going to happen.
I would caution though, the rhetoric we all hear from the press and where it emanates from, whether it's a federal government or state government. As you've heard me say, there is no such thing as a shovel-ready project.
But what I'm very eager to see is that at least the dialogue is around identifying in the United States, identifying the priorities and those priorities around toll roads, bridges, ports, airports fit well into our portfolio. And I think those things are going to bode well for us.
But I believe that our infrastructure group will continue to be a bright spot in our organization and continue to add to their backlog as we go through the next probably six quarters..
And David, there's been significant capital raised by financial sponsors who are talking about potentially putting it to work in early 2018.
Is that consistent with the pace of when you expect some of these projects to move forward? Are you seeing real benefit in terms of the opportunities for your business with the additional incoming capital?.
I think the capital is there. I agree with you 100%. I think the problem is, you got to look at the Purple Line in Baltimore. Project passed all the hurdles environmentally, financially, everything else and then the regulatory environment slowed it down and actually stopped it for a while.
So even though the capital is ready, some of the projects, I think, are at least to a point where you get to that next stage. I think the regulatory reform that the government is talking about has to come through before the timing of those things actually improve. And I'd put pipelines in that category.
If you look at pipelines that we're operating in right now, in one case it's waiting on the FERC permit and the FERC regulators aren't even seated. So no decision is being made.
So I think the Achilles heel for infrastructure spend in the United States is clearly on the regulatory environment and what the administration and others can do to flatten that and improve the schedules associated..
And David, as you pointed out, you've got a number of projects that are performing well.
I'm wondering if you could just talk about out of roughly $12 billion in backlog that's fixed price, can you give us a rough sense of the value of projects that you're monitoring closely that are at or below the performance threshold compared to history? Can you just give us a context? As you pointed out, we want to make sure we understand if there's a difference in the risk that was underwritten as part of the current fixed price backlog compared to what we've seen call it three-plus years ago..
Well, as I said, I've changed some organization, not just the power stuff. I've changed up some of the other organization and flattened it. And I can tell you that we're looking at all of our projects in making sure that we don't have issues. I would argue that the lion's share of our lump-sum backlog is performing extremely well.
And that's about as far as I really want to go with that. But we're improving our tools and systems. As I said, we've changed the review process to where there's more cold eyes review, and I feel reasonably good about where we are. I think I'd point you back to some of my comments on these power projects.
It's really contained in one segment of the power market. And as I said, all four of those projects were bid at a time when we didn't have good information on the new, first of a kind equipment, nor do we really have a good handle on the level of skill and number of craft employees that we would have available to us in some of these locations.
One of the projects in that power suite is operating extremely well. And the project team is being innovative, aggressive in terms of how they're executing, not the money associated with it. But again, I mean, I feel good about that.
In reflecting a little bit, there's not one company in our sector, segment, or whatever you want to call it that hasn't suffered some challenges and problems when markets are down, and I think that's historic. You can go back within Fluor a decade and a half ago, and we had a series of issues on embassies.
So I think that people get aggressive in terms of those down markets. And I think what we've done to change the organizational structure and things, temper that dramatically, and we'll continue to do so..
Thank you..
Our next question comes from Michael Dudas with Vertical Research. Please go ahead..
Good afternoon, everybody, and welcome aboard, Bruce. Good luck. And, Biggs, it's been a real pleasure working with you and I hope next quarter I can listen to the conference call with you..
Thank you for the comments. It's been great to work with everybody on this call..
Terrific. David, you mentioned....
Mike, can we talk about the Giants and forego the question you are going to ask?.
Well, I'd tell you, I wouldn't want – it will be a disappointing conversation given that we're going to be favorite to win the NFC East, but I will leave it at that. You talked about – David, you brought in – you pretty much changed the organization and management structure.
What is your expectations with all the changes? And how long do you think it's going to take to assess this power market, whether you're going to stay or go? And is that also trying to send a message to the client base that you need to like work with us a little bit here or else you guys aren't going to have any real power being built in this country over the next decade?.
Well, let's be specific. I said we were looking at the gas-fired power market....
Yeah. That's correct. That's what I mean..
And we were looking at it from a Fluor perspective. No messages to anyone intended, and if they took them that way, I apologize, because we're looking at ourselves in terms of what we need to do. I don't think it's going to take long.
I think that my expectation, and I've kind of coined this phrase, is flawless personal performance, and it doesn't mean I'm looking for perfection. But what it does mean I'm looking for is accountability and execution excellence.
And we started that process when we found the problem at CPChem and we're continuing to do those reviews and make the changes necessary so that we don't have a repeat of what we've had here. I can tell you that I get that we've dinged our credibility with you guys and we've got to rebuild that.
And I can commit to you that we're going to do everything we can to regain that trust. But I don't think it's going to take long for us to kind of right the ship based on these losses and continue to perform. As I said, we perform over 1,000 projects at any given time and the vast majority of them are performing at or above our expectations.
And, in this case, we had three bad apples and I'll go ahead and give Jamie her due, one was a double-dip in the apple bucket. And then we had one in infrastructure and then CPChem. I get where we are in your eyes and we've got some work to do to change that..
Do you anticipate Fluor as an organization giving – I guess, just looking to the second half of the year to kind of right, getting things set and ready to take advantage of what you anticipate as up markets, how quickly do you anticipate that we could start to see some cyclical recovery that will show up in the results going – not (48:17) 2018, but relative to where Fluor is standing today and how you've set things up and where the market is just about ready to reach out and grab this business (48:24)?.
Yeah. I think if we really start to see some of the FIDs in oil and gas in the last half of this year, I think 2018 is solid. Clearly, those things have long tails on them. So you'll start to see it build in 2018. The average project right now is a little – almost four years, three-and-a-half anyway.
So I think, as you say, I think we're kind of starting to see the signs of recovery in oil and gas for basically a long tail because they've waited so long. There's so many things that they have to do just to maintain their product mix that they've delayed that they're going to have to do.
And obviously, we're there to take advantage of that situation. So I kind of think 2017 – we've given you the guidance on 2017. So I wouldn't give you any more comments on that. But I do think, as we get to 2018, 2019, 2020, we should start to see an accretive EPS..
Thanks, David, for your comments. I appreciate it..
Thanks, Mike. And by the way I bet you dinner that the Cowboys beat you guys twice..
Just dinner? Done. You're on..
And we'll take our next question from Justin Ward with Wells Fargo..
Hey, good evening, guys..
Hey, Justin..
Good evening..
David, I want to build off your commentary around the hesitation in the infrastructure and even the pipeline side around customers having a lack of clarity on the regulatory front. If we look at your Chemicals & Energy & Mining segment, the new awards there in the U.S. essentially screeched to a halt after election.
So I'm wondering if you're seeing a similar hesitation in that segment around lack of clarity on the regulatory front as well..
I would say it's frustration. We're doing a pipeline for Spectra right now. And they've been waiting I don't know how long for the FERC permit. Well, after the election, all of the FERC commissioners were basically exited, and they haven't been repopulated.
So one of the frustrations I see, and this is kind of a political commentary, there's 2,200 – and you've read the same things I've read. There's 2,200 Senate candidates that have to – candidates have to go through Senate approval. I think the last count was 55. And you've got people like Elaine Chao in transportation.
You've got Rick Perry in energy, Rex in State. These people that we know and know well are sitting there twiddling their thumbs, so to speak, because we haven't been able – the government hasn't been able to give their team. So I think that is why you saw things screech to a halt.
And I don't see a whole lot of improvement until that phenomenon is behind us and the efforts that the administration are putting forth in terms of the regulatory reform actually see light of day.
A lot of good intent, a lot of good thought and strategies to people that I've talked to, including the folks I just mentioned, but until we get those things ,done you're not going to see these permits that are absolutely necessary to go forward actually awarded..
Okay. And so does that extend to the chemicals and refining piece as well. You talked about....
Not as much..
Okay..
Not as much, not as much. If you think about some of these projects, not only you have the State but you've got the Coast Guard, the Corps of Engineers, particularly on pipelines.
You've got different state municipality permits you've got to get for creek and river crossings, the type of methods of construction in terms of the Department of Transportation and some of these right-of-ways follow state and federal highway systems.
So there's just a lot of different moving parts there that are keeping these programs from going forward. And as I've said, I've got a great confidence that once we get those people in place that the right things are going to happen. But I can't predict Congress's performance..
All right. That's helpful. Thanks very much..
Thank you..
We'll take our next question from Andrew Wittmann with Baird. Please go ahead..
Thanks. I just want to get a little bit better sense on I guess the Vogtle nuclear project.
If you could tell us how much backlog is currently reflected in the backlog for Vogtle? And what maybe monthly burn rate is of that project?.
Well, they were basically equal projects, and you saw the award we put in and divide it by two would be the answer, the simple answer to that. I'll let you do the math though. I apologize, but I'll let you do the math. And the second part of the question was what? Sorry..
What was monthly burn rate that you're recognizing at Vogtle?.
We really don't go into that. I mean....
I think I look at it this way. We said that when we lowered our outlook, our guidance, we were putting about $0.06 in for the net effects of Summer and everything else.
So you can kind of figure that maybe the range is a little bit more than that for the impact of Summer and (54:48) but similar kind of effects, our contribution for Vogtle, but I wouldn't go so as far as to go start to make adjustments on that one. We feel pretty good about the opportunity for that one going forward..
Yes. Those are completely different situations between those two customers. And we just don't give – we're not going to give individual project information. We don't just do that, and I don't really want to go down that slippery slope..
Makes sense. And you're right. The PUC made it pretty clear that it's a different project than the other one. So there was a cash flow from investing, cash outflow of about $191 million in the quarter, Biggs.
Was that the second payment on your Chinese fab yard, or what was that related to?.
That's a variety of JVs. Those are more the normal operational JV. So we have the Chinese investment, $78 million still to be made. We'll see when that ultimately gets made, but it's not in our actuals to-date and it may get pushed out to the future..
Okay. There was also a cash flow item for $350 million. It looked like maybe some sort of prepayment that showed up. And I was just wondering if that was tied with specific project or no..
I'm not sure.
There was a growth in other – you're looking at advances?.
Yes, exactly..
Okay. Now once again, there's a variety in there as well, and I don't want to get into individual project ebbs and flows. There are so many. But getting advances is a good thing. We obviously strive to make that number as big as we can and stay as positive on the cash flow as we can through the life of projects.
But there's nothing specific that I would want to point out in terms of project cash flows in the quarter tied to one versus another. They're going to have so many variables, so many different projects involved..
Okay. Thank you..
We'll take our next question from Robert Norfleet with Alembic Global Advisors. Please go ahead..
Good evening, guys..
Good evening..
So, David, I'm a literally Redskins fan, but I will take your bet, same bet you gave Mike, but you've got to spot me a couple touchdowns on that..
No, no, no, no, no, no. No points, no points..
Quickly, David, I know Fluor has done a good job over the years of diversifying the portfolio, as you mentioned, especially in areas like life sciences, environmental, and other areas. But, I mean, do you feel like you, at this point, have the scale to compete for some of these larger projects? And I guess, maybe my questions boil down to this.
A lot of your competitors have been obviously pretty aggressive in the M&A side in terms of buying their way into markets.
And I guess my point to you is I mean, do you feel like you have the ability to win some of these bigger government-type projects with the existing platform you have? Or do you feel like you would need to go in and acquire other companies in order to be more effective in that market?.
I mean, other than Bechtel, I'm not sure who is bigger than us. And with regard to acquisitions or at least the diversification of those markets, flattery is always welcome because I think we've done a good job in creating the bandwidth to do just about anything.
I think in the government segment specifically we continue to partner with key partners and we'll continue to do so to broaden that capability. In things like infrastructure and some of the other markets, there are some pieces and parts that we're probably going to need to strengthen.
But I would argue that there is very few companies with the balance sheet that we enjoy and the breadth in terms of geography and industry and people – human resource to do just about anything. So I think that some of the acquisitions that you're speaking of that people are making are interesting, but I would argue that they're going to be difficult.
Acquisitions in this market are always difficult. You're dealing with cultures. You're dealing with people. And it's not like a manufacturing facility or a manufacturing company where you can sell off one manufacturing facility that doesn't fit the new strategy. These things deal with culture and individual capabilities of scale.
So we're going to continue to look at things that add to our offering. But I would say, we've already got the breadth to do just about any project that's presented to us that again meets our expectations in terms of risk and profitability..
Okay. Great And my last question just on V.C. Summer. David, I assume once the project winds down, it will have to be mothballed.
Can you kind of walk me through the process of how that works and what role Fluor could eventually play with that?.
Well, that's the role we're going to be playing. I mean, you've got the nuclear island that will have to be specially protected because of its NSSS qualities. That will be a fair amount of work to make sure that those pieces of equipment are protected. As I said, both reactors are on site. The other pieces of the project are less difficult to shut down.
And in some cases, some of it is done. Some of the power distribution pieces are already complete. So just making sure that those are protected is the game. I believe that -- I mean, we were over 3,000 crafts on that site and we'll be at probably hundreds to help them over the next two quarters..
Great. Thanks a lot..
Thank you..
That is all the time we have for questions. Mr. Seaton, at this time, I'll turn the conference back to you for any additional or closing remarks..
Thank you. And thanks, everyone, for participating today. Our results for this quarter are unusual compared to what we've historically been able to deliver, albeit with the challenges that we've discussed today. I think in this case, the problems we did discussed are unique to one business group at a specific point in time.
As far as what we see going forward for the remainder of '17 and into '18, we continue to see interest in our integrated solutions model, and we see green shoots in terms of the mining and oil and gas markets.
Even with the negatives of this quarters, I do believe that we're well positioned to grow and meet the expectations of you and our many shareholders and stakeholders. We greatly appreciate your support, and we wish you a good evening..
This concludes today's conference. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect..