Greetings, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Star Equity Holdings, Inc. First Quarter 2021 Results Conference Call.

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In the earnings release today and its comments management makes reference to both GAAP results as well as adjusted results. The adjusted results are non-GAAP and do not include nonrecurring charges; also adjusted EBITDA, which is a non-GAAP measure that further excludes depreciation, amortization, interest, taxes and stock-based compensation.

Management believes the presentation of these non-GAAP measures, along with GAAP financial statements and reconciliations, provide a more thorough analysis of ongoing financial performance. Investors can find the reconciliation of results on a non-GAAP versus GAAP basis in the earnings release.

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Shortly after the call, a replay will be available on the company's Web site. It is now my pleasure to introduce Jeff Eberwein, Executive Chairman of Star..

Thank you, operator. Good morning, and thank you all for joining us today for our first quarter 2021 results conference call. On the call with me today are Matt Molchan, CEO of Digirad Health; and our CFO and Chief Operating Officer, David Noble.

In the first quarter of 2021, our Healthcare division continued to be impacted by the COVID-19 pandemic with revenue declining slightly versus the prior year quarter. However, we continue to see activity levels rebounding steadily towards normal levels.

Our Construction division grew revenue 65% with much of the growth attributable to significantly increased output at KBS. Gross margin percentage in our Construction division declined as a consequence of rising raw material prices, but is expected to return to more normal levels in the coming quarters.

During the first quarter of 2021, the company completed the sale of DMS Health Technologies business unit for $18.75 million, and we completed another small sale for $1.4 million.

The asset sales in Q1 substantially improved our balance sheet and liquidity position with net debt decreasing from $20.4 million a year ago to $13.5 million at the end of Q1.

We are now better positioned to fund high return internal growth investments and pursue acquisitions, which could be bolt-ons in Healthcare or Construction or entry into a new business sector. We continue to execute on our holdco growth strategy and value enhancement initiatives to maximize shareholder value.

Our holdco structure allows division CEOs to focus on operations and organic growth, while holdco management focuses on corporate strategy and capital allocation.

In addition to looking for attractive bolt-on acquisitions for existing operating businesses, we're also looking to create new business divisions in the future through the disciplined acquisition of businesses complementary to our holdco structure. With that, I'll turn it over to our Healthcare CEO, Matt Molchan. Matt, please go ahead..

Thanks, Jeff. Revenue from our Healthcare division in Q1 2021 fell by 2.7% to $13.3 million over the same period in the prior year. Although Q1 2021 revenues for the Healthcare division decreased slightly from Q1 2020, this division has largely recovered from the COVID-19 pandemic related downturn, and is now performing at near pre-pandemic levels.

However, even though doctor offices have reopened, they are not yet operating at full capacity. But as state-by-state vaccination levels increase, we expect to see our operations fully return to normal levels later this year.

Gross profit for Q1 2021 reporting period decreased by 9.6% and gross profit margin decreased by 1.5% over the same period last year. Although revenues only decreased by 2.7%, gross profit declined by a higher percentage due to certain fixed costs related to employees, insurance, rent, utilities, and repairs and maintenance expenses.

In Diagnostic Services, revenue and gross margin percentage for the first quarter of 2021 were $10.2 million and 15.7% compared to $10.8 million and 18.5% in last year's first quarter.

The decrease in Diagnostic Services revenue and gross margin percentage compared to the prior year was primarily due to a decrease in testing days and scans resulting from the continuing impact of the COVID-19 pandemic. In our Diagnostic Imaging business, we did see early signs of improvement.

Revenue and gross margin percentage for the first quarter of 2021 was $3 million and 32.3% respectively compared to $2.9 million and 30.4% respectively in the prior year first quarter.

The increase in Diagnostic Imaging revenue and gross margin is a good indication that the slowdown of camera sales associated with capital funding delays and uncertainty due to the COVID-19 pandemic is easing up. Now I'll turn the call over to David Noble, our CFO, who will provide additional financial highlights for the first quarter.

Dave, please go ahead..

Thank you, Matt, and good morning. I'll first mention results for our Construction business, which now accounts for 40% of our consolidated revenues. For the first quarter of 2021, the Construction division revenue and gross margin were $9 million and 6% respectively compared to $5.5 million and 7.3% in the prior year first quarter.

Much of this increase in revenue was due to the increased utilization at our primary production facility at KBS in Maine, and that was due to our re-entry into the commercial scale residential modular market during 2020.

The slight decrease in gross margin percentage was due to the adverse effects of higher raw materials prices, which offset the benefit of higher output levels. For Q1 2021, on a company wide basis, SG&A increased by 3.9% compared to Q1 2020.

This was due to $0.3 million increase at the Construction business as a result of increased commissions and headcount, offset by $0.1 million in reduced travel expense in the Healthcare division. Moving on to consolidated bottom line results for the first quarter of 2021.

We had a net loss from continuing operations of $0.6 million compared to a net loss from continuing operations of $2.4 million in the same period in 2020.

Non-GAAP adjusted net loss from continuing operations in the first quarter of 2021 was $1.7 million or $0.35 a share compared to adjusted net income of $1.3 million or $0.65 per share in the first quarter last year.

Non-GAAP adjusted EBITDA decreased slightly to negative $0.9 million for the first quarter of 2021 compared to negative $0.5 million in the first quarter of last year, and this was driven by the continued COVID 19 impact, particularly on our Healthcare operations as well as some increased raw materials prices that affected the Construction side.

For the first quarter of 2021, we registered an operating cash outflow of $2.2 million compared to an operating cash inflow of $0.6 million in the first quarter of last year.

As of March 31, 2021, the outstanding balance on our credit facilities was $16.8 million, which includes $3 million in PPP funds and we fully anticipate that they will be completely forgiven in coming months. Therefore, our overall net debt position, including $13.3 million in cash and cash equivalents, was $3.5 million.

Now I'd like to turn the call over to the operator for questions..

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Tate Sullivan with Maxim..

I think you commented that the raw material price pressures will moderate in terms of passing on in prices later this year.

But can you just give another update? I think, is most of the pressure in the structural wall panel business or is it modular -- the larger projects in modular Construction, or can you just give whatever additional detail you can with the raw material prices, please?.

I mean it affects both of the Construction businesses on the edge builder side in the Midwest, where we do the wall panels that you mentioned. It has a more serious impact in a way because most of the value of those panels is in the wood commodity that goes into it. The labor value add is relatively small.

So we've seen quite an increase there and it really affects margins. But what I would say is we're working through those projects that we had agreed to at lower commodity prices, and we're still continuing to win large projects at current prices. So we're locking in normalized margins with the activity that we're pitching for now.

On the modular side, it also has an impact, but there's a lot more that goes into a modular unit than just the commodity. There's other building materials, bathtubs and windows and doors. And although there's been some price increase there, it's not so dramatic as what we've seen on the commodity side. But the same thing goes for that business.

The business that we are signing today takes into account the current commodities prices. So we've pretty well worked through anything where the prices that we agreed to were far lower at the time. In fact, the large project that we did in Natick, Massachusetts, last year, we bought those materials almost a year ago at much lower prices than today.

So we were pretty well shielded on that project..

I would just add that we have -- like the whole industry, we've been significantly increasing our pricing. So we can and do pass those higher input costs onto our client base. And like I said everyone in the industry is doing that. But it just takes a few quarters to roll through our financials in periods like this with a lot of volatility.

The accounting method companies use has an impact on short term results and we use average cost, other companies might use LIFO or FIFO, over the long term, all those things even out. But in the short term, you can get some differences based on the accounting method..

And then just looking at the gross profit in Building & Construction returning to more normalized levels -- I mean as a more normalized level for the rest of the year.

I mean what it was at 19%, above 15%, or how do you look at a normalized level of margins for that business?.

I think we'd say, I mean, there's still a lot of uncertainty in our Healthcare business and Construction business, and recovering from COVID and input prices, so we haven't given guidance for the year. But I guess the short version to answer your question is we have a goal of significantly increasing our margins in the second half of the year.

And the price increases that we have put through have been significant, and it just takes a few quarters for those to filter through.

And then long term when we think about the plan for this business, it's to have a Construction business that can generate 20% gross margins and an EBITDA margin of at least 10%, that's the long term plan and that's very achievable, and it's what we're working hard to deliver.

And we've talked previously about our growth plan for this division and at least on a top line basis, that's definitely coming through. We've been ramping up output and our sales pipeline is stronger than I've ever seen it. So the end customer demand is very, very strong.

I mean the higher prices gives them some pause, but the outlook is really strong for this division. It just takes a few quarters to pass through these higher input prices..

And just last one for me before I turn it over. I think the last call, you mentioned efforts to get more into affordable Housing and in Building and Construction.

Is that underway or have you secured orders in that segment of your Construction business?.

I mean that is a very interesting space. As you can imagine, some of the themes that go along with modular construction, such as reduced waste and more sustainability and cheaper prices, et cetera, to quicker delivery than doing it on site. That all makes sense for the affordable housing market.

So yes, that is one of the segments we're pursuing but there's other segments. There's student housing, there's passive homes, apartment buildings, et cetera. But definitely, affordable housing is one area that we are pitching a lot.

I can't speak to things that may or may not be signed, but that is an area we expect to be doing more and more in the medium term for sure..

Our next question comes from the line of Theodore O'Neill with Litchfield Hills Research..

Jeff, here in the prepared statements, you talked about pursuing acquisitions that could be in the Construction business, and it seems to me there must be a plenty of undercapitalized construction companies that would be targets.

But could you talk about how you might think about that compared to expanding in the existing square footage that you've got already?.

We're guided by wanting to increase value per share that’s our guiding metric, everything else is a means to that end in many businesses. And I think this is an example. Scale is really helpful. The more scale you have, the higher margins that you make and higher return on investment and the more durable, sustainable business model.

And so we're open minded to both and they're not mutually exclusive. So we do think there are some undercapitalized construction businesses that we could add on to our existing business and we're looking for one plus one equals three type of opportunities.

And we are also looking to increase output at both businesses, but particularly KBS, where we have a very significant factory just a few miles away from our existing factory. And I think it's just a matter of time before we do open that factory.

And in the meantime, we're continuing to debottleneck and reengineer our existing factory to improve output..

And I don't keep track of lumber prices very well.

But in terms of the wall panels and the impact on margins, is the pricing particularly -- or is it pricing particularly higher or rising faster in that segment? Because it's special treated lumber or is it just every piece of lumber is seeing the same kind of inflation?.

Yes, it's the second one. Like if you just look at what people refer to when they say lumber or the futures market, that's a specific grade with a specific location. And that price a year ago -- at the low last year was, if I'm going off memory, $250 and a more normal price over -- the long term is $300 million to $400 million.

Anyway, at the end of last year, it closed at $1,000 million, so it quadrupled off the bottom. And year-to-date, and we're only in May, the price of lumber is up 70%. And that is a proxy for all sorts of different lumber products as well as OSB, which is a big input.

There's not a futures market for OSB, so it's harder to track the price on a day-to-day basis. And in some cases, it's hard to even procure the materials because of the supply shortages, which are causing the price spike. But these things do tend to normalize out over time and come back to earth, but we're not running our business on hope.

We're pricing projects based on today's commodity prices and having a lot of discussions with clients about them buying the materials and taking on that risk or compensating us for the volatility that we're seeing in the import prices..

Our next question comes from the line of Adam Waldo with Lismore Partners..

I know there are a lot of different moving parts on the commodity side and construction. But as you think about the enterprise overall, it seems as if the leading and coincident indicators are all pretty much hitting in the right direction, recovering from COVID, which is great to see.

So as you put it all together at the enterprise level, what's your best sense now for when we'll return to being sustainably operating cash flow positive?.

So I would say, EBITDA isn't the same as cash flow but it is a leading indicator.

And strongly, we think will be EBITDA positive in the second half of this year and see very substantial growth in EBITDA over time as things recover to normal and as we get back to more normal margins in the Construction business and continue to grow the top line in Construction.

And converting that into positive cash flow generation, we have interest expense, which is now going to be much, much lower because we have paid off the vast majority of our debt and working capital investments. And we've made a tremendous investment in working capital, particularly in the Construction business over the last year to fund that growth.

But we think if we continue to grow revenue, our margins improve to more normal levels, EBITDA will have a significant increase over time and our cash flow generation will have a significant increase over time.

And even though our businesses are different, one common theme throughout all of our businesses is very low maintenance CapEx, and you can see that on our cash flow statement.

And the business that we sold was a much heavier CapEx business and that's one characteristic that we do like in looking at acquisitions and looking at different growth prospects is businesses that have low maintenance CapEx, and we want to find businesses that generate earnings and cash flow..

And I know it's a little hard, but are we feeling pretty confident that by the end of this calendar year, early next year, we continue to be in a more normal post-COVID operating environment given the current scale of the business post the divestitures completed in the first and early second quarters here that we're in good shape to be sustainably free cash flow positive?.

We think so, we should be. There's a lot of unknowns out there. And at the beginning of last year, I don't think anyone was predicting that we'd have a global pandemic that would shut down the global economy for a period of time.

So there's a lot of unknowns out there in the world but there's no structural reason why preventing us from returning to more normal levels in all of our businesses..

And then one more, if I may, and this is related to the preferred stock. So prospectively, I presume that preferred stock is probably going to be a component of compensation for future acquisitions in terms of what's given to the sellers of acquired companies.

And obviously, we have a preferred out there that is now more than six quarters in arrears on its preferred dividends payments that are accrued and unpaid. And I think technically in default of a couple of the provisions related to that six quarters in arrears.

So with the balance sheet substantially cleaned up post the divestitures completed earlier this year, are we now at a point where we expect to be able to clean up the accrued and unpaid dividends and resume dividend payments on the preferred?.

That's a good question, and we suspected that this question might come up. And I would just say, it's a board level decision, not a management decision. And we got these businesses sold just a little over a month ago. And the first priority was to pay down debt and the close of the -- the big sale of DMS closed at the end of the day, on the 31st.

So we got the cash, and we did pay down the credit line associated with the Healthcare business. And then since the end of the quarter, we've paid down substantially more debt. And so that was kind of the first priority. And the Board is certainly studying all the different options and pros and cons of all capital allocation decisions.

But we don't -- so we're studying it and we'll have something to announce at some point in the future..

Our next question comes from the line of Jeff Kobylarz with Diamond Bridge Capital..

Jeff, I heard you say earlier that the sales pipeline at KBS was stronger than you've ever seen it.

And can you give any -- kind of put any numbers around that at all?.

We actually have our Head of Business Development and Sales with us today. So I'm going to turn this over to Dave, our COO; and Matt Sullivan, our Head of Business Development for KBS. But we've publicly talked about a sales pipeline of over $50 million. And just a reminder, that's just for the KBS business.

And so that doesn't even include the business that we have in the Midwest. If you include that, our sales pipeline is higher. And so just a couple of quick things I would say is we maintain that pipeline even after winning several large projects last year.

And if you think about how mechanically that works, if you win a project, your pipeline actually goes down because you're putting that large project into production.

So the fact that our pipeline stayed around the $50 million level after winning those large projects is an indicator that we have other large projects that got put into our sales pipeline, enabling it to stay around that $50 million level. So that was kind of accomplishment, number one.

And accomplishment number two is, I think our sales pipeline today is at least 20% higher than that level. But I'll turn it over to Dave and Matt Sullivan to just talk about what they're seeing in the market and potential projects that are coming down the road, and they can talk about those at a high level..

You summarized it pretty well, actually. So I'll probably end up turning it over to Matt pretty quickly. But yes, I would say, we are seeing strong demand both on the single family houses, which this is really the season that that gets busy.

So we're seeing a lot of good demand in northern New England for single family homes and also the initiative that we launched over a year ago now to get into more commercial scale business. That's a longer lead time business.

So it takes a lot of time and effort to get those projects online from the time you start pitching them, but we have just numerous countless number of opportunities being shown to us that even six or eight, nine months ago weren't being shown to us. So we're very optimistic.

Commodity prices have caused some pauses of some projects, but it's not -- it hasn't been a wholesale effect. There's a lot of projects moving ahead just as quickly as they were before these commodity prices ramped up. But I'll let Matt Sullivan who happens to be sitting with us today just give a little bit of color on [Technical Difficulty] projects.

We can't talk about too much detail because we haven't announced this kind of stuff, but he can give you a little bit of color as to what he's seeing in the marketplace..

Matt Sullivan here, Vice President of Business development for KBS. So demand continues to grow in all sectors that we're focused on. As Dave mentioned, seasonal business is picking up in the residential markets.

But we're seeing greater opportunities in the multifamily space, both on the affordable housing, workforce housing and just multifamily opportunities throughout New England. So demand continues to grow and opportunities are significant.

So our space that we focus on is kind of that under $5 million in terms of project revenue, and there seems to be a tremendous amount of growth in that area specifically. So we're also getting more traction in the passive home and net zero space.

KBS has sort of differentiated itself from other manufacturers by being able to provide that type of construction. So it's something that has gained momentum and interest, not only in the affordable housing space but also in the kind of for profit opportunities.

And as Jeff mentioned, we're in that $50 million pipeline, early stage opportunities kind of mirrors that as well. So we've got some things that are projected out to 2022, that would be in that same level, another $50 million of business that we project further out.

So pandemic aside, the opportunities are significant and interest continues to grow for KBS..

And just for clarification, can I just ask about when you mentioned pipeline, it sounds like it blurs over a little bit into a backlog type of term. It sounds like some of your pipeline is a backlog.

And can you comment about that, how much of the $50 million is, say, contracted and agreed to?.

Yes, that's the total sales pipeline. We talk about it internally as sort of like our lead times, our assigned backlog.

Matt, would you maybe comment what is our lead time?.

Currently, we're running at about 10 weeks, 10 to 12 weeks for backlog opportunities, that's contracted work currently. The $50 million that we're forecasted is for business that has not officially been contracted. So different stages of the sales cycle..

So we do a variety of different things. And the sales pipeline or projects that were in active discussions on, and those numbers are all the gross numbers that we gave you. We also put a probability next to each one of those. And so we have a probability weighted pipeline and that's a pretty good number.

And it probably more closely mirrors future sales and that number has also been growing. And then what Matt was talking about was pre pipeline, some people would call it a funnel or pre pipeline, that's probably another $50 million of opportunities. So all those are really great leading indicators.

And the point is there's a lot of projects out there for us to do. So as we debottleneck the plant, increase plant at the existing plant and then eventually open a second plant, our production has a tremendous amount of upside. I think we have a slide in our investor deck that talks about having a goal of getting to 750 to 1,000 boxes a year.

And when we bought the business, it was doing less than 300 and we've already significantly increased that number. I think last year, it was around 400. Is that….

We did 280 last year and would be around 400 this year….

Yes, 280 last year. The hope for this year -- the goal for this year is to get 400. But then the long term vision is to be able to produce 750 to 1,000 boxes a year..

Yes, the only thing I'd add, the other piece of our pipeline that's hard to measure is the single family business. A lot of that comes in through a dealer network that we've established over many years. And you have very little sort of knowledge of what's coming in.

We just know that that's busy, but we might get a house and that's on the line two weeks later and it never hits our pipeline, because they're bidding it out to two or three different manufacturers and we win it and produce it pretty quickly.

So there's sort of a shadow pipeline that we're not even aware of, and you can really price yourself to get as much of that business as you want. But obviously, we want to price projects at gross margins that are attractive to us. But that's kind of a spigot that can turn on and off in addition to the longer lead time commercial business..

And so the dealer network, do you know what percentage of your volume it was last year?.

I'd say it was -- in '19, it was pretty much all of it, a large percentage of it, let's say, 80%.

Last year, probably about half of that or less?.

A little less than half..

A little less than half last year. And just to put into context what this is, these are local home building companies that build anywhere from 10 to 50 homes a year. A lot of them have been around for a really long time.

So they'll have a retail center that people can go to sometimes with some model homes on it, and a client can design their own home, customize it and then that dealer gives the order to us. And we're by far the biggest manufacturer in New England and we've improved our quality. We've improved our product.

And it is, we think, a very high quality product. And there's just not many other factories in the New England market. And bigger manufacturing centers are in Canada or Pennsylvania, which are a long way away to ship, which gives us a natural shipping advantage for the New England market.

So we really like our position, but your question was on dealer network and pipeline. And I guess the point is that we know the dealer network is going to give us orders of XYZ, but we don't know specifically what month or what exact client, but it's just kind of year in, year out, some of these dealers will give us 20, 30, 40 boxes to build.

And it is business we can kind of count on year-in, year-out..

Our next question comes from the line of Zach Liggett with Desmon Liggett Wealth Advisors..

The first question I had was on the preferred, but it sounds like that's to be decided here a little bit later.

As far as the the M&A front goes, could you give us a little more color on how advanced your pipeline is, what the funding strategy is going to be given the ideas you're looking at or at least some of the ideas there? And outside of the current segments, could you share what areas of focus you're looking at?.

It's hard to paint that with a broad brush, but a few comments I'd make are that we've been internally focused for quite some time. We bought the Construction business in late 2019, and we've been improving operations, revamping the sales force under Matt Sullivan's leadership and developing the market, getting back into the commercial market.

And then now everybody knows that we've been working on the sale of -- it's about 40% of our healthcare business that we sold. We announced that in the fall and got it closed March 31st. So we've been working on those things, and that's been the focus of a lot of our time.

And now that we've got that done, we are starting to have more of an external focus. And we have always had kind of a target list and had some discussions and probably more likely that we would do a bolt-on acquisition for the Construction business or the Healthcare business. But longer term, we will look for other legs to the stool.

But it's got to be something that fits with our structure where we can look at it and honestly say this company, this target inside our structure is going to be a lot more profitable and a lot more valuable.

And we think the construction acquisition that we did is going to be a really good case study for that, as an OTC pink sheets listed company at the time we bought it. We bought it using preferred stock. So there was no cash or parent company stock -- common stock that was issued in that transaction.

And our vision was to take a business doing $25 million to $30 million in revenue and doubling that and significantly increasing the profitability and the value. So that's the kind of opportunity we're going to look for.

And then at a high level, sectors that could be interesting and could fit with that, industrials, materials, financial services, business services, anything that we can understand and add value to is something we would at least consider and look at.

And I don't think you're going to see us do venture capital like investments in pre revenue companies where it's just not daily with or our strategy..

And then on the funding strategy, I guess -- I mean do you see adding leverage back to the balance sheet, or are you going to try to run the business real light on debt for at least near term?.

I think it all depends on the opportunity and the sellers. There's private companies out there. There are other micro caps out there that are already publicly traded. So a lot of it is just going to depend on the preferences of the seller, what it takes to get a deal done.

But what we like about the company we've created and the structure we've created is that we have a lot of tools in the tool kit. So bank debt is very, very cheap. That's a tool in the toolkit. Nonbank debt is more expensive, but is available. We also have our preferred stock, which could be an acquisition currency.

And then the bar is high to issue common stock. But it is possible sometimes to do acquisitions and increase NAV per share even if common stock is a component of the acquisition consideration..

Our next question comes from the line of Robert Strougo with RIS Investments..

Concerning our preferred stock, my understanding is that if you're six quarters behind, we as shareholders of both your common and your preferred, we understand we could put people on the Board if you're six quarters behind.

Why don't we just clean up this preferred? I think it's accruing at over 10% a year, so we could sell another preferred and/or have an exchange offer for this preferred and pay some of it off and clean up our balance sheet now that we have the cash. Can we do something like that to make it more attractive? Our stock went up to $4.5 share.

It's back down at $2 and change. So we like to see that stock go back up, because it should be a lot higher, even though you sold stock here at around the same price..

So I own common and preferred stock as well. So I share your sentiment and in the same situation. I would just say we're studying all of those options, and all those options are on the table. And I would just tell you to stay tuned. But your comments, thoughts and observations are not lost on the Board and it's top of mind..

We have no further questions at this time. I would like to turn the floor back over to management for closing comments..

Thank you very much for your interest in our company and really good questions today. And I'd just like to note that David, our CFO, COO, is always available to answer questions, as am I and Matt Molchan on the Healthcare side. Happy to take your call and discuss any questions you have.

So feel free to reach out to us if you have questions and want to do a call. And we're going to continue to meet with investors and share our story in the coming weeks and months. We're scheduled to present at the Sidoti conference next week, on May 20th, for example.

And I just want to say we appreciate all of our shareholders and thanks for your feedback and your support. Have a great day..

Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation, and have a wonderful day..