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EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT
EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT 2014 - Q2
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Executives

Stephen Berman - President, CEO, Secretary Joel Bennett - CFO, EVP.

Analysts

Scott Hamann - KeyBanc Capital Gerrick Johnson - BMO Capital Stephanie Wissink - Piper Jaffray Linda Bolton-Weiser - B. Riley Sean McGowan - Needham & Company Ed Woo - Ascendiant Capital Andrew Crum - Stifel.

Operator

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for joining the JAKKS Pacific Second Quarter 2014 Earnings Call with management. Today, JAKKS will review the results for the second quarter ended June 30, 2014, which the company released earlier today.

On the call today are Stephen Berman, President and Chief Executive Officer; and Joel Bennett, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Mr. Berman will first provide an overview of the quarter; then Mr. Bennett will provide the detailed comments regarding JAKKS Pacific's financial and operational results. Mr.

Berman will then conclude the prepared portion of the call with highlights of the product lines and current business trends prior to opening up the call for questions. Your line will be placed on mute for the first portion of the call.

(Operator Instructions) Before we begin, the company would like to point out that any comments made about JAKKS Pacific's future performance, events or circumstances, including the estimates of sales and earnings per share for 2014, as well as other forward-looking statements concerning 2014 and beyond are subject to Safe Harbor protection under federal security laws.

These statements reflect the company's best judgments based on current market trends and conditions today and are subject to certain risks and uncertainties, which could cause actual results to differ materially from those projected in forward-looking statements.

For details concerning these and other and such risks and uncertainties, you should consult JAKKS' most recent 10-K and 10-Q filings with the SEC, as well as the company's other reports subsequently filed with the SEC from time to time. With that, I will turn the call over to Mr. Berman..

Stephen Berman Co-Founder, Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, President & Secretary

Good morning, everyone and thank you for joining us today. We are pleased with our sales and earnings results for the second quarter of 2014 as we continue with the positive momentum generated from the first quarter of the year.

We have exceeded our sales forecast for the quarter and are upbeat about the outlook for 2014 increasing our previously announced sales and earnings forecast on a comparative basis for the full year.

Highlights of our second quarter sales include dolls, dress-up and role play in our Frozen line, Disney Princess dolls and dress-up, seasonal outdoor and water toys for Maui toys, foot-to-floor ride-ons and ball pits from Moose Mountain and Disguise Halloween costumes among others.

Our fall lines are proceeding this plan with excitement around our new Frozen offerings, Disney license dress-up and role play including princess, fairies and Sofia the First Disguise Halloween costumes and our preschool foot-to-floor ride-ons, and ball pits from Moose Mountain.

For boys, we are strongly looking forward to launch in the large scale figures such as Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and Star Wars Rebels, our new Hero Portal Plug It In & Play TV Games titles based on Power Rangers, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and DC Comics, Nintendo plush and figures and Max Tow Truck vehicles with our DreamPlay app technology.

In addition, the expansion of our miWorld physical play sets products with the DreamPlay digital enhancement and our first in-app purchase component which is just the beginning with many more to follow. And now I would like to turn the call over to Mr.

Joel Bennett to review our financial results for the second quarter of 2014 and then I will give a further update of our business this year and beyond.

Joel?.

Joel Bennett

Thank you, Stephen and good morning everyone. We are very pleased to report that net sales for the second quarter of 2014 increased 16.9% to $124.2 million up from net sales of $106.2 million reported in 2013.

The reported net loss for the second quarter was $9.1 million or $0.43 per diluted share which includes pretax restructuring charges of $1.2 million or $0.05 per diluted share higher than anticipated product testing and development cost of $2.1 million or $0.10 per diluted share due to higher sales in the quarter and to support new products being developed in response to increasing consumer demand for some of our licensed product lines.

And the dilutive impact of both increased interest expense on the recently completed convertible note issuance and the reduction to the share count for the 3.1 million shares repurchased of an aggregate of $0.03 per diluted share.

This compares to the 2013 reported net loss of $46.9 million or $2.14 per diluted share which included charges for license minimum guarantee shortfalls of $14.1 million and inventory impairment of $12.2 million. Net sales for the six months ending June 30, 2014 increased 12.1% to $206.7 million compared to $184.3 million in 2013.

The reported net loss for the six month period was $25.4 million or $1.17 per diluted share which included the restructuring charges higher than anticipated product development and testing charges and the impact of the stock buyback and convertible note issuance.

This compares to a net loss for the first six months of 2013 of $74.4 million or $3.40 per diluted share which included charges for license minimum guarantee shortfalls of $14.4 million and inventory impairment of $14.9 million.

Worldwide sales of products in our traditional toys and electronic segment which includes dolls, action figures vehicles, electronics plush and pet products were $49.5 million for the second quarter of 2014 compared to $48.6 million for the second quarter in 2013.

In sales for traditional toys were $85.2 million for the first six months of 2014 versus $87 million for the first six months of 2013. Sales this quarter in this segment were led by our Frozen and Disney Princess dolls, Funnoodle water toys and licensed foot-to-floor ride-ons and wagons.

Worldwide sales from our role-play novelty and seasonal toy segment which includes role-play products, novelty toys, Halloween costumes, indoor and outdoor kids’ furniture and outdoor activity and pool toys were $74.7 million in the second quarter of 2014 compared to $57.7 million in 2013.

And sales for role-play novelty and seasonal toys were $121.5 million for the first six months of 2014 versus $97.3 million for the first six months of 2013.

Disney Princess dress-up and role-play including Frozen and Sofia the First, Maui toys outdoor seasonal products and Disguise Halloween costumes dominated sales in the category this quarter driving the category to an overall increase this quarter.

Included in the category numbers are international sales of approximately $17.7 million for the second quarter of 2014 compared to $19.9 million in 2013. International sales for the first six months of 2014 and 2013 were $35.2 million and $36.6 million respectively.

Disney Princess dolls including Frozen, Slugterra and Nintendo products grow second quarter sales in the international market. Gross margin for the second quarter of 2014 and 2013 was 30.5% and 2.1% of net sales respectively.

And gross margin for the first quarter of 2014 was 29.7% of net sales compared to 13.9% of net sales in the first half of last year.

The increase as a percentage of net sales in 2014 is primarily due to license minimum guarantee shortfalls and inventory impairment charges incurred in the second quarter of 2013 offset in part to higher competitively priced Disguise sales in 2014.

SG&A expenses in the second quarter of 2014 were $42.6 million or 34.4% of net sales as compared to $46.5 million or 43.8% of net sales in 2013. SG&A for the first half of 2014 was $81.1 million or 39.2% of sales compared to $93.7 million or 50.9% of net sales.

The decrease in SG&A and dollars and as a percentage of net sales is the result of the benefits achieved as part of the restructuring and cost saving initiatives that commenced in the second half of 2013 that will offset in the second quarter of 2014 in part by shifted media buys due to Easter falling later in the year higher testing due to higher Disguise sales in the quarter, higher product development cost associated with many new products like Frozen and the restructuring charges taken.

Consistent with the seasonality of our business operations used cash of $21.6 million for the second quarter of 2014 compared to using cash of $34.9 million in 2013. As of June 30, 2014, the company's working capital was $198.5 million including cash and equivalents and marketable securities of approximately $162.9 million.

Depreciation and amortization was approximately $4.5 million in the second quarter of 2014 compared to $5 million in 2013. As for our tax rate, the effective tax rate for 2014 is expected to be approximately 22.6% before any FIN48 or other adjustments which could change if there is a shift in sales and therefore taxable income between the U.S.

and Hong Kong entities. Capital expenditures were $5.7 million for the second quarter of 2014 compared to $3.9 million for the second quarter of 2013. For the full year, we expect capital expenditures to be in the range of $12 million to $13 million.

Accounts receivable as of June 30, 2014 were $109.3 million up from the $94.9 million at the end of the second quarter of 2013 due to higher sales in 2014 resulting in DSOs of 79 days a slight decrease of 1 day from the 80 days in 2013.

Inventory as of June 30, 2014 was $66.2 million up from $56.7 million in Q2 2013 due to higher sales and continuing high demand for our products resulting in higher DSIs of 86 days in 2014 up from 69 days in 2013 as we head into our peak selling season.

Based on first half results and the increased demand for our products, we have increased our 2014 guidance and now expect net sales for the full year of 2014 to be in the range of $660 million to $670 million an increase from the previously announced guidance of net sales in the range of $633 million to $640 million giving effect to the full year impact of the net dilution of $0.15 per share relating to the recent convertible note issuance and stock buyback, previous earnings guidance would have been in the range of $0.15 to $0.25 per diluted share and now with the dilution from the convert and stock buyback earnings guidance is in the range of $0.20 to $0.30 per diluted share.

The company's previous reported earnings guidance was in the range of $0.30 to $0.40 per diluted share and excluding the impact of the convertible note issuance stock buyback and restructuring charges revised guidance for earnings per share would have been in the range of $0.40 to $0.45 per diluted share.

And EBITDA is now expected to be in the range of $42 million to $44 million an increase from the previous EBITDA guidance in the range of $41 million to $43 million. Lastly, we completed the issuance at par of [$115] (ph) million principal amount of 4.875% convertible senior notes due in 2020.

The notes which mature on June 1, 2020 are initially convertible at $9.64 per share.

The company received net proceeds of approximately $110 million from the offering of which $24 million was used to repurchase 3.1 million shares of the company's common stock under a prepaid forward purchase contract and $39 million will be used to retire at par, the company's 2014 convertible noted maturing on November 1, 2014.

The remainder of the net proceeds will be used for working capital and general corporate purposes.

This opportunistic offering serve to derisk and otherwise strength the balance sheet by refinancing the upcoming note maturity and provide additional liquidity which with cash on hand and availability under our GE credit facility will enable the company to continue to execute on its strategies.

And with that, I will return the call back to Stephen Berman..

Stephen Berman Co-Founder, Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, President & Secretary

Thank you, Joel. We are extremely pleased with our performance in the second quarter of 2014 despite the continued challenge in retail environment.

Let's begin with the highlights in our Disney Girls division this quarter, which includes Disney dolls, dress-up and role-play categories including Frozen, Disney Princess, Sofia the First and Disney Fairies. The Frozen crates continues and our product sale-through is quickly as to hit store shelves.

We have aggressively across the board ramped up production and demand still exceeds supply. We expect our fall Frozen lineup to continue to drive significant sales through the remainder of the year and includes the magical light-up dresses and our feature doll Snow Glow Elsa both of which play the award winning song from the movie Let it Go.

Snow Glow Elsa will be bilingual in the U.S., U.K. and Canada with international versions in 25 different languages to maximize its global potential. We have also added new products that play on the popularity of the breakout character Olaf including a Sno-Cone Machine and Tea Set just to name a few.

During a recent earnings call, Disney identified Frozen as one of the company's top five franchises from music videos, live single long stage shows to Frozen on Ice shows and to interstitial on the Disney channel.

We are excited and pleased of all the promotional support from Disney for the franchise making Frozen one of our evergreen licenses in our Disney portfolio for this year and many years to come.

As consumers flocked to buy Frozen products, we continue to focus on Disney's core Princess with promotional plans for fall to drive our Princess Royal Kingdom Kitchen and our Princess Toddler Dolls with royal reflection ice.

The latest ratings indicates Sofia the First is still holding the number one cable program slot with girls 2 to 5 years seen by almost 54 million viewers in the U.S., we have a strong push plan for fall with more retail promotion support than ever before for Sofia the First dolls, dress-up and role-play items.

The DVD release of the Pirate Fairy pushed its sell-through in our Disney Fairy line this spring and we have a treasure hunt promotion plan for this fall along with TV advertising to continue the momentum. Turning to our non-Disney Girl business, miWorld DreamPlay products continues to grow.

We expect to see significant growth as full distribution rolls out to all retailers including Target, Kmart, Justice Stores, Claire's, Myers, Amazon and many more. Justice is doing a special promotion this fall. And starting in August SKECHERS bag stuffers and inserts will be packed into Twinkle Toes, shoe boxes as well.

We are gearing up for a promising third quarter with our SKECHERS Twinkle Toes Cabbage Patch Kids that will hit shelves at all retailers this fall. SKECHERS is helping promote the line with bag stuffers and box inserts in all kids purchases at SKECHER stores. And the shoe box inserts at all the retailers that sell Twinkle Toes sneakers.

SKECHERS will also be tagging one of their fall Twinkle Toes TV commercials with a Cabbage Patch Twinkle Toes line.

We are also extremely excited to launch our JAKKS own annual babies line of collectible and cuddly plush baby animals which plays upon the huge popularity of baby animal videos on YouTube and is placed at all retailers this fall including Costco and QVC. For 2015, [design] (ph) has many additions including the enhancement of DreamPlay technology.

Now for highlights in our boys business in the second quarter, our Nintendo items had a solid performance at retail especially for our international business there has been a lot of buzz around Nintendo with the successful release of Mario Kart 8 video game.

And we are hoping this will help to drive sales at retail for the toy line through this fall and beyond, which will have expanded retail distribution this fall both in the U.S. and internationally. For a large scale figures, our 24 inch Godzilla figure was a big surprise this year and it was nearly sold out before the theatrical release in May.

Even more retailers will be onboard for the DVD release with incremental unit sales in this fall. We also are expecting our Star Wars Rebels 18x20 inch figures and our 48.5 inch Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle figure to perform well as a result of strong entertainment recognition.

One of our strong evergreen lines Black & Decker continued its success at Target for a second straight year with placement on spring time and CAPs. We are looking forward to a December NCAP program at Wal-Mart to continue the brand into the holiday season.

In addition, we are pleased with the expanded distribution being achieved for this evergreen line. For fall, we are looking forward to the launch of our new line of Harry Potter Plug It In and Play consoles, which capitalizes on the huge interest in interactive figure play with video gaming at a great compelling price point.

There will be a big launch at almost all accounts, we have an exciting fourth quarter promotion at Wal-Mart for How To Train Your Dragon and we are also in the electronics department at Target just to name a few.

We have extremely strong boy licenses built with great game plan and figure play which is perfect for the low price point and targeted age range that has made plug it in play games successful. Leading the way is Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Power Rangers and DC Comics such as Batman and Superman.

Max Tow is on its way to being one of the top toys for boys this fall with support from all top four major retailers amongst others. This item will get an even bigger boost this fall with TV support and interactive in-store displays at select retail accounts. The corresponding DreamPlay app will launch on iOS and android devices on August 1.

This will allow people to play with the amazing physical toy and have a great digital experience as well. Conduit like Max Tow at Home and the digital part is Max Tow On The Go. Turning to preschool, our Moose Mountain division is having another banner year for ride-ons, solidifying our dominance and market share in North America in this category.

Sales of our new convertible ride-online have boosted sales and provided diversification at retail and our Fisher price ride-ons continue to post impressive growth in sales year-over-year. In our ball pit category, we continue to dominate retail with perennial programs at Toys R Us, Wal-Mart and Kmart.

In our Kids Furniture business, our activity tables continued strong sales this spring with the inclusion of new and fresh brands and styles. And our licensed kids’ chairs have really driven the overall kids’ only business in the second quarter.

Patio chairs, Fold N' Go and Adirondack chairs have become ubiquitous at mass value and (indiscernible) channels this spring. In seasonal, despite challenging weather, our Maui division did well with Wave Hoops and Sky Bouncers performing as the top sellers.

Sky Bouncers was the sweeper success in the first six months with a successful feature placement at Wal-Mart that we are continuing to chase sales. Our Funnoodle business also did very well in the second quarter. Sell in for our Disguise costumes in second quarter was solid.

We saw a slight increase in our Maleficent orders due to the success of the movie. And of course, Frozen orders continue to go through the roof with Elsa, Anna and Olaf costumes and accessories. With the success of Transformers, the movie anticipation of possible additional orders are expected to be forthcoming as well.

Now, I would like to turn to our international business. Highlights for the second quarter include Disney Princess toddler dolls and of course, Frozen dolls are hot almost everywhere around the world. All that we can ship in every market sells as soon as it hits the shelf.

So our numbers continue to increase as we chase additional capacity to fulfill the demand. We started shipping our Sofia the First large doll in Latin America in Spring (indiscernible) in advance to the North American launch this fall.

The sell through in Latin America has been very strong so far which makes us optimistic about the potential in the U.S. Overall, our Latin American business is up significantly year-over-year. For boys Slugterra continues to lead the way and is the number two boys’ action property in Spain.

Nintendo sales have been strong in the second quarter, our U.K. business continues to grow and our business and new Disney business in Mexico has grown sales in that market exponentially. We also started working with two new retailers in China including Wal-Mart with more to come by years end.

Lastly, our DreamPlay offerings are continuing on plan with updates to our miWorld mall app to include our new play sets and our new Max Tow truck app launching this fall in conjunction with the product hitting shelves.

Our newest items, Selfie Booth is the ultimate photo booth experience right in your own home and plays on the popular social media trend of uploading customized photos. The pop-up photo booth will feature a green screen and enacted shoes from customized backgrounds and digital stamps. Consumers can also upload and share their photos online.

We are looking forward to launching this Selfie Booth late in the fourth quarter. We have also updated our successful aerial music surprise line of DreamPlay experience with additional levels added. We appreciate everyone's time today for the prepared portion of the call. With that, we will open it up to Q&A.

We are optimistic about our future and we are looking forward to a profitable and successful JAKKS Pacific for shareholders and employees. Thank you for your time..

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. (Operator Instructions) Our first question comes from Scott Hamann from KeyBanc Capital. Please go ahead..

Scott Hamann - KeyBanc Capital

Hey, thanks. Good morning guys..

Stephen Berman Co-Founder, Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, President & Secretary

Good morning Scott..

Scott Hamann - KeyBanc Capital

In terms of the – some of the cannibalization you had talked about in the release and the Frozen was taken away from some of the other lines.

Can you kind of elaborate on that and if that's something that potentially as a concern in your planning with the other lines for the balance of the year?.

Stephen Berman Co-Founder, Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, President & Secretary

No. What it is – as we also want to be clearly transparent, so it's not just taking away from I would say just specific areas in our line which is moderate, but it's taken away business from other competitive doll brands in the market.

So for us it's just – it's taken away from certain parts of our business but not dramatic but it is such a big property and the focus that Disney has put behind it. There has to be some type of drop off in certain areas, but it's not just in our JAKKS business, it's actually affecting other global brands.

But it's part of what we expected, it's just doing it a little more because Frozen has become such a big brand around the world..

Scott Hamann - KeyBanc Capital

Okay. And then…..

Stephen Berman Co-Founder, Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, President & Secretary

Also Scott it's also offsetting when we look at the orders coming in for fall, we see it did affect the spring part but it's not affecting the fall part as much..

Scott Hamann - KeyBanc Capital

Okay. It makes sense.

And then just in terms of the guidance, the revenue lift was nice but EBITDA is only up about $1 million on like $28 million increase in sales, so I'm not sure exactly if you can kind of reconcile what some of the get backs, it just didn't look like the flow through would have been as strong as you would have thought?.

Joel Bennett

Yes. The EBITDA was inclusive of the restructuring charge, so if you were to – as you may have read in the release it's got a little convoluted in terms of trying to be clear and showing apples-to-apples. And in general it's just overall conservatism, we provided for a number of different things that we don't it will happen.

We are certainly very optimistic about going forward but it's just gives a little cushion in that. But anyway adjusted it would be $42 million to $44 million..

Scott Hamann - KeyBanc Capital

So the restructuring charges although over $1 million in the quarter is there anything else from the first quarter, are there anything in the third and fourth quarter that you are anticipating that would be in there?.

Joel Bennett

No. That was pretty much the last of it and it's primarily relates to our Hong Kong showroom that because toy fair in Hong Kong occurred in January wasn't included in the charge from last year. We tried to get everything done in 2013. But that was the last piece and we are not expecting any going forward..

Scott Hamann - KeyBanc Capital

Okay. Thank you..

Stephen Berman Co-Founder, Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, President & Secretary

Thank you, Scott..

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Gerrick Johnson from BMO Capital. Please go ahead..

Gerrick Johnson - BMO Capital

Hey, good morning..

Stephen Berman Co-Founder, Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, President & Secretary

Hi, Gerrick..

Gerrick Johnson - BMO Capital

Good morning.

Can you just talk about the restructuring charge specifically what that was for? And then in your guidance just to be totally clear what does it include and exclude in terms of restructuring and the other items that you talked about in your press release?.

Joel Bennett

Sure. Basically it was the buyout of a lease in Hong Kong basically by paying an amount we got out of the next two years of rent. So we have savings beginning in Q3 2014 – yes, 2014 to mid-2016.

What was the other part of your question?.

Gerrick Johnson - BMO Capital

Well, as it pertains to guidance, does that include….

Joel Bennett

Okay..

Gerrick Johnson - BMO Capital

Or exclude restructuring product testing all of those other things that you talked about in press release..

Joel Bennett

Yes. Everything is included in those numbers expect for the EBIT – the EBITDA included and then the EPS we were reflecting it both ways in terms of the financing and restructuring. The exact part was pretty clear; the only thing that we didn't specify was the EBITDA was after the reorg..

Gerrick Johnson - BMO Capital

Okay. And then taxes can you talk about taxes $1.3 million hit earnings but if you put at that 20% rate it look like it should have been a benefit that would have been like swing of $0.13, so if you could explain what's going on there so we understand….

Joel Bennett

Sure. The actual tax provision is based off of where we have taxable income and in which quarters. In the U.S., we are still not a tax payer, in the U.K., Canada and Hong Kong they have taxable income and the provision basically flows with their income. So it has more to do with that and the group results.

With the loss, you would either expect the benefit or no tax provisions. But it has to do with the territories that have tax – taxable income..

Gerrick Johnson - BMO Capital

Okay. So that makes it a little bit more difficult for us to model going forward. I had my tax that are basically at 20% rate or so.

So is that appropriate going forward or should I – or should we get some guidance as to what earnings are going to be and what your restrictions so we can better model that?.

Joel Bennett

I think we can give more color on what – because if you are transfer pricing there is a lot of moving pieces so it would be difficult for you to model. So it will probably give more information and give – actually what we will do is, we will give quarterly effective rate which will have everything blended.

Actually, I will come back to that later in the call maybe when Stephen is answering your question if not we can do it offline, I can get it to whoever has the question, but I will look at it during the call..

Gerrick Johnson - BMO Capital

Okay. I will let few other guys ask some questions, but I will be back..

Joel Bennett

Okay..

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Stephanie Wissink from Piper Jaffray. Please go ahead..

Stephanie Wissink - Piper Jaffray

Hi, good morning everyone. Thanks for taking our questions..

Joel Bennett

Thank you, Steph..

Stephanie Wissink - Piper Jaffray

Stephen if we could, I wanted to just rephrase Scott's earlier question, I think it's a good one on the cannibalization factor. Is that based on the way retailers are booking orders for back half, are you seeing something in the POS data that would classify the consumer….

Stephen Berman Co-Founder, Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, President & Secretary

It's more done -- first half is the POS data so this is an example and this is a simple one. If the child is going out to buy an Elsa dress, they may not go out and buy a Cinderella dress or whether it's a Barbie role-play Monster Hide dress-up.

So we have seen it in the spring, but then for the first half but the bookings for fall are extremely strong on our core Disney products. So while the craze was happening and still is happening with Frozen, it did hit certain parts of our growth area but not just our, it hit a lot part of retail growth area.

But our bookings for fall are right on track to what we expected. But there was some slip off of some cannibalization in certain areas of our core business called dress-up and some dolls..

Stephanie Wissink - Piper Jaffray

Okay. That's really helpful.

And then Joel, kind of on the incremental R&D spend, was that spend planned in your original before your guidance and it was pulled forward into the quarter is that additive spend that we should think about for the full year and what category the product lines will be benefiting from that incremental testing and development spend?.

Joel Bennett

Yes.

It was additive because originally we didn't expect Frozen to actually expand but with the prominence of all up and some of these others, we got I think – those analysts that came out and certainly the trade saw the huge expansion to the Frozen line which otherwise would have been just selling out what we had originally sold in at the end of last year.

So it's additive and the other thing it's going to be something that's going to benefit into 2015 because with sales for a lot of those items aren't occurring until third and fourth quarter..

Stephen Berman Co-Founder, Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, President & Secretary

Steph, let me – to addition that we – while Frozen has expanded – we expanded into the correct areas, so I think – we mentioned it in the press release, you would remember Snoopy Sno-Cone Maker that was done years ago.

We came out with the Olaf Sno-Cone Maker that will be a perennial and it was a new category, we came up with a whole line of switch him Olaf's, almost like a Mr. Potato had. But for today's children they understand a lot.

So we expanded our rights with Disney and at the same time we had to do quick R&D to get these going for fall and spring 2014 and spring 2015..

Stephanie Wissink - Piper Jaffray

That's really helpful. Thanks.

And then Joel, if I could stir one more out there in the international sales, you went through the numbers really quickly but did I hear that the sales are actually down in the quarter and how should we think about the acceleration and the trajectory as you get back into stock as some of the Frozen items going into the back half..

Joel Bennett

Yes. International was down about $2 million year-over-year, last year we had Smurfs but with Frozen and some of the other licenses in our proprietary product like Max Tow that will be accelerating in the back half and then into 2016 and as Stephen mentioned all the other initiatives in his portion of the call.

But, I think one of the big takeaways in the U.S. market where we have seen some challenges in the past and some of our peers more currently, it's been a big increase for us..

Stephanie Wissink - Piper Jaffray

Okay. Thanks guys. Best of luck..

Stephen Berman Co-Founder, Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, President & Secretary

Thank you..

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Linda Bolton-Weiser from B. Riley. Please go ahead..

Linda Bolton-Weiser - B. Riley

Hi. I was just wondering if you could explain a little bit more about the special product development cost that were in the quarter and was they related to kind of like development of DreamPlay technology or what exactly.

And I guess I'm wondering in the future if you have strong sales growth as you did this quarter, are we to expect that there would be sort of the special cost that come up each quarter. So I'm just kind of wondering, how we should think about the earnings power even with strong sales growth because it's not really coming through to the bottom line.

So if you could explain what those costs were and the likelihood that the type of thing might reoccur? Thank you..

Joel Bennett

Well, for starters again with Frozen, we reacted very quickly and that's one of our competitive advantages and it reflects the broad expansion of the rights in Frozen in particular. As I just mentioned before, the sales for a lot those items will occur in the third and fourth quarter as a launch. But all of the R&D costs are pre-loaded.

So in terms of the current period that we are scrambling essentially to get the goods developed we will have actually expanded profitability in 2015 since the – essentially the start-up cost for those initial items are already in the P&L from the prior year.

So it's not a headwind per se in terms of fundamental change in the business, it's just how we're reacting to a huge opportunity..

Linda Bolton-Weiser - B. Riley

Okay. Great.

And then I kind of missed what you said the operating cash flow was for the six months of the quarter, could you repeat that number?.

Joel Bennett

Yes. And used cash of $21.6 million versus $34.9 million last year and going back to the tax rate, the effective rate for Q3 is expected to be around 3% and about 15% in Q4..

Linda Bolton-Weiser - B. Riley

Joel, could you also just to make everything really clear, could you also give us a little bit of direction on the interest expense and diluted share count for the third quarter and full year?.

Joel Bennett

Sure. Diluted share count for Q3 and that would only be for the third quarter not for the year-to-date September 30th is about 45 million shares, 18.9 million shares for Q4 and 20.2 million for the full year. Interest Q3 $3.8 million, Q4 $3.3 million. And the big difference there is that pay off of the November maturities on November 1st..

Linda Bolton-Weiser - B. Riley

Great. Thanks.

And can you just clarify also, I mean did you actually meet your credit facility covenant requirements in the quarter and if so what was the EBITDA that you earned in the quarter and did the covenant facility allow the restructuring charge or, or could you exclude that from that?.

Joel Bennett

It's all in. We did meet it. There is certain other add backs like foreign exchange, other non-cash charges like stock-based comp. The EBITDA covenant is only for Q2 and Q3, I'm sorry Q1 and Q2 beginning Q3, it reverts to a leverage ratio..

Linda Bolton-Weiser - B. Riley

Okay. Great. Thanks a lot..

Joel Bennett

Thank you..

Stephen Berman Co-Founder, Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, President & Secretary

Thank you..

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Sean McGowan from Needham & Company. Please go ahead..

Sean McGowan - Needham & Company

Good morning. Hi, guys. I have a couple of questions and some of them are follow-ups.

So on the product testing – with product testing cost is that a period cost or does that get put into inventory?.

Joel Bennett

We do defer it on the Disguise because a lot of the testing is front loaded. So with increase in Disguise sales in the quarter we had a lot more testing cost. But, generally it's pay as you go because you have a normal flow of products.

But with Disguise and the time that it takes to build up the inventory because they are such a seasonal business, it's essentially deferred and matched to those sales..

Sean McGowan - Needham & Company

That's sounds like you are saying two different things though, if it's deferred and matched to the sales then it wouldn't be up front..

Joel Bennett

No, on that line. No, we paid for it up front..

Sean McGowan - Needham & Company

So but it….

Joel Bennett

The increase this quarter is due to the higher sales of Disguise, so it was….

Sean McGowan - Needham & Company

Okay..

Joel Bennett

In that sense it was a shift in product mix..

Sean McGowan - Needham & Company

Okay.

But for other – so much of this testing and product development cost, how much of that was testing and how much of it was other development cost?.

Joel Bennett

It was about a million..

Sean McGowan - Needham & Company

Was it primarily other development costs?.

Joel Bennett

No, it's not a million a piece..

Sean McGowan - Needham & Company

Okay.

And so those expenses have been taken so back to earlier questions should we expect not to see that magnitude of higher than expected expenses in the subsequent periods or where we see that?.

Joel Bennett

Correct.

Because we have already developed the Frozen, so on R&D side we have already expense the development on what we are going to ship and on the testing it's essentially a shift, part of the shift from – well, two things one is based on the increase SKUs that we have developed, we will have more testing and there will be less testing associated with the earlier ship of certain Disguise orders.

That make sense?.

Sean McGowan - Needham & Company

Well, I was asking A or B and you said correct. So it sounds like what you are saying is we won't see these unusually high expenses in the future….

Joel Bennett

Correct..

Sean McGowan - Needham & Company

Is that the right way to read it?.

Joel Bennett

Yes, correct. I was just trying to describe we have things moving in both directions..

Sean McGowan - Needham & Company

Okay..

Joel Bennett

It's part of the business..

Sean McGowan - Needham & Company

Another question is also follow-up, so international, I would be surprised that you would have head like Frozen and still have a decline in revenue, is it just their comparison on Smurfs?.

Joel Bennett

Actually it's the time to roll it out. I mean we are still responding to the popularity. So we have I think 25 or 26 different languages that will be doing the doll in. I think that the U.S. markets tend to get the goods first..

Sean McGowan - Needham & Company

When did the movie open in the markets that you have the rights in?.

Stephen Berman Co-Founder, Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, President & Secretary

I'm sorry, Sean..

Sean McGowan - Needham & Company

When did the movie open in the markets that you are selling in?.

Stephen Berman Co-Founder, Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, President & Secretary

It opened during last year October last year throughout the latter part of 2013..

Sean McGowan - Needham & Company

Okay. All right. So you are still chasing the demand….

Stephen Berman Co-Founder, Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, President & Secretary

And also Smurfs open last year and Smurfs is a really European property it's called Schtroumpfs from Belgium and it had a very successful second quarter and there was no movie content from it. So that was really the drop off of international in the second quarter..

Sean McGowan - Needham & Company

Okay. And earlier in the call Joel, I think you said that the restructuring charge would have been something you would have liked to have taken in last year.

But because Hong Kong Toy Fair happened this year you couldn't, why would that charge not have been taken in the first quarter then?.

Joel Bennett

As we are very still in property, they can't take the charge until you are actually out of….

Sean McGowan - Needham & Company

Okay. That makes sense. And I think that's it. I will leave it at that. Thank you..

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Ed Woo from Ascendiant Capital. Please go ahead..

Ed Woo - Ascendiant Capital

Yes.

I had a question about some of your POS, your sell-in versus your sell-through, it looks like Frozen was very strong but what about for – all your other products?.

Stephen Berman Co-Founder, Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, President & Secretary

We take kind of by category. On our foot-to-floor area of business which is Moose Mountain and are called spring business of Kids Only. We have had exceptional sell-through. Halloween we have had exceptional sell-in but it's not the time for the sell-throughs to occur for the Halloween component of our business.

Going through the Nintendo, going through miWorld, all the areas that we have been shipping continuously, the sell-throughs are continuing, it's not just based off of just Frozen Godzilla, I think I have mentioned earlier in the call, we sold out even prior to the movie launch miWorld forecast and orders are increasing more than expected.

Good example are large figure of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle, it increased dramatically in the sets of the forecast, our Hero Portals are shipping right now which is three property.

So we are getting really great sell-through, a bear sell-through what we had last year, at the same time, the order flows and our bookings are stronger than they were over the past couple of years.

So we are getting the sell-throughs that we need to continue the ordering that occurs throughout the year but we are well-ahead of our bookings and we expected even for third quarter and fourth. So without the sell-throughs we wouldn't be where we are at in bookings and that's why we are very confident with our increasing guidance.

And we are still taking a look to see of just the marketplace itself because even though if our sell-throughs are great.

And competitors items are not selling well that does affect the open to buys by retailers, but they still need items to drive consumers in and our mix of diversification in all the different segments we are in as really helped us to bode well going forward and we are not really relying on one segmentation to help our business..

Ed Woo - Ascendiant Capital

Great. And there has been a lot of asking on the call about the special charges that you guys had with product development cost. But, how do you qualify overall profitability for some of your brands.

I know last year internal brands you should be higher profits you don't pay like other brands such as your Disney property have much higher licensing cost, but other hand do get any leverage by having much higher sales and how should we really see, I guess kind of like looking at gross margin going forward.

Are we going to see improvement, is it going to be weaker, how should we look at that for the rest of the year?.

Joel Bennett

Yes. I mean a lot of the headwinds are really out of the business at this juncture based off of product mix it will have some variability but overall expanding. And as we have had new items where we are not tied to legacy pricing, we do take advantage of opportunities to expand margins.

We also look at some of the legacy items where we don't have pricing power necessarily. But, we look at ways to cost reduce that and with the restructuring now essentially a complete we expect to leverage on the infrastructure as we achieve upside.

Again, the guidance that we provided, it does – it is a conservative forecast since there are a lot of moving targets. But the underlying tone is that we are very optimistic about the business profitability on the items that we are selling. It was improving and as we continue to grow the businesses where we will experience the leverage..

Ed Woo - Ascendiant Capital

Have you provided any update to your gross margin outlook for this year and as it changed at all with other mix of products towards Frozen?.

Joel Bennett

They are new items and certainly hard items. We do have some pricing power but as percentage of the business we still have a lot of legacy item. The expansion in gross margin is a little slower going. But we expect each of the quarters to be north of 30% which is a big positive sign considering the last the more recent history..

Ed Woo - Ascendiant Capital

Great.

And one last housekeeping item, what is your cash balance and how much of it is offshore and how much would you be subject to taxes if you do bring it back to the U.S.?.

Joel Bennett

We have about $163 million approximately $90 million or so in the U.S. We do have the maturity coming up in November of the 2014 notes of $39 million, but we can bring back $60 million range on the Hong Kong cash on a book and cash tax free basis.

But, we don't expect to have to do that but we do have the GE line which will help us manage any need should they come up. Q3 is our big, big selling season. It's just under half of the annual volume, so that fourth quarter will throw-off tremendous cash going into Q4 and into 2015..

Ed Woo - Ascendiant Capital

Great. Well, thank you. And good luck..

Stephen Berman Co-Founder, Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, President & Secretary

Thank you, Ed..

Ed Woo - Ascendiant Capital

And I'm definitely waiting for my Princess dresses, I hope you make it in very extra large size. Thank you..

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Andrew Crum from Stifel. Please go ahead..

Andrew Crum - Stifel

Okay. Thanks. Good morning everyone..

Stephen Berman Co-Founder, Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, President & Secretary

Good morning, Andrew..

Andrew Crum - Stifel

I had a question about the Disguise business, was there any anomalies with this quarter relative to shipping, did you ship earlier this year than last year that's the first question.

And then secondly, I didn't hear any discussion or anything in the press release on the Marble properties, can you comment on how they performed during the quarter and its expectations for the balance of the year given you have got three film properties from Marvel in 2014? Thank you..

Stephen Berman Co-Founder, Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, President & Secretary

On Disguise, we actually ramped up the – we had a internal forecast that we believed in and actually there was upside that came out of that forecast in so many various segments from Mario to Marvel to Frozen and other Disney properties, our core Disney Princess.

So what happened was a lot of the orders came in earlier in the second quarter, we wanted to do as to make sure we got more product out earlier, so we can get an extra churn or churn and a half on sell-throughs. And many retailers placed orders earlier, we shipped it FOB. So that was what happened with Disguise.

On Marvel, we have it in different segmentations of our business, so we have it in our kids’ only area business. We have it in our boys role-play, I'm trying to go through and in some segments we have it in Disguise.

And the Marvel boys properties and I will even use Transformers that we have in both our Halloween area of business and foot-to-floor was both boys properties were doing extremely strong they have held their own.

But in various segmentations of our business, so we don't have the core property rights of the action figures for the Marvel but we do have some great ancillary rights that have performed – that have performed and continued to perform going forward..

Andrew Crum - Stifel

Stephen just going back to the topic of Disguise, would that detract from third quarter shipments or demand strong enough where you don't see any impact..

Stephen Berman Co-Founder, Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, President & Secretary

We don't see any impact for the year, I don't have the total year forecast, but we do have growth in Disguise for the total year. And it may be there flattered detract a little bit but its offset by either areas of growth. So for the year, Disguise will be up year-over-year..

Andrew Crum - Stifel

Got it. Okay. Thanks guys..

Stephen Berman Co-Founder, Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, President & Secretary

Thank you..

Operator

Thank you. We have a follow-up question from Gerrick Johnson from BMO Capital. Please go ahead..

Gerrick Johnson - BMO Capital

Hey, there, told you will be back.

How long does the Frozen license last and do you have rights, should there be a sequel?.

Stephen Berman Co-Founder, Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, President & Secretary

A) We cannot discuss the period of licenses that we have just because of the confidentiality with our licensors and also for competitive reasons.

But we have it for a very good period of time and the sequel I believe from what we gather again this is just not confirmed, but all from Disney (indiscernible) they have promoted it for the years to come to Disney on Ice and through interstitials. I think there will be a Frozen in 2017, I don't know – again, I don't want to speak for Disney.

But they have also included in their TV show which they have once upon a time, they immediately included Elsa in that Sunday evening TV show. So they are promoting Frozen and Elsa throughout the year. So we have a broad license and for a good period of time.

So there is Frozen – it's now actually going to be compelled to the core Disney property, so Frozen now is Elsa and Anna are now part going into next year as core Disney Princess' and that's how Disney is looking at Frozen going forward..

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Sean McGowan with a follow-up from Needham & Company. Please go ahead..

Sean McGowan - Needham & Company

Hi, also some follow-ups..

Stephen Berman Co-Founder, Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, President & Secretary

Sure..

Sean McGowan - Needham & Company

So Joel, did I hear you right that your share count for the fourth quarter is 18.9?.

Joel Bennett

Yes..

Sean McGowan - Needham & Company

Does that imply then that the level of profitability is below that threshold that would give rise to the dilution and how does that square with the tax rate of 15%?.

Joel Bennett

It's 15% of the pre-tax which we are actually projecting a loss for Q4..

Sean McGowan - Needham & Company

So you would have a benefit….

Joel Bennett

Well, we have a tax rate so there is a provision not a benefit. So it's about 15% of the loss..

Sean McGowan - Needham & Company

Is it a benefit or provision, so it's a provision that's 15% of the loss?.

Joel Bennett

It's a provision at the group level there is a loss. But, at the Hong Kong, U.K. and Canada level there is taxable income that's why there is the provision..

Sean McGowan - Needham & Company

So we would see a pretax loss but a positive tax number like an actual tax….

Joel Bennett

Yes. Like in Q2, we have a pretax loss at the group level. I guess I should have not said 15% but it's 15% of the pretax but it's….

Sean McGowan - Needham & Company

Negative 15%..

Joel Bennett

Negative 15%..

Sean McGowan - Needham & Company

Okay. Thank you for clarifying that.

Anything in the inventory build that's related to concern over work stoppage or slowdown in the docks in LA?.

Joel Bennett

Well, from what we get right now that was an issue that was during the first quarter and second quarter but we shipped early preparing for it. But, as we see today there is no issue with the docks in LA ports. But, we did prepare for it because there was a lot of talk going on.

So those issues with the port seems like all the issues have been agreed upon with the unions. We are very close to the ports here. So we did prepare by bringing in goods early on. But, now we are actually are shipping as normal..

Sean McGowan - Needham & Company

Right.

I didn't know of inventory build still at the end of the second quarter reflects any of that anticipated issue?.

Joel Bennett

Yes. It did without a doubt. We are preparing early on because it was that's extreme talks of – it's been close so we have dealt with it before.

So but we actually then now since its resolved, are just planning as normal and in fact I'm leaving to Hong Kong and China next week because of just the demand and it's not just for Frozen we are seeing which is a positive at least in our industry is as there is less competition there is more demand for good product at retail and not does that retail call it on even online.

So we are seeing a lot of growth whether it's nominal in so many areas of our business that it's a great effect that there is a lot – less competition out there and retailers are seeing healthy retail environment for good product not for just basic.

So it's an exciting time and Frozen, it's terrific and it's a wonderful run and it will be a wonderful run next year. But we are also seeing really great traction across the board that even shows in our Disguise division, our Moose Mountain division, our boys division from the Hero Portal and the DreamPlay.

So first, purchases starting in fall that we actually have a component going forward. So it's really exciting..

Sean McGowan - Needham & Company

Okay, thanks.

And then a last question I have, it goes back to the dynamics within Disguise, I think Joel you mentioned competitive pricing dynamics, so what's that about and is that part of why you are not seeing better gross margin leverage and expansion?.

Joel Bennett

Well, in general I mean that's part of it. I mean Disguise is about 15%, 16% of the business. And just the competitive landscape in that area with one use garment if you will, it's just a lot of competition so we have a lot of moving pieces..

Sean McGowan - Needham & Company

Okay. So then I guess I'm still left wondering why – when a time when you have some decent momentum you are not seeing a greater expansion in gross profit. I mean I know last year there were a lot of….

Joel Bennett

Well, in terms of Q2 proportionately made of more – so it has lower margin than some of our other areas of business. In the second quarter, their sales were up pretty dramatically. We did about $30 million last year and it was $42-ish million this year.

So was more related to mix but for the pricing, I mean going into the year we are expecting a lot of competition. And so as Stephen mentioned it will be up year-over-year but there was a kind of a push in terms of the margin expansion.

In Q3 where the sales for Disguise will be a smaller percentage one because the overall business will be up that's our peak season. But also the earlier ship-on in general through 2Q..

Sean McGowan - Needham & Company

Okay. Thank you..

Stephen Berman Co-Founder, Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, President & Secretary

That is it from the Q&A portion of our call. We have no more questions. And we appreciate everybody's time. We will be doing calls to analyst and investors after the call today. So if anyone has any further questions or updates please give us a call directly and we have calls already scheduled. So thank you very much for your time. Bye-bye..

Operator

Thank you. And thank you ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect..

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