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EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT
EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT 2017 - Q3
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Executives

Courtney Lynn - VP, IR and Treasurer Mitchell Krebs - CEO, President and Director Hans Rasmussen - Vice President, Exploration Frank Hanagarne - COO and SVP Peter Mitchell - CFO and SVP.

Analysts

Joseph Reagor - Roth Capital Partners Mark Mihaljevic - RBC Capital Markets Justin Steven - Raymond James Ryan Thompson - BMO Michael Dudas - Vertical Research.

Operator

Good day. And welcome to the Coeur Mining Third Quarter 2017 Financial Results Conference Call and Webcast. [Operator Instructions] And please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Courtney Lynn, Vice President of Investor Relations and Treasurer. Please go ahead..

Courtney Lynn

Thank you and good morning. Welcome to Coeur Mining’s thirds quarter earnings conference call. Our results were released after yesterday's market close and a copy of the press release and slides for today's call are available on our website.

Before we get started, I would like to remind everyone that our press release and some of our comments on the call may includes forward-looking statements from which actual results may differ. Please review the cautionary statements included in our press release and presentation, as well as the risk factors described in our 10-Q and latest 10-K.

I'll now turn it over to Mitch Krebs, President and Chief Executive Officer..

Mitchell Krebs President, Chief Executive Officer & Chairman

Thanks, Courtney and good morning, everybody. Thank you taking the time to participate in our call. Production and cash flow we're both up, cost were down and we reach some very important milestones at three key long-term projects that should deliver high quality organic growth in the fourth quarter and in the coming years.

The third quarter financial results were negatively impacted by a few items worth mentioning up front.

Number one is our exploration spending was up nearly three fold, which I think is a real positive given the success this drilling is having, I'll talk more about this in a few minutes and give you our rationale for why we're allocating more capital to our near mine drilling efforts.

The second item is the average gold grade at Kensington was lower than we had anticipated. And I'll talk in a few minutes about why this was the case and what we see at Kensington in the fourth quarter and how we plan to achieve the low end of our guidance range for 2017.

The third thing is we experienced operating difficulties down at our San Bartolomé mine in Bolivia that we've discussed with you on prior calls. It's mostly driven by a shortage of water to a lack of rainfall over the past two years. I'll give you some additional details on what we're doing about these challenges we're facing there in Bolivia.

And then the last thing is we've booked a $14 million quarterly income tax expense on our income statement, which was a substantial increase from prior periods and it was mostly driven by non-cash changes in the company's deferred tax estimates down in Mexico. If you're looking at the slides and you have them in front of you.

Please go ahead and flip to Slide 7 and 8 our two strongest performers during the quarter were our Palmarejo and Wharf operations. Palmarejo’s production was up 25% and costs were down 14% percent based on higher mining rates from the new Independencia underground mine and from higher overall grades.

Palmarejo has now achieved combined average daily mining rates of 4500 tons per day from Guadalupe and Independencia one quarter ahead of schedule. Palmarejo’s quarterly free cash flow is $13 million bringing the year to date free cash flow to $65 million.

And production remains on track to increase by about 50% in ‘17 compared to last year to between 6.5 to 7 million silver ounces and between 110 and 120,000 gold ounces.

Meanwhile in South Dakota Wharfs quarterly gold production increased 21% and costs declined a little bit compared to the prior quarter resulting in another quarter of strong free cash flow totalling $12 million dollars. And that brings the total for the first nine months of 2017 at Wharf to $27 million.

Wharf is now sustaining an annualized mining and crushing rate of over 4.5 million tons a year, which is about 25% higher than when we acquired the operation in early 2015. We are reaffirming Wharfs previously improved full year production guidance of 90 to 95,000 thousand gold ounces and cost guidance of $700 to $750 per ounce.

With the completion of the 10 month $38 billion leach pad expansion project at Rochester during the third quarter, production levels are now rising as we head toward the end of the year and enter 2018.

Third quarter production was lower as we transitioned over to the new stage for pad and Rochester's unit cost ticked up slightly given that smaller denominator and also higher diesel costs and it also reflects the residual effects of record rainfall earlier in the year which led to lower mining, crushing and stacking rates and also higher blasting and cyanide costs.

As a result, we've raised Rochester's full year cost guidance, but maintain the silver and gold production guidance for 2017. And up at Kensington we mined development order from the new Jualin deposit earlier than planned and expect to start processing this higher grade material in the fourth quarter which is a major accomplishment.

However, the mine did experience lower than expected average gold grades during the quarter, the average grade has been above 18% lower than last year, mostly due to some variances between our model and actual grades in some new areas we've been mining.

Kensington has also been hampered by pace backfill rates that hasn’t been able to keep up as we've increased Kensington mining rate to nearly 2000 tonnes per day. This is limited our ability to access and mine some higher grade stopes during the first nine months of the year.

The pace backfill system has now been upgraded and isn't expected to be an issue going forward. Kensington results during the first nine months now puts a lot of pressure on the team during the fourth quarter to deliver on the full year production guidance of 120 to 125,000 ounces of gold.

However, we still expect mining from the high grade Raven and Jualin zones to lead to significantly higher grades and production levels and lower unit costs to finish the year.

Despite this in - this expected strong fourth quarter, we are anticipating at Kensington we've decided to bump up its full year cost guidance range by $50 an ounce to reflect a higher year-to-date unit costs driven by these lower than expected gold grades we've seen.

As I mentioned earlier, our San Bartolome mine continued to experience challenges during the quarter. Persistent drought conditions in the Potosi region of Bolivia have reduced our ability to run our mill to only about 75% of the available time six days a week.

In addition ore purchases have been limited because of reduced third party mining activity taking place on the Cerro Rico mountain, which typically represents a major source of higher grade ore. As a result, we reduced our full year production guidance a couple of weeks ago.

We've raised our cost guidance range and we made the decision to reduce San Bartolome workforce by 23% during the quarter, resulting in a one time severance expense of $2.2 million. This decreased headcount is expected to reduce our operating costs going forward by nearly $4 million a year or about $-.90 cents per ounce.

Given the San Bartolome is our highest cost operation with the shortest mine life in our most challenging jurisdiction, we recognize the drag it is creating on company wide results. Therefore we are evaluating a handful of alternatives for San Bartolome and expect to have more to say at year end.

Despite these ongoing headwinds, year-to-date free cash flow from San Bartolome has actually been positive $7.3 million dollars. If you don't mind flipping to slide 10 in the presentation, we can talk more about our exploration activities. You'll note we continue to invest aggressively especially at Palmarejo and Kensington.

These results we are seeing justify these higher spending levels. At Palmarejo, we currently have seven drill rigs turning. Looking at Slide 11, you can see all the different veins and structures we have discovered and are now drilling.

We continue to see excellent results from the Nación Vein which is located about half way between the Independencia and Guadalupe mines. We expect Nación to be transferred over to the operations group next year to start the transition of this discovery into a new mining area at Palmarejo.

We are also seeing impressive results from the La Bavisa vein which is located 500 meters northeast of the Independencia mine. The majority of these new veins have been discovered just in the past year.

At Guadalupe definition drilling is underway at the new Zapata, Madoro, and Antena veins all located just two to six hundred meters west of the Guadalupe mines infrastructure. Two new veins not shown on Slide 11 called Jacobo and Portales were discovered in recent drilling just east of the Guadalupe mine.

Similarly our drilling north of the Independencia mine has discovered that Reforma and Hidalgo veins which intersect the Independencia structure about 400 meters north of the current underground operation.

Our capitalized resource conversion drilling at Guadalupe has focused on Block B, while it Independencia underground and surface drilling has focused on resource expansion to the south of the current mine and uppermost portions of central Independencia where we have seen the best grade thicknesses from Independencia since we started drilling there.

A year ago we were just drilling the Nación resource and beginning to mine Independencia. Since then our exploration initiatives at Palmarejo have achieved the goal of generating new discoveries which should translate into an extended mine life over time.

At Kensington shown on Slide 12, we are now up to 5 drill rigs, including 2 on surface that are focused on Jualin and resource expansion and two drills underground that are focused on resource conversion at Jualin and Vein number 4. A fifth rig is focused on resource expansion over at the Raven’s vein.

As a result we are generating a lot of drill core during the second half of this year, which is the main reason we're targeting an updated technical report for the end of the first quarter of ’18, so we can incorporate as much of this new information as possible into an updated reserve and resource.

At Kensington Main over the past year, we have infill drilled in zones 10, 12, 41 and partially drilled the deeper blocks M and L To expand the resources at depth we are currently developing drill stations underground to access and expand the resource of the new Block L located in lower and most Kensington main.

There's still a lot of drilling to be done at Kensington which has suffered from a lack of exploration funding over the years. In addition to these near mine drill programs, we have also been actively pursuing external growth opportunities that meet our M&A and return criteria.

We believe the acquisition we completed last week of the high grade Silvertip mine in northern British Columbia satisfies all these criteria and we were very excited about what Silvertip can bring to our overall portfolio and growth profile. Slide 13 provides a brief overview of Silvertip and what we're doing there now.

In addition to being one of the industry's highest grade mines, Silvertip offers near-term production and cash flows in a mining friendly jurisdiction.

Over Silvertip’s initial 7.5 year mine life production is expected to average approximately 10 million silver equivalent ounces per year, an average all in sustaining cost per silver equivalent an ounce of 10:50 to 11:50 and generate average annual EBITDA of about $70 million.

Silvertip should provide a meaningful boost to our overall production levels, our cash flow and our margins and help to further reduce our unit costs.

Over the next several months, we will be investing in underground drilling and development at Silvertip to convert resources into reserves and expand the size of the resource which hasn't received much drilling historically.

In addition, we will be upgrading surface infrastructure and mobile equipment and plan to put Silvertip in production by the end of the first quarter of 2018 and start to ramp up to production rates up to 1000 tons a day later in the year.

Because of these additional activities we are revising our 2017 full year CapEx guidance range by about $10 million to $120 million to $140 million and our full year exploration guidance range up by about $3 million to $5 million to $32 million to $36 million company wide.

On another note, I'd like to provide a quick update on our recent work at La Preciosa. You may recall we kicked off an internal effort late last year to take a fresh look at that project.

We spent about $5 million earlier this year to drill 110 holes totalling about 26,000 meters to try to increase the amount of higher grade underground mineralization, to try and reduce the strip ratio for the open pit component of the project and to try and add additional material to the overall resource.

We achieved two of those objectives with the overall average grade increasing about 22% to 123 grams per ton and the strip ratio declining by about 50% from 16 to 1 down to 7.5 to 1. However the estimated CapEx our internal team has developed at this point combined with a $17 silver price make the rate of return unattractive at this time.

We’ll keep pursuing opportunities to try and find a way to make La Preciosa an attractive project, especially focusing on the upfront capital component.

In the meantime, we'll maintain our overall return on invested capital discipline and only fund growth investments that can generate the best risk adjusted returns and that can enhance the quality of our portfolio of assets. Slide 14 lays out how we think about our capital allocation priorities. And now turning to Slide 15 to wrap up.

Overall we are looking at a very strong fourth quarter, especially from Rochester and Kensington and believe we're well positioned heading into 2018 to deliver high quality cash flow and production growth at lower costs.

We plan to provide a drilling update in early December with more details on the positive results we're seeing from both Palmarejo and Kensington and Silvertip should also provide several near-term catalysts as we transition into production ramp up starting in the first quarter.

We plan to file several new technical reports in the coming months that will provide additional updates on some of our key operations. I'd like to thank our team for their hard work on all of the different initiatives taking place across the company.

I'd also like to welcome our 181 new employees in Vancouver and at Silvertip and thank them for everything they're doing to get the mine ready to start up. That's the extent of our prepared comments. Let's go ahead and open it up for any questions..

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Joseph Reagor of Roth Capital Partners. Please go ahead..

Joseph Reagor

Morning, guys. And thanks for taking the questions..

Mitchell Krebs President, Chief Executive Officer & Chairman

Hi, Joe..

Joseph Reagor

Couple questions on Silvertip first, I guess first you just mentioned the 180 employees there.

Can you give us kind of an idea of what we should expect for like cash outflows there in the fourth quarter? You know whether it's exploration, capitalized expenditures or you know anything you guys are going to drop through G&A et cetera for the employee overhead costs?.

Mitchell Krebs President, Chief Executive Officer & Chairman

Yes, sure. Fourth quarter we expect to spend about $40 million of capital expenditures of that $2 million is capitalized drilling and then expense should be about $7 million in the fourth quarter and of that $2 million is expensed exploration..

Joseph Reagor

Okay.

And then can you give us an update on how the permitting amendments are going there?.

Mitchell Krebs President, Chief Executive Officer & Chairman

Yeah. We have submitted an application to provide an additional bridge during which time we'll be submitting an amendment application that would allow us to sustain a thousand ton of day mining and processing rate.

We expect to receive that in the third quarter of next year between now and then we'll continue to operate under kind of a short term bridging permit that the has had and we expect to continue..

Joseph Reagor

Okay. And then shifting gears a bit on guidance, obviously there's a lot of questions this morning about you know confidence level that we're getting on the guidance, more specifically cost guidance at San Bartolome and Rochester you know, tend to be leaning towards the higher end of guidance.

And then specifically Kensington you know the production guide what it implies, is about a minimum of about 40,000 ounces for Q4.

Can you give us additional color as to you know what you guys are doing to make the cost and the production guidance is and what your degree of confidence is that you guys will be you know with inside that revised guidance range?.

Mitchell Krebs President, Chief Executive Officer & Chairman

I'll start Frank, fill in the blanks that I missed. Just to go down the list. San Bartolome is a little bit of a wildcard because of the weather impact. Certainly we hope for more rain as they enter the rainy season.

But the main driver to cost there in the second half - well the fourth quarter now is really some third party ore that we anticipate hauling from an operation that's actually quite a ways away from San Bartolome, but contains some very high grade ore.

And we anticipate that stream of high grade third party ore purchases to help boost production and help bring those unit costs into a level there that will allow us to achieve the full year cost and exit at San Bartolome. Rochester.

Yeah, probably on the high end of the guidance range, but we're confident that with these new ounces coming off of the new stage 4 pad, plus some cost reduction opportunities we're not hauling out any waste anymore like we were in the second quarter to get access to some higher grade gold in the pit.

So we feel like our costs at Rochester should be you know, admittedly towards the higher end of the guidance range but within that range. And then yeah, Kensington and I mentioned in my comments, it's going to be a big a big push in the fourth quarter. There's a good plan in place to accomplish that.

It leans heavily on ore coming out of that Raven zone which is narrower, higher grade, we've mined in there periodically over several years. We've got to - we think a pretty good handle on the great performance out of that.

They'll be dropping stopes to allow us to process some very high grade ore out of Raven that will supplement what we mine from Kensington Main to give us that great kick that we'll need to achieve that kind of a production quarter.

But the plan we have faith in, the team we have faith in and that shows us achieving that kind of a quarter and allowing us to clip the low end of that of that guidance range of 120 to 125,000 ounces..

Joseph Reagor

Okay. Thanks. I'll turn it over..

Mitchell Krebs President, Chief Executive Officer & Chairman

Thanks, Joe..

Operator

Our next question comes from Mark Mihaljevic of RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead..

Mark Mihaljevic

Thanks and good morning everyone..

Mitchell Krebs President, Chief Executive Officer & Chairman

Hi, Mike..

Mark Mihaljevic

I guess I'll kick it off on the exploration side of things. Obviously, a lot of interesting things going on down at Palmarejo.

So just kind of you know early stages, can just give us a sense of how you know the width and the grades of Nación in some of these other veins have compared to Independencia and Guadalupe?.

Hans Rasmussen

Hi. This Hans Rasmussen, Exploration, VP. The Nación vein is looking very similar to Independencia in both thicknesses and grades. We're seeing a couple of what we call Latos [ph] so far in the drilling because the thicker portions of the deposit and fortunately one of those in the northern part, closest to our infrastructure.

La Bavisa is still very early in the drilling, but we are seeing some pretty good thicknesses, similar to Independencia, not quite as good in the gold range, but still early days on that one.

The other ones are very early also around Guadalupe and the best out of [indiscernible] Guadalupe is Zapata and Zapata somewhere early holds actually thicknesses that were comparable to what we're seeing in Independencia, not the thicker is Guadalupe, but so respectable.

And I guess that would be the first one to show a resource in the coming year so..

Mitchell Krebs President, Chief Executive Officer & Chairman

Just Mark, its Mitch just to add onto that a couple of things. When we bought Paramount I guess now a couple of years ago who had the property package next door that allowed us to consolidate ownership of several of these structures that were kind of split down the middle previously by the property boundary.

Nación is a good example on their side it was called Dana [ph] so its Nación and Dana have linked up to become one continuous structure. Similarly La Bavisa that that's actually on the east side of that former property boundary.

So a lot of these new things set very near our infrastructure at Guadalupe and between you know between Guadalupe and Independencia. But some of them are also a product of that acquisition that we made a couple of years ago..

Mark Mihaljevic

Thanks for the color on that. I guess moving over to Silvertip. You know, as you guys have kind of you know sort of take the reigns there and start putting some money in and getting your people on the ground.

Are you still pretty happy with everything you're expecting? And you know there have been any surprises that you've been seeing kind of as you really take over the keys?.

Frank Hanagarne

Mark this is Frank. We since earlier is this quarter we've been engaged in activities there as you might imagine.

And we're working through a very disciplined process, we're running sort of like a project in regards to permitting and people and resource modeling and so on and everything's been going pretty well according to plan so far nothing much to report on there in a negative way.

We're in the process of this week starting to commission the mill on some materials that are available sitting at the surface and expect that to go fairly well and it's gone according to plan so far..

Mitchell Krebs President, Chief Executive Officer & Chairman

I’d say that team has done a really good job leading up to the closing last week of coordinating closely with JDS Silver which has helped us get kind of a running start since the closing which was only hard to believe a week ago. But I think there's a real positive energy up there. Folks are excited.

We've all been spending a lot of time in British Columbia and we're excited about being a part of that mining business community. Out there great first nations relationships, and a lot of support from the provincial government. So we're excited and can't wait for the first quarter or next year..

Mark Mihaljevic

And I guess kind of on that note what type of ramp up are you expecting there because obviously you know the mine was in operation for a bit under JDSs control.

So you know what type of timeline do you think it will take for you to get up to nameplate and you know how much work will go into that?.

Frank Hanagarne

Mark, this is Frank again, as we've stated we plan to begin operations there in the first quarter, it will be around you know it will be lower tonnage as in early days, something in the range of 3, 400 tons per day.

I'm expecting that by the end of the year we would have ramped up to thousand ton per day rate and that's subject to getting that permit approval that we need to go higher, but we don't see any issues with that at the moment either..

Mark Mihaljevic

Thanks. That was helpful. And just one final one for me. I guess you know obviously was a bit of a weird quarter tax wise.

So just wondering if you could provide some guidance for what we should be expecting for Q4?.

Peter Mitchell

And Mark, its Peter. And I would say in terms of the fourth quarter you're right, third quarter was a little wonky which is often the case when we see a pretax number that's effectively breakeven. And so we ended up seeing what was on a relative basis to that pretax income a pretty significant primarily deferred tax entry.

But in terms of Q4 given that we are projecting a relatively strong fourth quarter across the whole portfolio of mines I think are sort of average you know using this sort of an average rate approach you know in terms of that tax rate would be the logical way of approaching it which would be in the you know 30% plus or minus range..

Mark Mihaljevic

Thanks. That's it for me..

Operator

Our next question comes from Justin Steven of Raymond James. Please go ahead..

Justin Steven

Good morning, everyone..

Mitchell Krebs President, Chief Executive Officer & Chairman

Hi, Justin..

Justin Steven

Most my question have been answered already, but I've got a few left here. So the Palmarejo [ph] CapEx was a bit lighter than what we were expecting.

Is this sort of what we can expect going forward there?.

Frank Hanagarne

Yeah. You know, you've seen what our guidance is for the year, we’ll probably come in on the low end of that range. The majority of the savings on capital has come through development capitalized development underground. We've not had to do as much as we thought we would have to produce against guides for the year..

Justin Steven

When you say low end of the Frank, you mean CapEx not production?.

Frank Hanagarne

CapEx..

Justin Steven

Yeah.

Speaking of that there was a negative development CapEx of $1 million there because of that reclassification of some previous development CapEx to the sustaining line or what?.

Mitchell Krebs President, Chief Executive Officer & Chairman

We're all looking at each other here in the room….

Justin Steven

Just assume, we’re going to see a negative $1 million spend for CapEx?.

Mitchell Krebs President, Chief Executive Officer & Chairman

Yeah. Let us circle back..

Justin Steven

Okay. That would make sense. Switching over to Rochester.

What can we expect sort of ballpark replacement rates there in the fourth quarter?.

Peter Mitchell

Well, pretty close to what we've achieved this year so far, which is averaged about 48, 49,000 tons per day..

Justin Steven

Okay.

And is there going to be any expected lingering impacts the rough weather that you guys had earlier in the area carrying forward for 4Q or is that going to be sort of all wrapped up?.

Peter Mitchell

No. As Mitch mentioned earlier we struggled with some pretty severe weather in the first quarter and fell behind on mining rates in that quarter. On the second and third quarters we've come a long ways to catch up as much of that as we can.

On top of that mining is a million and a half tons of ways to expose a couple of inches in the open pit and carry some pretty decent gold values. That was time to be the first materials going out onto the stage for expansion. Leach pad just completed that project and had materials under leach now and that's all working out quite well.

That will be a deficit to the year on the total tons mine. But you see what our guidance for production is, we're confident now..

Justin Steven

Okay.

And over at Kensington, just we haven't really gotten too much out of the – for color on Raven and given initial expectation for tons of grid there in the fourth quarter?.

Peter Mitchell

Sure. We spent a lot of a good portion of this year developing over there requires that because of the mining method that will be deployed it's close to shreik stopie [ph] its a little bit of a hybrid between that and longitudinal mining. So lots of vertical development we've developed 4 of 7 levels through the course of the year.

We're at the stage right now where that material just needs to be drilled out in panels shot and it'll all be taken out in a pretty large bulk tonnage. It should be in excess of 40,000 tons that will come out there in the fourth quarter. On the grade side, we see ranges on Raven that it goes between 0.35, 0.40 ounce per ton..

Justin Steven

Okay. Thanks..

Mitchell Krebs President, Chief Executive Officer & Chairman

Thanks, Justin..

Operator

Our next question comes from Ryan Thompson of BMO. Please go ahead..

Ryan Thompson

Hey, good morning Mitch and team. Thanks for taking my question. Just a couple of quick ones on Palmarejo their, recovery seem to be quite a bit lower in the third quarter compared to where the mine has been running. I'm guessing that the consequence of pushing more ton.

How should we think about recovery sort of going forward? And my second question is just on the drilling you're doing on the new veins are they subject to the Franco‐ stream or they side the stream? That's all for me. Thanks..

Mitchell Krebs President, Chief Executive Officer & Chairman

Frank will take the first one and then Hans will take the second one..

Frank Hanagarne

Yeah Ryan. To understand what's gone on there in the third quarter with recovery, I'll refer you back to the second quarter where you see our tons mine, our grades are a bit lower than we achieve, quite a bit lower than what we achieved in the third quarter.

So we had a very large slug of silver and gold ounces come out the – that process facilities and we had an inventory buildup. So it just didn't make its way out of the plant in that calendar quarter to maintain the recovery. So there's an inventory effect.

We're working in the fourth quarter to get that inventories right down to normal levels and now well on her way to getting that done. So you'll see recoveries return to what you've been seeing over the last say four or five quarters behind this one..

Hans Rasmussen

Hey, Ryan to answer your question about the stream, this is Hans Rasmussen, the map on page 11 sort of gives you a feeling for where the definition of the stream is. There is a vertical orange line. That's the original Paramount core line.

So anything on the east side would be out of the streaming arrangement with Franco and anything on that on the West or left side would be within most of the Nación drilling. I would say 80% now or more is within the Franco streaming, all the Guadalupe drilling is and most of the La Bavisa is outside of the stream..

Ryan Thompson

Okay..

Mitchell Krebs President, Chief Executive Officer & Chairman

Hey, Ryan. Its Mitch. I just – I had the numbers in front of me, so I thought I'd take the opportunity to share, to your question about kind of what's on the east side of the property to the west side and how it relates back to that Franco stream.

In the third quarter gold production 50% of it was out of Guadalupe, 12% of it came from Independencia West, which is - which is kind of our side of that AOY time back to the Franco stream and then 39% of the gold ounces came from that east side which is outside of the Franco AOY..

Ryan Thompson

Okay. that's helpful. Thanks, guys..

Mitchell Krebs President, Chief Executive Officer & Chairman

Yes, sure..

Operator

Our next question comes from Michael Dudas of Vertical Research. Please go ahead..

Michael Dudas

Good morning, gentlemen and Cotney [ph]..

Mitchell Krebs President, Chief Executive Officer & Chairman

Hi, Mike..

Michael Dudas

Just couple of things. First La Preciosa, I looks such a great effort made there.

Characterizes it just missed by a little bit or just things that's just in the current environment and given the other Africans [ph] you have just to overcome with an investment in near term?.

Mitchell Krebs President, Chief Executive Officer & Chairman

Oh I'd say, especially as things like Silvertip came along that gave us such a great opportunity to see a higher rate of return, more immediate with a lot less risk, no construction risk, no development timeline. I mean, you know in terms of prioritizing where we allocate capital something like a Silvertip was a no brainier compared to La Preciosa.

The return on La Preciosa is just so sensitive to the silver price, and of course that upfront capital. I'd say the drilling was very successful, I'd say we still have work to do on that upfront capital to the extent that there is any opportunity.

That is what a - higher silver price and a little bit less capital would push that thing into a category where you know the rate of return starts to approach the levels where it's actually you know value additive versus value of destructive..

Michael Dudas

And no question you asked me the right call on Silvertip.

And then as you characterize after the financing close here in this quarter, how are you looking at the balance sheet optimization, where it stands, cash flow allocation worked and you know given your tenure and loans what are you guys thinking here?.

Peter Mitchell

Mike, its Peter. I would say that you know we elected to sort of go down a path of a fairly shareholder friendly approach to acquiring Silvertip by putting in place the $200 million revolving credit facility, trying half of that. that takes our total leverage pro forma for that to about 2.4 times.

And that's kind of the upper zone of the area that where we're comfortable. So you know, we like having the additional liquidity available pro-forma for the transaction, will have to have about $180 million of cash on the balance sheet. So with $100 million of dry powder in that $180 million we think we're in pretty good shape.

But our plan would be to use free cash flow generated next year once we start ramping up Silvertip and other operations are hitting on all cylinders too.

You know again delever the balance sheet and you know, we – sort of hard [ph] five yards to sort of improve the quality of the balance sheet, lower our leverage level and that's not something that we're going to certainly concede any time soon..

Michael Dudas

I appreciate the answers. Its very helpful. Thanks, gentlemen..

Mitchell Krebs President, Chief Executive Officer & Chairman

Thanks a lot Mike..

Peter Mitchell

Thank you..

Operator

This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Mitch Krebs for any closing remarks..

Mitchell Krebs President, Chief Executive Officer & Chairman

Okay. Well, thanks everybody for your time and all the questions and we look forward to speaking with you again in February of 2018, hard to believe to discuss our fourth quarter and full year results. So have a good day and thanks again..

Operator

The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect..

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