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EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT
EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT 2022 - Q1
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Operator

Good day and welcome to Oportun Financial First Quarter 2022 Earnings Conference Call. Please note this event is being recorded. I'd now like to turn the conference over to Dorian Hare, SVP of Investor Relations. Please go ahead..

Dorian Hare Senior Vice President of Investor Relations

Thanks and hello everyone. Some of you are aware that I started in this role a few weeks ago and I am very excited to be joining you today for my first earnings call while leading Oportun's investor relations effort.

With me to discuss Oportun's first quarter 2022 results are Raul Vazquez, Chief Executive Officer and Jonathan Coblentz, Chief Financial Officer and Chief Administrative Officer.

I'll remind everyone on the call or webcast that some of the remarks made today will include forward-looking statements related to our business, future results of operations and financial position, planned products and services, business strategy and plans and objectives of management for our future operations.

Actual results may differ materially from those contemplated or implied by these forward-looking statements and we caution you not to place undue reliance on these forward-looking statements.

A more detailed discussion of the risk factors that could cause these results to differ materially are set forth in our earnings press release and in our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission under the caption, Risk Factors, including our upcoming Form 10-Q filing for the quarter ended March 31, 2022.

Any forward-looking statements that we make on this call are based on assumptions as of today and we undertake no obligation to update these statements as a result of new information or future events other than as required by law.

Also on today's call, we will present both GAAP and non-GAAP financial measures which we believe can be useful measures for the period-to-period comparisons of our core business and which will provide useful information to investors regarding our financial condition and results of operation.

A full list of definitions and reconciliations can be found in our earnings materials, available at the investor relations section on our website. Non-GAAP financial measures are presented in addition to and not as a substitute for financial measures calculated in accordance with GAAP.

A reconciliation of non-GAAP to GAAP measures is included in our earnings press release, our first quarter 2022 financial supplement and the appendix section of the first quarter 2022 earnings presentation, all of which are available at the investor relations section of our website at investor.oportun.com.

In addition, this call is being webcast and an archive version will be available after the call, along with a script of our prepared remarks. With that, I will now turn the call over to Raul..

Raul Vazquez President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Thanks, Dorian. Jonathan and I are glad to have you here and I know you are keen to get to know our investment community. Good afternoon, everyone and thank you for joining us. I'm incredibly proud of our record results for the first quarter which reflected the power of our product offerings and exceeded all of our expectations.

As you know, we have very ambitious goals for 2022, so we are pleased that the year is off to a great start. Let me start by sharing the headlines. We achieved record first quarter originations of $800 million, up 139% from the first quarter of 2021. Originations continued to be driven by our expansion into new states where we are taking share.

New borrowers represented over 51% of our total loans, up from 40% a year ago. We delivered record revenue of $215 million and adjusted net income of $53 million, for adjusted EPS of $1.58 and adjusted ROE of 34%.

We are continuing to deliver strong credit performance, as evidenced by our annualized net charge-off rate of 8.6% which was on par with the prior-year quarter and was 17 basis points better than the midpoint of our expectation. Given the favorable trends in our business, we are raising our full year 2022 guidance.

Now, let me tell you about our progress on our three strategic priorities for the year that support our outlook for strong, profitable and sustainable growth. Our first priority is to grow our members.

We ended the first quarter with 1.7 million members up from 1.5 million at the start of the year, a 48% annualized growth rate for the quarter, so we are very pleased with the pace of member growth. Our second strategic priority is to increase multi-product relationships with our members.

As a proof-point of our ability to do so, in the first quarter products grew at an annualized rate of 58%, faster than our member growth of 48%. Additionally, at the end of the first quarter, 12% of our members with an Oportun credit card also had a personal loan with Oportun which is up from 7% at the start of the year.

We also began developing multi-product relationships across our credit and digital banking products during the first quarter and are enthusiastic about expanding this aspect of our business as a growth lever. Our third strategic priority is enhancing our platform capabilities to meet the everyday financial needs of hardworking people.

In our last earnings call, we talked about creating a seamless, integrated acquisition funnel across all our products to increase member conversion and decrease cost of member acquisition.

In Q1, we made important progress toward that vision as we began offering Digit products to our applicants whom we were not yet able to approve for a loan, as well as to current and previous loan customers. I'm also happy to announce that the Digit integration into our credit card funnel went live a couple of weeks ago.

While there is more work required this year to create a fully-integrated funnel, we are beginning to gather valuable learnings from members we have started serving with multiple products. Now, let me share with you more detail regarding our progress across our different products.

The growth of our unsecured personal loan product continues to benefit from our expansion across the nation. As of the end of the first quarter, our personal loans were available in 39 states and we plan further geographic expansion this year.

I want to emphasize how differentiated this geographic expansion is for us compared to other fin-techs that have already had nationwide operations. By introducing our superior customer value proposition in new geographies, we are taking share from other lenders who have never had to compete with Oportun.

In addition, having access to new members allows us to grow selectively, without having to expand the credit box. We are seeing strong growth in states such as Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Michigan, Virginia and Ohio.

Overall, we have added more than 22 million potential members in the 27 states we have entered with MetaBank through the end of the first quarter. For our secured personal loan product, we ended the first quarter with $79 million in receivables, up 1,375% year-over-year and on track to meet our year-end target of $140 million.

In April, we also expanded our secured personal loan product to Arizona.

Our secured personal loan growth continues to benefit from the fact that it is offered through the same acquisition funnel along with our unsecured personal loans, providing a proof point for the low member acquisition cost opportunity that a single unified acquisition funnel for all Oportun products will offer in the future.

We also saw excellent progress this quarter from our credit card product. Receivables grew 996% year-over-year to $90 million, also on track to meet our year end goal of $150 million. We now have more than 153,000 members who have an Oportun branded credit card. We have also continued to make great progress with our Lending-as-a-Service product.

During the first quarter, we scaled our Lending-as-a-Service network to include 284 partner locations, up from 28 a year ago and we still expect to complete 2022 with over 500 partner locations.

Additionally, our partnership with Sezzle, a Buy Now, Pay later company and our first digital Lending-as-a-Service relationship, remains on track to launch in the second half of the year. We are in discussions with multiple potential partners to expand our Lending-as-a-Service channel, including both retail and fully digital businesses.

Finally, our Digit integration is progressing nicely. We are now offering Digit products at multiple points in the Oportun application and servicing experiences and we have enabled Oportun members to obtain our Digit products at a discount. All of these activities are being conducted while of course, honoring our members' privacy preferences.

Finally, I'd like to tell to you about how well Oportun is positioned to both meet the needs of our hardworking members and create shareholder value in the current macro environment.

Our members are benefiting from a strong job market and in our 16 years of lending, we have found that a robust employment environment is the leading driver of both origination levels and the health of our loan portfolio.

I've never been more confident about our ability to grow the company and create long-term shareholder value by providing inclusive, affordable financial services that empower our members to build a better future.

I'll now turn the call over to Jonathan who will walk you through a more in-depth discussion of our financial results and provide our outlook for the second quarter and full year.

Jonathan?.

Jonathan Coblentz Chief Financial Officer & Chief Administrative Officer

Aggregate originations of between US$3.45 billion and US$3.5 billion, total revenue between US$910 million and US$930 million; adjusted Net Income between US$83 million and US$87 million; and adjusted EPS between US$2.45 and US$2.56.

We are maintaining our forecast for $140 million of year end receivables for our secured personal loans and maintaining $150 million for credit cards.

We expect our second quarter annualized net charge-off rate to be 8.6% plus or minus 10 basis points and we are reaffirming our expectation for the full year net charge-off rate to be 8.8% plus or minus 15 basis points. In summary, I'm pleased that we delivered a terrific quarter and that our outlook for the remainder of 2022 remains strong.

And, I believe that the exceptional growth in members, originations and total revenue that we are seeing so far this year will set us up for a great 2023. With that, I will now turn it back over to Raul for some final comments before we open the line for questions..

Raul Vazquez President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Thanks, Jonathan. Before I open up the call for questions, I wanted to share with you that our 2021 corporate responsibility & sustainability report will be released soon. With that in mind I wanted to share with you some of the ways in which Oportun enables a better financial future for our members.

Oportun has extended more than $12 billion of credit to hardworking individuals, saving them over $2 billion in interest and fees. Likewise, our digital banking platform has helped members effortlessly save more than $7.2 billion through the application of its AI-driven algorithms.

Digit members have annually, on average, set aside over $3,000 as rainy day funds. We were pleased to share with you in our prepared remarks how Oportun is off to a strong start this year which combined with our ongoing ability to execute on our strategic initiatives has allowed us to raise our full year 2022 guidance.

With that, operator, let's open up the line for questions..

Operator

The first question today comes from John Hecht with Jefferies..

John Hecht

Congratulations on a great quarter, I appreciate the guidance and thanks for taking my questions. Just a better not a different growth opportunities here but one of them that's a little newer to us is the Lending-as-a-Service component of the business.

And I'm wondering, what are the characteristics of your partners in that category and how are the revenue arrangements?.

Raul Vazquez President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Yes, John, this is Raul. Thanks for the question. We're really pleased with the way that program is progressing. As you heard us announce, we've got 284 locations now, so about 10x it's been only that we had at the end of last quarter. The revenue arrangement is really one that is accretive to the business and that we're very happy with.

As we've disclosed before, we like the fact that we only concentrate the partner when a loan actually takes place and we don't have any of the costs related to trying to draw in the customer.

We don't have any of the labor associated when you think about partners like DolEx and Barri, who was the two partners that have driven that growth to 284 inpatient and we're excited about Sezzle later this year that will have a similar structure where we compensate them or helping to bring the number to us.

So we continue to be really pleased with how the program is progressing and we like the pipeline that we have in place..

John Hecht

Great. That's helpful. And then just thinking about you guys talked during the call about interest rates and modifying certain loans.

I'm wondering, number one which zones is across the board, we will be raising rates? Or is there some loans that you can from that you're less willing to? And then second, on the rates, are you seeing like behavioral change for like causation of loans or use of the loan proceeds, given the inflation outlook..

Raul Vazquez President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

So I'll go ahead and take those. So from a pricing perspective, we took a look at where in the portfolio do you think it made sense to go ahead and raise prices. And we always want to give it in a way that it's going to have a very small impact on the payment that is made by our borrower.

We've done this in the past at various moments in our history and we've always been trying to keep that payment at about the same rate that it is today. And we have found success in the past in terms of ensuring that we continue to get good outcomes and ensure that we don't get any kind of negative selection. So we're really happy with the pricing.

And again, it was done in a very precise manner because one of the things we want to continue to do, John, is we want to continue to show a superior value proposition and we want to keep taking share. Because when we look at the 139% year-over-year growth in originations, we feel like we're really taking share.

So we took that into account as well as keeping our pricing under 36% APR. So that's what we thought about the pricing piece. In terms of what's creating demand for our loans and if we see anything different. Not really.

What we've seen over our 16 years of lending is anytime that dollars get a little bit tight, it means that someone can need a little bit of credit when they've got a lot of work that needs medical attention and require that doesn't start or a planned purchase. So we're still seeing the same kinds of use cases driving demand for our loans..

John Hecht

Okay. And then my last question before I get back in the queue, your loans have -- it sounds like you did get big loan sales at the end of the first quarter. I mean you guys have been -- you've got a color of a portion of your originations for a long time.

Anything we should think about going forward in terms of your willingness to sell and the amount that you might sell at any time?.

Jonathan Coblentz Chief Financial Officer & Chief Administrative Officer

Yes, John, great question. Given that we sold about 9% of the loan portfolio at the end of the quarter and we were selling whole loans up until the beginning of March through a flow arrangement which has now expired. We've actually sold a large portion of the loans we originally targeted for this year.

So we're continuing to evaluate what's optimal between keeping loans on balance sheet and do the option to sell them either directly to counterparties or through the securitization markets..

John Hecht

Okay. Very helpful. Thanks for that..

Operator

The next question comes from Sanjay Sakhrani with KBW..

Sanjay Sakhrani

I guess my first question is on the guidance.

Obviously, revenue is coming in stronger than expected but the expenses are a little bit higher as well for the rest of the year as well as some of the impact, I assume, from mark-to-market but maybe Jonathan, can you walk us through the breakdown of each of those factors as we think about the rest of the year and then sort of what the variables might be on those specific lines, if things don't pan out as expected on revenues?.

Jonathan Coblentz Chief Financial Officer & Chief Administrative Officer

Sure. Look, first of all, we feel really good about our guidance and we've taken up originations and that is going to drive the increase in revenues that we forecast. As we increase our revenues, we would expect to have the opportunity to invest more in the business, both on the marketing side and on the technology side.

So when we think about a comp tour for the operating expenses, I think looking at our pre-pandemic timing is probably a good thing to take a look at. We'd expect each subsequent quarter. As demand increases, we're probably going to be spending more on sales and marketing.

And similarly, we're making investments in the business and that will need to increase other OpEx other than sales and marketing.

Is that helpful context?.

Sanjay Sakhrani

Yes.

And as we think about the mark-to-market just on a go-forward basis, maybe you can just give us some sense of dimensionality like does it go higher, lower? I mean, anything --any color there?.

Jonathan Coblentz Chief Financial Officer & Chief Administrative Officer

Sure. That's a great question. So first of all, we guided to the second quarter and that factors in our view of mark-to-market. The first quarter, as I mentioned in my remarks, benefited from a timing difference, given that interest rates went up a lot, it basically pulled a lot of net revenue through that change in fair value into that quarter.

But when you look at the year overall, we're actually increasing our overall adjusted -- we're increasing our overall adjusted net income and adjusted EPS guide. And so when you think about why the adjusted net income is, we're guiding lower for 2Q and what -- also what's implied for the remainder of the year.

Some of that is the timing of the mark-to-market as well as the timing of our expenses..

Sanjay Sakhrani

Got it. And then -- go ahead, Raul..

Raul Vazquez President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Yes, this is -- I just wanted to add 2 quick things. Number one, just emphasizing what Jonathan said, I mean, clearly, we are investing in the business, right? We've got the Digit expenses which we didn't at a year ago.

But as you know, when we started the year, we guided to profit levels that were better than prior year and as Jonathan just said, we've raised our guidance in profit. So we absolutely are being thoughtful and very disciplined on the expense side while continuing to build for long-term success for the business; so that would be number one.

Just the second point I wanted to add to Jonathan's response is, you've known us now for some time, that at moment such as now when interest rates are moving around, we can introduce a little bit of noise in the adjusted net income.

And in the past, one of the things that we've also done is we really try to point to adjusted EBITDA, because adjusted EBITDA does not have that variability that's driven by kind of macro events like what's happening right now. And adjusted EBITDA was $34 million compared to a negative $2 million in Q1 of last year.

So the growth that we're focused on delivering is flowing down through the P&L, even as we continue to invest in long-term success. So, just wanted to go ahead and point out the EBITDA numbers because I think that can be helpful at time..

Sanjay Sakhrani

No, I appreciate that. And maybe a question for you, Raul.

Obviously, intense growth for me on the part of investors on the low-end consumer, in your prepared remarks, you talked about how employment sort of the guiding light for you, I'm just curious because there's a lot of discussion about the Fed remember having an impact on employment, right? Like, of course, employment to get weaker.

And I'm just curious what you're looking at to inform yourself of the direction you want to go in terms of handling the growth? I understand you have a green light right now. But maybe you can just talk about some of the metrics you're looking at.

And just one question for Jonathan on the delinquency rate, right and I just wondered from mechanically thinking about this correct. If we think about the delinquency year-over-year, excluding the noise related to the loan sale, it's still higher year-over-year, as you're expecting the charge-off rate to be kind of stable on a go-forward basis.

And maybe you can just help us think through that dynamic as well.

I mean should we expect a rise in the charge-off rate or there some offsetting in dynamics?.

Raul Vazquez President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Sure. So I'll start. I think one of the benefits of opportunity for investors is not a company that's probably 2 years ago or even 3 years ago. We've been around for 16 years. So to your point, Sanjay, we mentioned this in our comments, a robust employment environment is the leading driver of both origination levels and the health of our loan portfolio.

So the things that we look at, we certainly look at the unemployment rate, we look at wages and in particular, if wages are moving even if there was a softening in the market over the next few months as a result of that action, the market is so strong right now that relative softening would still look like a good market relative to the history and the model that we have.

So we feel that our models are well -- after the 16 years of lending and we can make adjustments that the macroeconomic picture changes. But if we look at the results, even that have been shared delay, unemployment rate is still incredibly low.

Our particular customer continues to see year-over-year increases in wages and we still know that there are companies paying bonuses to employees either to stay or to start a new job. So today, we continue to be very, very confident both in terms of the quality of our loan portfolio and in terms of our ability to keep driving origination.

Jonathan, do you want to take the next part?.

Jonathan Coblentz Chief Financial Officer & Chief Administrative Officer

Sure. So Sanjay, with regard to the delinquency trend, we think it's going to be consistent with our guide for net charge-offs. So for 2Q, we guided to 8.6%, plus or minus 10 basis points which is right in the range that we delivered for the first quarter.

And then obviously, for the full year, we reaffirmed our 8.8% plus or minus 15 basis points guidance.

I think one of the things that's causing delinquencies to be -- even after that adjustment that you noted to be slightly above last year is that we believe that for many of our borrowers, the tax refunds they typically receive in Q1 came to them later.

And because of the earned income tax credit actually were a little smaller than they were typically. So that may be on the margin. One of the impact factors but overall, we feel very good about credit. And I think the guidance we're giving on losses is consistent with that..

Sanjay Sakhrani

Okay..

Raul Vazquez President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

And just a tiny bit more color because we're trying to be very intentional in giving you and our investors a sense of the business and why we're so excited about it right now. One new statistic that we started to disclose is the percent of loans that are going to new borrowers.

I just mentioned in our comments that new borrowers are 51% of loans, if you got to look at this quarter last year, it would have got 40%. So you know that new borrowers tend to have higher delinquencies, they've got slightly on losses.

And when you think about where do we compare this 4.1% here, I would go all the way back to 2019 and the rate then was 3.6% but with a much, much lower percentage new borrower.

So the guidance that we provide and how we think about the business at the beginning of the year, we want to get from kind of where we end 2021 to where we along end 2022 and if you look at our results relative to our guidance, we're exactly where we wanted to be at this point and we're really excited about the number of new borrowers we have because they turn into more valuable repeat borrowers.

But in the short term, it is going to create slightly higher delinquency and slightly higher losses, where losses continue to be in that 7% to 9% range that we've always targeted to optimize our growth and profitability..

Sanjay Sakhrani

Thank you..

Operator

The next question comes from David Scharf with JMP Securities..

David Scharf

I think Jonathan, I guess, pretty much asked about everything that was on my plate. But I guess, Jonathan, I did want to maybe just get a little more clarification to make sure I have kind of cadence collection for the rest of the year. I mean, it sounds like clearly, Q1 and Q2, there were some timing issues impacting the fair value mark.

But it looks like when you take the last 9 months of the year in aggregate. The guidance for those 9 months was -- looks to be coming half from a couple of months ago.

When I look at the prior full year guidance, what's the Q1 guidance versus the updated full year guidance versus the Q1 actual and it looks like we're kind of exiting the year at sort of a $0.40 per quarter run rate of earnings power.

I guess, once again, is there a certain level of OpEx that you would either consider above trend or it's just front-end loading given the volume push.

So once again, trying to get a better feel for beyond sort of the Q1, Q2 fair value timing issues kind of what's led to this change in maybe the remaining 3 quarters of the year?.

Jonathan Coblentz Chief Financial Officer & Chief Administrative Officer

David, it is mainly the timing difference. So let's -- so first of all, we've increased -- just to remind you, we increased our guidance for the full year on the bottom line. So overall, we still expect to deliver more adjusted net income, more adjusted EPS than we did a quarter ago when we lasted earnings.

So when you look at the top line growth, right, we've taken that up as well, both for originations and revenue. So that's all doing well.

We would expect that has typically been our practice that marketing -- sales and marketing was increasing subsequent quarter for demand but there would be some operating expense increases as we invest in the business but the rest is just the timing of the market. We basically just earned a lot of the money we got to earn this year earlier.

And so I think that's what the main driver.

Is that helpful clarity?.

David Scharf

Yes, it sounds like a lot of pull forward. And maybe I haven't gone through the kind of new Goldberg's of all the arrows and colors on the per value mark.

But maybe if you could just kind of help -- as it relates to kind of pulling forward, how much -- I guess, how much of the incremental pull forward is associated with the mark on the debt and the ABS instruments? And I asked, maybe it's kind of lead into a broader perhaps investor education management question that Oportun is the only fair value accounting.

The company we followed that marks the debt as well as the assets. And I'm wondering, if there's any consideration to perhaps conforming to just kind of marking the assets quarterly and how the Q1 earnings would have looked if that was just the case..

Jonathan Coblentz Chief Financial Officer & Chief Administrative Officer

Sure. Well, I think as we stated before, we believe the way we manage our accounting is the best fit for our business. So we're not planning any changes. I think the slide you're referring to is Slide 30 in the earnings deck.

And what that shows is we break out the mark-to-market on the lines versus the mark-to-market on the notes and $58 million of the mark-to-market that was beneficial was on the note. And that's because interest rates went up. And that took the prices down. So now, obviously, what interest rates do in the future that have an influence.

But assuming the Fed keeps doing what the forward curve is saying then we would anticipate that the prices of our bonds, it's by heading back up to par because eventually the nature and that will pull back some of that $58 million. So when we talk about the timing difference, that's why I refer to it as a timing difference..

Operator

The next question comes from Rick Shane with J.P. Morgan..

Rick Shane

Thanks, everybody, for taking questions this afternoon. First of all, I just want to make sure I understand the owned principal balance tab in the Excel file. Nominally, it looks like the principal payments went up significantly in the first quarter.

But I'm assuming that, that is a function of selling loans in bulk versus selling them on a low basis because you held them on balance sheet, that's the differential there..

Raul Vazquez President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

That's correct, Rick. The $228 million loan sale basically close to the last day of the quarter..

Rick Shane

Okay.

So actual repayment activity, the payment rate on the portfolio was generally speaking, consistent with what you would expect in first quarter, except for the comment you made earlier that perhaps a little bit of drag due to delay in tax refunds?.

Raul Vazquez President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

That's correct..

Rick Shane

Okay, great. And then, again, I know there have been a lot of questions on this but I just want to sort of go back and I know both Sanjay and David have discussed this. But the way we should start to think about operating expenses for Q1 is see that as a new level and then see activity-related growth from there at a more modest rate of growth.

I think that's a great way to describe it. That I'll take that. And then last question, Raul, you had mentioned pricing actions. And one thing I wonder is given your historic focus on being below the 36% APR number.

Do you -- how much latitude do you feel that you have in a rising rate environment? Can you reprice to reflect the changes that you're experiencing in the bond market? Or do you need to basically tighten credit at slightly higher rates in order to retain your risk-adjusted margin?.

Raul Vazquez President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Well, we're definitely still committed to the 36%. But we do know that there are still opportunities to take some more actions if we need to. We're not going to try to capture all of the increase, say, in our cost of debt because we need to do so would be shortsighted and wouldn't let us go ahead and take the kind of market share that's available.

If you look at our Q2 guidance for the quarter relative to last year in origination, we're guiding to 93% growth in originations, guiding a 56% growth in total revenue for the quarter.

And we think that to continue to stay shop in pricing can give us an opportunity to keep gathering members that we can create kind of long-term relationships with and be able to grow their value. So we will take more action is necessary but we're not going to try to capture the full increase that we see in the market right now.

We think that would be to short sighted for our business..

Rick Shane

Got it. Okay. That's it for me, guys. Thank you so much..

Operator

The next question comes from Hal Goetsch with Loop Capital..

Hal Goetsch

Nice quarter, guys. A couple of questions for you.

Can you touch a memo on the space you've kind of entered this quarter or really got moving and what states maybe you have left to enter leveraging these licenses with MetaBank? And then would you -- is it safe to say on the cross-selling capabilities right now, you're really just getting going with that -- with the Digit acquisition?.

Raul Vazquez President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Sure. On the news space, we didn't disclose the exact state of -- a handful of states. We're really concert now on growing on the 27 states that we entered through MetaBank partnership and we did get a little bit more color both regarding the increase in addressable market.

We sure that there are 22 million potential new members in these 27 states and then we lifted those 5 states where we're really, really pleased with the results. And those are just indicative. We're actually really, really pleased with where we have the entire MetaBank partnership is playing out. So that would be that part.

On the second part, in terms of cross-selling, we did share another update on the percentage of credit card lenders that have an unsecured personal loan.

That number was 7% at the state at the beginning of the year, it's now up to 12% and we're focused on also learning a lot more and really implementing cross-selling between our credit -- our credit members and our digital banking members but I would agree with you.

I think we're very much at the top of the first selling in these efforts but it's a promising opportunity to keep growing the value and the revenue of our business. And I am really pleased with how things are going so far..

Operator

This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Raul Vazquez, CEO, for any closing remarks..

Raul Vazquez President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

I simply want to thank everyone once again for joining us on today's call and we look forward to speaking with you again soon. Thank you very much..

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