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EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT
EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT 2015 - Q3
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Executives

Corey Whitely - Executive Vice President, Administration and Chief Financial Officer John Bedford - Vice President, Corporate Controller Farooq Kathwari - Chairman and Chief Executive Officer.

Analysts

Jessica Mace - Nomura Securities Brad Thomas - KeyBanc John Baugh - Stifel Todd Schwartzman - Sidoti & Company Jeremy Hamblin - Dougherty & Company Kristine Koerber - Barrington Research Cristina Fernandez - Telsey Advisory Group Justin Bergner - Gabelli & Co..

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen and welcome to the Ethan Allen Fiscal 2015 Third Quarter Earnings Conference Call. Now, I will introduce your host for today’s conference, Corey Whitely, Executive Vice President, Administration and CFO. Please begin..

Corey Whitely

Thank you, Andrew, and good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to Ethan Allen’s earnings conference call for our third quarter and nine months year-to-date ended March 31, 2015.

This call is being webcast live on ethanallen.com, where you will also find our press release, which contains supporting details, including reconciliations of non-GAAP information referred to in the release and on this call.

As a reminder, our comments today will include forward-looking statements that are subject to risks and uncertainties, which could cause actual results to differ materially. Please refer to our SEC filings for a complete review of those risks. The company assumes no obligation to update or revise any forward-looking matters discussed during this call.

Also joining the call today is John Bedford, our Vice President, Corporate Controller. After our Chairman and CEO, Farooq Kathwari, provides his opening remarks, I will follow with details on the financial results. Farooq will then provide further updates on our ongoing business initiatives before opening up the telephone lines for questions.

With that, here is Farooq Kathwari..

Farooq Kathwari Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

gross margins remained strong at 54.3% compared to 53.8%; wholesale gross margins improved despite major disruptions in manufacturing due to new product programs, while gross margins at retail division declined due to sale of floor samples and planned drop inventory.

Operating expenses also increased, particularly at our retail division due to strengthening of management and interior design associates. The overall environment is very promotional with our competitors offering products at large perceived or real savings.

In the fourth quarter, while maintaining our credibility internally and externally, we plan to be more aggressive in our promotions. Our advertising increased 7.3% during the quarter mostly at the retail division level. We are pleased – we continue to strengthen our capital structure.

During the quarter, we redeemed $129.4 million of the 5.38% senior notes. We also increased our dividend payment during the quarter by 20% compared to previous year and also further increased future corporate dividends by 16.7%. We also resumed repurchasing stock – during the quarter utilized $2.8 million for repurchase of our stock.

And this month, the Board increased the repurchase authorization by an additional 2 million shares taking the repurchase authorization to about 3 million shares. As we noted in the press release, our many initiatives are very important to our longer term growth of sales and profitability and we expect some disruption during the next six months.

We are adding strong product programs, freshening up our design centers, adding to our professional interior design associates of 1,500 and investing in our U.S. and other North American manufacturing. I will provide greater details about our plans after Corey gives a brief overview of our financial results.

Corey?.

Corey Whitely

Thank you. For the third quarter of fiscal 2015, consolidated net sales of $173.3 million increased 0.1% compared to the third quarter of fiscal 2014. The fiscal 2015 nine months year-to-date consolidated net sales were $561 million, an increase of 2.4% compared to $547.8 million in the nine months year-to-date of fiscal ‘14.

The consolidated gross margin of 54.3% for the third quarter of fiscal ‘15 improved from 53.8% the prior year third quarter. The retail segment net sales for the third quarter was 74.7% of consolidated net sales compared to 76.2% during the fiscal ‘14 third quarter.

This change, together with continuing discounts on clearance sales at retail and manufacturing inefficiencies and ramping up with the new products, negatively impacted gross margins. This was partially offset by an increase in wholesale sales and a decrease in inventory profit elimination.

The year-to-date gross margin was 54.4%, no change compared to the prior fiscal year-to-date period. Consolidated operating income for the third quarter was $9.2 million with an operating margin of 5.3% compared to $9.6 million in the prior year third quarter with an operating margin of 5.5%.

The year-to-date operating income was $47.4 million with an operating margin of 8.4%, compared with operating income of $45.3 million with an operating margin of 8.3% in the prior year-to-date period.

Consolidated adjusted operating income for the third quarter was $10 million with an adjusted operating margin of 5.8% compared to $12 million in the prior year third quarter with an adjusted operating margin of 6.9%.

Adjusted operating expenses in the third quarter increased $2.9 million over the prior year third quarter, primarily by increased advertising and additional expenses at retail.

Year-to-date adjusted operating income was $50.6 million with an adjusted operating margin of 9% compared to $49.4 million with an adjusted operating margin of 9% in the prior year.

Wholesale division net sales for the third quarter increased 1% and generated adjusted operating income of $14.5 million for an adjusted operating margin of 12.9% compared to 11.7% in the third quarter of fiscal ‘14.

Year-to-date, wholesale division net sales increased 4.6% and generated adjusted operating income of $50.6 million for an adjusted operating margin of 14.3% compared to 12.9% in the prior year period.

Retail Division net sales for the third quarter decreased 1.8% and produced an adjusted operating loss of $4.3 million for an adjusted operating margin of negative 3.3% compared to an adjusted operating margin of a positive 0.6% for the third quarter of fiscal 2014.

Year-to-date, retail division net sales increased 0.6% and generated adjusted operating income of $1.5 million for an adjusted operating margin of 0.3% compared to 1.5% adjusted operating margin in the prior year.

Total comparable written orders by the retail segment for the third quarter of fiscal 2015 decreased 0.4% compared to the third quarter of fiscal 2014, while total written orders decreased 0.7%. Year-to-date fiscal 2015 comparable retail segment written orders are up 2.5% and total written orders are up 1.6% compared to year-to-date fiscal 2014.

The retail segment undelivered backlog at March for 1, 2015 is up 1.4% compared to March 31, 2014. The retail segment operates a total of eight design centers in Canada and Europe. And the strengthening U.S.

dollar resulted in a decrease for the retail segment of 0.7% in both net sales and written orders and a decrease of 0.6% in comparative written orders during the third quarter. The company’s consolidated net sales for the quarter were negatively impacted 0.5%.

Our global retail network included 299 design centers at March 31, 2015, compared to 296 in the prior year. Independent retailers operated 155 design centers, including 97 international locations. This compares to 151 independently operated last year, including 90 international locations.

Our global retail network had a total of 105 international locations at March 31, 2015, and 98 in the prior year. For the third quarter, international sales accounted for 13.6% of our consolidated net sales compared to 11.5% in the prior year third quarter.

Adjusted net income for the third quarter was $5.3 million, or $0.18 per diluted share compared to $6.5 million, or $0.22 per diluted share in the prior year third quarter. Adjusted net income year-to-date was $28.9 million, or $0.99 per diluted share compared to $27.9 million or $0.95 per diluted share in the prior year.

Our adjusted results in the third quarter of fiscal 2015 exclude an impairment charge of $0.8 million and $3.7 million associated with the early extinguishment of our senior notes. The prior year third quarter excluded $0.7 million in international startup costs, a $1.6 million loss on the sale of real estate, and a $0.1 million restructuring charge.

Our normalized income tax rate for both the current and the prior year was approximately 36.5%. Please refer to our press release reconciliation tables showing the adjustments made to our results for all periods.

GAAP net income for the quarter ended March 31, 2015 was $2.5 million or $0.09 per diluted share compared with $5.3 million or $0.18 per diluted share in the prior year quarter. GAAP net income for the year-to-date was $24.5 million, or $0.84 per diluted share compared with $25.8 million or $0.88 per diluted share in the prior year.

Our effective tax rate was 35.5% and 36.5% for the three and nine months ended March 31, 2015 compared to 32.5% and 35.3% for the three and nine months ended March 31, 2014.

Our balance sheet remains healthy and we continue to strengthen our financial structure during the quarter now with 40% less debt than a year ago due to the early extinguishment of our senior notes.

On March 18, 2015, we redeemed the remaining balance of $129.4 million of our outstanding 5.38% senior notes, accrued interest at $3.2 million, and make-whole payment of $3.5 million funded with $61.1 million from the company’s existing cash balances and $75 million from our $150 million credit facility.

In connection with this early redemption, the company incurred a $3.7 million pre-tax charge consisting of the make-whole payment, along with unamortized balances of bond discount and other costs.

At March 31, 2015, there were $75 million outstanding under the credit facility together with $0.2 million of standby letters of credit, leaving $74.8 million of availability. The annual interest rate in effect on the credit facility is currently slightly less than 2%.

Our total cash and security at March 31, 2015 totaled $72.8 million, a decrease of $52 million compared to March 31, 2014 mostly due to our early redemption. Year-to-date, we also paid out dividends of $9.9 million.

The company raised the dividend by 20% in Q1 of this fiscal year and now again by another 17% as announced earlier this month taking the dividend to $0.14 per share. During the quarter, we resumed our stock repurchase program by utilizing $2.8 million to purchase 103,766,000 shares.

The Board of Directors this month authorized an increase to the stock repurchase authorization of 2 million shares taking the total open purchase reauthorization to about 3 million shares.

We plan to continue to enhance long-term shareholder return by investing into our infrastructure, payment of cash dividends, and by taking an opportunistic approach in the repurchase of our stock. Our year-to-date capital expenditures and acquisitions for fiscal 2015 totaled $19.5 million compared to $12.6 million in the prior year.

We expect total year capital expenditures of $26 million to $28 million as we continue to invest in new technology in the retail and wholesale segments, as well as incur capital expenditures related to improving and growing our design centers.

We expect total year depreciation and amortization for fiscal 2015 of $19 million to $20 million, inventory of $154.9 million increased as planned by $9.9 million for March 31, 2014. With that, I will pass it back over to Farooq..

Farooq Kathwari Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, Corey. As we have discussed, our focus is to aggressively implement many initiatives to position the company for growth. Developing products under the overarching umbrella are what we call classics. Ethan Allen has long been known as and continues to be known as America’s classic design brand.

Our classics include a range of designs from what we call romantic classics to casual classics, all reflections of good design, fashion sense, superior quality and good value. The offerings are being developed and introduced in phases. During Phase 1 last fall, we introduced new products and most fell under the umbrella of casual classics.

During Phase 2, we introduced products early this year under the umbrella of what we call romantic classics. These products are arriving in our design centers now and will be substantially delivered by end of May. We have a strong advertising campaign starting in June to launch these new products.

Our Phase 3 products also strengthen romantic classics and are planned to be marketed to consumers this fall. Focus on the North American manufacturing, most of the new furniture is being designed for and being made in our U.S. and other North American workshops.

We continue to invest in technology on expanding capacities in our manufacturing facilities. We continue to strengthen our design center network by adding to management, interior design associates and operational infrastructure.

During the last six months, between the company and our retailers, we opened new design centers, which are either new or relocated in Chattanooga, Tennessee; Las Vegas, Nevada; Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania; and Redding, California; and another 10 in China. Currently, we have 10 design centers in the U.S. under construction are about to start construction.

In addition, we have an aggressive plan to refresh the interior and exterior projection of our design centers. We continue to invest in technology at the wholesale and the retail levels.

In this regard, we are focused on advertising and developing the right platform to increase traffic to our website and also most importantly to increase our e-commerce business. We have a major campaign to increase our communications. The 328-page Muses book was launched last week.

This book is a major communication tool and we strongly urge you to visit our design centers to get a complementary copy in May. The Muses book was sent last week to about 2,000 of our associates and 3,000 to individuals whom we call influences in design.

In May, we are mailing out 4 million copies of our direct mail to customers and prospects, inviting them to visit our design centers to get the complementary copy of this very inspiring interior design book.

We believe this book will further enhance our brand from being known to being even more desired and help drive more qualified customers to our websites and to our design centers. And as I mentioned, this is very important. We plan to be more aggressive in our promotions starting in this fourth quarter.

We continue to also focus on improving stockholder returns.

In our April ‘14 press release, we provided a perspective that since we took the company public out for a management buyout, we have invested in capital expenditures of $737 million, including investment in retail and manufacturing properties and acquisitions; repurchased 18.3 million shares for $535 million; paid cash dividends of $345 million; and repaid over $300 million of debt.

During the quarter, we substantially increased the current and future cash dividend. And our objective is to continue to – and our main objective really is to continue to grow our sales and profitability. And as you also know, as Corey mentioned, the Board authorized to repurchase up to 3 million of our shares.

We are pleased that with many initiatives and as you know our vertically integrated structure provides us an opportunity to leverage our profitability with increase in sales. And that really is the focus. With this, I am pleased to open for any questions or comments. Alright, we are ready for any questions or comments..

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And our first question or comment comes from the line of Jessica Mace. Your line is now open..

Farooq Kathwari Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

Yes. Hi, good afternoon Jessica..

Jessica Mace

Hi, good afternoon.

My first question is I was wondering if you could tell us, in the context of your results for the quarter overall, if you can give us some color on how the new product is performing from Phase 1 last fall?.

Farooq Kathwari Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

Yes. In the Phase 1 last fall, the products that we introduced were more what we would call on the casual classics as you know. In that, most of the products are produced – are doing extremely well especially the upholstery products. The case products are soft – there are mixed results on those.

Those that are somewhat more modern have less of an impact. Those that are more classic is – are having better results. And that’s why as I mentioned, this focus on the classics for us is very important..

Jessica Mace

Understood.

And then as some of the disruption with regard to this transition has occurred, is there anything – has there been anything that has been a surprise or different than your expectations or has it mostly been as you expected going into this process?.

Farooq Kathwari Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

I think that from the operations point of view, from manufacturing, we have done extremely well. It's been positive in the sense that there is tremendous disruption, but our overall wholesale gross margins improved.

I think that’s where I have mentioned and I repeated a couple of times is really I think that our sales have been impacted because of the fact that we were competing against very high promotional activity and we are not the strong as we needed to be. If there is any surprise, it is the fact that we need to be stronger in that respect, Jessica..

Jessica Mace

Okay, great.

And then just finally, on the advertising expense, I think you said it was up about 7% in the quarter, was that in line with plans and could you give us any – just remind us for that advertising increased plans for the remainder of the year?.

Farooq Kathwari Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

Yes. Advertising, it was more or less on the plan, we have been somewhat careful of on not being extremely aggressive with all this sale of our – what you might call, the clearance sales and everything else going on. The advertising represents in the quarter about 5.5% of our sales versus 5.1% of sales in the previous year quarter.

So it was – it is higher in terms as a percentage of sales. Our objective really is that it should be between 5% and 5.5% of overall sales, but of course the sales have increased..

Jessica Mace

Great. Thank you so much for taking my question..

Farooq Kathwari Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

Thank you very much..

Operator

Our next question or comment comes from the line of Brad Thomas. Your line is now open..

Farooq Kathwari Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

Yes. Hello Brad..

Brad Thomas

Yes. Good afternoon Farooq and good afternoon Corey. My first question would be around everyone’s favorite topic, the weather.

And I think if you can just maybe give us a little bit more color on how much of an impact you think that had and maybe what some regions – how well some of the regions perform that didn’t have the heavy snow that you all had in the Northeast?.

Farooq Kathwari Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

Yes. Brad, as you know we didn’t mention about the snow, because I come to the conclusion that is weather is going to be off and on all the time. But for us, now that you have mentioned it, we were particularly held especially because we have a very strong presence in Northeast.

So our Northeast was impacted, both in terms of written and delivered and it also impacted our manufacturing in Vermont and in fact interestingly much more so in North Carolina which had very bad ice conditions.

So we – I would say that our retail delivered would – could have been to somewhat close to or higher than last year that would have had a positive impact on our retail margins and overall margins.

It’s very hard to quantify, but I would say that because of the issues of deliveries and hard to quantify how much of business we lost, but certainly we lost some the business because of the strong presence we have in Northeast, in Mid-Atlantic, both in manufacturing and retail, Brad..

Brad Thomas

Okay, great. And the follow up on your comments about promotions, I guess could you give us a little more color on maybe how significant of a drag you think that is that you are not being as promotional as your competition is.

And how much do you have to cut, how deep do you think that could hurt margins in the fourth quarter?.

Farooq Kathwari Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

Yes. I think it’s also a question of perception. It’s also reality and perception. As you know, we start with an everyday best price that’s a credible price. We have 1,500 interior designers out there who work with clients. They actually have clients.

And so we are always very, very careful about the fact of their credibility and the credibility of our clients. But having said this, for instance if you take a look at in April, you will see that we have been somewhat more aggressive, but I would say that we have also been very much, you might say carefully aggressive.

For instance, we have created what we call an umbrella sales for the month. It’s all of course on our website you can see it and creating what we call two drivers. One ends in the middle of the month and one ends in the end of the month. So I think previously we did most of the business towards the end of the month and by creating these urgencies.

And our philosophy before was that our designers and customers need time. But now we find that both customers and our designers believe that they need less time. So right now, we have given them about two weeks to close and we see that an impact already in April, it is having a positive impact.

It’s still early, but I believe that not having that sense of urgency during the months and even having what you might call putting some more products on sale had an impact on our overall sales.

But your question is might have – it certainly might have an impact on margins, but if we increase our sales our leverage is such that we have a more positive impact on the operating earnings than the negative impact of giving up margins at gross margin level..

Brad Thomas

Of course. And if I can just squeeze in one more about stores or design centers in the U.S., I think you mentioned a number that were under construction right now. Obviously, over the last few years, the number of stores you have had in the U.S. has come down, are we hitting an inflection point, do you think we will actually grow the U.S.

store count going forward?.

Farooq Kathwari Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

I believe so, too. We have – we are going back into markets, Brad that we gave up. About in the 1970s or so when Ethan Allen system was setup, we at that time one size store, about 15,000 square feet whether it was in Chattanooga, Tennessee or it was in Washington or New York.

But now of course, we found out that today, we don’t need 15,000 square foot stores in Chattanooga or Wichita, Kansas or many, many markets like that. So we are going back into those markets. We did close them in the last 10 years, 15 years. They were too big, immense amount of inventory. Most of them were operated by independents.

And as costs increased, it was hard for them to maintain these large stores. Now we are going back and you are going to see us go back into these markets like for instance, we just opened in Chattanooga. We opened one smaller one in Pittsburgh. We have larger ones in Pittsburgh, too. Then we have under construction Wichita, Kansas.

We just signed a lease in Toledo, Ohio. We are looking at many, many markets like Savannah. So I think what you are going to see us go back into the markets. And as far as the number of the stores are concerned, yes you are going to see it, but really still my perspective is we need to make sure that stores are in right places and of the right size.

Today, we can do more business in smaller stores because of the fact of our technology, our designers and the fact that – and customization..

Brad Thomas

Okay. Thank you, Farooq..

Farooq Kathwari Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

Thanks Brad..

Operator

Our next question or comment comes from the line of John Baugh. Your line is now open..

Farooq Kathwari Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

Hello John..

John Baugh

Hello. Thank you, Farooq. Thank you, Corey. Could we dive into the retail EBIT loss for the March quarter and maybe understand a little bit better where that’s coming from, it sounds like sales at least domestically were down a little bit.

And then how, maybe you see your comment about a little more aggressive promotional activity affecting that and whether or not we are done with clearance samples, etcetera? Thank you..

Farooq Kathwari Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

John, if you take a look at our retail sales, you can see that our retail sales were down – our delivered sales were down of about to almost 1.8%. And that has an impact that – it also – overall gross margins were somewhat lower and our operating expenses in the retail division were higher.

That reflected in the operating loss that you see a 4% loss in – we have a great leverage. All we needed was 4% or 5% or 3% more deliveries.

And some of the deliveries are also impacted as I said by – due to weather, but the difference between 4% operating loss and making 3% or 4% does not require a lot of top line because of the fact of covering all of our expenses.

So, those are the two factors that reflected with somewhat lower sales, little less gross margin, higher operating expenses resulted in a 4% operating margin..

John Baugh

And how do you see clearance sample sales, flow of products that’s still heavy in terms of new stuff? How does that influence margin over the next say six months or so?.

Farooq Kathwari Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

The gross margin will most probably be a little bit lower, but an operating margin is going to reflect the amount of sales we do. I think some – as I said the focus on important, somewhat higher sales takes care of those – that lower margins that we get due to selling of this discontinued product..

John Baugh

Okay.

And the inventory is that for the June launch primarily? Is that the build or something else?.

Farooq Kathwari Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

No, the inventory we were – we have been somewhat – our inventory position has to some degree been under control.

If you take a look at our inventories even going back 3 years back, you take a look at – and I am looking at Corey, you are in a different office inventories today are about the same they were in 2012, but we increased inventories the last 2 years, because they are somewhat lower.

And also John, our inventories – I would say that if our sales should have been higher, we should have delivered more products. So, inventories would have been lower. So, I think that as we go forward, our inventory is in good position.

We do have this clearance product, but the inventories give us an opportunity of delivering the product in the fourth quarter..

John Baugh

And my last question I guess is around – I heard your comments of sort of having two monthly events as opposed to one. And that’s certainly a form of being a little more aggressive and I presume it’s little more advertising expense or what have you, but I guess I am curious about the comment of being more aggressive.

In general, will you be putting a broader percentage of your product line on sale or a deeper discount as well or will it all be more or less cleverly disguised, so there is not much of a change in price as just that you are going to be promoting say twice a week of sale as opposed to – excuse me, twice a month as opposed to once a month? Thank you..

Farooq Kathwari Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

John, all the things you said, that’s what we are going to do..

John Baugh

Okay, super. Good luck. Thank you..

Farooq Kathwari Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

Alright, John..

Operator

Our next question or comment comes from the line of Todd Schwartzman. Your line is now open..

Farooq Kathwari Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

Hello, Todd..

Todd Schwartzman

Hi, good afternoon guys..

Farooq Kathwari Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

Yes, hi, Todd..

Todd Schwartzman

Hi. Just interested to know about your approach towards courting younger consumers whether it’s Gen X, Gen Y, Millennials, the steps that you are taking to win these type of younger consumers.

For example, how did focus groups or other forms of market research factor in the design of those 600 new products that you have rolled out already?.

Farooq Kathwari Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

Good question, Todd. We do some research, but also as you know, we have a built-in research of 1,500 interior designers who work very, very closely with us in terms of products.

Now, the question that you are raising is really an important question that is how much should we be focused on expanding our reach to designs that perhaps you may think are going to be more attractive to younger people like, for instance, more of the modern.

We have come to the conclusion that we need to stay more closely with our brand, which is a classic brand, whether it is on the – more on the, you might say the romance on the formal side or the casual side. Because that’s what our brand is, that’s what we are known for.

We – to go and expand our reach to become more modern, I am talking about modern in terms of products, not attitude is something that I – we have come to the conclusion through focus groups and through our own people is not something wise for us. Other people are doing it.

Now, when we talk of younger people, it’s all relative – it’s more of an attitude than age, but when you talk of people who are let us say in the 30s with younger families, they generally are – some of them like what we do, but others are more in that age interested in buying a more of a disposable products.

When they buy Ethan Allen, it is somewhat more serious. It’s something that you are going to keep for longer term. If those folks are interested in buying something that while the children are young children are growing up, we find that those folks are today buying a lot of products from those kinds of sources than us.

So far when they graduate in terms of their interest and design, in terms of quality then they come to us. And that’s what our research has told us, Todd..

Todd Schwartzman

So, a 30-year-old of today, for example, does it concern you or are you maybe just trying to paraphrase what you just said and maybe a little indifferent as to whether the 30 year olds of today even want America’s classic designs?.

Farooq Kathwari Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

No, I don’t – I think that they do want that classic design. The question is of quality. The question is of at what level they want. The good news is that folks over 30, 10 years back are now 40. The folks who are 30 today, 5 years back will be 35. The good news is lot of these at this age people do come and graduate to us.

And that’s really where we are getting when the people who are first-time buyers, but really people come to us when they purchase something else and they have sort of – it has – it had its use, then they come to us..

Todd Schwartzman

And in terms of the advertising mix, have you changed at all the proportion targeted at the first-time buyer?.

Farooq Kathwari Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

We have because most of that is really more in our digital mediums. And what you are going to see is you are going to see us we have increased our digital advertising.

And as you move forward, lot more is going to be there, because today when we talk of everybody, it doesn’t matter what the age is, 5% to 90% of the people first visit our website because the website is today the windows, then they come to our stores. You are going to see us become more aggressive. We have increased our digital advertising.

You are going to see us more aggressive in digital advertising and also Todd, which we have – we don’t have an option, but to get more people to our website and even through that process get them into our stores, our design centers and also do more business on e-commerce. So, you are going to see more of that.

You are going to see us become more aggressive..

Todd Schwartzman

And what about currency in fourth quarter, is the headwind becoming a little stronger?.

Farooq Kathwari Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

No. In the third quarter, we had the impact, as Corey mentioned, but in the fourth quarter, it is not – we don’t see any issue – I mean there is no change relative to the third quarter, certainly, some change in the fourth quarter.

It really was the Canadian dollar and the euro that impacted us and mostly the Canadian dollar and we have taken some price increases in Canada. We couldn’t take – this was a 25% increase in the dollar, U.S. dollar versus the Canadian dollar.

We couldn’t take a 25% increase, but we did take a 15% increase so that we are able to counter some of the impact that we had in the third quarter..

Todd Schwartzman

Okay.

And I just wanted to get clear on the distinction between Phase 1 and Phase 2 of your latest reboot, what’s actually going on?.

Farooq Kathwari Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

Yes..

Todd Schwartzman

So, aside from the casual focus, I think you have highlighted that characterized Phase 1 and now second phase little more classic in nature.

What are the other differences?.

Farooq Kathwari Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

No, actually, it’s a lot more classic. If you for instance go, take a look at – I do not know if you have received, Todd, our Muses book..

Todd Schwartzman

Just got it today. Yes, thank you..

Farooq Kathwari Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

Okay. If you look at it, the first section of that – the first – there are 10 Muses, and the 10 Muses represent great elements of design. And the first muse is really focused on the – what we call the new classics that we are just introducing. In fact, they are just going to our design centers.

And if you go and take a look at it, these are really you might say a formal classics with a lot of gold and silver gilding. And all of that done – in fact, all of these products was made – are being made in our U.S. facilities, in North Carolina and Vermont. Now this and if you take a look at it, it is quite a bit different than anything else we have.

The second – the third phase is going to also be formal but is going to be much more towards what you might call a European attitude, still classic but somewhat more relaxed and in terms of its attitude and that will come to our design centers in the summer and the consumer launch in the fall.

Between these two, I think we are going to be extremely well positioned in our – the more, you might say the more formal. But keep in mind today the formal has to be relaxed. It has to be customer friendly. So if you look at the book, you will get a very good perspective of what we have just introduced which is just getting into our design centers..

Todd Schwartzman

And you have talked quite a bit Farooq about the sell-off, so the floor samples, what about the new products, are there any introductory pricing offers planned?.

Farooq Kathwari Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

There are..

Todd Schwartzman

Can you talk a little bit about that?.

Farooq Kathwari Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

Well, we started in June. Basically as I said, we are going to be – we got to be careful how much the margin we give up, but you are going to see us become somewhat more aggressive, because today we have two. But we have to get that message across.

And in our new products, they are going to be messages of savings and it’s going to – for the new products and start in June, the one that the new classics..

Todd Schwartzman

And starting in June, will the products on sale rotate monthly or how will that work?.

Farooq Kathwari Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

I think that you are asking me to give all the strategies, Todd. But I would tell you this. What you are going to see us, like in April if you take a look at our April, we have got to – we cannot keep it completely – it’s got to be somewhat of a surprise even to our own associates not only to the consumers.

But if you look at April, April is a good example of our showing being much more aggressive. In April, for instance, we ended with a finance promotion, a very strong promotion which ended on the19 of April. We also ended one more, what we call the driver. We took some of our products and ended it the middle of the month.

And now we have two other product lines that are going to end at the end of the month. So this gives two weeks of urgency, two weeks of products on sale. Now these are not our total programs, but we believe that you require today need to have that kind of urgency – to create an urgency and also create real savings.

And that – those are the kind of things you are going to see us have as we move forward..

Todd Schwartzman

It sounds good. Thanks a lot..

Operator

Our next question or comment comes from the line of Jeremy Hamblin. Your line is now open..

Farooq Kathwari Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

Yes. Hello Jeremy..

Jeremy Hamblin

Good evening. Thanks for taking my questions.

So just a quick follow-up then on the commentary around gross margins and the promotional plan, you previously stated that you thought the second half of the year gross margins would be similar to the 54.4% you did in the first half of the year and you did 54.3% in this quarter, should we assume that there is maybe a little bit more downside now on those gross margins for Q4 and if that is the case, would you still say the same as what you did before the kind of 53.8% that you delivered in the December quarter is kind of the low end of what you might think you could do?.

Farooq Kathwari Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

Jeremy, I think that you got to operate within the range. And I think the range that you have mentioned is all reasonable..

Jeremy Hamblin

Okay, great. And then a follow-up question, really on capital structure and Corey I want to make sure I understand this.

So with the refinancing of your debt and where you have your current levels, it looks like your annualized interest expense would be about just a little over $1.5 million or less than $2 million in total with the current debt outstanding, is that correct?.

Corey Whitely

Yes, Jeremy, that’s correct. It should be a little under $2 million..

Jeremy Hamblin

So with your stock where it is and the flexibility to borrow significantly more money and cash, would you consider – you historically are not or at least certainly in the last few years, you haven’t really done much in terms of share repurchases to give money back to shareholders and provide value on that end.

But with the stock here, with a plan that’s ambitious and that you are hoping is going to do really well moving forward in a company that’s still making a lot of money, why wouldn’t you be a lot more aggressive in utilizing that new capital structure and the low cost of your debt to either buyback a ton of shares I mean with the extra $75 million that you could borrow, you could almost deploy your entire plan in the next year if you wanted or in the form of some sort of a special dividend, why would you not do something like that?.

Farooq Kathwari Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

I mean I would tell you why. We are running the business that has got to take care of ups and downs. You folks don’t have to worry about that. The great decision came and if we didn’t have the cash, we didn’t own the properties. I don’t know whether we could have made it.

So I have got to think about the cyclical nature of the business, but still having said that I mentioned to you that people were surprised of the fact that over the last few years we purchased 18.3 million shares for $535 million. Now we also – I also said that we have continued to increase our dividend, increase by 16% and additional 20%.

We also said that we have been authorized to purchase 3 million shares, so we are going to take a look at – we don’t authorize this without having the ability to buy it. So we are very aggressive when it makes sense. But we are just not going to do everything in one quarter or two quarters and jeopardize the welfare of this business..

Jeremy Hamblin

Great. Yes.

I don’t think – I am not suggesting that you would do it that quickly, but it sounds like that opportunity exists to potentially be more opportunistic and...?.

Farooq Kathwari Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

I understand, but we thought it was our judgment that has to make sense that we don’t jeopardize the welfare of this business. We have been very, very aggressive in what we have done in the last few years. And it continued to increase dividends. We even gave a special dividend a couple of years back.

We will continue to do that, but still keeping in mind and understanding the cyclical nature of the business and we are not going to do something in the short-term and jeopardize the welfare of this company and our stockholders..

Jeremy Hamblin

Okay. And one quick follow-up on that, in terms of working capital, which has been also a little bit of a drag on cash so far this year to the first three quarters, it looks like about a $33 million drag I calculate on working capital and inventory actually only accounts about half of that.

Is there anything structural that would make me think that should continue or would you recapture some of that in the fourth quarter or in the next several quarters whether it’s through accounts receivable or some of your payables and so forth, how should we be thinking about that on the working capital side?.

Farooq Kathwari Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

Well, Jeremy I think Corey can add to his, but as we have been somewhat aggressive in our capital expenditures, we expect going to spend about $28 million or so this year. We have, to some degree somewhat increase our inventories and our receivables increased a little bit but not a lot of that is because of our increase in our wholesale business.

So I think that from of working capital perspective, I do not see us increasing our inventories to any degree higher than what we have. And that our capital expenditure this year has been somewhat higher due to the fact of our renovating a lot of our design centers and also putting in a fair amount of machinery and equipment in our manufacturing.

Corey, you have to add anything to that?.

Corey Whitely

Yes. That’s pretty good, Farooq. Certainly, as we build more cash through earnings, our working capital will continue to grow. So I don’t see that there will be a continued drag on it. We have an opportunity to increase it..

Jeremy Hamblin

Great. Thanks for taking my questions and best of luck..

Farooq Kathwari Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

Alright. Jeremy thanks..

Operator

And our next question or comment comes from the line of Kristine Koerber. Your line is now open..

Farooq Kathwari Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

Yes, hello, Kristine..

Kristine Koerber

Hello, good afternoon. A few questions. First, following up on the promotional activity, do you think that stepping up your promotional cadence kind of puts you on the path for increased discounting over the long-term. And clearly, it doesn’t appear that the environment is going to get any better.

And I was just – I was always – I just thought that you have always been concerned about hurting the brand basically trying to compete on price. And it seems that’s what you are doing. And just trying to get a feel for, was this just a couple of quarters.

I mean, what are you thinking longer term as far as promotional activity?.

Farooq Kathwari Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

Kristine, it’s a good question because when we see around what is taking place. And lot of it some is real savings and lot of this is of savings, perceived savings when people everyday are up 40% to 50% off. And the fact is that consumer looks at it. Consumer sees all of this.

And when you look at department stores, when you look at furnitures, you look at every commodity unfortunately it’s the disease out there. Now, when we talk of increasing our promotion, it is relatively – for us, it’s still relatively small. We are talking – we are not talking of going into the levels that everybody else is around.

We are also very, very cautious of the fact of maintaining our credibility. And we are balancing it. It’s not an easy thing, but we are working very hard to maintain our credibility yet give people real savings and on the other hand also be careful about what impact it has on our margins.

So, to answer your question, we are very, very careful that we don’t want to have our brand be negatively impacted by perceived to be in discounting. We are not going to do that. We are going to give sensible savings and it may have an impact of not having as larger sales in the short-term as we would have if we go in the larger discounts.

But again, as you said, that the short-term strategy, long-term, it could hurt our credibility and even our business. So, we are doing it very, very carefully..

Kristine Koerber

Okay, that’s helpful. And then as far as looking at the discounts of the promotional activity in Q3, can you give us some idea what the average discount was? Are you talking 25%, 30%? I mean, you have said you have been relatively conservative with the discounting..

Farooq Kathwari Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

Yes. We do not give discounts across the board, Kristine. We generally, if you think of it, most of it is ranges between 10% and 15% and some portion of it, 20%..

Kristine Koerber

Okay, that’s not significantly different than the past? The 10% to 15% is kind of where you have been?.

Farooq Kathwari Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

It’s just that it is – we have been – but we are putting more of the product at the 15% to 20% than we did before..

Kristine Koerber

Okay, that’s helpful. Thank you.

And then did you mention how much of the bump in advertising we are going to see in Q4 and how should we think about advertising spend beyond the June quarter?.

Farooq Kathwari Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

I would say that at this stage, we – our objective is to spend anywhere between close to – anywhere between 5% and 10% more in the June quarter than we did last year..

Kristine Koerber

And what did you spend last year?.

Farooq Kathwari Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

Last year, Corey, in terms of percentage of total sales in the fourth quarter?.

Corey Whitely

As a percentage of sales, I don’t have that number in front of me. It should be right about in that 5%, 4% to 5%. The numbers we just really give out at the end of the year..

Kristine Koerber

Okay.

And then where did the average ticket? Where is the average ticket trending?.

Farooq Kathwari Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

The average ticket actually went up about 3% last quarter to about $1,700..

Kristine Koerber

Okay.

And then lastly as far as the clearance merchandise, how much more do you have to work through at this point?.

Farooq Kathwari Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

We have – I can’t give you any of the dollar numbers. But as I have said in the next – another two quarters, this quarter and the next and the summer is going to be the main quarter, where we believe we will have most of activity of clearing it. We are making good progress.

But on the other hand, we also see that while we did all of those, our margins were impacted, but slightly. So, we are not being extremely aggressive in selling it off for a number of reasons. One is that we got to sell this product in line with the new products coming in.

So, as the products are before they come in, that’s when they sell the products that are in our design centers. So, I would say in the next – most of this will be done in the next – this quarter and the next quarter..

Kristine Koerber

Okay, great. Thank you..

Farooq Kathwari Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

Thanks very much, Kristine..

Operator

Our next question or comment comes from the line of Cristina Fernandez. Your line is now open..

Farooq Kathwari Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

Yes, hello Cristina..

Cristina Fernandez

Hi, good evening.

I wanted to see if you could tell us what percentage of the store base has now been renovated or refreshed if I recall correctly? At December, it was 70% to 75%?.

Farooq Kathwari Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

Yes, I mean, that’s – I have been doing a lot of traveling around in the last few months. We have what we have realized is we have got to do even more. We are now spending time in renovating the outside. Not major like we need to paint the design centers with the need to make sure our signage is right.

So, I would say that while the interior, which is what we were doing is in the 80% or plus range, we are now focused on also doing the exteriors as well, Cristina..

Cristina Fernandez

And is that going to be an increase in the CapEx or the investment spending or is it already within the realm of what you had contemplated previously?.

Farooq Kathwari Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

No, it’s in the realm of what we had contemplated, yes..

Cristina Fernandez

Okay.

And then my second question, are there any metrics you can share with us in e-commerce as far as how traffic to the website has been or how sales have been trending for that channel?.

Farooq Kathwari Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

Well, as you know, we don’t give a lot of that information out, first eyes are more confidential and the second one is our traffic, our e-commerce business is still relatively small. In fact, as I mentioned in my remarks, we are now ready. And the reason we are ready is this for a number of reasons.

3, 4 years back, our independent licensees and our designers, interior designers part of e-commerce as their enemy, but not anymore, because the reason what we have done is over the last few years, we have created almost a seamless experience.

All our e-commerce business is now processed through our retail network, because in furniture, you have got to deliver it. They have this service capability. So, we shared the margins with our retail network on all our e-commerce business. And they also then work with the clients. They even signed a designer.

So, we are now – and it’s taken us some time to make sure the logistics work, the technology works, but it is now seamless whether you buy online or you buy in our stores, we have made it so that our other retail network wants to do it. Three years back, that was not the case.

And that gives us now an opportunity that I can publicly say, which I would not have said three years back that we are going to be much more aggressive in e-commerce..

Cristina Fernandez

And when you talk about – sorry a follow-up, when you talk about being more aggressive, is it just on the marketing side or where else can – are you planning on doing to be able to capture more sales in that channel?.

Farooq Kathwari Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

Both. We are going to do both.

We want to increase our business on e-commerce keeping in mind that we don’t spend a lot of items at low prices, because we want people as much as possible to come to our design centers to work with our people, because on e-commerce, on higher ticket items, the returns are very, very expensive when somebody doesn’t like it.

We preferred them doing it. But on the other hand, people today, they want to buy e-commerce, they want to buy online. We have to be ready to do that, so you are going to see us do more to do both..

Cristina Fernandez

Thank you..

Farooq Kathwari Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

Alright, thank you..

Operator

And our next question or comment comes from the line of Justin Bergner. Your line is now open..

Farooq Kathwari Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

Hello, Justin..

Justin Bergner

Hi, Farooq. Hi, Corey..

Corey Whitely

Yes, hi Justin..

Justin Bergner

My first question is just a clarification question, what is the other expense in the quarter?.

Farooq Kathwari Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

Corey, go ahead..

Corey Whitely

The other expense in the quarter was the extinguishment of our senior notes of the costs associated with that..

Justin Bergner

Okay, thank you..

Farooq Kathwari Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

Justin, I mean the question earlier was raised about impact of this and that’s a good question. On the nine months basis – for nine months on a pro forma basis, if we were operating at the new interest rates that we have now or interest expense we have now, it would increase our earnings per share by about a little over 12%..

Justin Bergner

Okay, thank you for that.

Second question relates to this focus on classics, should one interpret the focus on classics is suggesting that the new eclecticism has not been as successful as you would have hoped?.

Farooq Kathwari Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

No, that is not the case. New eclecticism is really the idea of mixing products and mixing things. We still are working on it. What we are really talking of, this is our products, not the question on mixing them.

So initially, what we did was we basically focused on eclecticism, which you are referring to we are seeing how we can do a better job in mixing with what we had in terms of mixing styles, mixing fabrics, etcetera.

But now, what we are doing is we are adding a lot of new products and still of course, eclecticism that is mixing of these classics is very, very important..

Justin Bergner

Okay. Thank you for that clarification. And there is just one more question if I may. If I sort of back out the international sales growth, I am left with only about 1% year-to-date sales growth in your U.S. business. And I guess if that is the case, I am a little surprised to hear about the investment in new stores in the U.S.

sort of ahead of a sales acceleration as opposed to after sales acceleration, so I would just love to hear a bit more about how you think about that investment decision?.

Farooq Kathwari Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

Justin, we have got to do both. We have got to increase our store base and then we got to increase our sales in existing stores in new states. We can’t wait for store – sales increase then decide we are going to increase our stores. I think our sales increased, as I said, is dependent upon having the great – the right offerings which we do.

We have got a great network of designers and now we are going to also be aggressive in marketing and also make sure that we are able to promote our products even more so because that’s, in a manner that will get us more traffic.

We do that, I think that absolutely our focus really is we got to increase sales and we increased our sales, our structure, our vertical integration as such. You already see that our operating expenses for the nine months -- 9% of sales is pretty good. This is without having much increase in sales and increasing a lot of expenses.

I think the opportunity we have is leveraging by increasing sales. And that’s an opportunity we have and that’s what our focus is..

Justin Bergner

Okay, thank you.

It just seems like the same-store sales increase would come at lower investment for the company and it might be a decent precursor to see before putting more money to work in new stores?.

Farooq Kathwari Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

But Justin, keep in mind we would really – that’s what earlier question was why are we – I mean the comment was perhaps you should be more aggressive in new stores. We haven’t been. We have not been because we want to do more with what we have. Most of our new stores are relocations, to better locations..

Justin Bergner

Okay, thank you..

Operator

And I am showing no further questions or comments at this time..

Farooq Kathwari Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

Alright. Well, thanks very much. Any questions, comments, please let us know. And of course Corey is available and good to have you on the call. And I am glad we had a lot of good questions. Thanks very much..

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating in today’s conference. This concludes the program. You may now disconnect..

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