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EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT
EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT 2015 - Q2
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Executives

Philip Flynn - President and Chief Executive Officer Chris Niles - Chief Financial Officer Scott Hickey - Chief Credit Officer.

Analysts

Dave Rochester - Deutsche Bank Securities Inc. Scott Siefers - Sandler O'Neill & Partners, L.P. Emlen Harmon - Jefferies & Company, Inc. Jon Arfstrom - RBC Capital Markets Ken Zerbe - Morgan Stanley Christopher McGratty - Keefe Bruyette & Woods Jared Shaw - Wells Fargo Securities, LLC.

Operator

Good afternoon, everyone and welcome to Associated Banc-Corp’s Second Quarter 2015 Earnings Conference Call. My name is Manny and I will be your operator today. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. We will be conducting a question-and-answer session at the end of this conference.

Copies of the slides that will be referenced during today’s call are available on the Company’s website at investor.associatedbank.com. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded.

During the course of the discussion today, Associated management may make statements that constitute projections, expectations, beliefs or similar forward-looking statements. Associated's actual results could differ materially from the results anticipated or projected in any such forward-looking statements.

Additional detailed information concerning the important factors that could cause Associated's actual results to differ materially from the information discussed today is readily available on the SEC website in the Risk Factors section of Associated's most recent Form 10-K and any subsequent SEC filings.

These factors are incorporated herein by reference. For a reconciliation of the non-GAAP financial measures to the GAAP financial measures mentioned in this conference call, please see the press release financial tables. Following today’s presentation, instructions will be given for the question-and-answer session.

At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Philip Flynn, President and Chief Executive Officer, for opening remarks. Please go ahead, sir..

Philip Flynn

We are mindful of delivery in double-digit risk-adjusted returns. We have a diverse loan business across a wide geography and we are well positioned to say no to deals that don’t deliver appropriate returns. CRE loans were up 1% during the quarter.

CRE loan growth showed momentum in the second half of the quarter with period end loans up 3% driven by higher construction balances. Consumer loans were up a $153 million, strong residential mortgage growth was partially offset by continued run off in the home equity and installment loan books.

Our residential mortgage loan growth was driven by strong ARM production. We continue to position ourselves as a lender of choice for the ARM market due to our proven ability to deliver a competitive product set with high quality service.

In an addition to the loans we put on the balance sheet, we originated $351 million mortgages for sale during the quarter. Turning to utilization on Slide 4, we are pleased to see a continued increase in commercial and business lending line utilization. The utilization rate is a blended rate of our commercial and specialty lending groups.

The general commercial portfolio utilization rate is in the high 40s and our specialty verticals are in the high 60s. Overall our specialty lending groups are driving the increase in the utilization particularly the mortgage, warehouse, healthcare and power utilities groups.

The combined specialty verticals have seen increased utilization since the fourth quarter of 2013 which was the low point in the strength.

This trend reflects the growth of these groups as newer business with higher utilization rates are on boarded as infrastructure projects continue to fund and the cyclical strength in the home-buying market fuels borrowings. In the same period general commercial lending utilization is also increased.

These trends reflect the growth of our specialty lending verticals and general customer confidence. Moving on to CRE, the portfolios line utilization has declined slightly due to normal churn of our construction portfolio. We believe both portfolios - the utilization trends reflect improved economic conditions.

Turning to Slide 5, we would like to provide an update on our oil and gas portfolio. Our energy exposure remains low at 4% total loan outstandings and we are pleased to report the portfolio is performing as we expected. The loan portfolio is not materially changed from the prior information we share.

As we’ve summarized before our exposure is focused on the upstream sector, we went to small to medium-sized independent companies and the loans are collateralized by oil and gas reserves. Our spring borrowing base redeterminations and the Shared National Credit exam are now complete. All changes are reflected in our second quarter results.

We saw an expected decline in outstandings, as approximately 3% of the portfolio paid down. So based on the pay downs and the completed redeterminations we released a small amount of reserves.

Given where oil prices are today, we are comfortable with our exposure, pricing is continuously monitored, and is factored into the semi-annual borrowing base redeterminations. I’d like to provide a few comments on deposits and funding. Our loan to deposit ratio ended the quarter at 95% comfortably below 100%.

While end of period balances were down, we saw generally strong average deposit growth in money markets, savings and CDs. We’ve had strong deposit growth trends on average over the first half of the year and we feel very comfortable about our overall deposit patterns.

We believe our positive deposit trends are a reflection of our strong A1/P1 ratings profile and the investments we’ve made developing our retail and commercial deposit platforms. Turning to Slide 6, the yield on earning assets continue to decline.

Overall the yield on the total loan book declined by eight basis points in the second quarter primarily due to margin compression in commercial real estate and continuing pay downs in the home equity portfolio.

Excluding the effect of outsized interest recoveries and prepayments collected in the first quarter, we estimate the run rate margin compression was about three basis points. Our second quarter deposit expense was unchanged and the overall cost of funding was relatively stable.

We have a low cost funding base and we did not expect this to increase in a continuing low rate environment. Net interest income was down a $1 million from the first quarter. This decline is partially attributed to the restructuring of our investment portfolio.

During the quarter we sold over $1 billion of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac mortgage backed securities and reinvested in Ginnie Mae securities, resulting in a $1 million in lower portfolio income and generating a $1 million net gain on the sale.

This restructuring lowered our risk weighted assets creating capital relief, while improving the liquidity of our portfolio and not materially changing its duration or income profile going forward.

Looking forward we remain asset sensitive to short-term rates about 50% of earning assets including commercial and business lending, commercial real estate and HELOCs are aligned with LIBOR and Prime and are expected to reset favorably in a rising rate environment. However, absent any Fed action, we would expect ongoing modest margin compression.

Turning to non-interest income on Slide 7, income was up $6 million from the first quarter and up $14 million from year ago. Our fee categories have generally seen solid growth with the exception of deposit service charges. Core fee-based revenues were generally all up things to higher trust, insurance, brokerage, and syndication fees.

Mortgage banking income was up $3 million from the first quarter and was up $5 million from year ago. The increase from the first quarter was due to higher seasonal production and sales volumes. Other non-interest income is also up due to the previously mentioned gain on the investment portfolio restructure.

Investing in fee generating businesses is important in this slow interest rate environment. We are optimistic about our fee trends and our outlook for high single-digit year-over-year growth. This quarter, we took a hard look at our retail securities brokerage business associated investment services, while our U.S.

markets have generally performed well over the last couple of years. Our brokerage business was not tracking with the overall market largely due to costs. As such during the second quarter, we decided to restructure these operations and streamline the distribution network.

We expect these changes will reduce brokerage and annuity revenues modestly going forward, but contribute the bottom line profitability. One Slide 8, we highlight our insurance business expansion through the Ahmann & Martin acquisition, we’ve significantly added to our property and casualty service capabilities and related insurance commissions.

Associated Financial Group is now positioned as a top 50 brokerage firm in the country servicing 14,000 clients. The acquisition enhances our ability to offer clients comprehensive insurance solutions. It creates powerful proposition for clients to centralize management of their financial risks to one trusted partner.

While our insurance commissions have been a key driver or our year-to-date non-interest revenue growth, we remind investors that our insurance business is seasonal. We generate higher revenues in the first half of the year and we expect insurance revenue to be lower in the second half of 2015.

Turning to Slide 9, total non-interest expense was up $3 million from the first quarter. Personnel expense was up and included $2 million in severance related to the previously mentioned restructuring of our securities brokerage business and the planned consolidation of 13 branches.

Occupancy expenses decreased $3 million from the first quarter, as you recall a non-recurring one-time lease breakage expense linked to office consolidations in Chicago was expensed in the first quarter. Advertising expense increased $1 million from the prior quarter, earlier this year we launched a multifaceted campaign.

From an experiential perspective, the campaign is currently centered on increasing fan engagement at Miller Park and partnership with Milwaukee Brewers, and increasing brand awareness at Union Station in Chicago. In the fall the campaign will shift over to our longstanding partnership with the Green Bay Packers.

We continue to maintain our focus on expense discipline as we react to the changing banking environment. Turning to Slide 10, we highlight changes to our branch network and our progress in various multi-channel initiatives. As I mentioned we made a decision to consolidate 13 additional branches by year end.

We know that fewer transactions now take place in our branches. About a third of all transactions occur at our ATMs. Also about half of our deposit customers are active online banking users. Mobile banking is our fastest growing digital platform and about 20% of our depositors are using it.

Also in the second quarter our $5 million website redesign was launched. The redesign created a more robust e-commerce experience. It is designed to drive sales across channels by making it easier for customers to search for content, compare products, obtain financial guidance, and initiate the purchase process.

Over the past several years we’ve closed or consolidated over a 100 branches to adapt to these changing customer branch usage patterns. Over the same period we invested in digital banking solutions. Furthermore insured deposits, those deposits with less than $250,000 have increased 50% since 2011.

Our deposit growth is actually accelerated as we’ve reduced branches. Our second quarter income taxes were $22 million with an effective tax rate of 31% comparable to the $22 million we recorded last quarter and the year ago quarter. Also our effective tax rate does not move materially.

Turning to Slide 11 our credit quality continue to improve this quarter, potential problem loans decreased 9% at $200 million the balance is 31% lower than a year ago. Our non-accrual loans also decreased from the prior quarter as a result non-accrual loans improved to 88 basis points of total loans down from a 105 basis points year ago.

Allowance for loan losses fell modestly from the first quarter and our allowance to non-accruals ratio improved to a 163% due to lower non-accruals. While net charge-offs increased $3 million the net charge-off ratio of 19 basis points still reflects low credit risk and a benign credit environment. The increase was driven primarily by a single credit.

The provision for credit losses was $5 million in the second quarter and essentially flat to the first quarter. Moving on let me comment on capital. Capital management has been a central theme in our strategy over the past several years.

We’ve managed our Tier 1 common capital into our target range of 8% to 9.5%, which is still above our pre-crisis levels. During the second quarter the company issued $65 million of preferred stock for net proceeds of $63 million also during the quarter the company repurchased $63 million of common stock or approximately 3.2 million shares.

This combined issuance and repurchase allowed us to pull forward our plan repurchase activity and accelerate our move into our target capital range. Last month we released our company-run capital stress test results as required by the Dodd Frank Act.

Given the hypothetical severely adverse economic scenario, we maintain sufficient capital to remain well-capitalized throughout the nine quarter forecasting horizon. We are well-positioned for changing economic cycles and future challenges. Going forward we expect to continue to follow our stated corporate priorities for capital deployment.

Before we move to our 2015 outlook I would like to address our conciliation agreement with the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development. This agreement was finalized in the second quarter and resolves HUD’s investigation into the company’s lending practices between 2008 and 2011.

Over the next three years, we’ll enhance our existing lending programs and market strategies and minority communities by opening a new branch location adding four mortgage loan production offices, expanding our special financing programs and providing affordable home repair grants.

The costs of these enhancements will be spread over four calendar years and are not expected to have a material impact on our financial results. We are pleased to have the HUD matter resolved, and we are always committed to meeting the financial needs of all the people in the communities we serve.

Turning to Slide 12, we concluded our 2015 full-year outlook. Our outlook is not materially changed from last quarter. Assuming no Fed actions on rates our margin outlook is for modest compression through the second half of the year.

We expect to manage our total expenses to not more than $700 million this is essentially flat last year excluding the Ahmann-Martin acquisition. With our current Tier 1 common capital ratio now in our target range, we will continue to follow our stated corporate priorities and we will pause on additional share repurchases.

So, with that we’ll open it up to your questions..

Operator

Thank you. We will now be conducting a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Our first question is from Dave Rochester of Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead..

Dave Rochester

Hey, good afternoon guys..

Philip Flynn

Good afternoon Dave..

Dave Rochester

A question on the resi growth that was very strong this quarter.

Can you just talk about the structure of those loans and then the pricing you are getting on that product right now?.

Philip Flynn

We haven’t changed any of our product set so what you see going on to the balance sheet, our adjustable-rate mortgages 315171 rates on the five-year, what are they at now Chris..

Christopher Niles

They are just little over three, so the nice thing is they’re marginally accretive to the margin as we put them on given the alternative asset classes. I guess the shift we’ve seen is - in the first quarter we saw more refinance and here as we moved into the second quarter we saw majority purchase and new construction activity..

Philip Flynn

And then in addition to what came on at the balance sheet we did another $350 million of [performing] 30-year largely which we sold..

Dave Rochester

Gotcha. And then you're talking about the increasing competitive pressures.

So I was just wondering what type of pricing you are getting now on C&I and commercial real estate new loan production?.

Christopher Niles

Well, everything is priced up at LIBOR so we are starting at essentially zero or pretty close. And if you can get couple 100 basis points spread on top of that, you probably feel pretty good, but that yield is still coming on at call it two in a quarter and it impacts the margin..

Dave Rochester

Got it.

And then on the securities restructuring could we end up seeing more shift to Ginnies in the back half of the year [or is it that] and then what were the rates on those securities purchased?.

Philip Flynn

Sure, the overall rates were roughly comparable for the ones we sold so there was not a material change in the yield which is why you don’t see a real yield impact in our margin tables, but those are yield sub two. In many case, we have taken a good look at the billion dollars that trade made sense at the time.

There is some more we could do, but we’ll evaluate that based on marketing conditions. It won’t be as big as what we just said though..

Dave Rochester

Got it. And then just one last one on expenses.

How much in cost savings should we expect to come into the run rate for the branch closers and then how much more work is there that you can do in terms of closing branches in 2016 or are you pretty much wrapping that of this year?.

Philip Flynn

Well, we believe that depending upon deposit attrition we pick up starting next year about $3 million a year with these 13 branches that we’ve closed. It’s hard to say what other plans will come out in 2016. We’re constantly evaluating the network, we’re moving branches, and we’re just continuing to build new branches, find better locations.

I can’t tell you that we’re done, but I can say that as we've gone through this process where we’ve closed now basically a third of the branches over the past eight years. The low hanging fruit is gone and every additional decision gets harder and harder..

Dave Rochester

Okay, are you guys pretty much done with your branch update plan at the end of this year?.

Philip Flynn

Yes. The branch renovations are wrapping up by this fall that’s not to say that we won’t continue to relocate branches occasionally or maybe even build new ones, but the program that we started more than three years ago is wrapping up this fall..

Dave Rochester

Okay. Great. Thanks guys..

Philip Flynn

Thank you..

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from Scott Siefers of Sandler O'Neil. Please go ahead..

Scott Siefers

Good afternoon guys..

Philip Flynn

Good afternoon, Scott..

Scott Siefers

Phil or Chris I just want to make sure I understand that the cost savings on the branch closure and I mean it’s small at 3 million bucks, but so you’re suggesting that allow us drop to the bottom line or will I imagine at least a portion of that gets reinvested as you kind of continue to build up the mobile and digital channels et cetera.

How are you thinking about that dynamic?.

Philip Flynn

Well, I mean the money is somewhat [functionable]. So closing those branches picks up $3 million of expense sales year-after-year-after-year going forward, obviously there is costs in severance lease terminations et cetera this year. What we choose to do with the response as far as reinvestment will be determined as we move forward.

In addition to the cost savings that we pick up with these branch closures the restructuring of AIS are investment brokerage will also pick up $3 million to $4 million of expenses going forward for the year..

Scott Siefers

Okay.

All right, and how much of the $2 million in severance costs this quarter was the most - most of that related to the brokerage side or another, how much of the $3 million in costs for the branch rationalization that we expect in the second half for the year?.

Philip Flynn

The $2 million of additional severance was the combination of the brokerage business, the branches and a few other things. There is still some lease breakage and such to come in the second half, call it $2 million to $3 million and something like that..

Scott Siefers

Okay. All right, thank you and then….

Philip Flynn

You have to expense that as you actually close..

Scott Siefers

Yes, yes now I understand I was just curious how much we saw versus how much that will be, so I appreciate that color.

And then Chris just on the margin I guess I thinking on a reported basis maybe a little more thought, but when you just for things kind of in line with the two basis points to four basis points you would kind of been suggesting when we last spoke 90 days or so ago.

As you look forward I know you guys have kind of been hoping the margin would bottom around the 280 area or so.

Is that still what the hope would be or until we get the fed to move which I guess hopefully would be end of this year, could we drift a little thought for that number?.

Christopher Niles

Yes, to reiterate Phil’s comments which is assuming there is no fed action, we would expect continues modest compression depending on the timing and magnitude of fed action that can stabilize and maybe even some positive, but if there is no fed action it will continue to compress through the end of the year..

Philip Flynn

I think one of the changes that we really seen taking hold not just through the first half of this year, but perhaps accelerating is even more competition for assets out there and so loan yields continue to be under pressure as banks compete for assets..

Scott Siefers

Okay, and then maybe just one final one and I guess Phil we’ve had a little more volatility recently in energy prices.

I think when you guys spoken in April you're hoping that the energy portfolio begin to expand again in the second half of the year and just based on what you've seen so far year-to-date and then with the renewed volatility in prices, what are your thoughts on expansion and contraction in that portfolio?.

Philip Flynn

It’s very hard to say we’ve had some volatility, but nothing like what we experienced so generally oil has been in a trading range of 50 to 60 bucks now for let’s got six to nine months something like that.

So there is a certain amount of price stability that starting to reenter the market as some of our borrowers go about rebuilding their balance sheets maybe selling assets et cetera, you could start to see some more activity, but I would guess that our portfolio probably is flattish to up a little as we go through the balance of the year..

Scott Siefers

Okay, all right that’s perfect. Thank you guys very much..

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from Emlen Harmon of Jefferies. Please go ahead..

Emlen Harmon

Hey, good evening..

Philip Flynn

Good evening..

Emlen Harmon

Point of clarity on the securities restructuring in the quarter, it sounds like you effectively kind of switched into Ginnie Mae securities fully, but we did note that there was an impact on the yields and I think the income in the second quarter.

So was there a period where you are kind of uninvested there and we should expect some improvement in the securities broker, can you kind of walk me through I guess how the restructuring took place?.

Philip Flynn

You are correct. We were partially uninvested for a portion of the quarter that resulted in interest income. However we also essentially sold first and bought later and as result of selling first we picked up more price and so recognized a $1.2 million gain in the quarter.

So those two largely offset each other but we expect yield will sort of normalize moving forward..

Emlen Harmon

Got it. Perfect, thank you.

And then just on the pause of the repurchase program, it would appear that you guys over the next few quarters will start to kind of re-accrue some capital and improve the capital ratios I guess how long do you pause on that buyback program before kind of re-accessing are you on your capital position and whether that’s something that you want to resume?.

Philip Flynn

Well, we have been pretty transparent about our uses of capital as time has gone on. And we’ve also been quite explicit about what our range was. So for the first time we’ve moved into that range, we’re at 9.3 as we said. So we use the word pause very deliberately.

It doesn’t mean we aren’t going to buy back shares in the future, but the clip of give or take $30 million a quarter that occasionally has been different is not something you should expect.

But we will remain opportunistic and as we evaluate how much capital we’re building up and as we look at potential opportunities to deploy in other ways, share buybacks are always one of the tools that something we’ll consider..

Emlen Harmon

Got it. Thanks for taking the questions..

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from Jon Arfstrom of RBC Capital. Please go ahead..

Jon Arfstrom

Hey, thanks good afternoon..

Philip Flynn

Good afternoon Jon..

Jon Arfstrom

Just a couple of follow ups just on Emlen’s last question Phil you said other uses for capital, can you give us an update on your thinking attitude opportunities for acquisition?.

Philip Flynn

Sure, you saw to the insurance acquisition earlier we continue to look at opportunities both in insurance space potentially other fee generating spaces as well as top two other banks. So if something comes that we find meets our risk profile and looks attractive, we would move forward on that..

Jon Arfstrom

Okay.

You feel there are opportunities there in the bank space?.

Philip Flynn

There is opportunities but as I think we described over and over again, we are risk adverse crew around here and we do believe that there is an element of risk in buying a depository in a whole bank transaction, which is pretty high.

There is regulatory risk, there is approval risks and there is the risks of understanding what it is you bought in the potential problems that might be embedded in that company. So we are cautious..

Jon Arfstrom

Okay.

On the topic of Ahmann & Martin and insurance, Chris we hear you loud and clear on the revenue pullback from seasonality but can you maybe help us size a little bit?.

Christopher Niles

I would take a good look at last year’s second half and add a reasonable addition for the Ahmann & Martin piece I think we gave some guidance earlier in the year and that targets pretty close..

Jon Arfstrom

Okay. All right. And then on loan growth drivers obviously your resi and warehouse heavy quarter little bit different on last quarter. I am just curious and then some of your comments on the tightens of some of the spreads on commercial. Curious your future drivers of loan growth as it going to look a lot like this quarter.

Do you expect C&I and CRE to pick up again?.

Philip Flynn

We expect CRE to pick up again they have a very robust pipeline and they have a number of relatively newer vintage construction loans, which will be funding up. C&I is little harder to predict. We are very disciplined about looking at the risk adjusted return on capital that we are getting for extending loans right now.

And we’re fortunate to have a relatively for bank our size broad geography and relatively broad group of businesses that were in. So we don’t have to necessarily chase every commercial loans, if we don’t think we are getting paid for the risks.

So hard to predict we are out looking for transactions there is a number that are in the hopper of course we always have significant pipeline. So I would expect more CRE growth then we saw potentially some more commercial growth although harder to predict.

The warehouse business is really highly dependent upon rates and sales activity and the resi-mortgage business is just really strong and we have a very strong mortgage business here. So that will continue to clip along..

Jon Arfstrom

Okay, good.

And then just quick one the FTE growth in the quarter give us an idea of where you are adding bodies?.

Philip Flynn

Sure. Keep in mind that the Ahmann & Martin acquisition closed partially - part way through the first quarter so what you are seeing is essentially 110 people, 113 all in for the Ahmann & Martin acquisition..

Christopher Niles

That our key count is going to go down over the balance of the year with the branch consolidation and the AIS restructuring we talked about..

Jon Arfstrom

Okay. All right, that helps. Thank you..

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] The next question is from Ken Zerbe of Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead..

Ken Zerbe

Thank you. Just want to clarify on the fee guidance that you are giving, the upper single-digit growth versus 2014.

If I put in my numbers right, you had $80 million in the first quarter, $87 million second quarter, but to get even sort of like 9%-ish growth year-over-year, you need to have about $75 million in the next two quarters for fees which is a pretty sizable reduction is am I missing anything is there any unusual items that I should be backing out or adding into or could we really see fee income in the mid $70 million range?.

Philip Flynn

Ken, I think that you might be including all of the gains on sales of other assets in those numbers..

Ken Zerbe

Yes, okay..

Philip Flynn

We wouldn’t expect recurring gains on the investment portfolio. We might do a slightly smaller restructuring, but it certainly wouldn’t be in that magnitude and I don’t normally assume additional gains on sale of other assets. There might be some, but again it’s not in our projections. We are talking about core fees..

Ken Zerbe

Are you increasing mortgage?.

Christopher Niles

We feel pretty good about our guidance.

How is that?.

Ken Zerbe

No, understood. Even if I took that asset fees and then maybe we can follow-up off-line, but if I take that asset fees I want to make some matters worse because you had a fair number last year. Okay, I am struggling with this maybe I’ll follow-up offline..

Philip Flynn

You can follow-up Ken offline..

Ken Zerbe

Okay, but just yes or maybe yes or no, but is in the mid-70s a fair number for core fees.

Philip Flynn

Probably a fair number..

Christopher Niles

It’s likely based on where we are, that will be slightly above the mid-70s, but it certainly won’t be running at a second quarter’s total numbers now, as we’re coming down from the second quarter..

Ken Zerbe

That helps, okay. All right, thank you very much..

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from Chris McGratty of KBW. Please go ahead..

Christopher McGratty

Hey, good afternoon, everybody. Chris, maybe I miss it in your prepared remarks, but assuming that [indiscernible] moves at the end of the year, whether it would be September, December.

Can you talk about how you are thinking about the transition from the margin degradation to stability and ultimately expansion I mean just really encountered the timing it is a several quarter phenomenon or is a kind of an instantaneous move?.

Christopher Niles

Yes, I think what we’ve seen in prior rate movement cycles and Phil and I work together at another institution certainly went through a nice long rate cycle, as we were able to substantial deposit lag by leading players in the marketplace and we would note in certain of our markets there are core players that are pretty disciplined and we’d like to think that in the Wisconsin marketplace there is a couple of core players that are fairly disciplined.

And so in those markets we’d expect to see a reasonable deposit lag.

When we talk about deposit data’s internally those numbers are roughly in the 0.5 range most of that comes from repricing of course the wholesale funds which is nearly instantaneous and repricing in money market products, but we’d expect that our savings now and other consumer oriented accounts would be far more modestly pricing and that there will be a reasonable deposit lag for several quarters..

Christopher McGratty

Okay, so here and you are right assuming the fourth quarter so when we get the hike obviously you’ll lag the deposits quite a bit in 2016, but the asset repricing should lead to expansion pretty quickly in 2016 is that a fair characterization?.

Philip Flynn

Yes, all things sort of being as model we’d expect to seebetter income in the first quarter after fed raised assuming that the full quarter benefit again the book is largely LIBOR oriented, but there are 30 and 90 day LIBOR barrowers and so given the full quarter to pass and then you should see the asset side expand and assuming where deposit lagging as we would expect.

We would probably see a quarter or two of improvement first on the asset side followed by an increasing interest expense over time..

Christopher McGratty

All right. That’s helpful, thank you..

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from Jared Shaw of Wells Fargo. Please go ahead..

Jared Shaw

Hi, good afternoon and thanks.

Most of it I was just going to ask is going to ask just on the restructuring, could you just walk through sort of the timing on that again just trying to reconcile how we are able to go to 0% risk-weighted assets and not change the yield or duration and sort of kicking in there?.

Philip Flynn

No, I think the risk-weighted timing worked for us because there was a - working time we decided we want to execute on the strategy for a variety of reason we decided to execute on the sales first and we expected that we’d be giving up a little bit either yield or duration as we reinvested and because we held off on the reinvestment, we are actually able to buy back about the same our end points.

Now that left us uninvested for a portion of the cycle which cost us net interest income, but since we sold earlier and we got the benefit of that, we got it in the gain upfront as we reinvested over time patiently throughout the quarter we are able to reinvest in potentially near neutral..

Jared Shaw

Okay and then as we look at the full quarter how on a percentage basis roughly how long of the quarter would you say you are uninvested in that one month of the quarter or less than that or more than that?.

Philip Flynn

Most of the impact came in one month..

Jared Shaw

Okay..

Philip Flynn

So we gave up a $1 million of interest income which now it were reinvested are going to be essentially at the exact same year going forward, so I really think - look at this is a one quarter phenomenon where we just had a little geography shift between net interest income and $1 million gain and going forward it’s all about what it used to be..

Jared Shaw

Yes, with the lower risk-weighted..

Philip Flynn

That’s with risk-weighted assets which is not….

Jared Shaw

Okay, great. Thank you very much..

Philip Flynn

Thank you, Jared..

Christopher Niles

Probably can do the same thing again today, which is why we may not do more..

Operator

Thank you. At this time I’d like to turn the conference back over to management for any additional or closing remarks..

Philip Flynn

Okay, well thank you for joining us today. We are pleased with this quarter’s performance, we saw continued balance sheet momentum, strong fee revenue, stable core expenses and we return capital to our shareholders.

We continue to make strategic decisions as we are managing the company for the long-term and we are committed maintaining our credit and expense disciple in this low rate environment. So we’ll look forward to talking with all of you again in the next quarter and if you have any questions in the meantime please give us a call.

Thank you for your interest in Associated..

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today’s teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. And thank you for your participation..

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