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EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT
EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT 2020 - Q1
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Operator

Thank you for standing by and welcome to the Q1 FY '20 Earnings Call. Today’s conference is being recorded. If do you have any objections, please disconnect at this time. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to turn today’s call over to Mark Oswald. Sir, you may begin..

Mark Oswald Executive Vice President & Chief Financial Officer

Thank you, Jacqueline. Good morning and thank you for joining us as we review Adient’s results for the first quarter of fiscal year 2020. The press release and presentation slides for the call today have been posted to the Investor section under our website at adient.com.

This morning, I am joined by Doug DelGrosso, Adient’s President and Chief Executive Officer; and Jeff Stafeil, our Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. On today’s call, Doug will provide an update on the business, followed by Jeff, who will review our Q1 financial results and 2020 outlook.

After our prepared remarks, we will open the call to your questions. Before I turn the call over to Doug and Jeff, there are few items I’d like to cover. First, today’s conference call will include forward-looking statements. These statements are based on the environment as we see it today and therefore involve risks and uncertainties.

I would caution you that our actual results could differ materially from those forward-looking statements made on the call. Please refer to Slide 2 of our presentation for our complete Safe Harbor statement.

In addition to the financial results presented on a GAAP basis, we will be discussing non-GAAP information that we believe is useful in evaluating the company’s operating performance. Reconciliations to these non-GAAP measures to the closest GAAP equivalent can be found in the Appendix of our full earnings release. This concludes my comments.

And I will turn the call over to Doug.

Doug?.

Doug DelGrosso

first, related to launch management. The team's focus around change management, enhanced readiness and program reviews enabled a significant improvement in launch performance over the past several quarters. The flawless launch scorecard on the CT5 discussed moments ago, demonstrates the significant year-on-year improvement achieved in the Americas.

The improved performance is translated into significant reduction in launch costs, down in the Americas and EMEA of approximately 40% and 50%, respectively year-on-year. In addition to launch management, the team has made solid progress improving operating performance at several of our manufacturing locations.

The improved performance resulted in significant year-on-year reduction in premium freight dropping over 85% for the Americas and EMEA combined in Q1 2020 compared with last year. Ops waste is trending in a similar direction, declining 35% in the Americas and close to 30% in EMEA year-on-year.

Within ops waste containment costs are also down significantly for both segments. Outside of the progress we made through operational improvements, maintaining a strict focus on cost has also contributed to Adient's improving financial results. Our VAVE initiatives designed to take material costs out of the system continues to accelerate.

In fact, we increased the number of customer engagements in the region -- regional benchmarking centers located in our technical centers. During Q1, we completed 20 plus workshops across the Americas and EMEA, which included customers, suppliers JIT in metal.

In Asia, over 1,000 new VAVE ideas were generated from workshops and internal reviews, 129 projects moved from action to implement. Opportunities to reduce SG&A spend remains focused for the team. The changes made in our organization structure last year continue to provide further opportunities to rightsize our above plant structure.

Point of reference, Adient's full-time equivalent headcount at the end of 2018 was down about 4% compared with 2018. This translates into approximately $40 million a year gross savings for the company. Lastly, having a disciplined approach to where we allocate capital, whether it be for a program or customer, its helping to drive profitability.

As we look to close the margin gap with our peers, it may be necessary to walk away from certain programs and customers that aren’t profitable. This commercial discipline is focused both on existing and future programs. At the very bottom of the page, we included various improvement proof points for our metals business.

Since this business is being run as part of the reportable segments, whether its Americas, EMEA or Asia, it's not surprising to see the KPIs heading in the similar direction to those we just covered for total Adient. Adjusted EBITDA for total plants improved $38 million versus Q1 last year.

Launch costs are down, outbound premium freight is down and ops waste has been significantly reduced. These metrics indicate we're heading in the right direction.

One final point as it relates to reporting of our metals business, since our reportable segments are being run to maximize the segments profitability, isolating the performance of the prior's metal business has become increasingly difficult.

For example, as we take actions to reduce our above plant costs, Jerome and Michel are making decisions to improve the profitability of their overall segment. In many instances, the actions taken do not involve a person that's 100% dedicated to seats or metals. It's likely a resource supporting the overall business.

We recognize the need to continue to provide you with appropriate proof points to give you confidence the turnaround plan is progressing, and we will continue to do that essentially like we just discussed. Unfortunately providing additional detail will not be possible.

That said, our commitment to bring the business to cash flow positive by 2022 remains intact and we're on track to do just that. Turning to Slide 7. I thought this slide would be a good reminder both internally and externally and what the company is driving for. It's simple. We are executing actions to increase shareholder value.

Began last year, as we stabilize the business and improve relationships with our customer. As we exited fiscal 2019, we transition to the improvement phase of the turnaround. This, of course, is underpinned by our specific focus areas of launch management, operational improvement, cost reduction, commercial discipline.

Although its early days, our second half performance in 2019 and recent first quarter results demonstrates the company is solidly on track. With the business stabilized and steadily improving, and as expected earnings and cash flow growth are materializing.

In addition, we are now positioned to execute additional actions to further enhance shareholder value, such as portfolio adjustments, levering our relationships in China and accelerating debt repayment to name just a few. No doubt, we are off to a good start, but we realize there is a lot of work ahead.

Before turning the call over to Jeff, just a few comments on how Adient is addressing challenges presented by the serious coronavirus. First and foremost, the health and safety of our employees is always Adient's top priority.

To ensure this during the virus outbreak, we've implemented a variety of safety measures, including restrictions on business travel to, from and within China and the APAC region; closing our offices in China until February 10 in compliance with the government extending the Chinese New Year holiday to February 9; implementing an office sanitation program and enforcing strict hygiene protocols for our employees.

We continue to closely monitor the situation and we will adapt these guidelines as appropriate. In addition, we formed a global response team to ensure a coordinated contingency plan is in place, proactively monitoring any impact related to customers, suppliers and joint venture relationship.

Prior to any estimate on specific impact to Adient's business, it's too early to forecast. We are working with our customers and suppliers to remain aware of and connected to their efforts and the outbreak continues as more details and information become available, we will provide updates as appropriate.

With that, I will turn the call over to Jeff, so he can take us through Adient's financial performance for the quarter and what’s expect as we progress through the rest of the fiscal year '20. Thanks..

Jeff Stafeil

Thanks, Doug, and good morning, everyone. I will start my comments on Slide 9. And adhering to our typical format, the page is formatted with the reported results on the left and our adjusted results on the right hand side of the page.

We will focus our commentary on the adjusted results, which exclude special items that we view as either one-time in nature or otherwise skew important trends and underlying performance.

For the quarter, the biggest drivers of the difference between our reported and our adjusted results relate to an asset impairment related to the write-down associated with the expected sale of Adient's 30% stake in YFAI, a loss associated with the sale of our RECARO Automotive Seating business, purchase accounting adjustment, our amortization and to a lesser extend restructuring costs.

Details of these adjustments are in the Appendix of the presentation. Sales were $3.9 billion, down 4% year-over-year excluding the impact of FX. Adjusted EBITDA for the quarter was $297 million, up $121 million or 69% year-over-year and is more than explained by improved business performance across Americas, EMEA and Asia.

Included in the results are roughly $30 million of commercial settlements from various customers that tend to be lumpy across quarters; and another, call it, $10 million in tax credit at various JVs in China. I will have more on these items as we walk through the segment results.

Finally, adjusted net income and EPS were up significantly year-over-year at $90 million and $0.96, respectively. As you can see, the improved operating results were partially offset by higher tax rate in this year's first quarter versus a year-ago.

As we've discussed, our tax expense is higher in the current year due to booking valuation allowances in several geographies in the second half of fiscal '19. Now let's break down our first quarter results in more detail. Starting with revenue on Slide 10.

We reported consolidated sales of $3.9 billion, a decrease of $222 million compared to the same period a year-ago. Lower volume and mix across North America, Europe and Asia, impacted the year-over-year results by approximately $179 million. As a side note, in North America the impact of the GM labor strike impacted results by about $55 million.

In addition, the negative impact of currency movements between the two periods, primarily in Europe impacted the quarter by $43 million. Worth noting the call out at the bottom of the slide, consolidated sales in China were up 6% year-on-year, well ahead of vehicle production in China, which was up approximately 1%.

Unfortunately, for the line with internal expectations discussed with you in November, significant volume declines in Thailand, Japan and South Korea, more than offset China's performance in the APAC region.

With regard to Adient’s unconsolidated seating and SS&M revenue, driven primarily through our strategic JV network in China, sales were up about 4% when adjusting for FX, again outpacing the 1% increase in China's vehicle production over the same period.

Sales for unconsolidated interiors recognized through a 30% ownership stake in Yanfeng Automotive Interiors were down 3% when adjusted for FX. Important to note, about half of this business is conducted outside of China. Moving to Slide 11, we provided a bridge of adjusted EBITDA to show the performance of our segments between periods.

The bucket labeled, Corporate, represents central costs that are not allocated back to the operations, such as executive office, communications, corporate finance, legal and marketing. Big picture, adjusted EBITDA was $297 million in the current quarter versus $176 million last year.

The corresponding margin related to the $297 million of adjusted EBITDA was 7.5%, up approximately 330 basis points versus Q1 last year. Excluding equity income, as noted at the bottom of the slide, our margin increased 260 basis points year-over-year to 4.8%.

Although the team made significant progress during the quarter, as demonstrated by the year-over-year improvement, these results do not reflect the desired level of profitability for the business. The team remains focused on executing the turnaround plan to drive Adient's margins to best-in-class..

lower SG&A costs to Americas

the sale of Adient's 30% ownership stake in YFAI to Yanfeng. Although the partnership we have with Yanfeng is highly valuable and strategic, the interiors business is not core to Adient's. We’ve said in the past that we would be open to monetize in the investments if the opportunity arose, and we have now found such an opportunity.

The sale price was $379 million, and if you recall, we were expecting equity income from the -- from YFAI to total approximately $45 million for fiscal 2020, of which $17 million was included in our Q1 results. By the way, we expect a little to no tax leakage on this transaction. We also agreed to make amendments to the AYM joint venture agreement.

As a reminder, AYM is a 50 joint venture with Yanfeng that was formed in late 2013 to produce mechanisms, such as recliners, tracks, height adjusters and locks. The amendment to the JV agreement include the sale of mechanism patents and other intellectual property to AYM for $20 million.

AYM will license such IP back to Adient on a royalty-free basis and a change in AYM's business scope to allow AYM to carry out its mechanisms business both inside and outside of China. This change in business scope is significant as Adient intends to further leverage AYM's expertise going forward.

Sourcing a larger portion of Adient's metals to this high quality, low-cost business should allow us to accelerate the rightsizing of our metals business. And finally, Adient and Yanfeng agreed to extend the JV agreement with YFAS to December 31, 2038. This extension demonstrates a strong commitment to the partnership in the region.

In summary, these actions strengthen our valuable relationship with Yanfeng, demonstrates our continued commitment to the core seating business and disciplined approach to our capital allocation, especially as we pivot to become less capital-intensive with the rightsizing of our metals business.

As noted on the slide, we expected to -- expect to use the approximate $400 million in proceeds to delever the balance sheet. This amount is incremental to the $100 million to $200 million of debt pay down discussed on the previous slide.

Now turning to Slide 17, I will continue with a few comments on what to expect as we progress through the remainder of 2020. I know many of you may be tempted to take our Q1 results and multiply by four to get a revised full-year estimate.

I wish it were that easy, but unfortunately there are several or certain macro factors and Adient's specific headwinds that prevent us -- are preventing that from being the case. Let's breakdown the specifics. Starting with revenue, we expect the full-year to settle between $15.6 billion and $15.8 billion.

Although the range is not changed from our previous estimate, certain of the components have shifted mainly related to the divestiture of RECARO for the balance of the year, but it's largely offset by an increase in production expected at GM as they work to make up lost volumes associated with the labor strike.

Also important to note, as previously communicated, second half 2020 revenue is expected to be $400 million to $500 million lower compared with the first half driven by lower industry volumes and the impact of several product launches, including the Ford F-150, Ram, various Nissan programs in North America, Volkswagen's ID.4, various Daimler programs and the PSA Citroen C4 Picasso in Europe.

For adjusted EBITDA, the solid start of the year combined with further benefits expected from a turnaround plan, underpin the upward revision to between $870 million to $910 million versus our previous expectations of between $820 million to $860 million.

The new adjusted EBITDA range reflects a $30 million decrease to equity income resulting from the announced sale of YFAI as we do not plan to report equity income for YFAI on a go-forward basis. Thus, the midpoint of our guide is approximately $80 million higher than the previous guide on an apples-to-apples basis.

Important to point out, the planned decline in revenue in the second half of 2020 both on the consolidated and unconsolidated JVs, it's expected to partially offset continued operational improvements in both America and EMEA.

Further impacting our balance of year earnings is our launch load in the second half of the year, which is biased towards programs that carry relatively high decremental margins. Speaking of equity income, we now expect equity income will range between $235 million to $245 million factoring in our Q1 results and announced sale of YFAI.

As a reminder, we continue to expect equity income will mirror seasonality patterns of China's vehicle production, strongest in Q1 followed by a substantial decline in Adient's fiscal second quarter, which tends to be impacted by lower production surrounding the Chinese New Year holiday.

In fact, we're expecting an approximate $70 million reduction in equity income in our second quarter compared with the quarter just completed. A forecasted $500 million reduction in sales in China in Q2 versus Q1 is the primary driver. In addition, we will not record YFAI income -- equity income, as I previously mentioned. One more point on China.

The macro environment is very uncertain at this time given the coronavirus. The impact of the virus on the economy is currently unclear and our guidance therefore does not include any prolonged or a significant impact.

However, we continue to monitor the situation closely and we will update our planning assumptions as appropriate as we better understand its impact to the industry and Adient. Moving on, interest expense has been revised lower to approximately $190 million. This estimate does not take into consideration the accelerated debt pay down discussed earlier.

As a large majority of the pay down will be dependent on the closing of the YFAI transactions, which we expect will take place before the end of our 2020 fiscal year. Cash taxes in fiscal '20 are still expected to range between $100 million to $110 million similar to last year's level.

Important to remember, net operating loss carryforwards can offset income as profits increase, so cash taxes on Adient's operations should remain low even as profits are increasing. With regard to Adient's effective tax rate and for modeling purposes a rate in the high 30% range is still appropriate.

We would expect that rate to fluctuate on a quarterly basis due to the valuation allowances in our geographic mix of income. Based on our first quarter performance and given our intense focus on cash flow, we now expect capital expenditures to settle in the $440 million to $460 million range. And finally, one last item for your modeling.

We expect our improved operating profit and reduced capital expenditures will result in positive free cash flow for the year. With that, let's move on to the question-and-answer portion of the call..

Mark Oswald Executive Vice President & Chief Financial Officer

Jacqueline, if we can take the first question..

Operator

Absolutely. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from John Murphy of Bank of America. Your line is open..

John Murphy

Good morning, guys and congrats. Again a lot done this quarter. Just first on the Yanfeng transactions.

I’m just curious why you're pulling the trigger on this now? Is it something, Doug, that you kind of started working on once you got there and it just took some time to get it done, or what was really the impetus for doing this right now?.

Doug DelGrosso

Okay, John. Just so -- first of all, good morning and thanks for calling in.

Which transaction specifically?.

John Murphy

The Yanfeng transactions on the JVs..

Doug DelGrosso

Okay. Just wanted to make sure. It's a little [indiscernible]. So as Jeff mentioned, the opportunity arose as we look to renew our YFAS joint venture in China. That’s been a tremendous asset for the company. We were in talks with YF and we were looking to find a way to take that relationship to the next level.

We felt that, that was best served as we built the relationship not only extending in China, but also looking towards our mechanism business to see how we could globally leverage that business. As part of that discussion, we've been looking for opportunities to extract cash out of China to our advantage.

YFAI became an opportunity for us and because that’s not really a core business on the interior side that we participate in, we just felt the timing makes sense to go after it. So that’s generally how the stars aligned, if you will, and we're really excited about the opportunity to continue to build that relationship with YF.

I don’t know, Jeff any other comments?.

Jeff Stafeil

No, I think you hit it well.

Just as you look at YFAI, we talked about that being non-core in finding that opportunity, but John if you look here, it was very important for us to extend the joint venture with YFAS, highly successful and expanding that relationship with AYM, just dovetails right in with the plan, Doug has outlined, to improve the cash flow of this business by taking some of the emphasis off of the mechanisms business that’s historically used a lot of capital and hasn’t necessarily had a great return.

AYM has really done the opposite, they’ve had great returns, we own 50% of that business, so this allows a nice harmony and it all kind of came together. It took a while to get together. So it's not like we just worked on it this quarter, but it's been in the making for a while..

John Murphy

And maybe if I can follow-up on the AYM side. I mean, it sounds like this is allowing you to maybe rationalize the -- your core consolidated structures business a bit faster.

Is there the potential there could be asset sales from your core business into the AYM JV that might raise more cash or is that kind of a -- sort of a no-no?.

Doug DelGrosso

No, that’s not a no-no. That’s something we will look. This is the first step. We think there's more that can be done. Nothing announced today, but that’s something we will -- absolutely we would be looking at..

John Murphy

Okay. And then, Doug, just as we think about the margins, I mean, you got ways to go to grind to sort of peer or "normalized" margins. But this quarter kind of showed you’re making some real definitive progress on some of the issues of premium freight excess cost and launches issues.

I mean what is kind of your thought process as to when you might be able to get to "normalized" peer margin? Is this something that's still going to take 2 to 3 to 4 years as you’re rolling off some of the old bad contracts, or is it something you get to maybe sooner than that?.

Doug DelGrosso

Well, if we take some of the macro environmental issues out of the equation, to answer your question, I think we've made good progress. I still think this is a multi-year journey, we're not changing that time horizon as a result of our Q1 performance.

But it is clearly demonstrating when we focus on the basics from a launch in operational performance and meet our customers' expectation that we really change the environment with our customers and we can get a lot more done.

So that’s always been our approach, stabilize and meet our customers' expectations from a delivery performance quality and then that opens the door for us to engage with them, I will say, commercially and also on a cost side of the equation. So still multiyear, but we're pretty satisfied with the performance that’s reflected in Q1..

John Murphy

Great. Thank you very much..

Doug DelGrosso

Thank you..

Jeff Stafeil

Thanks, John..

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Joseph Spak of RBC Capital Markets. Your line is open..

Joseph Spak

Good morning, everyone. Thanks for taking the question.

I guess, just to start on the commercial settlement, it sounds like what you're saying is this is lumpy, this is based on some recoveries and sort of contractual recoveries, is that right? And this is not a result of some of the other sort of commercial settlements you've talked about and going back to customers and trying to sort of reprice some of the contracts?.

Doug DelGrosso

It's both. As we’ve always said, there's been a backlog of issues that were difficult to close out with our customer because we have performance issues that were in our control standing in the way. So as we’ve addressed our performance issues, that's allowed us to come and engage with our customer and resolve some of the backlog, if you will.

The other element is a function of the way the calendar and fiscal year end, and we get a lot of things done at the end of our customers calendar year that benefit us in our first quarter fiscal year. So it's both, if you will..

Joseph Spak

Okay. In the remaining China JVs, your guidance, I think, like if you -- on an apples-to-apples basis, it's kind of steady. But one quarter was much stronger than expected, and there was sort of that $10 million tax credit. So it implies some significantly lower implied margins in the seating JVs over the course of the year.

What's driving that? And is that a sort of a more new normal rate to think about in China?.

Doug DelGrosso

It's a little bit of the latter. So we align our forecast with what our customers provide us for the immediate. And then we look at IHS to give us an idea what we can expect to -- beyond the releases that we have with our customers, or what our stated customers' volume are projected to be. Part of it is mix.

We have customers like SGM and Ford, who have been struggling in the market that takes that number down. But that really defines most of it [indiscernible] side. I don’t know, Jeff, do you have any additional comments..

Jeff Stafeil

Yes. Joe, I would say, for the most part as we look at China it's got pretty high decremental margins, it's pretty -- it's strong business. So as we predict weaker sales environment that’s going to drive some margin reduction, mostly just because of the decremental side.

I would say, what we’re seeing in Asia largely has been a volume story and not really a margin story, but to some degree there's a mixed story within that margin. SGM, Doug, mentioned, is a key customer. It's also significantly -- presumably to be impacted pretty heavily, about 20% of their productions is in Wuhan in China.

So as we look at -- going forward, that’s an important customer for us, but in general, what we projected here is mostly driven just by volume expectations in the market..

Joseph Spak

Okay. And quickly on the AYM portion of the JV actions.

How long does it -- will it take for them to get set up on mechanisms? And can you offload or, I guess, you like outsource business to them, or is this more for go-forward contracts?.

Doug DelGrosso

So they ….

Jeff Stafeil

Yes, yes and yes is probably right. Well, they have -- they essentially provide all of our mechanisms in the China market today and ….

Joseph Spak

So they're set up today?.

Jeff Stafeil

… they’re are well today. In fact they’re incredibly well set up today. They have a plant in China that is world-class at not only supplies, the majority of our product in the region also exports to Europe and North America quite well..

Joseph Spak

Okay. Thank you..

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Dan Levy of Credit Suisse. Your line is open..

Dan Levy

Hi. Good morning..

Doug DelGrosso

Good morning..

Dan Levy

Taking questions. Just wanted to follow-up again on the commercial settlements here.

How should we think about how many more contracts you have that really need to be repriced? And just what's the -- if they’re reprices, it's just for like a one-time annual benefit or is this for the duration of the contract? Just trying to get a sense of the sustainability of these benefits into out years? And how much more you have to reprice within your contracts and programs?.

Jeff Stafeil

Yes. Dan, before Doug talks about some of those other points, let me just maybe get a little bit of a primer on sort of the commercial settlements for us. We have obviously enormous number of contracts with our customers that have volume components that have all kinds of different components that impact the price our customer pays to us.

And we also have productivity or price reductions that we estimate that we will give to them through the year. What you’re -- what we're talking about here for the most part in this commercial settlements is routine activity of the company that happens year in, year out. If you go back and look at history, we had these since the beginning of time.

But they tend to be lumpy and we're trying to basically emphasize that comment here. We tend to make an estimate, let's say of what productivity number we might give to a customer and as we get to the end of the year with the mix of all the other commercial issues, we either overestimate or underestimate where that is.

What we tend to be is, we tend to be a bit conservative as a company on this. So we generally as we reach the final conclusion with each of these customers, which typically happens at the end of our -- at the end of the calendar year we tend to have a bit of a benefit.

So in our first quarter fiscal year, historically, our accruals would sort of suggest this over time is pretty consistent. We get a similar type benefit. You just can't annualize it through the period and that’s we’re trying to really emphasize here and calling it out..

Doug DelGrosso

And maybe if I can just further that. What I would add to it, a year-ago we had a lot of unresolved contractual issues with our customer for the most part, those have been addressed. What I will say as we move forward and its somewhat the nature of our business is, our product tends to change quite a bit.

And that creates opportunity for us to engage with our customers and offer solutions that could benefit our bottom line. That’s just the nature of the Seating business. That’s something we’ve recommitted our activities to support.

So when we talk about VAVE, that's not just necessarily running workshops to find ways to take cost out of, that’s an important part.

It's also telling our customers where there's real value in the product based on our assessment of the market and benchmarking their product into what we takes most valuable and then operating mid-cycle solutions that otherwise they wouldn’t be investigating. And that's really our focus as we move forward is continuing to drive value.

Many of our customers are looking for ways to take cost out of the Seating product to address some of their needs. Many of our customers are looking to move away from controlling that value chain and giving us the opportunity to control it, if we can offer a better commercial proposal for them.

So it is kind of a continuous activity that we've recommitted ourselves to that our regional groups understand and our customer groups understand. And so when we talk about closing that gap to our peers, a lot of it will be a result of just being more commercially savvy with our customers..

Dan Levy

Okay, great. Thank you. Second question. Your organic growth, revenue growth in quarter was minus 4%, but that's actually a couple of points better than what light vehicle production did in the quarter. And you’ve now had a couple of quarters, a handful of quarters of organic revenue outgrowth versus the market, it's lumpy, but it's still outgrowth.

And this is even with what should be downsizing of SS&M.

So can you just give us a sense of what's happening in your organic growth or the incremental content? Is it just better platform exposure? And what might this tell us about how to think of in the future your relationship of organic growth versus LVP, call it the outgrowth, setting aside what's going to be the likely impact of future downsizing of SS&M, which I suspect we haven't really seen yet in the revenue results..

Doug DelGrosso

Okay. So it's certainly -- a lot of it has to do with mix. And one of the great things about our revenue portfolio of products is we have great mix to SUV, light truck, luxury customers.

And as that mix -- as the market mix turns in that direction, that certainly gives us benefit and that’s particularly true in the Americas, where we're well-positioned in the light truck market. I think that’s part of the answer.

If we look at -- we’re not releasing the projected backlog, because our relationships with our customers have significantly improved, our performance has improved, we've resolved commercial issues, we feel very confident about our backlog. The numbers we typically talk about is incumbent business that we continued with.

And we're operating, in the case of China, it can get a 100% and the high 90s everywhere else in the world. So we feel good longer-term that, that backlog continues to come on. I think that really covers -- I think it answers your question.

Any additional comments to that, Jeff?.

Jeff Stafeil

No..

Doug DelGrosso

I guess that’s how we would look at it..

Dan Levy

There is no sort of backlog, air pocket or anything like that when we've heard of some of your competitors talk about conquest business, it sounds like, you're saying that you’re winning all the JIT business, the backlog is intact. There's no future air pocket that make her between now versus when these rewins that you’ve talked about occur.

Is that a fair assessment to this relationship, is that [multiple speakers]..

Doug DelGrosso

That’s a fair assessment. The only disclaimer I would put on that is the comments we made in our formal remarks that there are business that we're taking a hard look at, and if we can't put together a thoughtful financial projection and gets us a return on investment, then we’re prepared to walk away from that. At this stage, nothing to announce.

But that's, again, a different attitude I think we have when we look at new business opportunity. Nothing sacred. And we weigh each opportunity, each customer in each region for each product different. They’re not weighted equally and we take that all into account before we decide whether we want business or not..

Dan Levy

Okay. Thank you..

Mark Oswald Executive Vice President & Chief Financial Officer

And Jacqueline can we take our last question from Bryan..

Operator

Yes. Our last question comes from Brian Johnson of Barclays. Your line is open..

Brian Johnson

Two questions. First on the SS&M licensing and arrangement with Yanfeng.

Does this open up the possibility to engage in value engineering discussions with North American and European customers about moving sourcing mechanisms to China, or to …?.

Doug DelGrosso

In fact, we’re already doing that. That was happening independent of this, we just think bringing these businesses closer together allows us to make buy decisions even within our existing asset base to decide where its best to put business.

I think we’re more aligned today the way we think about that, engaging our purchasing organization than historically we’ve been. So we’re making those moves as we speak and have been making them, say over the last year plus..

Brian Johnson

And in terms of the impact on supply chain logistics, just a smoothment for the JIT factories, what’s the customers' reaction to those suggestions?.

Doug DelGrosso

Typically -- well, first, our operations in China with AYM are outstanding operations. Many of our customers know them either from their relationship through China or as a result of the products that we shifted them through our JIT plants. So there are no entity. For certain products they're very cost-effective, and so that's taken into consideration.

We always take into consideration extending supply -- our supply chain and the logistics costs and currency risk etcetera associated with that. So that's all baked in to the cake, if you will.

And when we can bring forward a -- an attractive business proposal taking all those issues into account, we are pretty transparent with our customers, they understand the benefit that they will receive and they are usually very much aligned with the decision and support it..

Jeff Stafeil

And effectively they’re producing the same parts that we’re. We design these together. Remember, it's our JV, so it's common. We both produce the same recliner 3000 series. They’ve just been able to do it at a lower cost, but the output of the product is the same. So for the customer its -- yes..

Doug DelGrosso

Yes and one additional point. We also operate a technical center through AYM. So this is not just the traditional low-cost country sourcing. They’ve got a lot of technical prowess. They can support the customers in region beyond just manufacturing side of things..

Mark Oswald Executive Vice President & Chief Financial Officer

Great. Thank you, Brian. And Jacqueline, it looks like we’re at the bottom of the hour, so this will conclude the call this morning. If anybody did not get their chance to ask questions, please feel free to reach out, Jeff and I will be available today. Thank you..

Doug DelGrosso

Thanks, everyone..

Jeff Stafeil

Thanks, everyone..

Operator

Thank you for your participation in today’s conference. You may now disconnect at this time. Have a wonderful day..

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