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EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT
EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT 2015 - Q1
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Executives

Bill Cook - Chairman, President, CEO Jim Shaw - CFO, VP Tod Carpenter - COO Rich Sheffer - Director, IR, Assistant Treasurer.

Analysts

Charley Brady - BMO Capital Markets Eli Lustgarten - Longbow Research Kevin Maczka - BB&T Capital Markets Laurence Alexander - Jefferies & Company Brian Drab - William Blair & Company Brian Sponheimer - Gabelli & Company Richard Eastman - Robert W. Baird & Company, Inc..

Operator

Good day, and welcome to the Donaldson Company First Quarter Fiscal Year 2015 Earnings Call and Webcast Conference. Today's conference is being recorded. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Mr. Rich Sheffer. Please go ahead..

Rich Sheffer

Thank you, Don, and welcome to Donaldson's fiscal 2015 first quarter earnings conference call and webcast. Following this brief introduction, Bill Cook, our CEO, Tod Carpenter, our COO and Jim Shaw, our CFO will review our first quarter earnings and our updated outlook for fiscal 2015. Next I need to review our Safe Harbor statement with you.

Any statements in this call regarding our business that are not historical facts are forward-looking statements and our future results could differ materially from the forward-looking statements made today.

Our actual results may be affected by many important factors, including risks and uncertainties identified in our press release and in our SEC filings. Now, I'd like to turn the call over to Bill Cook.

Bill?.

Bill Cook

Thanks Rich and good morning everyone. In a few minutes, Tod and Jim will cover the details of our first quarter results and our updated outlook for fiscal 2015. But, first I would like to offer some summary comments. As noted in our release, conditions in our very diverse end markets continue to be mix.

Many of our OEM or first first-fit equipment end markets remain challenged particularly the global mining equipment market, and more recently the North American and European agricultural equipment markets. The Chinese construction equipment market also continues to be very weak.

And we have not yet seen a rebound in our first-fit dust collection market globally. While there are some specific differences in the dynamics of each of these end markets, one common threat is that all are dependent on new CapEx investment which continues globally to be very weak.

While we obviously can't control new CapEx investment by our customers or theirs, what we are doing in all of our first-fit markets is utilizing our stream of new technologies, introduce new products which are allowing us to take share today even given the current market conditions.

These CapEx dependent markets will recover and when they do, we will be in a much stronger position both on our customer's first-fit equipment as well as their replacement filter aftermarket annuity. As we've discussed before, today over 50% of our revenues are replacement filters. This is a dramatic transformation from where we were 20 years ago.

Almost all of our replacement filter businesses are doing well for two reasons.

First, while as I mentioned new equipment CapEx investment remains weak, the better news is that the equipment that's out there in the field, whether it’s a dust collector, an excavator or a heavy truck, they're being utilized and they need to be regularly maintained, thereby generating a need for our replacement filters.

In addition, we continue to gain share as a result of all the new first-fit systems, we've installed in our customers' equipment over the past five years. We also continue to make investments in distribution centers; field sales people, more products, all of these are allowing us to gain business in previously underserve markets and regions.

So our aftermarket businesses in both engine and industrial are really the heroes in our first quarter offsetting the weakness in many of our first-fit markets as well as the foreign currency headwind. With all of these puts and takes in our end markets, we were able to deliver 2% local currency growth this quarter.

Not what we had planned when we started the year, but when you peel back all the parts of our company, you can still see that the model - our model in diversification continues to work well. While we like to obviously see a CapEx related rebound soon, we aren’t waiting for it or for of our first-fit equipment markets to recover.

As always, we'll continue to manage our cost structure while feeding our growth opportunities.

Given our strategic plan of growing to $5 billion in fiscal 2021, we are continuing to make the significant long term investments in our business, especially in the areas of technology, market presence and new growth initiatives, all of these will pay big dividends for us down the road.

I’ll now turn the call over to Tod, for a review of our first quarter sales.

Tod?.

Tod Carpenter Chairman, Chief Executive Officer & President

Thanks, Bill and good morning. Our first quarter sales were $597 million essentially even with last year's first quarter. Foreign currency translation had a 2% negative impact at the consolidated level, however, the impact of FX varied by region.

For example, our European businesses had a 4% negative impact, while our Asian businesses had a 2% negative impact. As a reminder, you can find a detailed analysis of currency translation by business unit and region on the Investor Relations homepage of our website. The rest of this review will discuss local currency first quarter results.

Sales in our engine product segment increased 2% over the prior year. Our on-road OEM sales increased 17% globally. North America and Latin America on-road sales grew 19% and 23% respectively due to increased build rates of new trucks. Europe grew 33% in the quarter mainly due to our increased share on the newer Euro 6 trucks now in production.

We continue to see strong conditions in our Europe aftermarket where we supply replacement – in our engine aftermarket, where we supply replacement filters through both our OEM and independent distribution channels. Our engine aftermarket sales increased 9% in the quarter with solid growth in all of our major regions.

We attribute this growth to the combination of our market growth initiatives and improving equipment utilization in the field.

We are continuing to see strong replacement filter sales growth in developed markets from our OEM customer dealer organization and are also benefiting from our increased aftermarket penetration with independent dealers and distributors in emerging economies.

Our engine aftermarket is one of our earliest cycle end market and the improvements we have seen over the last few quarters, provides evidence that diesel equipment in the field is being used at an increasing rate generating the need for more maintenance including filters.

This higher utilization of equipment in the field will in time result in improving demand for new equipment. We see data supporting this in the on-road heavy truck and construction equipment markets although at different rates regionally.

One new area of relative softness we saw in this quarter was some inventory destocking in the agricultural service channel. We expect this to continue until the spring planting season.

Our off-road OEM sales decreased 16% due to a slow down in end market demand for new agricultural equipment in both Europe and the America, and the continued soft mining and construction equipment demand in Asia Pacific.

Based on our customers forecast, we believe the mining equipment market will remain at the current low levels throughout our fiscal year and that demand in the agricultural equipment market will continue to soften through our fiscal 2015.

Finishing my review of our engine products business, our aerospace and defense sales decreased 15% as the slowdown in defense spending for ground-based military equipment continued this quarter. Also impacting the year-over-year comparison, were sales from a Black Hawk Helicopter program that peaked in last year's first quarter.

Switching to our industrial product segment, sales were even with last year’s first quarter.

Our industrial filtration solutions business - in our industrial filtration solutions business, our sales increased 1% as good levels of manufacturing activity along with our aftermarket focused growth initiative, continued to drive record demand for replacement filters for our Torit dust collectors.

Our global double digit aftermarket growth in our dust collection business was enough to offset continued weak manufacturing capital spending levels in North America, which has dampened demand for our new industrial dust collectors. In our Special Applications business, our sales increased 2% on an increase in our disk drive filter sales.

Offsetting the increases in industrial filtration solutions and special applications was a 9% decline in our gas turbine business. As we've previously discussed, our gas turbine business is what we describe as lumpy.

That is – this is a project based business with large systems where the timing of shipments can be adjusted due to the readiness of a project build site to take delivery.

This lumpiness impacted our first quarter as we had some large projects that was scheduled to ship in our first quarter, rescheduled by our customers and they are now scheduled to ship in our second quarter.

We also saw this lumpiness impact our new acquisition within the gas turbine market in Northern Technical which had sales of less than $1 million in the quarter due to the timing of shipments. We continue to expect a solid contribution from Northern Technical over the balance of our fiscal 2015.

In summary, our diversified portfolio provide exposure to many different end markets and regions that typically are cycling up or down at different times.

This quarter solid growth from our engine aftermarket, dust collection aftermarket, and OEM on-road businesses offset weaker than expected conditions in our OEM off-road business, shipment delays in our gas turbine business, and an unexpected 2% headwind from foreign currency translation.

I’ll now turn the call over Jim Shaw for his comments on our operational metrics and our outlook for fiscal 2015.

Jim?.

Jim Shaw

Thanks Tod, and good morning everyone. Our gross margin this quarter was 35%, down 80 basis points from last year's first quarter. As we noted in our press release, there were a few items impacting our gross margin this quarter.

Lower fixed cost absorption from lower production volumes in certain of our markets and geographies compared to last year resulted in a negative 130% basis point impact.

Other investments, such as our new distribution center in Slovakia and integration of our new acquisition in the gas turbine market Northern Technical, had a negative 20 basis point impact. On the positive side, we benefited from a higher percentage of replacement filter sales which were 57% in the current quarter compared to 54% last year.

In many of our end markets, the utilization of existing equipment in the field is good and that helps our replacement filter sales which carry a higher margin. Overall, product mix had a positive 20 basis point impact on gross margin.

In addition, our ongoing continuous improvement initiative benefited our gross margins by approximately 50 basis points compared to last year. Our operating expenses increased by $10 million compared to last year's first quarter. As a percentage of sales, operating expenses increased by 160 basis points.

Higher cost associated with employee salaries and benefits, incremental expenses related to our global ERP project, and higher travel expenses associated with our growth initiatives and increased customer visits with a primary driver of the increase.

As a result of the decrease in demand we are seeing in certain of our end markets and geographies, we have implemented cost control initiatives to reduce our expense levels for the remainder of the year from our original fiscal 2015 plan.

Our lower gross margin and higher operating expenses resulted in a 240 basis point decrease to our operating margin in the quarter, which was 12.9%. Looking forward, we expect our full year fiscal 2015 operating margin to be between 13.9% and 14.7%.

Contributing to the decrease is an expected $5 million to $6 million of higher cost for our global ERP investment in fiscal 2015 compared to fiscal 2014. We successfully finished our implementation in the Americas earlier this month and are beginning to implement the new system in Europe with the first go-lives there scheduled for February.

In addition to our ERP project, we are planning to make a number of other sales growth related investments this year for which we will spend an incremental $4 million in fiscal 2015. Our effective tax rate was 27.6% in the quarter versus 32.2% last year.

Last year's first quarter included $2.1 million of tax expense primarily related to an intercompany dividend, while we had a favorable shift in the mix of earnings between tax jurisdictions in this year's first quarter.

Based on our projected global mix of earnings for fiscal 2015, we are continuing to forecast our full year tax rate to be between 27% and 30%. Our first quarter CapEx was $27 million. Looking at our forecast for fiscal 2015, we expect to spend between $90 million and $100 million on CapEx over the full year.

The break down of our CapEx spending is projected to be approximately 25% for our technology initiatives which include our global ERP project and our R&D lab projects, another 30% is for tooling for new products, 30% related to cost reduction activities through our continuous improvement initiatives and 15% related to capacity expansion.

We expect depreciation and amortization will be between $70 million and $75 million in fiscal 2015. Free cash flow was $22 million this quarter which was impacted by the increase in inventory associated with the large number of gas turbine orders we expect to ship in the next two quarters.

For fiscal 2015, we expect full year cash flow from operating activities to be $275 million to $315 million and with our forecast of CapEx we expect to generate a $175 million to $225 million of free cash flow this year. We repurchased 3.3 million shares or 2.3% of our outstanding shares in the first quarter for $144 million.

We anticipate repurchasing upto 4% of our diluted outstanding shares in fiscal 2015. We expect interest expense in fiscal 2015 to be between $14 million and $16 million and our balance sheet remains very strong with $268 million of cash and short term investments. Now I'd like to provide some comments on our updated outlook for fiscal 2015.

Our first quarter results have shown that conditions in our OEM first-fit equipment end markets remains mixed, with some improving, some stable and some weakening. Conditions are much better for aftermarket sales, as we are seeing continued strength and demand for replacement filters in both our engine and industrial segments.

Based on the outlook in our press release, we are now forecasting sales growth of 1% to 5% in fiscal 2015. This range is 3% lower than our initial outlook with the majority of the 3% decrease attributable to foreign currency translation, as a result of the strength in dollar.

In our engine product segment, we forecast full year sales growth of 0% to 3%. In our OEM end markets, we expect to see continued improvement in North and Latin American and European truck builds, and Northern Latin American construction equipment builds.

We have lowered our expectations for new agriculture equipment builds, compared to our initial outlook. In addition, new mining equipment builds are expected to remain weak.

Demand for aftermarket products is forecasted to remain strong, as utilization rates of equipment that is in service remains good and we continue to successfully execute our strategic growth strategies.

We believe there has been some inventory destocking through the service channel serving the agriculture equipment markets, that we forecast will subside by the time spring planting begins. Finally we continue to expect mid-single digit growth in our aerospace and defense group.

The defense portion is expected to remain weak but we continue to see better prospects for growth on the commercial aerospace side of the business.

In our industrial product segment, we are still forecasting sales to increase between 5% and 9%.We expect gas turbine sales to increase 25% to 30% in fiscal 2015 as the industry rebounds from the pause it experienced in fiscal 2014.

We typically have six to eight months of visibility in our gas turbine business, so we have a reasonable degree of confidence in our forecast based on orders we've received, plus projects we are quoting on with our customers. This forecast does include Northern Technical's forecasted sales of $17 million to $20 million.

We are expecting industrial filtration solution sales to increase 1% to 5%, sales of replacement filters have been at record levels and we expect them to remain strong. We anticipate seeing some modest growth in new filtration system sales, as manufacturing capital investments slowly improves.

In addition, we are expecting to benefit from the first quarter launch of new product lines that should support our topline growth plans.

Finally, we forecast for special applications to be at steady in fiscal 2015, as we anticipate sales increases of our integrated venting solutions and semiconductor filters with slight decreases in disk drivers and membrane product sales. As previously mentioned, we are forecasting our operating margin to be between 13.9% and 14.7%.

As we disclosed in our press release, we anticipate incurring approximately $5 million of restructuring charges related to the closing of our muffler plant in Grinnell, Iowa. We also expect to record a charge of approximately $4 million in our second quarter related to pension lump sum settlements.

Neither of these charges are included in our operating margin outlook I just mentioned. In total, we expect our EPS to be between $1.77 and $1.97 excluding the restructuring and pension settlement charges. The midpoint of this new range represents a 6% increase over fiscal 2014.

Based on this guidance, we are expecting mid single digit sales growth in the remaining quarters of fiscal 2015. Our operating margin is expected to be roughly even with our prior year in our second quarter before increasing in our third and fourth quarters.

As a reminder, as you update your models, our second quarter operating margin is normally our lowest of the year due to seasonal holidays causing the fewest shipping days of any quarter for us. In addition, we have almost half of our annual stock option expense occurred in our second quarter, so about $5 million.

So in total, we are anticipating our second quarter operating margin to be between 11.8% and 12.3% and EPS to be between $0.35 and $0.39. As a reminder, last year second quarter included a $6.2 million tax benefit related to a favorable settlement of an audit. So with that, I’ll pass it over to Bill who will discuss some of our growth initiatives.

Bill?.

Bill Cook

Thanks, Jim. And as mentioned earlier, we’ve continued to make the key investments in our business to support the long term objectives outlined in our strategic plan. Our plan is a compilation of the very detailed plans by business and region that support our sales targets of $3 billion and then $5 billion in revenues.

As a result of our plans, we have number of very focused initiatives underway today that will help us grow overtime regardless of the global economic environment. I’d like to take a few minutes to highlight a couple of these initiatives. And the first is with emerging economies such as Latin America, Southeast Asia, India, China, Eastern Europe.

We have entered these regions more recently, and as a result our businesses there are still small and our current market presences are lower than they are in North America, Western Europe, or Japan, each of which we’ve been in for decades. The other way of saying this, is that we’ve got very significant regional opportunities for growth.

So in our targeted emerging markets, we are continuing to add sales resources, parts to our product line, distribution capabilities, distributors, and OEM customers. We have determined overtime that if we have good sales people and local product availability, we can grow our aftermarket businesses and we continue to do this all over the world.

For example, in our engine aftermarket business we added 67 new distributors and over 460 new part numbers in the quarter. Another key part of this growth model is our continued investment and our own distribution capabilities.

During the past quarter we opened two new distribution centers, one in Peru in August, and another in Slovakia, at the end of October. By having more of our product available locally and supported by local distributors and sales people, we will draw our business.

The Peruvian distribution center will help us grow faster in Peru and it’s neighboring countries. And the Slovakian distribution center will help us grow our Central and Eastern European businesses. So how are our emerging economy initiatives working? Generally, very well.

For example, local currency sales in our Latin American business were up 20% in the quarter, India was up 27%, and Southeast Asia was up 17%. While the absolute sales numbers are still relatively small, the growth percentages are large, and as a result each of these regions will become much larger part of our company down the road.

Another of our key growth initiative is the utilization of our technologies to help better solve our customers' filtration issues. One of our most successful technology introductions over the past decade for air filtration has been PowerCore.

As a company, we invest centrally into R&D and then leverage our new technologies into as many different customer applications, and as many of our businesses as possible. And we are now very successfully using the newest generations of PowerCore in both our Engine and Industrial segments.

Our Engine PowerCore sales in the quarter were $37 million, up 11% over the last year. We had great growth of PowerCore replacement filters which increased 15% in the quarter. We now have a number of new PowerCore programs generation two technology going into production with our OEM customers.

On the Industrial side of our business, we launched our forth PowerCore product in our Torit dust collector line, this one called the VL Series. The VL is targeted at capturing fibrous dust in applications such as grain handling and textile, pulp and paper manufacturing, all of which have traditionally been collected by baghouse collectors.

In total, across the current Torit PowerCore product family, we sold another 370 new systems in the quarter. And in addition, the sales of our Torit PowerCore replacement filters for those systems already in the field increased 25%. So in total, our company’s PowerCore sales totaled $43 million in the quarter, up 7% over the last year.

PowerCore isn't our only new air filtration technology, as we’re now launching our complimentary product technology called PowerPleat. PowerPleat will also provide improved filtration system performance and a 20% space savings while protecting our customer's replacement filter business.

We've already won four programs with PowerPleat with production starting at fiscal 2015. And one last new air filtration product introduction we mentioned is our new Downflo Evolution, or DFE, cartridge collector.

While Torit PowerCore is revolutionizing the baghouse market, we believe that our new DFE will do the same to the current cartridge collector market. The DFE is the next generation of technology bringing improved pulsing technology into a 40% smaller collector as compared to existing collectors in the market.

Reception has been very strong as we’ve received 44 orders since we launched this product in the September, and shipped our first eight systems in the quarter. As these new DFE's collectors are put into service, we will also be able to protect our aftermarket.

And last but not least, I would like to give you brief update on our liquid filtration growth initiatives. Our liquid filtration sales increased 6% in the quarter. Our new select diesel fuel filters which use our innovative Syntech XP media have now gone into production as our OEM customers began launching their new Engine and equipment platforms.

Other recently launched product lines that use this Syntech media include our new hydraulic and bulk fuel product lines. And while sales of these last two are still relatively small, they generated 27% growth in the quarter, so we are off to a very good start.

So in summary, we've had many new product releases recently, which are bringing enhanced value to our customers. Market reception to all of these has been great.

Our goal is always just to remain the technology innovation leader on our markets to better meet our customers filtration needs, and to provide ongoing growth opportunities for ourselves and value creation for our shareholders. Don, that concludes our prepared comments. We'd now like to open the call up for questions..

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] We'll go first to, Charlie Brady with BMO Capital Markets..

Charlie Brady

Thanks. Good morning, guys..

Bill Cook

Good morning, Charlie.

Charlie Brady

How much can you quantify the gas turbine shipments - slippage in the quarter?.

Jim Shaw

Charlie, this is Jim. Compared to our initial estimates, it’s about $6 million to $8 million of sales that we anticipated initially this quarter that are now into the second quarter..

Charlie Brady

Okay.

And can you quantify what the liquid filtration sales were in the quarter?.

Rich Sheffer

Two seconds, Charlie. This is Rich. Total liquid sales were a little over $120 million in the quarter..

Charlie Brady

Okay. And one more on your -- you said you're adding capacity.

Where are you adding capacity? What product lines, in terms of your CapEx explanations?.

Rich Sheffer

It’s more regional. So, we're in the process right now of adding a plant in Poland, which will support our growth in Eastern Europe and also address them of our capacity needs in Europe as we continue to grow there over the next several years.

So, that's one, and then the other capacity is distribution center related that Bill mentioned in Slovakia and Peru..

Bill Cook

And we're also adding, Charlie, some production capacity in existing plants for technologies like PowerCore to bring more of that production into more regions as the businesses there are growing..

Charlie Brady

Great. Thanks guys..

Operator

We'll take our next question from Eli Lustgarten with Longbow Securities..

Eli Lustgarten

Good morning, everyone..

Bill Cook:.

Eli Lustgarten

Can we talk a little bit about the change in outlook in the engine division? You brought the forecast down to slightly up.

I understand, I assume 2% of that is currency, but can you talk about the various mix and how far down are you forecasting the ag business to be? I assume mining is relatively flat, but can you give us some insight of where the weakness is and the magnitude of the decline?.

Tod Carpenter Chairman, Chief Executive Officer & President

Yeah, Charlie, this is Tod. So let me just do a walk through the markets. As you said, mining is in our outlook going to continue at the current low levels. We have transportation being strong in North America, and as we roll that up globally about - between 8% to 12% up for us, we have construction modestly up, so low-single digits, 2%, 3%.

But the big change for us in this outlook is really in the ag markets. So ag, we have down between 25% and 35%. Now that maybe a larger piece, a larger number than, for example, you’re used to from a customer standpoint of view, but for us it’s more of mixed explanation.

So within the larger row crop type of products, our products carry a higher average sales price, so hundreds of dollars versus in the more stable portion of the ag markets which would be dairy and small farms, where our pricing is more about $25 to $30.

Additionally, in the row crops where we’re feeling a lot of pressure across the market, we also have our emissions-based business. So when you roll all that up for us due to the reduction outlook in the larger pieces of equipment on the first-fit side of ag, that’s the reason why we have ag coming down between 25% and 35%..

Eli Lustgarten

That's realistic actually. Most of the companies have been underestimating, and the decline is going to be at least that big, so I have no problem with that. Can you talk about with that mix change, you're still relatively holding profitability in the business.

Is that because the after-markets are strong and making up for the shortfalls in the OEM stuff?.

Jim Shaw

Yeah Eli, this is Jim. So it's sort of a mixed story in terms of some of our plants. Some of them are operating very robustly, especially those serving the aftermarkets where Tod, just mentioned certain aren't. So it’s a combination of us adjusting here, so we are having to adjust some our spending levels in terms of discretionary spend.

But then also because some of our plants are shared, the aftermarket is helping to offset some of the weakness in terms of the absorption..

Eli Lustgarten

Okay. And one final question. We talked about the shift over to gas turbine. If I do the math right, it looks like you've taken the gas turbine outlook ex the acquisition, towards the lower end of your ranges before.

At least that's what it looks like to me that is there some slippage in gas turbine? I don't mean first quarter, second quarter, but some being pushed out into 2016 at this point? Or is this just the way it looks? Because that looks like it should have been a little bit stronger than what you're showing..

Jim Shaw

Yeah, Eli you’re reading it correctly. There were a couple of projects that we had originally scheduled in our fourth quarter that we’ve now just determined there’s too much uncertainty, they are related to some locations in the Middle East that are going through turmoil.

So we’ve taken a couple of those projects out of our forecast which is the reason for that..

Eli Lustgarten

Okay. Thank you very much..

Jim Shaw

Thanks..

Operator

We'll take our next question from Kevin Maczka with BB&T.

Kevin Maczka

Thanks, good morning..

Bill Cook

Good morning..

Kevin Maczka

Just to clarify that comment on ag from Tod, the 25% to 35% decline, that's you're speaking directly to the OE portion, right? That's about 5% of sales.

Not the after-market portion, or both?.

Tod Carpenter Chairman, Chief Executive Officer & President

We have seen both. So we have seen destocking across the service channel. And we experienced that within the quarter. We see that continuing the softness within the agricultural aftermarket piece until spring when planting season comes back, but really we’re driven mostly because of our first-fit business in that outlook..

Eli Lustgarten

Okay, got it. And can I ask a question about margins in the second half? On a year-over-year basis, your operating margins were down in the first quarter. You're suggesting down in the second quarter as well. But the full year then, of course, implies that you have a nice lift in the second half.

I know there's continuous improvement activities happening, productivity initiatives.

Can you just talk about what are some of the drivers, given this lower revenue outlook that still give us comfort that margins will be up significantly in the second half?.

Jim Shaw

Yeah, Kevin, this is Jim. As we entered this year we were obviously hoping for a little bit better result in terms of the topline this quarter.

So as we - we're in the middle of this quarter, took a look at some of those sales forecast, we have began to adjust some of our more discretionary type spending and personnel within the plants to adjust to the new levels.

You won’t see that full effect of that quarter-over-quarter from first to second because of some of things I mentioned in terms of the second quarter generally being a little bit softer we - having the option expense some other things.

But as we get to third and fourth quarter with the sales increases, we do anticipate and we typically do see a picked up seasonally for our third and fourth quarter, those volume should get our margins back to what we were operating at the end of last year..

Eli Lustgarten

Okay. And if I can just sneak one more in, on industrial filtration, down slightly in the first quarter, we're guiding 1% to 5%. But the comps get much harder in the second half of the year.

If we don't have a CapEx recovery, like it sounds like you're not banking on, how do we get that acceleration in that business unit?.

Jim Shaw

This is, Jim. A big piece of that is the gas turbine growth. So we’re $30 million roughly this quarter, as we get to second and third quarter that number is going to about double. So that’s the big piece of it. And then we do anticipate the benefit of some of the new products we've launched in the industrial side to benefit.

And then I think there is some level of recovery that we do foresee within the dust collector business just based on some of the quotes and some of the backlog we see..

Eli Lustgarten

Okay. Jim, I was speaking specifically to IFS, within the industrial segment, so not to the gas turbine piece.

So you're talking more about new products and dust collection and others that give you that confidence?.

Tod Carpenter Chairman, Chief Executive Officer & President

Yeah, that’s correct. So we recently launched new products just two months ago that are really receiving nice acceptance across our markets. And as we continue to push those out through the year, we have seen a nice conversion rate on the quotes. So as we look forward we have a more positive outlook in our dust collection business..

Eli Lustgarten

Okay. Thank you..

Operator

We’ll take our next question from Laurence Alexander with Jefferies..

Laurence Alexander

Good morning. Two questions.

First, can you help us with the destocking that you're seeing? In the past when you've seen these kinds of destock cycles, how would you benchmark the sequential trends that you might see once the destocking ends? So not so much when will you see the destocking end? But when this happens, what do you see as a reasonable bridge? And secondly, with the PowerCore and other new technology platforms, is the rollout of additional platforms likely to also lead to an acceleration in the growth rates? Or how should we think about the impacts of rolling out additional technologies?.

Bill Cook

Laurence, Bill here. I’ll try to take both of those, or start on them. On the first one, destocking, let me - I guess the short answer is, it always depends on sort of certain characteristics of the market.

I think what we’re seeing right now and as Tod and Jim mentioned on the agriculture side is, given what’s happened to the new equipment and that market generally is that there’s been a pretty major pullback in terms of production and in the channels in terms of inventory levels.

Part of that is also a function of the fact that - and some of our customers who have their own parts distribution systems have their calendar year ends coming up, so that’s sort of on top of that.

So I think our expectation on that is that, that we'd continue through our second quarter, and then as we get close, our third quarter which starts in February that we'd start to see that come back.

Typically, that usually comes back, it can come back like a bull whip, very strongly depending on how the utilization equipment is in the field, that there's restocking in addition to the satisfying the utilization needs. So I guess - we think that’s going to continue for ag through the second quarter and then come back in the third.

On the introduction of new technologies, it’s sort of evolutionary in the sense that we have to get these new PowerCore systems for our engine OEs, not only have to win them but then have to go through the development cycle on their equipment. So it’s usually probably two years after we win it before it goes into production.

So a lot of the wins that we have now are still not slated. If we got them this quarter, then some of them are out to or calendar year 2017. But it’s one, and so when it goes into production, then we get the advantages of both that improved first-fit, greater first-fit business as well as the aftermarket retention.

So it continues to build every quarter. That's why we like to talk about the PowerCore numbers over the quarter in terms of - to show and demonstrate that it is building..

Laurence Alexander

Thank you..

Operator

We'll go next to Brian Drab with William Blair..

Brian Drab

Good morning, Bill, Tod, Jim..

Bill Cook

Good morning, Brian..

Brian Drab

First on the gas turbine, when you look at the orders that are set to ship in the fiscal second half of the year, how are the margins on those orders compared with the longer-term corporate average of around 14%?.

Jim Shaw

This is, Jim. In terms of the overall margin, they're going to have a little bit less just due to the nature of them being large project sales, but generally I think it really comes down to the difference between our first-fit and aftermarket sales.

But they're inline to maybe just a touch lower than our overall corporate average when you take into account their generally first-fit versus replacement parts which we say on average are replacement filter sales have 100 to 200 basis points better margin..

Brian Drab

And clearly, with the big step up in the second half of the year, you're saying the first-fit, we're going to lean a little more toward first-fit than after-market?.

Jim Shaw

Correct..

Brian Drab

Okay. And then the revenue guidance, Jim, you talked about the currency headwind. So we went from 4% to 8% to 1% to 5%. I want to make sure I understand the components in the bridge from the previous guide to the new guide. So I think Northern Technical adds a little less than 1 point in fiscal 2015. Currency, that's about a two point headwind.

And then the other two points of headwind comes from end markets and order timing.

Is that about right?.

Jim Shaw

The currency is actually more in the lines of 2% to 3%, and then the other piece is sort of a combination of both some positive and negative. So Tod talked about the impact of ag, but then our aftermarket we're actually even a little more optimistic there than we were.

So those kind of offset each other a little bit, so it’s really currency a little bit of negative on the ag from where we started, net of those other things and then Northern Technical being added in..

Brian Drab

Okay. Thanks. And just one quick modeling item.

Do you have the end-of-quarter share count for us? The end of the first-quarter share count as opposed to the weighted average?.

Jim Shaw

Yeah, it was $141.1 million..

Brian Drab

And just to be really clear, that's the diluted count?.

Jim Shaw

Correct..

Brian Drab

Right, okay. I guess that's all I have for now. Thanks a lot..

Operator

[Operator Instructions] We’ll take our next question from Brian Sponheimer with Gabelli & Company..

Brian Sponheimer

Hi, Bill. Hi, Tod. Thank you for having me on..

Bill Cook

Good morning, Brian..

Brian Sponheimer

Just a question, going back to gas turbine, when you say six to eight months of visibility, and you called out a couple of projects based on geopolitical turmoil, that may not be in fiscal 2015.

What's the impact do you think overall, from lower energy prices? And does that put some risk potentially into your July quarter?.

Bill Cook

Brian, Bill here. I think that lower energy price is probably would have an impact we think further out in that. I think we’re pretty confident in terms of the backlog that we see through the end of the fiscal year.

And as Jim mentioned, we are being a little bit cautious just given what’s going on in the Middle East, that’s how we took a couple of those projects where we have the orders.

But we don't think they’re probably going to be shipped just given the site has to be ready for them in the Middle East and we pushed those out until the next fiscal year or so. I think we're feeling pretty good about our forecast because these projects - our customer projects are all in flight already, so we think that they’re going to continue.

Energy prices, higher or lower, would have a longer term impact on the market..

Brian Sponheimer

All right, that's helpful. And then one on the buyback, was surprised to see you get as aggressive as you were in the first quarter. If you were to buy back 4% of your shares for the year, that gets you north of 5 million to 5.5 million shares, at around $225 million.

Why the cadence in the first quarter? Does that affect your decision for the remainder of the year, let's say, if shares were to continue to slide here a little bit?.

Bill Cook

Yeah Brian, Bill. I think - as we talked about in the past, maybe just take a look at the share buyback, first we have a consistent philosophy around it. So we're always trying to buy back shares. So we look at it in two tranches. We're always going to buyback enough - say, roughly 1% is a new option, aren’t dilutive.

And then we're more opportunistic above that. So I say generally the first quarter of the year we try and go for that 1%. Right, this quarter we did more than that. That’s not - we've done that before. I think we just given our cash deployment strategy and where we saw the stock we thought it was a appropriate thing to do.

As Jim mentioned, we're looking at for the full year a range between, up to 4% since we’re above 2% now. And we’re not committing to do the whole 4%, but that’s - we're operating within the range from where we are today up to that 4%..

Brian Sponheimer

Okay.

I apologize if I missed it, but what was the average price that you bought back shares during the quarter?.

Jim Shaw

This is Jim. It was $40 - Rich is looking for it..

Rich Sheffer

Yeah, it’s $40.30, Brian..

Brian Sponheimer

Okay, all right. Thank you very much, I appreciate the color. And good luck with the Minnesota winter..

Jim Shaw

Thank you. This is Jim, I’ll add one other - to Brian's question earlier, I think I misspoke, I said 141.1 in terms of diluted share count, it's 140.1.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] We’ll go next to Richard Eastman with Robert W. Baird.

Richard Eastman

Yes, good morning. Jim, could you just -- I'm listening off-site.

Did you say that currency for the full year was, in the guide, was minus 2%?.

Jim Shaw

It was 2% to 3%. So as we looked at our revenue year-over-year, it was probably more on the lines of the 3% in terms of the impact compared to our original guidance..

Richard Eastman

Okay, okay.

And in the original guidance, you had 0% essentially? Correct?.

Jim Shaw

Well, in the original guidance we assumed the exchange rate at the time which the Euro was in the $1.35 type range, and now it’s just adjusting to newer reality. So that was based on the exchange rate at the time..

Richard Eastman

Okay, okay.

And then, Bill, could you just maybe just roughly, when you speak to emerging markets, and we have some of these initiatives in India and Peru and the ones mentioned, what percentage of Donaldson sales do you bucket into emerging markets, just about?.

Bill Cook

Rick, it’s about 20%, right now..

Richard Eastman

Yes.

And then, again, with the strategies mentioned and the upwards on the distribution side, the part numbers, you lead in those emerging markets with the aftermarket business, correct?.

Bill Cook

Right..

Richard Eastman

Okay.

And then just one last thought, in the IFS business, what percentage of that business in terms of total revenue, is now replacement sales?.

Rich Sheffer

In IFS, it's right now running about little over 45% of our sales, Rick..

Richard Eastman

Okay, okay, very good. All right, thank you very much..

Bill Cook

Thanks, Rick..

Operator

It appears there are no further questions at this time. I’d like to turn the conference back to Mr. Bill Cook, for any additional remarks..

Bill Cook

Thanks, Don. Just to conclude our call, I’d like to thank everyone on the call today for your time and continued interest in our company. I’d like to thank my fellow employees for their efforts during the first quarter. So thank you all and have a great day. Good bye..

Operator

This concludes today’s conference. Thank you for your participation..

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