Glen Ceremony - Chief Financial Officer Holger Bartel - Chief Executive Officer.
Ed Woo - Ascendiant Capital.
Hello, everyone. Welcome to the Travelzoo Second Quarter 2018 Financial Results Conference Call. All participants have been placed in a listen-only mode and the floor will be open for questions following the presentation. Today's conference is being recorded.
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Travelzoo's CFO Glen Ceremony will start with an overview analysis of the second quarter financial results..
for the third quarter of 2018, we expect positive year-over-year changes in revenue as we have experienced over the last several quarters with a focus on increasing our revenue from expanded offerings in our travel products and better performance in Asia Pacific.
We are planning to maintain the increased marketing spend as well as maintain our investments in Asia Pacific. In addition, going forward we plan to pick up our portion of the income statement results of our equity investment. In summary, given these trends and investments we expect year-over-year growth to continue in our third quarter of 2018.
We aim to maintain positive operating income while we will selectively reinvest in our business in areas such as Asia Pacific as well as our products and audience to support future growth.
Holger will update you on various initiatives underway that we expect to further drive purchases and bookings by our members starting in the second half of the year. We also continue to take steps to control non-investment area cost to continuously increase our productivity. Now, Holger will provide you an update on Travelzoo's business initiatives..
We are pleased with the progress that we are making in our goal to build Travelzoo into a much larger global and highly profitable travel membership organization and community. Revenue growth has resumed or accelerated in almost all markets that we are operating in and our focused investments in product and technology is start paying off.
With solid operating margins in North America and Europe, we will continue to invest into our franchise in China and other countries in Asia Pacific. And we're looking to grow revenues even faster in the second half of 2013, and then in 2019.
From Slide 15, I would just like to highlight two initiatives that are under way, which I believe will increase member activity and revenue growth.
We are close to launching the global technology that we've been working on that offers our members who live around the world the ability to book the hundreds of exclusive hotels, yes, we negotiate every month also as complete trips.
We have found and tested that when for example a member in London receives a special offer for a hotel in Rome, she or he are several times more likely to book a trip, if the offer is not just a hotel only rate, but a package that includes hotels, air fare and local activities.
We have also found that hotels and airlines are willing to give us better rates if we bundle them into a package offering. We are rolling out this technology in select markets in Europe this quarter starting in Germany a couple of weeks and this does not mean that we are looking to become tour operate ourselves.
Instead we are working in various markets with established and experienced partners in the travel industry. We are merely leveraging these partnerships and the global technology to create a better offering for our members in a more simple and convenient way for them to take advantage of a fantastic deal.
On the marketing side, we have started to beef up our marketing teams around the world. Our research shows that we still have a large opportunity to grow Travelzoo beyond our current member base as many consumers either do not know about us or don't know what we do.
Many of our existing members are highly loyal, but we need to further build visibility and skill. We are finding that partnerships with strong brands are effective and cost efficient way to reach new audiences and build out our reach.
To further support both of these initiatives we have strengthened our executive team by recently bringing in a Global Head of Brand and a seasoned Chief Technology Officer. To summarize again on Slide 16, as we maintain quality leadership, we are aiming to increase the number of exclusive offers for our members that are available on demand.
We want to accelerate top-line growth and my goal is still to double the size of the company in the next few years. This will require some investments but as we have done in the past we will do this in a smart way while maintaining and even increasing profit margins. Now back to the operator..
Thank you. The floor is now open for questions. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Ed Woo with Ascendiant Capital. Your line is open. Please go ahead..
Thank you for taking my question. I have a general question on the travel industry.
What are you seeing out there? Are you seeing any impact from I guess the stronger dollar?.
In general the travel industry is improving in many of the regions because there's less reason now for people not to travel to certain countries. So for example, in Europe where we really saw a trend in the last couple of years after a lot of the terrorist attacks and fear of people to travel to certain countries that's normalizing.
So that's very good. Travel from the U.S. to Europe is quite strong because I think the strong dollar is a good explanation for that.
And last but not least, the travel that we are seeing from Asia and particularly China into Europe and North America continues to increase and interestingly the Chinese tourists don't travel simply just to destinations like Rome or Paris, but now they are open to travel into destinations that maybe they didn't think about so much before, which I think is a good opportunity for us to make our Chinese members a way of -- deals and offers at places that they maybe were not so familiar with.
So that's a good trend for us..
Great. Then I have some question on -- you mentioned some of the personal travel offers were in part tour operators.
How is that different than what was done previously and how much personalization can you -- you want to add versus just sending on a email to [indiscernible]?.
So the main point of that is really to make an offer more relative -- first step of the packaging technology that we are about to launch is to make an offer more relevant for our member.
So we are member right now in let's say Cincinnati, Ohio, you would have received from us up to-date hotel so we might tell you, hey they have a great hotel in New York, but you might need to go and seek out yourself how to book the air fare.
We will make it very easy to tell you; look here you can book an entire trip, you can add on your flight, you get a great deal on it and we tell you even what are the best dates to do that. Previously if you were a member in Cincinnati, you might also receive offers that depart from New York or Chicago or San Francisco.
And you really wouldn't have no one to know what is the price and the relevant offer for you without going and asking. So I think that's much more convenient. Now that we are able to further personalize and target the messages to our members.
We are in a good situation to really leverage the information we have helping our members to further personalize these offerings and particularly the messages that we send to them outbound..
Is it that much more expensive or time consuming to be able to like you said send a deal or air fare from Cincinnati versus being able to send it just from a major airports was obviously since cargo base are scattered throughout the country.
I would imagine you probably want few much on events and hotel at the location, but the air fare is going to be very, very personal for that specific location, how much more effort there is costs for you to do that..
It's not difficult on the publishing front. We can do that already today. We have done that for many years. So that's not an issue for us. We have the technology. What's new is that we now have the technology to real-time bundle the hotel deal that we have in New York with current air fares and that's what's really new and that is actually automated.
So our role is simply to review and say and confirm, yes, this is a good offer but this technology really simplifies our operations and makes them more efficient..
Great. Let me ask a different question. Your local deals have kind of more focused recently.
What is your take rate, have they changed at all now that you are becoming much more focused much more personalized rather than you have much more broader? Has it changed at all?.
Take rates hasn't changed much in the last few years, really no big differences there. But I'm very happy that local deals grew by 10%, for example in North America this quarter. And that's really an attribute to the great team they have in place.
We have now really good team, who bring amazing offers for our members and they're just starting to pay off. So thanks and shout out to the team there..
Great. And as you guys are almost rolling transmission business from kind of advertising model to part of conversion model. What about the overall economic outlook. I think previously that the margins are much higher when you -- conversion when you are doing a -- booking into a hotel.
But, what do you see as the overall kind of margin impact -- your transition [indiscernible] paid for conversion or booking that deals [indiscernible] like in advertising?.
You are right. The margins are indeed lower if you sell something yourself, which is why we decided in hotels, we actually built entire infrastructure to allow our members to book hotels through us. We built it all ourselves was a big investment.
It's time now when I came back as CEO, I said we want to do it differently with packaging, we are actually doing it with partners. We have some great partners out there we are working with and on deals and the way the terms are negotiated our margins on that are actually quite good.
Keep in mind the margin on these products is a margin on the net revenue. So the net revenue is actually what we would report as revenue and the margins on that is actually quite comparable to the media business. So we really learned from hotels and we have to do it differently at this time for packages.
But let me also make a few generic comments Ed because I'm obviously not happy about the stock price today. There's just too much volatility. And obviously that's self-inflicted by the large swings in EPS going from $0.20 in the first quarter to $0.04 now.
And now it's disappointing because our business continue to grow at the same pace in Q1, in some areas even grew faster. But we increased that spend by $1 million and that's what impacted earnings and now we see the results and the stock price.
As a CEO obvious I need to do what I think is right for the company in the long run, but I think we also need to be better at managing quarters. And as I said earlier, I want to double the business, the size of this business in the next few years.
But one thing that's important to understand is as we grow revenue from $100 million to $150 million and hopefully to $200 million, operating margins will really improve.
This is the business that have scale, our operating costs are mostly fixed and if you look back at Travelzoo's history in periods when we had fast growth, our earnings improved even further and even faster than revenue. So historically our operating margins were running at something like 15% to 30%. And no we really should get back to that level.
So how are we going to achieve that? Well, first of all, we have APAC, where losses will not continue forever. Right now, we are investing, we keep incurring losses, these losses aren't tax deductible. So that really brings down our EPS quite significantly.
As the performance in Asia Pacific improves as revenue grows and margins are coming up and we finally make a profit. That will change the financial picture of the entire company quite dramatically and that can happen relatively fast.
Second, I'm really excited about this packaging technology because we have actually tested it in a few markets and we have seen that if we promote this packaging product rather than just the hotel, members are buying several times more frequently.
And third and fourth we have a couple of other strategic areas that we are focusing on, but I don't really want to talk about them publicly too much because I don't want to tell our competitors what we are planning to do.
But overall, our goal is still to bring revenues up significantly, improve operating margins, which I think will come quite a bit as we continue to grow the revenue. And we've shown in the last three quarters revenue is going up again and this will continue and we still hope that in 2019 that will even further accelerate..
Very well. Thank you for your clarification and for answering my questions and I wish you guys good luck. Thank you..
Sure. Sure. Thanks Ed..
Thank you. And I'll turn back now to Mr. Holger Bartel for closing remarks..
Okay, ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your time and support for dialing in and we look forward to speaking to you again next quarter with better results. I hope okay. Bye..
Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's teleconference you may disconnect your lines at this time and have a pleasant day..