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EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT 2020 - Q4
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Operator

Greetings. Welcome to the Crinetics Pharmaceuticals, Inc. 2021 Clinical Strategy and 2020 Financial Results Conference Call. . I will now turn the conference over to your host, Corey Davis. You may begin..

Corey Davis

Thanks, Alex, and thank you all for participating in today's conference call. Before we start, I'd like to point out there is a slide deck that is going to accompany today's presentation. The deck can be viewed using the webcast link provided on the Investor page of the Crinetics website.

Also posted on this web page is a news release issued earlier today, announcing Crinetics' 2021 clinical plans and fourth quarter and full year 2020 financial results. .

Scott Struthers Founder, President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Thanks, Corey, and thanks to all of you listening this afternoon. I'm joined today by Dr. Alan Krasner, our Chief Medical Officer; and Marc Wilson, our Chief Financial Officer.

Although we're reporting our 2020 fourth quarter and year-end financial results, the primary purpose of hosting today's call is to provide some additional color on our development strategy and our clinical programs for what we believe will continue to be an exciting year for Crinetics.

Now before we get into what we have in store for the balance of the year, I'd like to first touch on some of the recent accomplishments that have set us up for success.

Last October, we reported positive Phase II data in acromegaly patients demonstrating that once-daily oral paltusotine allowed patients to maintain their IGF-1 levels when switching from the current standard of care, which are injected octreotide and lanreotide depot therapies.

This represented a significant accomplishment as IGF-1 is the biomarker used by physicians to manage acromegaly patients around the world.

Once we became comfortable that patients could effectively and seamlessly switch from injectable to our once-a-day oral pill, we approached the FDA and other regulators in order to design a robust Phase III program to support our goal to obtain a broad label and position paltusotine as a differentiated product with a competitive advantage.

Following these data and a recent productive meeting with the FDA, we are now advancing paltusotine into a Phase III program. Alan will walk you through that design in a moment. .

Alan Krasner Chief Endocrinologist

Thank you, Scott, and good afternoon, everyone. I'd like to start by describing the design of the PATHFNDR-1 study on Slide 5. It was designed based on feedback from the FDA and other regulators and mirrors the design of other recently approved products for acromegaly in the U.S.

As Scott mentioned, PATHFNDR-1 will enroll patients who are biochemically controlled on octreotide or lanreotide depot monotherapy. Target enrollment for this study is 52 patients.

These patients will remain on their injected depot monotherapy through a 1- to 3-month screening period, during which time we will establish baseline values for parameters such as IGF-1 growth hormone and total acromegaly symptoms diary score.

After completing the screening period, patients will be randomized to receive once-daily oral doses of paltusotine or placebo. IGF-1 assessments will be conducted each month throughout the study's 9-month treatment period. Patients randomized to paltusotine will start at a 40-milligram per day dose.

If during months 2 to 6, a patient's IGF-1 level rises above 0.9x the upper limit of normal, that patient's dose will be increased to 60 milligrams as some patients may need a higher dose. Alternatively, the dose can be decreased in 20-milligram decrements if necessary for tolerability reasons.

Patients will then be maintained on the dose that was established during the first 6 months of the treatment period. An average of the 3 IGF-1 assessments measured at weeks 32, 34 and 36 will serve to determine IGF-1 responder status. .

Marc Wilson

Thanks, Alan, and good afternoon, everyone. I'm pleased to report that in 2020, Crinetics was able to maintain a strong financial position, while making significant advancements in its clinical and drug discovery programs.

Our unrestricted cash, cash equivalents and investments improved to $170.9 million at the end of 2020 compared to $118.4 million at the end of 2019. Based on our current expectations, our financial runway extends into 2023, through the anticipated top line data readouts from the paltusotine PATHFNDR studies.

As of February 28, 2021, the company had roughly 33 million common shares outstanding. Total operating expenses for the fourth quarter and full year 2020 were approximately $21.8 million and $75 million, respectively.

This represented an increase over total operating expenses for the same periods in 2019, which were $15.5 million and $55 million, respectively. Research and development expenses for the fourth quarter and full year 2020 were $16.8 million and $57 million, respectively, compared to $12.1 million and $41.5 million for the same periods in 2019.

Increases in R&D spend were primarily attributable to clinical development and manufacturing activities for paltusotine as well as progress in the company's preclinical programs.

General and administrative expenses also increased for the fourth quarter and full year 2020, growing from $3.4 million and $13.5 million in 2019 to $5 million and $18 million for the same periods in 2020. These increases were primarily due to personnel costs to support the company's growth.

Finally, net loss for the fourth quarter of 2020 was $21.6 million compared to a net loss of $14.5 million for the same period in 2019. For the full year 2020, the company's net loss was $73.8 million compared to a net loss of $50.4 million for the full year 2019. And with that, I'll hand it back to Scott..

Scott Struthers Founder, President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Thanks, Marc. Before we open the line for questions, I'd like to take a moment to recognize all our employees, investigators, site staff and patients around the world.

Thanks to their talent and dedication amid the pandemic, we have gone from a company that had a single clinical-stage asset to one with an active pipeline of 3 clinical programs, with more on the way from discovery.

As you can see on the table on this slide, this progress has left us poised to achieve a steady cadence of milestones over the coming months. By the end of the year, we expect to have initiated both Phase III PATHFNDR studies as well as the Phase II trial evaluating paltusotine in patients with NETs complicated by carcinoid syndrome.

We also expect to have established proof of concept for our 4894 and 4777 programs, as our Phase I trials will assess the ability of these candidates to modulate the relative peptide hormone receptors in healthy volunteers. This should be highly predictive of efficacy in patients.

This early stage derisking strategy has been validated by our paltusotine program, which was the driving force behind our IPO a few years ago and was executed at the time when paltusotine has completed its first Phase I healthy volunteer study.

Collectively, we expect the execution of our clinical milestones to solidify our position as a leader in the field of endocrinology. We look forward to the year ahead and remain committed to working to improve the lives of our patients. With that, I'd like to thank everyone for joining our call today.

We'll now open the call to questions, and I'll ask the operator to moderate them..

Operator

. Our first question is from Charles Duncan with Cantor Fitzgerald..

Charles Duncan

Congrats, Scott and team, to a good year of progress. Really like the slides, they're very well organized, so definitely appreciate all the detail. First question, though, is timelines to data, data in '23. I mean, very well-organized program for PATHFNDR in Phase III.

And I guess I'm wondering what do you anticipate to be the biggest rate-limiting step? Will it be enrollment or identification of the best patients for this trial, appropriate patients for the trial? What is really governing that '23 timeline?.

Scott Struthers Founder, President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Thanks, Chaz. I appreciate the question. Maybe I'll take that one. And Alan, jump in if you think I'm missing anything. But patient enrollment is always a challenge in rare disease studies, but we've learned a lot from our Phase II program.

And we've implemented a range of things to enhance enrollment, not the least of which is letting patients and their investigators know that this drug can switch patients who are on standard of care to paltusotine without loss of IGF-1 control. So that's huge. The other thing is that we'll be using centers all around the world to conduct this study.

Probably with these studies, approximately 100 different centers in multiple different countries. So it's always a challenge. We're going to be working hard on site activations and patient recruitment through multiple mechanisms, but we're pretty confident in that forecast for 2023.

Alan, did you want to add anything?.

Alan Krasner Chief Endocrinologist

No, I agree with that very much, Scott. I also want to remind everyone that these studies have open-label extension periods, both of them. And that is always -- that always helps with recruitment, particularly in the rare disease state, particularly in studies which are placebo-controlled.

All patients who are eligible and complete the trials would have an opportunity to potentially enroll in the OLE..

Charles Duncan

Okay, and then if I may, a follow-up. It seems like stat sig relative to placebo, certainly in PATHFNDR-1, is relatively low bar.

But I guess I'm wondering beyond statistical significance, what kind of response rate would you like to see in terms of clinically significant results out of that PATHFNDR study?.

Scott Struthers Founder, President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Alan, do you want to take that?.

Alan Krasner Chief Endocrinologist

Sure. Well, so the end point is designed to be inherently clinically significant. And this is the preferred end point from the FDA and regulatory community, that is percentage of patients with normal IGF-1.

So showing as a increased responder rate that is significant in patients who normalize their IGF-1 is inherently clinically significant, and we know that is the preferred approach from the regulators..

Scott Struthers Founder, President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Okay. Maybe I'll just add to that, that we've shown in Phase II that paltusotine can achieve levels of IGF-1 that are equivalent or on par with those obtained with current standard of care.

So in PATHFNDR-1 where we're starting with patients already on injectable that are controlled, we would expect very high levels of responses -- responders, so 70%-plus. In naive patients or patients not on therapy, that might be substantially lower as it's been shown for the peptides.

So we'd expect those to be down around 1/3, as we previously discussed for patients who are new to somatostatin analog therapy..

Charles Duncan

That's helpful, Scott. Last question, moving on to the earlier pipeline, 4894 and 4777. Using the stim test in human volunteers, I get that endocrinology or endocrine systems are fairly well, I guess, conserved.

I'm wondering could you anticipate using a stimulation test when you move into patients to identify patients who may be responders and perhaps use that as an enrichment marker?.

Scott Struthers Founder, President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Alan, do you want to....

Alan Krasner Chief Endocrinologist

I think that's possible, Chaz. I mean that's something that we would evaluate after having seen Phase I healthy volunteer data. It certainly is intriguing to think of it as a companion sort of diagnostic.

The only thing I would say, though, is sort of we know that the -- we know sort of the ultimate markers that need to be controlled in these disease states. And in addition to showing the kinds of stimulation results where we hope to show in Phase I, we'll need to show, for example in Cushing's disease, that the overall cortisol output is reduced.

Usually, this is measured using urine free cortisol collections. So we'll be looking at a large host of markers, including cortisol output and stimulation type results..

Charles Duncan

Okay..

Scott Struthers Founder, President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

But maybe if I can take -- thanks, Chaz, but maybe if I can just add a little bit to Alan's comment. I don't actually think it's going to be necessary to enrich patients in either congenital adrenal hyperplasia or in Cushing's disease. We know in both cases that the patients are all responsive at the level of the adrenal to ACTH.

And therefore, blocking ACTH should lower adrenal steroid levels for any patient with that disease. So I don't think we need to worry much about enrichment. We just need to get this drug into patients at the doses that we figure out here in this Phase I study..

Operator

Our next question is from Tyler Van Buren with Piper Sandler..

Tyler Van Buren

Thanks for all the updates. I have questions on a couple of topics. I guess PATHFNDR-1 is kind of as expected, maybe some pushes and pulls relative to some other trials. The dose titration up to 60 mg should ensure that you have a lot of patients controlled. But I guess I wanted to ask about PATHFNDR-2.

I guess why haven't -- why didn't your closest competitor do a similar trial for approval or for the label? Is that because maybe you think that they were unsure if they were going to be able to get the same level of control of standard of care, or maybe that it would be more difficult to enroll these patients? And is there anything about the study that would make it easier to enroll maybe the shorter 12-week time period? And then the second is why didn't you do a PATHFNDR-3 looking at uncontrolled treatment-experienced patients like ACROBAT, as if I'm not mistaken, if I'm not mixing those two up..

Scott Struthers Founder, President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Let me -- thanks, Tyler. Let me take a shot at that. So PATHFNDR-2, the whole point about that is to make sure that we don't have a requirement in the label that says patients need to have tried or responded to the injectable therapies before they could use paltusotine. So that's why we study the treatment-naive or untreated patients.

I mean why put some poor patient through an unnecessary round of injectable therapy, instead of just putting them immediately on paltusotine once they're first diagnosed and ready for medical therapy. So that was the motivation behind PATHFNDR-2. Now PATHFNDR-3, -4, -5, I think -2 is enough for now.

In particular, we've already shown in Phase II that in those patients on medical therapy that had not achieved normal, that we could keep their IGF levels the same as the standard of care. So I consider that box already checked.

But I do think as part of our commercial effort in a couple of years, we may do additional Phase IV-type studies to help flesh out the label, provide guidance on usage in combination with other therapies, for example. And excited for the long time we have to spend with this molecule. Because remember, we've still got patent coverage out to the 2040s.

So we're going to invest in getting the best possible label, best possible guidance to physicians and patients in this molecule..

Operator

Our next question is from Joseph Schwartz with SVB Leerink..

Joori Park

I'm Joori dialing in for Joe. I was just wondering if you could just dig a little bit deeper on your PATHFNDR-2 trial duration. I was just wondering where the 2 weeks -- where that came from.

And also, do you think that's enough to capture the efficacy of paltusotine in treatment-naive patients?.

Scott Struthers Founder, President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Joori, thank you.

Alan, why don't you answer that question?.

Alan Krasner Chief Endocrinologist

Yes. I just want to clarify the trial duration for PATHFNDR-2, the treatment duration is three months. And yes, it's adequate time for paltusotine to reach a steady state and for the IGF-1 response to paltusotine to reach a steady state. This is evidenced from both our Phase I and Phase II data to date.

These are patients who are untreated and start out with high IGF-1 levels. It's a placebo-controlled trial. So it's appropriate to limit the duration to that, which is necessary to show the treatment effect. Three months is very reasonable for that purpose..

Joori Park

Okay. Great. Thanks for clarifying that..

Scott Struthers Founder, President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Yes. And as a reminder, they will all also be eligible -- they should be eligible for an open-label extension to provide additional data on long-term durability of response and safety. And that's true for all our both Phase II and Phase III studies..

Joori Park

Okay. And then I was just wondering if you could just help set expectations with your new formulation that can be dosed twice as high.

How are you thinking about this translating to efficacy in your Phase III? Are you expecting it could be higher? Or like what percentage of your patients do you think you're going to have to get to the higher dose to get meaningful efficacy?.

Scott Struthers Founder, President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Yes, so in our Phase II program, we showed that 40 milligrams should be adequate for the majority of patients. But we added 60 milligrams just for those patients, which we expect to be a smaller proportion, that may need a little higher exposure levels or weren't getting the full exposure they needed out of 40 for one reason or another.

So again, the goal is to provide adequate coverage for all the patients in the study..

Operator

Our next question is from Douglas Tsao with H.C. Wainwright..

Douglas Tsao

Just I know after the Phase II data, there was some discussion about potentially using, I think, going up to an 80-milligram dose. I'm just curious why ultimately you sort of settled on 60. And also, I think with PATHFNDR-1, I think I saw that you're going to measure the primary end point on -- at three time points.

But in PATHFNDR-2, it looked like there's only maybe two end points. So I'm just curious why you're sort of using those two different sort of benchmarks, if you will..

Scott Struthers Founder, President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Thanks, Doug.

Alan, do you want to answer that?.

Alan Krasner Chief Endocrinologist

Sure. On the latter question, so the PATHFNDR-2 study is a shorter treatment period, shorter periods of the final dose stabilization period. So we're sort of more limited in terms of our time frame there. And generally, 2 or 3 to constitute an average IGF-1 is adequate in this kind of setting.

And I'm sorry, what was your first question, Doug?.

Douglas Tsao

Just in terms of the dosing that you did, I think there was some conversation about testing higher doses after the first studies. And it doesn't sound like you've -- and I think sort of maybe the 80 was even -- even potentially going to an 80 milligram. And obviously, it doesn't seem like you're going there.

So just curious about what was sort of the decision for you in terms of coming to that decision, in reaching that..

Alan Krasner Chief Endocrinologist

Yes, so this is all based on dose response and exposure response modeling work that's been done and shared with the FDA. And we really believe that as Scott mentioned, 40 milligrams should cover the vast majority of patients and only a small number of outlier patients with the increased exposure.

And 60 milligrams should cover that degree of exposure needed in that setting according to the modeling..

Douglas Tsao

Okay.

And then just one final question, just typically when you have an untreated patient going on to an injectable therapy, typically how long does it take for them to reach biochemical control?.

Alan Krasner Chief Endocrinologist

Well, so typically, you would give -- typically, the long-acting injections are given once per month. And so typically, to reach steady state, you would wait to assess the full effect after three injections or about three months in clinical practice.

In the case of paltusotine, which is a much more rapidly absorbed agent and taken on a daily basis, the time to steady-state effect and PK would be much shorter than that..

Douglas Tsao

And presumably, along those lines, just given your ability to dose titrate much quicker should give you a much longer window than what you typically see with an injectable?.

Alan Krasner Chief Endocrinologist

A much longer window to assess....

Douglas Tsao

Or not -- or you have more -- relative to that 3-month period end point, to reach sort of your optimal steady state, if you will.

Does that make sense?.

Alan Krasner Chief Endocrinologist

Yes..

Scott Struthers Founder, President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Although I would say, almost -- this is not exactly what one would traditionally mean by dose titration. Because we're starting at a dose that we expect to be efficacious for the vast majority of the patients, and then we just offer a higher dose just in case for those patients who might need a little bit more. So it's not really dose titration.

We're just trying to hit it with the right dose the first time, and then we have a backup plan in case it's not quite enough..

Douglas Tsao

And Scott, why was the decision to start with 40 and not potentially, sort of, just given how quickly you can pivot, start with 20 and then move to 40?.

Scott Struthers Founder, President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Well, there's just no reason to -- I'm thinking ahead to when this is on the market. And there's really no reason for patients to risk a period of lack of control. So we start directly with 40. Now there is a nuance in PATHFNDR-2, where we have a brief period where they have a starting dose of 20 milligrams and then they go to 40.

And that's simply because in patients who are new to somatostatin analogs, they tend to have some GI side effects the first week or two of therapy. And so we just wanted to give them a little more gentle introduction to the drug..

Operator

Our final question is from Daniel Wolle with JPMorgan..

Daniel Wolle

This is Daniel for Jessica Fye. First, starting maybe with PATHFNDR-1.

Is there a washout period after the screening period right before the 9-month treatment period is initiated?.

Scott Struthers Founder, President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Hi, Daniel.

You want to answer that, Alan?.

Alan Krasner Chief Endocrinologist

No, no, these are patients in PATHFNDR-1 who are on octreotide or lanreotide. And we screen them, and we find that they have a normal IGF-1. And then they randomize to paltusotine versus placebo at the time they're due for their next injection. So no, there's no washout involved in PATHFNDR-1 initially. But this is a 9-month study.

And during that period, their preexisting injections will washout as the paltusotine is taking over control of IGF-1..

Daniel Wolle

Got it. Okay.

And then regarding the rescue criteria definition, is it dependent on the two consecutive IGF-1 greater than equal to 1.3x upper limit of normal and exasperation of symptoms? Or is it just failure on the 2 consecutive IGF-1 scores?.

Alan Krasner Chief Endocrinologist

It's based on both IGF-1 and symptoms. And this is a precedented criterion used previously for the most recent acromegaly drug approval. So we do know this is a successful way to manage patients safely through these kinds of placebo-controlled trials..

Daniel Wolle

Okay.

And then for PATHFNDR-2, given that these patients are not well controlled, does it make sense to go against placebo? Why not an active agent in the control arm to create a stronger efficacy profile for paltusotine?.

Alan Krasner Chief Endocrinologist

Well, we do expect them -- you see, these are untreated patients. So once they're treated with paltusotine, we do expect them to achieve control.

I would say that in terms of why is it a placebo controlled, well, it's clear that placebo-controlled studies give -- are simpler designs that help the regulators assess safety more accurately related to drug. We do know that the regulators, particularly the FDA, are more comfortable with placebo-controlled design trials.

This kind of trial in this kind of patient population is also a precedented Phase III trial for another approved acromegaly product. So we think scientifically, it's the most rigorous. It will give us the clear answers we need in a reasonable period of time, and we know it is most acceptable to the regulators..

Scott Struthers Founder, President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

But I'd also add, Daniel, that we've got a great deal of baseline control data already with the ACROBAT EDGE study. And we'll be having in PATHFNDR-1 baseline control data to compare with paltusotine as well. So there'll be plenty of active control comparison, just not a head to head in these current studies..

Daniel Wolle

Got it. Okay. And the last one, what's the rationale for PATHFNDR's -- sorry, that has been answered.

But the other question is given the shorter duration of treatment period for PATHFNDR-2, how come data is still reading out in 2023 along with PATHFNDR-1, which has a longer treatment period?.

Scott Struthers Founder, President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Well, studies are always controlled by a mix of recruitment rates and treatment periods. We did pretty extensive feasibility on both studies at sites around the world. So that's why we started PATHFNDR-1 first. The treatment period is a little bit longer. And in PATHFNDR-2, it's a little shorter.

So that's why we expect them to finish at about the same time..

Operator

Thank you. We have reached the end of the question-and-answer session, and I will now turn the call over to DScott Struthers for closing comments..

Scott Struthers Founder, President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Thank you, everyone. I just want to thank you one more time for joining us on the call. And we look forward to continuing the advancement of our clinical and discovery programs. We'll keep everyone updated along the way as best as we can. And have a safe spring. Thank you..

Operator

This concludes today's conference, and you may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation, and have a great day..

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