Good morning and welcome to Northwest Pipe Company’s First Quarter 2020 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in a listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions] After today’s presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. [Operator Instructions] Please note, this event is being recorded.

I would now like to turn the conference call over to Mr. Scott Montross, President and CEO of Northwest Pipe Company. Mr. Montross, the floor is yours, sir..

Good morning and welcome to Northwest Pipe Company’s first quarter 2020 earnings conference call. My name is Scott Montross, and I am President and CEO of the company, and I am joined today by Aaron Wilkins, our Chief Financial Officer.

By now, all of you should have access to the earnings press release, which was issued yesterday, May 7, 2020, at approximately 4:00 PM Eastern Time. This call is being webcast and it is available for replay.

As we begin, I would like to remind everyone that the statements made on this call regarding our expectations for the future are forward-looking statements, and actual results could differ materially.

Please refer to our most recent Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2019, for a discussion of such risk factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from our expectations. We undertake no obligation to update any forward-looking statements. Thank you for joining our call today to discuss our first quarter 2020 results.

Before I begin, I’d like to officially welcome Aaron Wilkins, who has recently assumed the role of Chief Financial Officer in April. Aaron has been a valued member of our senior leadership team for several years, and we are confident that he will be successful in his new role as CFO.

I would also like to welcome Bill Yearsley, who’s elected to our Board of Directors as an Independent Director on March 26. Bill’s experience in civil engineering and industrial markets will provide key skills that will support our future growth plans in the water infrastructure market. And we are very pleased to have him on our Board.

I’ll start today with an operational update in regard to the COVID-19 pandemic, and we’ll then turn to review of our first quarter performance. Aaron will then walk you through our financials in greater detail.

First and foremost, our thoughts are with all of those that have been impacted by the coronavirus, which has had a major impact on society and the economy.

As the health and safety of all of our employees at Northwest Pipe Company is our number 1 priority, we have outlined various measures to help safeguard their well-being during this unprecedented time, including increasing the frequency of cleaning and sanitizing at our facilities, especially in high-use surface areas; promoting social distancing of employees, both at workstations and in break rooms, some of which has been accomplished by staggering employee schedules and providing opportunities to work from home; providing guidance on appropriate hand washing and other measures as outlined by the CDC; and offering additional hours of paid sick leave to encourage employees who are either sick or caring for those who are sick to stay home.

As of today, we have not experienced any major business disruptions related to the coronavirus at our plants in the U.S. that are producing critical water infrastructure products deemed essential under the guidance of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency.

However, we were required by the Mexican government to temporarily close our water infrastructure manufacturing facility in San Luis Rio Colorado, Mexico or SLRC for short, for the month of April, due to COVID-19. And as a result, we’re forced to send our SLRC employees home until we’re able to restart the facility.

To better put this into perspective the SLRC plant represents roughly 1/6th or 18% of our total steel pressure pipe capacity company-wide.

We are disappointed in the Mexican government stance on the essential nature of our business at SLRC plant, which includes steel pressure pipe needed for the construction of a major water infrastructure project being administered by the U.S. government agency.

Currently, we are working with multiple government agencies and political offices in order to facilitate restarting our facility. We look forward to reopening and bringing our valued employees back to work as safely and quickly as possible. Fortunately, we have more than enough capacity at our remaining plants in the U.S.

to absorb current and future orders for the SLRC facility in the meantime. The Mexican government recently extended the stay-at-home order through the end of May, but we have been allowed to bring several employees into the facility to ship product and receive raw materials.

While the duration and future impact of the COVID-19 pandemic remains somewhat unclear, we believe our business is very well positioned to withstand these challenging circumstances due to the essential nature of our operations to provide critical water transmission systems in the U.S.; our backlog, which remains high by historic standards; bidding activity for 2020 that’s projected to remain strong; our strong balance sheet and solid liquidity position; and the variable nature of our cost structure, which provides us with financial flexibility.

Importantly, a great deal of the restructuring and cost-reduction measures that we took during the very difficult period of 2015 through the first half of 2018 significantly improved our ability to deal with the current uncertain environment. On that note, I’ll now turn to overview of our first quarter performance.

We delivered solid first quarter results driven by strong demand conditions experienced over the last several quarters and continued strength in our backlog with our seventh consecutive quarter above $200 million.

As of March 31, 2020, our backlog, including confirmed orders for the Northwest Pipe legacy business was $224 million compared to a year-end record of $258 million at the end of the fourth quarter of 2019 and $242 million at the end of the first quarter of 2019.

The current $224 million was the second-highest first quarter ending backlog in the last 10 years, second only to the first quarter ending backlog of 2019. Net sales benefited from an $8 million contribution from our acquisition of Geneva Pipe and Precast assets in late January.

Improved legacy pricing and positive contributions from Geneva helped drive a 45.8% year-over-year increase in our gross profit dollars.

Before taking into account the purchase accounting adjustments associated with Geneva and the impact of the Saginaw fire, first quarter revenue and margins were in line with our projections provided on our previous earnings call.

As anticipated, weather-related issues and customer job delays negatively impacted our first quarter backlog, revenue and gross profit, which were further affected by COVID-19-related bidding in job delays in the second half of March.

I’d also like to point out that even though steel pressure pipe backlog declined sequentially as we projected, it remains very elevated by historic standards. In addition, our order book for the concrete pipe and precast business is at its highest level in the last several years as we head into the traditionally busy time of the year.

While we will no longer be providing guidance due to the high level of economic uncertainty in the market due to COVID-19, I’d like to take a moment to remind you all of our growth strategy, which remains unchanged. Our approach is 2-pronged.

First, we are focused on maximizing our core steel pressure pipe water transmission business; two, our continued focus on cost reductions and lean manufacturing as well as pursuing limited, but known, growth opportunities.

This ultimately led to our acquisition of the Ameron Water Transmission Group, in July of 2018, which was immediately accretive to our financial results. We currently have approximately 50% of the steel pressure pipe market, which is generally a $450 million to $600 million market with fairly limited expansion in acquisition opportunities.

As a result, there is a second part to our growth strategy, which is to grow in an adjacent water segment. We chose the precast concrete market, which we estimate is a $3.5 billion to $4 billion market in the U.S. with superior growth opportunities, strong margin characteristics and attractive cash flow profile.

This focus led us to our recent acquisition of Geneva Pipe and Precast on January 31 of 2020. The acquisition of Geneva significantly expands our addressable market and further diversifies our offering with the addition of innovative products that we expect will provide future organic growth opportunities.

Further, having a core competency in precast concrete opens the door for new opportunities for potential expansion and/or acquisitions in the near future. The Geneva business is more transactional with a much shorter cash cycle than our water transmission business, which enhances the overall cash flow profile.

The integration of Geneva, through our 100-day plan, has been progressing well. We have implemented cost reduction measures as well as lean manufacturing and enhanced inventory management practices to help maximize efficiencies as we move forward.

While it’s too early to speak of any quantifiable synergies, we are already seeing results from the implementation of Northwest Pipe cost reduction programs. I will now turn to look at current and upcoming water transmission projects. In the Texas market, the SWIFT program has funded over $8 billion in projects over the last 6 years.

SWIFT is expected to continue funding major regional programs like the continuation of the surface water supply program in the Houston metropolitan area to ensure sustainable long-term water supplies for Texas.

The ongoing multiyear, multiagency for Houston surface water program is expected to bid multiple segments in 2020 representing 32,000 tons of pipe for West and North Harris County regional water authorities. We anticipate both authorities having additional bids in 2021, representing 33,000 tons of pipe.

The next new reservoir to be built in Texas is Lake Ralph Hall for Upper Trinity Regional Water District. This is another major program currently in design that includes a new dam and pipeline to move water into the Dallas/Fort Worth region. The project represents 17,000 tons of pipe. Construction procurement is expected to begin in spring of 2021.

The Alliance regional water authority program in Central Texas is another multi agency regional water program. The program includes a large pipeline, pump stations and treatment facilities and represents 15,000 tons of pipe. Construction is expected to begin in 2021.

In the western market, California’s Prop 1 $7.5 billion bond for water infrastructure has created the much-needed funding for projects within the state. According to the California Natural Resources Agency, 95% of those funds have been appropriated for various projects as of the 2020-2021 fiscal year.

We expect requirements for these projects to stretch out over the next several years. Water reuse programs have generated new opportunities in the California market on which we expect to see bidding activity continue for the next year. Bidding activity relate to a large water reuse project has slowed, awaiting a court approval over labor costs.

If this is resolved before the end of Q2, we could see 3 sizable projects bidding representing 10,500 tons. MWD is heading up a regional reuse pilot project in conjunction with LA Sanitation District.

This reuse program would treat and recycle water from one of the largest reclamation facilities in Southern California and involves 60-plus miles of large diameter pipe. The current demonstration facility has been operating for 6 months in construction of the full-scale treatment conveyance facilities could begin as early as 2025.

The PCCP rehabilitation program will result in approximately 10,000 tons annually over the next 2 to 3 years. Currently, some of the owners undertaking rehabilitation programs have slowed their schedules. These are not cancellations of the projects, but simply work shifting to later this year.

The city of Phoenix has begun procurement and construction activities on their Zone 3D and 4A improvements program. This program safeguards the city’s water supply against curtailments in the Colorado River allocations. The projects identified represent just over 8,000 tons of new pipelines, pump stations and treatment facilities.

The site’s reservoir is a water storage project that has received funding from Prop 1. It will involve over 30 miles of 144-inch pipe. The project is forecast to begin in 2024-2025. Southern Nevada Water Authority has begun moving forward in earnest with an expansion of the southern part of their water delivery system.

This program, which has recently started preliminary design activity, will include approximately 25 miles of 78-inch steel pipe with construction tentatively scheduled for 2024. In North Dakota, progress has slowed on 140-mile 87,000-ton Red River Valley Water Supply Project.

2-mile demonstration project has been forecasted to bid in the third quarter of 2020. The bulk of the project is dependent upon our 2021 legislative session to commit to full funding plan. In Colorado, we are tracking a late 2020 final record of decision by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers for the Northern Integrated Supply Project.

If favorable, construction of up to 150 miles of pipeline is expected to start in 2023. The project is located 60 miles north of Denver in the Fort Collins area. In summary, I’d like to thank our over 900 employees for their ongoing commitment to health and safety at Northwest Pipe Company.

While COVID-19 and its effects on our industry and workforce may have slowed our bidding volume in the near-term, it has not been reduced. For 2020, we estimate a current market size of roughly 209,000 tons and a job count of 240 versus 242 in fiscal 2019.

As we move forward, we will be focused on the ongoing successful integration of Geneva Pipe and Precast and driving continuous improvements in our performance by focusing on margin over volume, and cost reductions and cost efficiencies at all levels of the company.

I will now turn the call over to Aaron, who will walk through our first quarter financial results in greater detail..

Thank you, Scott. I’m pleased to be here with everyone this morning. As many of you know, I’ve been with Northwest Pipe Company for over 6 years now, having previously served as the Vice President of Finance and Corporate Controller. I’m very excited to learn the different facets of the CFO role.

I would also like to thank Robin Gantt with whom I’ve worked very closely for over 12 years of my career. The company truly appreciates her contributions and her leadership over the years. Now let’s turn to our results.

Adjusted net income for the first quarter of 2020 was $3.2 million or $0.33 per diluted share compared to net income of $2.2 million or $0.22 per diluted share for the first quarter of 2019. Adjusted net income excludes unique items and is provided for comparability against the results from the year ago period.

The adjustments include $2.5 million in transactions costs associated with our acquisition of Geneva; $0.6 million in purchase accounting-related charges for those recently acquired assets; $0.4 in incremental production costs resulting from the Saginaw fire, partially offset by $0.9 million in the estimated tax impact of the aforementioned items.

There were not any comparable adjustments in the first quarter of 2019. Our first quarter sales increased 10.0% to $68.9 million compared to $62.6 million in the first quarter of 2019 due to an $8 million contribution from our acquisition of Geneva Pipe and Precast assets.

Legacy revenues declined slightly from the year ago quarter due to a 12% decrease in the tons produced, partially offset by 10% increase in selling price per ton.

Gross profit increased 45.8% to $9.6 million or 13.9% of sales compared to $6.6 million or 10.5% of sales in the first quarter of 2019, primarily due to improved legacy pricing and the positive margin contribution from Geneva.

Our first quarter 2020 gross profit included $0.5 million of acquisition-related adjustments and $0.4 million in incremental production costs related to the fire at our Saginaw facility in April 2019. Without the aforementioned costs unique to the first quarter of 2020, our gross margin, as a percent of sales, would have been 15.1%.

We believe we have now incurred essentially all of the incremental costs on the projects affected by the Saginaw fire. Between the property and business interruption elements of our claim, approximately $3 million of costs remain unrecovered.

Based on discussions with the insurance adjusters, we expect to achieve final settlement of this claim in the coming months. Selling, general and administrative expenses were $7.9 million in the first quarter of 2020 as compared to $4.2 million in the first quarter of 2019.

The increase was primarily due to $2.5 million in transaction costs related to our Geneva acquisition, coupled with higher incentive compensation expenses. We expect quarterly SG&A expenses to be between $5 million and $5.5 million for the balance of the year.

Our unusually high income tax rate of 45.6% in the first quarter of 2020 was primarily due to nondeductible expenses associated with the acquisition of Geneva, coupled with proportionally low pre-tax income.

This compares to equally unusual income tax rate of 8.1% in the first quarter of 2019, which was impacted by estimated changes in our valuation allowance. For the full year of 2020, we expect our income tax rate to be approximately 27%. Now turning to our balance sheet and cash flow.

In the first quarter, we financed the $49.4 million acquisition of Geneva through a combination of cash on hand and our revolving line of credit, and concurrently amended and extended our credit agreement with Wells Fargo.

Among other modifications, the amendment increased the aggregate loan amount from $60 million to $90 million included a term loan that we have since drawn down and extended the maturity date by 1 year to October 2024.

Total liquidity available at March 31 was approximately $70 million, with nearly $10 million in cash and $60 million available on our line of credit. Total debt at March 31 was $15.9 million. Our senior leverage ratio was negligible, and we expect to remain in compliance with our covenants for the remainder of the year.

Our vigilant approach to managing our current assets is well suited for this type of economic environment. Cash collections to this point of the pandemic have exceeded our expectations, and our percent current on open accounts receivable remains well above the goal we set for the company back in December.

Given these factors, we believe that we are well positioned to face the challenges presented by these uncertain times and currently do not anticipate seeking government sponsored loans under the CARES Act. We generated cash flows from operations of $15 million during the first quarter of 2020.

Depreciation and amortization were $3.4 million, which included the amortization of newly acquired intangible assets. In addition to $23 million of goodwill, the company’s preliminary purchase accounting for the Geneva transaction brought on $11.2 million in intangible assets.

The resulting rate of amortization is expected to be approximately $0.6 million per quarter for the balance of the year, up from the prior quarterly rate of about $50,000 per quarter. The increase in the rate of depreciation and the fair value step-up was not material.

Capital expenditures totaled $2.9 million for the quarter, which were primarily used for ongoing maintenance CapEx. We expect to remain conservative in our capital allocation philosophy in the current environment with a focus on cash preservation in the near-term.

For the full year of 2020, we have planned approximately $10 million to $12 million of total capital expenditures, which will be utilized for ongoing projects and necessary maintenance capital spending, while the first quarter has historically been a seasonally slower quarter, the hard work and dedication of our employees helped us deliver solid first quarter financial results.

We are very pleased to have completed the acquisition of Geneva, including all of the talented employees now integrating into our collective culture. We are confident our introduction into the precast concrete market will diversify our business and provide longer-term growth prospects.

Thank you again to all of our employees for your ongoing commitment to making Northwest Pipe company a safe place to work. Now, I’ll turn it over to the operator to begin the question-and-answer session..

Thank you, sir. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] At this time, we will just pause momentarily to assemble our roster. And the first question we have will come from Zane Karimi of D.A. Davidson. Please go ahead..

Hey, good morning, Scott and Aaron. Hope you and yours are staying healthy through this time..

Hey, Zane. How are you doing? Same to you..

Thank you, thank you. First off, 1Q it kind of sound like core business down a little with the Geneva acquisition, providing the growth for the quarter. So through the next couple of quarters, how are you thinking about growth in the legacy business? And given, Geneva is about $43 million I think it was 2019 res.

Is that something we should expect to be kind of replicated through 2020?.

Well, what I’ll say right now is things look okay. It’s you got a good solid backlog like we’ve had for the last several quarters. This is the second highest first quarter ending backlog that we’ve had in the last 10 years and the only one that was higher was the previous year.

So we believe that the business level, as it stands right now, looks relatively stable, as we’re moving forward. But the bidding is actually quite large with somewhere between 205,000 and 209,000 tonnes bidding this year. And the first quarter was relatively small.

So from the perspective of the way the structure of the business looks from backlog, from bidding, in how things are moving forward. Things look okay. Problem is being able to project what things are going to look like with the uncertainty around the coronavirus and the environment that it’s created.

So it’s really difficult to give an absolute picture of it. But all the structure is there for the business to continue to carry on quite well. It’s just if jobs don’t push, things don’t get delayed. We saw some delays in the first quarter.

Some of which were weather related delays that hurt the revenue and gross profit in the first quarter a little bit. But we also saw some jobs that were delaying related to the coronavirus, especially work that may be being done in and around New York City, things like that.

So there’s a myriad of factors here, but all of the structure is there for the business to remain really solid all the way through this year. It’s just how does the virus impact the total environment..

Thank you for that. And then, I guess, in the prior quarter, we were kind of talking about an environment conducive to that 20% or greater gross margin, developing through kind of this year. However, given the COVID slowdowns, we just kind of talked about potential, right, in the latter part of the year.

How should we be thinking about the current business pricing environment? And like, kind of how are you able to leverage the fixed cost aspect of business? And will these margin levels more likely be pushed out?.

Well, again, there is a lot of things that end up affecting what the margin levels are. Especially, when you look at what went on from the fourth quarter of 2019 to the first quarter of 2020. And so we end up with margin levels that are in the 15% range, which are pretty average margins.

But the weather delays that I talked about, creating a bunch of problems in the first quarter. One, the weather we had in Texas caused us to have to get off of some relatively large running jobs, because the installation couldn’t be done in the field.

So we were switching to some smaller jobs and switching into some other things that what it does is create less efficiency. And you get a little bit more overhead absorption issues when you start doing that, because you have less direct hours. Then we had some jobs, because of weather push-out, and that started early as we thought.

And that also affected the amount of direct labor and in the amount of changeovers being done. So we had a lot of that impact going on and then ended up with a 15% margin.

We think margin levels are relatively stable, as long as production levels continue to pick up in the near term, I think the margin levels look reasonable, with maybe a little bit of upward potential. The thing, again, that you can’t tell is how much more impact will the coronavirus have on this.

And the hardest thing is like I said before, things look pretty okay right now, but it’s just the things in front of us that we can’t predict that makes it a little bit more difficult to give any kind of clear picture and – which is why we’re reluctant to give any kind of forward projections now because none of us have been in this kind of situation before.

In fact, I don’t – nobody’s been a lot – nobody is live now that – or very few people are alive that are from the Spanish flu outbreak, but nobody has ever seen this before. So it’s a little bit difficult to predict. But again, like I said, the structure of the business looks solid..

Great. I appreciate it. Thank you for the color there..

And next, we have Gus Richard of Northland..

Yes. Thanks for taking my question.

In terms of the backlog, is there any Geneva backlog in that $224 million number?.

No. Geneva is a little bit of a different business as far as the way the orders work, Gus. It’s got significantly more velocity. It’s much more transactional. So they just really have an order book, and we don’t count that in our steel pressure pipe backlog because, as you know, the steel pressure pipe backlog is longer-term projects, a lot of them..

Got it. That makes sense.

And then in terms of the reclamation project in California, is that all pressure pipe? Or is it some precast concrete work as well?.

From the perspective of the ones that we’re looking at, pretty much all of it is precast – or excuse me – steel pressure pipe..

Okay. Okay. Is there an opportunity to get some of the precast work in that those reclamation projects? Or is it difficult to service from Utah, and I think you have some capability in California and Tracy..

Yeah. We have – the precast concrete market is a pretty localized market. General shipping radiuses are probably 150 miles on reinforced concrete pipe. So it really – it doesn’t shift that far. As far as the Tracy RCP product, that’s a pretty specialized RCP product. It’s a webcast product that’s really for deep, very corrosive soil applications.

So that would really fit any of those irrigation district projects. It’s really the steel pressure pipe that fits that..

Got it. And then last one for me. Obviously, I think California state budget, they’re projecting a $54 billion shortfall. You’ve got quite a bit of business in California. I’m sure other states and municipalities are under pressure.

Are you seeing – in talking to your customers, are you seeing any concern about the ability to finance what’s on the backlog and future projects?.

We’re really not seeing any of that at this point related to this COVID-19 virus. The interesting piece when you look at this, and look at the – calling this a recession, and what this looks like, this versus the previous recession in 2008, this would hit much faster.

And when you – when the stimulus spending happened at the end of 2008 that was really an infrastructure driven stimulus spend, okay. And this one so far has really been a stimulus so that the taxpayers can carry on with their daily lives as much as possible.

The thing about the steel pressure pipe business in large CapEx projects like this is that it’s a little bit different where a lot of these projects, like you’re talking about right now, have momentum behind it. And they’ve been planned out for 2 or 3 years, so there’s probably – and some of them even longer.

There’s probably 2 or 3 years of momentum behind this market versus seeing CapEx projects. And the difference between the CapEx and the OpEx is, normally, the OpEx has to keep functioning simply to keep the network operating. And CapEx generally falls off.

We think in this case, that the CapEx, which is the stuff that’s going to fall off, will likely be more treatment plant pump stations and things like that will be affected. The network in the delivery and transmission network, which is the pipe and pipe systems, we think it’s going to be less effective.

And a lot of that’s due to the failures that we’re seeing in the system. And what’s happening is the pipe network which is generally CapEx, is almost becoming more like operating CapEx, because of all of the failures. So there’s a couple of years of momentum behind the CapEx spending in the pipe jobs that are coming through.

And then obviously, you know about the bill that’s – the Senate Environmental and Public Works Committee is bringing to the floor for another stimulus package that is related to infrastructure spending, which I think would cause that momentum to keep carrying through into the future, past that 2 or 3 momentum period that we normally see..

Got it. Okay, thanks. Thank you. That’s all for me..

[Operator Instructions] Next we have David Wright with Henry Investment Trust. Please go ahead..

Hey, Scott, good morning..

Hey David..

Hey David..

Hi, Aaron. Welcome. Congratulations..

Thanks..

Just a couple of environment questions.

The projects that you’re currently delivering on and that are being installed, I presume they’re all considered essential?.

Yes..

Yeah, and so.

It’s just when you talk about some delays away from weather-related delays, if the project is essential, then really the only variable is whether enough people are showing up to do the work, right?.

Well, yeah, you can have a little bit of that. You may have a little bit of slowdown in permitting that’s required because of – maybe there’s other people at those offices that aren’t working in the office and they’re working from home. So you can see a little bit of slowdown from that.

We’ve seen a little bit of delay like from quarter-to-quarter at this point, but we have seen no cancellations in orders..

Yeah, so I know that your customer is basically the GC.

But when you’re talking about these projects that you’re bidding on or that you’re going to be bidding on or that you have recently bid on, when you look at them on a look through, what sort of sense do you have on their funding sources? I’m asking the question in relation to the stress on state and local budgets.

I presume some of these projects are sold through water district bonds that are authorized by voters maybe or maybe some of the other projects you mentioned have to be authorized by the legislature.

What kind of visibility do you have on the ultimate funding of the range of things you’re involved in?.

So the ones that are projects that are – we’re currently producing or that our order is in backlog or that are scheduled to be bidding, really, for the next year and are advertised to bid, are all funded projects. So – and like I said before, that has got some momentum behind it, usually for a couple of years. At least, those projects carry through.

As far as the future projects that we talked about in the script, a lot of these projects are based on housing starts and population growth and interest rates and those kind of things. But in which you would expect the housing starts to slow down a little bit. And, obviously, we all know what’s going on with the interest rates.

But I think the one thing that we’re seeing and is a constant is the failures of the network, the water transmission delivery network across the United States and the American Society of Civil Engineers is coming out in a couple of – I think there is a couple of [bluefield] [ph] statements saying that this thing is failing.

So these projects, I believe, instead of being straight CapEx projects versus other OpEx that’s required to just keep the system moving, are starting to become like operating CapEx.

You’re going to have to spend those larger dollars to keep the systems operating or systems are going to continue to fail and we can’t have the water systems across the infrastructure or grid failing in the country. So they’re going to have to fund those projects..

And when you were responding to the first caller’s question, when you say the margin levels are stable that production levels pick up, were you saying they were stable at 15%, or that if production levels picked up that the 20% was more possible?.

So you get – we’re at the point, where we’re not going to give forward looking, David, because there’s too many environmental impacts right now.

What I would say is that the better the production levels, the better the overhead absorption, the better the impact on what the margins are, because the backlog is still in good shape from a margin perspective.

And although, what I would say is there is a little bit of panic out there from some of our competitors right now, I think, based on the environment and what’s going on in the environment. But with the amount of work that’s scheduled, the bid, we think that that should settle down and be okay.

So, ultimately, we still believe that there’s margin upward potential here..

Thanks for the commentary and good luck..

Thank you..

We’re showing no further questions at this time. We’ll go ahead and conclude our question-and-answer session. I would now like to turn the conference call over to Mr. Montross for any closing remarks.

Sir?.

Okay. Again, I’d like to thank you all again for joining the call today. Despite the unfortunate circumstances presented by the COVID-19 virus to society and the economy, our enthusiasm through the business going forward remains strong. We ended the first quarter with the 7th consecutive quarter, with a strong backlog of over $200 million.

And we see a very, very strong bidding calendar as we go through 2020. And we’re very excited to be a participant in the precast concrete market, made possible through the acquisition of Geneva, and the significant growth opportunities that this market presents. We look forward to speaking with you again on the second quarter call in August.

And in the meantime, be safe and stay healthy. Thank you..

And we thank you, sir, and to the management team for your time also today. Again, the conference call is now concluded. At this time, you may disconnect your lines. Thank you again, everyone. Take care and have a great day..