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EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT
EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT 2021 - Q1
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Operator

Welcome to the First Quarter 2021 Cedar Realty Trust Earnings Conference Call. As a reminder this conference is being recorded. At this time, all audience lines have been placed on mute. We will conduct a question-and-answer session following the formal presentation. I will now turn the call over to Jennifer Bitterman. Please proceed..

Jennifer Bitterman

Good evening and thank you for joining us for the First Quarter 2021 Cedar Realty Trust Earnings Conference Call. Participating in today's call will be Bruce Schanzer, Chief Executive Officer; Robin Zeigler, Chief Operating Officer; and Philip Mays, Chief Financial Officer.

Before we begin, please be aware that statements made during the call that are not historical may be deemed forward-looking statements and actual statements may differ materially from those indicated by such forward-looking statements.

These statements are subject to numerous risks and uncertainties including those disclosed in the company's most recent Form 10-K for the year ended 2020, as updated by our subsequently filed quarterly reports on Form 10-Q and other periodic filings with the SEC.

As a reminder, the forward-looking statements speak only as of the date of this call, May 6, 2021 and the company undertakes no duty to update them. During this call, management may refer to certain non-GAAP financial measures, including funds from operations and net operating income.

Please see Cedar's earnings press release and supplemental financial information posted on its website for reconciliations of these non-GAAP financial measures, with the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures. With that, I will now turn the call over to Bruce Schanzer.

Bruce?.

Bruce Schanzer

Thank you Jennifer, and thank you all for joining us for the Cedar Realty Trust First Quarter 2021 Earnings Call.

Before diving into a discussion of our accomplishments for the quarter and significant activity since the end of the quarter, I would like to take a moment and recognize my Team Cedar colleagues who have continued working tirelessly with a commitment to collaboration and collegiality, as well as a dedication to everyday excellence.

In the first quarter and since our last call in February, we have accomplished a lot with positive progress continuing into this week as evidenced by the closing of a joint venture for the first phase of our Northeast Heights redevelopment, the closing of a $114 million financing that will address our 2021 maturities and the closing of the sale of The Commons in Dubois Pennsylvania for roughly $10 million.

For the first quarter, our collections were strong at nearly 96% with another 100 basis points of improvement in April. Our collections rate is now approaching pre-COVID levels with a bit more improvement hopefully to come.

This remarkable performance is a credit to the industriousness of my Team Cedar colleagues and to our decision many years ago to focus our portfolio on grocery-anchored shopping centers, which have proven to be ideal retail real estate assets.

Moreover, we are seeing leasing volumes pick up and positive leasing spreads, especially with our new leases. These are the green shoots we have been anticipating with the resolution of the pandemic, as our leasing pipeline has begun to build and deals are starting to get done. The economic tailwinds are real and palpable.

We anticipate significant growth in occupancy and NOI during this recovery phase and are keenly focused on execution to make sure the opportunity is fully exploited.

However, the attractiveness of the Cedar platform as it has come to be revealed during the pandemic period is not simply that we have grocery-anchored centers, which have proven to be resilient and that we have a team particularly adept at running these centers.

Rather, it is the fact that this stable portfolio of cash flow and shopping centers is complemented by a redevelopment platform that has advanced projects which are attractive to the most sophisticated institutional investors and represent significant sources of both potential value creation and diversification.

The joint venture announced yesterday with Goldman Sachs and Asland for the construction of the DGS office building at an estimated cost of approximately $150 million and is being financed with an approximately $105 million construction loan from JPMorgan is a prime example of how far we have come and the value creation opportunity now at hand.

The DGS building is the first phase of our Northeast Heights redevelopment project and sets the stage for the successful financing of the balance of this project. I know I speak for Gregg Gonsalves, our Chairman in acknowledging what a thrill it is to partner with our alma mater Goldman Sachs on this significant transaction.

I would like to thank Dan Alger and his team at the Urban Investment Group for their commitment to us and to this project. Similarly, I would like to acknowledge Jim Simmons from Asland for his invaluable assistance in getting the joint venture structured and closed.

Lastly, I'd like to recognize Roland Merchant and the JLL team for sourcing both the equity and debt and for their patient and able stewardship of this matter. Before concluding on the DGS JV, I would be remiss if I do not sincerely thank and acknowledge Robin Zeigler and the development team at Cedar for their incredible efforts.

Robin in particular is the individual who has driven this transaction from the outset. And it is due to her professionalism and energy, as well as her commitment to the cause of helping the local community that we were able to finalize the joint venture and get our Northeast Heights redevelopment project out of the ground.

And so, on behalf of Cedar shareholders, not to mention the citizens of Ward 7, I want to commend Robin for her efforts on this deal. Sadly Robin, we now have to actually get the building built, so there will be no rest for the weary.

In a similar vein, Phil Mays, our CFO, who I might add is approaching his 10-year anniversary with me at Cedar in a few weeks, did an outstanding job, getting our $114 million secured financing transaction closed.

As you might imagine, getting a secured loan on retail assets effectively placed priced and closed in today's environment with the backdrop of the pandemic was not a simple feat and we are thrilled to have it closed.

This secured financing sets us up well for refinancing our 2021 and 2022 maturities through a combination of loan proceeds, asset sales proceeds and a new bank facility.

It should be noted the valuations for our properties in connection with the financing is similar to the levels, at which we are seeing other shopping centers price in our markets in for-sale transactions.

For example, the assets that we financed were valued at a blended 6.7% cap rate and we're seeing other comparable assets, price for sale at similar cap rate levels within our geographic footprint.

Importantly, these are not properties with significantly depressed NOI, where the cap rate is artificially lowered because there is a lot of upside in the NOI.

Rather, this observable market dynamic is simply a function of the disconnect between the public markets and institutional investors on the one hand, who have a bearish view of retail and lump all retail real estate together; and the private investors and single-asset financing markets on the other hand, who recognize the extraordinary resilience of grocery-anchored shopping centers in particular, within the larger universe of retail real estate.

It is this backdrop that informed our willingness to place the Camp Hill Shopping Center under contract after receiving an unsolicited purchase offer, as you may have noticed in our filing for this quarter.

The contract is still in the due diligence phase, so we will have more to report on it if and when the transaction closes, which might be in the second quarter.

While we do not publish our NAV and will not be starting to do so at this time, I would note that applying a 7% cap rate to our first quarter annualized NOI would result in a value per share after subtracting debt and preferred of over $26 per share.

With the valuation described to our recently financed assets and the transaction activity we are currently observing, I certainly do not think a 7% cap rate is a stretch in applying a warranted cap rate for Cedar's portfolio today.

Rather what I do think is a stretch is that at our current share price of roughly $16 per share, we are being valued at over an 8% cap rate, which is wildly off market. Keep in mind, none of these cap rates or NOI figures capture the additional upside from our redevelopment projects.

I would conclude with a mention of our recent Board related announcement. As you may have seen we decided to reconstitute the Board by adding three new directors; Darcy Morris, Richard Ross and Sharon Stern, thereby, increasing the Board to 10 directors until our annual meeting in June.

At which time two of our incumbent directors Roger Widmann and Pam Hootkin will be retiring from the Board. This decision was made after significant reflection and was done in consultation with a number of our shareholders. We are excited to add Darcy Richard and Sharon to the Board and look forward to their contributions.

However, like many life transitions this Board reconstitution came at a cost since we are losing two of our long-serving directors Roger and Pam who have each given so much to our company. Roger and Pam are both paragons of integrity, industry and collegiality and they will be terribly missed.

I know I speak for my fellow directors as well as the entire team Cedar in offering my heartfelt thanks for their years of service and gratitude for all they have done for us. With that, I give you Robin to expand on our accomplishments to date.

Robin?.

Robin Zeigler

Thanks Bruce. Good evening. 2021 has gotten off to a strong start at Cedar. Given recent leasing activity and customer traffic patterns it seems as though we are starting to move upward as we approach the other side of the pandemic. Our rent collections remain robust at 95.7% as of quarter end and 96.7% for the month of April.

Our leasing volume is gaining momentum the 31 leases executed this quarter, totaling 268,200 square feet, four new comparable leases were executed with a positive spread of 5.7% and 21 renewals were done at a flat spread on average of 0.1%.

An additional six non-comparable deals were executed this quarter including two completed anchor deals that provide meaningful momentum for the portfolio. Big Y and Norwood Shopping Center will undergo an expansion into their new 55,000 square foot prototype paying $19 per square foot in base rent.

The former grocery store has been demolished and their new store is currently under construction. We will perform some minor shopping center improvements with the opening of the expanded store. A lease with the GAME was executed this quarter at Yorktowne Plaza.

This sports entertainment restaurant will serve as the catalyst for the merchandising transformation we are undertaking for this renovation. The GAME will take 10,454 square feet at Yorktowne, paying $18 per square foot in base rent.

The Yorktowne Plaza value-add redevelopment was previously put on hold due to the pandemic, but this fully entitled project is now in process. The value-add redevelopment plan includes a new façade, new signage, new pad buildings, and landscaping improvements. Additional executed leases for Yorktowne include IHOP, Dunkin' Donuts and Panda Express.

We have also seen good leasing momentum at Carmans Plaza, our recently renovated center in Massapequa, New York. As was reported previously, 24 Hour Fitness filed bankruptcy and left the center last year. This space totaling 54,106 square feet will be backfilled with at least three tenants.

This quarter we executed leases with Planet Fitness for 19,870 square feet, paying $20.13 per square foot; and with Treasure Island Swim, a swim school, which will lease and utilize the swimming pool remaining in the space.

Additionally, we are moving our corporate headquarters from Port Washington, New York to Carmans Plaza to lease and occupy the approximately 13,000 square feet in the rear of the former 24 Hour Fitness space. In addition to Yorktowne and Norwood, we have a couple of other value-add renovations to highlight.

Fishtown Crossing, which was placed on hold during the pandemic has recommenced to finish the facade renovation as well as landscaping and placemaking improvement. This work is anticipated to be complete by fall of 2021. This quarter we added Pet Supplies Plus to the tenant roster.

This store will take 6,802 square feet at the center and pay $23 per square foot in base rent. There are several other leases for Fishtown in negotiations to be announced in subsequent quarters.

We have also begun evaluating a value-add renovation project for Valley Plaza in Hagerstown Maryland, which will be effectuated after we finalize a couple of anchor leases that we are currently negotiating to replace a former Kmart box.

While leasing momentum is moving in an upwards trend, we closed this quarter with a leased occupancy of 87.8%, a 1.5% decrease from prior quarter. Same-property leased occupancy is 90.1% as of March 31, which is a 1.2% decrease from prior quarter.

This is primarily due to the vacancy caused by Ollie's Bargain Outlet at Valley Plaza and Kroger at Coliseum Marketplace, offset by Shoppers World joining the tenancy at Jordan Lane Shopping Center. Our occupancy is also directly impacted by the redevelopment projects in our portfolio.

As we prepare properties for future redevelopment and retenanting, the vacancy in those centers temporarily increases. Leased occupancy for our redevelopment portfolio is 73%, while same-store leased occupancy is 90.1% resulting in overall leased occupancy of 87.8%.

In addition to the refinancing that closed yesterday, our other major milestone that occurred post quarter end is the commencement of construction on the first phase of Northeast Heights and the closing of the joint venture for this first phase.

On May 5th, Cedar finalized our partnership and formed a joint venture with Goldman Sachs Urban Investment Group as a limited partner and Asland Capital Partners as the co-general partner along with Cedar Realty Trust for the construction of the Washington D.C. Department of General Services headquarters.

Goldman will own 80% of the venture with Cedar and Asland, each owning 10% respectively. The joint venture has secured construction financing from JPMorgan, at an amount up to $105 million. The construction loan initially bears interest at LIBOR plus 200 basis points and has an initial term of three years with two one-year extension options.

I would echo, Bruce's comments and sincerely thank Dan Alger and Alan Sage and the entire team at the Goldman Sachs Urban Investment Group for their partnership and shared vision for inclusive growth for Ward 7.

Similarly, I would like to acknowledge, Jim Simmons and Caleb Ratinetz from Asland, for all they did to help navigate this venture from conception to conclusion. We look forward to continuing to benefit from your contributions and partnership.

Lastly, we would like to thank Roland Merchant and the JLL team for their professionalism and tireless efforts on our behalf. I often say, that it takes a village and this venture was no exception. We are looking forward to commencing the first phase of Northeast Heights with this partnership.

The first phase plan consists of a six-story 258,000 square foot office building, which will house over 700 professionals in the 240,000 square foot DGS headquarters and 18,000 square feet of ground floor retail. The merchandising mix for the retail is anticipated to be predominantly service and fast casual restaurants.

This phase of Northeast Heights is projected to incur approximately $150 million in project costs. Subsequent phases of Northeast Heights are planned to include the redevelopment of two existing shopping centers, East River Park and Senator Square Shopping Center into a mixed-use residential office and retail neighborhood.

Significantly, at Cedar we often talk about doing well for our shareholders, while doing good for our community. One of the gratifying facets of the commencement of construction at Northeast Heights is that, we are now going to put that edict into action.

Our investment into Washington D.C.'s Ward 7 brings economic empowerment, opportunities and services to this rich community that is expected to provide benefits for generations to come.

We anticipate that, as the phases of Northeast Heights are developed and merged, into a new vibrant neighborhood at the corner of Minnesota and Benning, the area will witness greater access to fresh food, quality retail, healthcare services and quality housing.

Notably, we are projecting to generate attractive returns for our shareholders, while simultaneously creating this vibrant neighborhood, for the community that we serve. This year is off to a fine start. With that, I will give you Phil..

Philip Mays

Thanks Robin. On this call, I will briefly highlight operating results and provide an update on our balance sheet. Starting with, operating results. For the quarter, operating FFO was $8.6 million or $0.62 per share and property NOI was $20.6 million.

This quarter, property NOI did include almost $500,000 of net snow removal expense, and was impacted another $500,000 from dispositions that took place late in 2020, along with Kroger, closing at Coliseum Marketplace and Big Y temporarily closing at Norwood to construct their new larger store as Robin discussed.

Same-property NOI decreased 5.1%, compared to the comparable period in 2020. This decrease is primarily related to the timing of when the pandemic began, as the comparable period last year was not significantly affected by the pandemic. Further, please keep in mind the relatively small size of our same-store property NOI.

Our same-store property NOI for the quarter was $16.6 million. Accordingly, a 5% change equates to just $800,000. Moving to the balance sheet, yesterday, was a notable day for Cedar, as we closed three transactions. First the DGS joint venture discussed by Bruce and Robin.

Second, the disposition of, The Commons in Dubois, our last remaining property in Western Pennsylvania for $9.8 million, third and finally, we closed $114 million non-recourse mortgage loan. We began working on this transaction, while still on the depth of the pandemic and are pleased with the terms we were able to achieve.

In order to enhance lender appetite for this loan, we decided to utilize a cross-collateralized pool of five shopping centers located in three states with groceries operating under three different brands. Additionally, our broker Bainbridge ensured our loan was broadly marketed to life companies, debt funds and CMBS lenders.

This strategy, of broadly marketing a diverse pool of grocery-anchored shopping centers, permitted us to close a 10-year loan with Guardian Life Company, at a 65% loan to value, five years of interest-only payments and a fixed interest rate of 3.49%.

After closing these transactions yesterday, we have reduced the amount outstanding under our revolving credit facility to $59 million have $60 million available for additional borrowings and $15 million of cash.

One last reminder, before opening the call to questions, our revolving credit facility maturing in September is the only debt maturity we have in 2021. And as previously discussed, this credit facility can be extended at our option, for one additional year. And with that, I'll open the call to questions..

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Thank you. Our first question is coming from the line of Todd Thomas with KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question..

Todd Thomas

Hi. Thanks. Good afternoon. A couple of questions on the joint venture at Northeast Heights, congrats by the way. I know you've been working on that for a little while.

But I'm curious, is Cedar's 10% interest and capital commitment limited to the contribution of the asset? And are there any proceeds to Cedar or promotes at all to Cedar available as a general partner?.

Bruce Schanzer

Why don't I take that? Although, this was definitely a team effort with specific and special kudos to Robin for really just quarterbacking this thing and getting it over the finish line, in terms of your particular question, the DGS building sits on the Senator Square side of the overall Northeast Heights parcel. So that side is on the ground.

And because of that, the nature of the contribution was different, than if for example we were going to contribute the land that we own and see on the East River side.

The way the economics work is that, we were able to get all of the capital that we put in effectively back to us as part of the formation event, subject to some adjustments that you can imagine happen in the context of finalizing a JV. And in terms of the waterfall going forward, we're going to be co-GPs with Asland.

And as we mentioned, Jim Simmons and his organization were really terrific in helping get this project done and there's going to be a promote payable to the GP that we're going to share in. And a lot of that is disclosed in more detail in our filing..

Todd Thomas

Okay.

And are there any rights at all for the partners to participate in future phases of the project, or is this a single-asset venture, just specific to this asset? And can you also update us on the future redevelopment phases and timing?.

Bruce Schanzer

Sure. So why don't I handle the first part and then I'll hand it over to Robin to talk about the second part? The answer to your first question is really, kind of, yes. In other words, on the one hand there's no real necessary explicit right that our partners have in future phases.

But certainly, these are outstanding partners and we would be happy to contemplate continuing with them, assuming that things lined up well economically. But the nature of the JV agreement gives them some rights, but not an absolute right.

And certainly, we're all capitalists and we'll endeavor to do what's best for our respective organizations, while at the same time recognizing that there's something to be said for finding good partners and continuing to partner with them.

And so, while we're not bound to do it, we would certainly be very open to exploring financing and capitalizing these subsequent phases of Northeast Heights with this same group. The phasing of Northeast Heights is a little bit of a moving target, although, it's certainly something that's coming together well.

But maybe, I'll let Robin expand a little bit on the plans for the next few phases in Northeast Heights and how we see it lining up from a timing perspective, while we recognize that, obviously, there's a little bit of a moving target..

Robin Zeigler

Sure. So the entirety of Northeast Heights can be thought about in four phases, with the DGS headquarters being the first phase. The subsequent phases are in process, as Bruce alluded to. And the timing is not 100% certain as to when we will break ground, but I would suffice it to say that it's in the next year or so..

Todd Thomas

Okay. That's helpful. All right. Then Robin, I guess, sticking with you here, in terms of operations. I mean, you discussed a lot of tenant activity, the Kroger and all these closures during the quarter.

Do you have a sense for when occupancy in the portfolio might trough? Are you starting to see leasing pick up to the point where you'd expect to see lease rate and occupancy rate begin to climb higher?.

Robin Zeigler

Sure. So I always hesitate to pull out my crystal ball on things like this.

But from a -- just in general, as we watch kind of the activity that's been happening, we have seen a pickup in transaction and in retail activity over the last couple of months, as people kind of dust off -- brush the dust off from the pandemic and the low-hanging fruit that was kind of sitting on folks' desks during that time frame.

And so, now people are looking at opening new stores, talking about new deals. And we are starting to see more momentum that way and more transaction activity.

So from a -- just seeing, kind of, reading the tea leaves of what we're seeing, both within theater and more from a more macro perspective in the economy, we are expecting to see an uptick of occupancy as we go forward in the coming quarters, as well as revenue as a result of that..

Bruce Schanzer

And Todd, I would just interject here and to expand on it, the thing with Cedar's occupancy statistic that's important to appreciate is that, there is a significant negative -- just statistically, just that percentage that is a function of the intentional vacancy associated with the redevelopment projects.

And so, that alone, at least -- I don't have the statistic at my fingertips. But at least 100 basis points of vacancy, probably closer to 150 basis points of vacancy.

And so, again when we think about the opportunity to drive occupancy, recognizing that a whole part of that statistic is clearly baked into the redevelopment opportunity is an important thing to appreciate..

Todd Thomas

Okay. Thanks helpful..

Robin Zeigler

And then, just to solidify the numbers that Bruce gave I mentioned it in my prepared remarks. But the redevelopment portfolio, for example, has an occupancy of 73%, while the same-store leased portfolio is at 90.1%. So that's that spread that he was talking about.

Where as those development -- the properties and the development portfolio get actualized and those projects are stabilized then and that will naturally bring up the occupancy as well..

Todd Thomas

Okay.

And in the near term is the redevelopment occupancy expected to fall further, while these projects are in motion?.

Robin Zeigler

There are a couple of projects where we might see a little bit more. There's a couple of box small shops that we're moving around for Norwood. And Valley Plaza is essentially made up of the Kmart and the Ollie's so we won't see much more there. There might be a little bit more movement for Yorktowne before we get it fully leased up and stabilized.

But by and large, the majority of it has already been handled in the occupancy number you're looking at..

Todd Thomas

Okay. All right. Thank you.

Bruce Schanzer

Thanks, Todd..

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is coming from the line of RJ Milligan with Baird [ph]. Please proceed with your question..

RJ Milligan

Hey. It's Raymond James, but that's all right. First, I appreciate your comments on NAV and cap rates. I'm just curious if you could give some color on what you're seeing out there in terms of comparable transactions or cap rates you guys are getting from the lenders..

Bruce Schanzer

Sure. So, again, as I mentioned in my prepared remarks, the blended cap rate on the five assets that we contributed into our secured financing was 6.7%. We are seeing a fair amount of transaction activity in our markets as sort of in that Mid-Atlantic and Northeast footprint grocery-anchored assets.

And the cap rates are really remarkable in terms of there being much, much lower than one would have expected and the quality of the correction, in other words, the recovery in that asset sale market for these types of assets has been pronounced.

We're getting feedback from some of the private equity firms, for example, that own these types of grocery-anchored assets in our footprint that they're very happy to be getting the kind of pricing that they're getting right now. On the financing side, Phil really advanced our financing through the pandemic period.

Right now, obviously we're sort of in a post-pandemic phase and the financing markets have really heated up and are very supportive of the types of transactions that we're seeing. And it's certainly supporting the pricing that we're seeing on the single-asset side.

So again, cap rates in the 6s are something that we're seeing pretty regularly for the grocery-anchored assets very similar to Cedar in that Mid-Atlantic and Northeast footprint..

R.J. Milligan

That's helpful. That's it for me guys. Thanks..

Bruce Schanzer

Okay..

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] The next question is from the line of Floris Van Dijkum with Compass Point. Please proceed with your question..

Floris Van Dijkum

Thanks for taking my question guys. My question is sort of along the same lines as the one before, but I'm sure you've seen the joint venture that RPT put together for net lease assets.

And have you thought about or are you looking at ways of parsing out your lower cap rate, lower growth, highly leased anchor boxes and you have a lot of anchor boxes in your portfolio and arbitraging between that and redeploying that to either reduce leverage or to make new investments?.

Bruce Schanzer

First, I would start off by just noting that I think Brian Harper at RPT is a terrific CEO. And certainly when we saw that announcement considering how -- what high regard I personally hold him in we obviously have to pause and digest that endeavor and sort of see if it applies to Cedar and it could.

So certainly, it is something that is a potential way that we can asset manage or portfolio manage in other words to carve out assets or pieces of assets and monetize them in ways that offer us an arbitrage opportunity. One of the things that I mentioned in our call for example is that we're selling one of our assets.

We're selling the Camp Hill Shopping Center, Camp Hill Mall we call it. And it's an example of just the fact that we're fairly open-minded, whether it comes to buying assets or selling assets. We're simply capital allocators that try to think about cost of capital and risk-adjusted returns.

And in that vein, we would certainly locate anything that made sense and it could be that this does make sense. I think one of the nice things about RPT having undertaken this move to try to exploit what might be an arbitrage between multi-tenant, open-air shopping centers and single-tenant net leased assets is that we'll see if it works.

And if it does and if the arbitrage opportunity is still there, it's something that we would pursue. If it turns out that it's not there, it will be something that we don't pursue. So certainly I can't tell you that it's a good idea or a bad idea. I can tell you that the folks at RPT are very smart and that certainly will justify us monitoring it.

But right now, it's not something that we're actively pursuing. .

Floris Van Dijkum

Thanks, Bruce.

And then maybe in terms of other potential joint venture opportunities to pursue some of these growth assets that you have, have you -- would you include someone like a Goldman and does Asland come with Goldman to do something like Quartermaster or something in South Philly?.

Bruce Schanzer

Yeah. Look I would tell you that -- I would make a couple of comments. First of all, I mean obviously the relationship between Asland and Goldman is between Asland and Goldman. I don't know what the nature of that relationship is.

What I would tell you is that we absolutely grew to admire Jim Simmons at Asland and Caleb Ratinetz and that team and we also came to really admire the Urban Investment Group folks.

And so again, whether they have to come together, whether they happen to come together is almost secondary to the fact that we would be open to potentially doing something with them. To be plain about it as I mentioned in my earlier comment, right we're ultimately capital allocators.

We think about cost of capital and what are the return opportunities and that was how we thought about the joint venture in the context of doing the DGS building. And it's going to be how we think about joint ventures going forward. And so, I would tell you that we would certainly be open to doing it, but it's not necessarily the only way do it.

It'd be just simply a function of what the opportunity is and what are our various capital alternatives at the time..

Floris Van Dijkum

Thanks, Bruce. That's it for me..

Operator

Thank you. At this time, I'll turn the call back over to Bruce Schanzer for closing remarks. .

Bruce Schanzer

Thank you, operator. Thank you all for joining us this evening. Like I mentioned in my comments, I really wanted to thank the team, Team Cedar. Everybody at Cedar really have been pulling hard. It's reflected in our results.

It's reflected in events as recent as the closings that we were able to conclude yesterday and we look forward to continuing to advance the projects here and continuing to put up strong results in the months and quarters and years ahead. Thank you again and have a good evening..

Operator

Thank you. This will conclude today's conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time and we thank you for your participation..

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