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EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT
EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT 2023 - Q2
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Operator

Good day and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Cipher Mining’s Second Quarter 2023 Business Update. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker’s presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Please be advised that today’s conference is being recorded.

I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Joshua Kane, Head of Investor Relations..

Joshua Kane Head of Investor Relation

Good morning. Thank you for joining us on this conference call to discuss Cipher Mining’s second quarter 2023 business update. Joining me on the call today are Tyler Page, Chief Executive Officer; and Ed Farrell, Chief Financial Officer.

Please note that you may also review our press release and presentation, which can be found on the Investor Relations section of the company’s website. Please note that this call will also be simultaneously webcast on the Investor Relations section of the company’s website.

This conference call is the property of Cipher Mining and any taping or other reproduction is expressly prohibited without prior consent.

Before we start, I’d like to remind you that the following discussion, as well as our press release and presentation, contain forward-looking statements, including, but not limited to, Cipher’s financial outlook, business plans and objectives, and other future events and developments, including statements about the market potential of our business operations, potential competition and our goals and strategies.

The forward-looking statements and risks in this conference call, including responses to your questions, are based on current expectations as of today and Cipher assumes no obligation to update or revise them, whether as a result of new developments or otherwise, except as required by law.

Additionally, the following discussion may contain non-GAAP financial measures. We may use non-GAAP measures to describe the way in which we manage and operate our business.

We reconcile non-GAAP measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures and you are encouraged to examine those reconciliations, which are found at the end of our earnings release issued earlier this morning. I will now turn the call over to Tyler.

Tyler?.

Tyler Page Chief Executive Officer & Director

Thanks, Josh. Hi. This is Tyler Page, CEO of Cipher Mining. Thank you very much for joining our second quarter 2023 business update call. As we start the call, I’d like to take a moment to point out that this is our eighth public earnings call and I’m extremely proud of what we’ve accomplished over the past two years as a public company.

Our philosophy from day one has been to invest in great people, operations and technology, with the goal of becoming the leading Bitcoin miner in the world. Over the past several quarters, we have made tremendous strides on the production front and like last quarter, we’re delighted to announce record production.

In addition to discussing our ramp-up in production, I will also discuss the continued growth of the corporate side of the company and other areas of the business, which are important to the long-term success of the company.

As you’ve seen from our monthly production reports and commentary, our team constantly works to drive operating improvements and cost savings. We have learned a great deal about improving efficiencies in our fleet even under the extreme weather conditions we have seen this summer in Texas.

The halving is an event that happens every four years and refers to the reduction in supply of new Bitcoin awarded to miners. It’s an event that can be challenging for even the most disciplined companies in our space. We believe Cipher is very well positioned to be a winner on the other side of the upcoming halving.

Slide three shows a number of our distinguishing characteristics, which we believe are critical to our long-term positioning. Our weighted average cost of power is approximately $2.7 per kilowatt hour and about 96% of our portfolio is energized through fixed price power.

As a reminder, power represents the overwhelming majority of our operating costs and is a key driver of our best-in-class unit economics. Structuring favorable energy economics remains the most important element of any future opportunities we consider. As we’ve said before, this is a cyclical business.

Managing through the cycle is fundamental to our approach, whether that involves finding low cost power, not overpaying for mining rigs during bull markets or avoiding overly burdensome debt.

On top of the attractive power contracts we have negotiated, we also have more than 70,000 purchase rigs and as of this week run the entire business with a total of 32 employees.

We’ve talked in previous quarters about the attractive organic growth opportunities that are at some of our existing sites and we’ve continued to make progress at those sites.

At each of Bear and Chief, we have acquired long lead time items for 30 megawatt expansions, and at Alborz, we recently received ERCOT approval for a supplemental grid connection that would potentially allow us to expand our existing data center by 10 megawatts in the near-term, as well as increase our targeted operational uptime significantly.

We have also identified another 117 megawatts of potential JV opportunities at new sites with our partner, WindHQ, that should be available in 2024. Also, we continue to see acquisition opportunities in the marketplace. The halving is growing ever closer and miners are faced with a challenging operating environment.

As the reality of the halvings effects on miners with high costs sets in, we think there may arise interesting opportunities for growth. On page four, we give some key performance indicators that we observe in the business as we continue to ramp up.

Our current self-mining hash rate is 6.8 exahash per second, and we expect to reach 7.2 exahash per second by the end of Q3 as we complete the build-out of the Odessa facility. With the potential expansions at Alborz, Bear and Chief that we talked about on slide three, we see the opportunity for near-term organic growth up to 8.7 exahash per second.

On the bottom of this slide, you can see some of our current and year-to-date production numbers, which reflect the rapid pace of our build-out. In the middle of the page, you can see our Bitcoin held, which has risen quarter-over-quarter. We manage our Bitcoin treasury by generally selling enough Bitcoin every month to fund our operating expenses.

Beyond those sales, we may choose to sell more Bitcoin for dollars to invest in expansion opportunities to hedge our inventory with futures or options or to hold excess Bitcoin to build our overall treasury balance.

It’s our goal to build our Bitcoin inventory over time and with CapEx winding down at our Odessa site, we have increased flexibility to build that inventory. Slide five is a high-level overview of a Bitcoin mining business, which we like to include each quarter to remind everyone how our business model works.

We operate the box in the middle of the drawing that says mining equipment, which represents our data centers and mining rigs. As I discussed earlier, we spend the majority of our operating expenses on electricity, which our data centers convert into computing output.

Unlike traditional data centers, which operate a similar model and sell their computing output to enterprise clients for dollars, Cipher sells its computing output called hash rate to the Bitcoin network for Bitcoins.

To make this model operate profitably, a Bitcoin mining company needs to control both its electricity costs and the capital expense to build its data centers, including what it spends to purchase mining equipment.

Controlling these costs enabled a minor to be a lower cost producer and our focus at Cipher has always been on controlling these specific costs to produce the best possible unit economics. That illustration hopefully gives you a good sense of the straightforward Bitcoin mining business.

Cipher, however, does have an additional element to our business, which is incredibly valuable. We have the ability to sell power back to the grid at our Odessa facility. That aspect of our PPA gives us both an element of downside risk protection, as well as upside optionality to our revenue streams that doesn’t exist for most traditional miners.

At our Odessa data center, the power provider has the right to curtail our power use up to 5% of hours over the course of the year.

They will generally try to do this when an open market purchase prices for power are high, so that they can reap larger returns from selling power in the market, as opposed to selling it to us at our lower contracted fixed price.

We can also curtail the data center ourselves, shutdown our machines and sell the power we are not using back into the market. This is not the same as being an ERCOT ancillary services participant, because we are behind the meter, but it affords us some similar advantages when power markets are volatile.

Let’s now turn to page six and take a look at recent Bitcoin market events and Cipher’s approach to these volatile markets. During the quarter, we have seen many positive headlines for Bitcoin. Leading the way, we saw a number of the largest institutions file or refile for their Bitcoin Spot ETF.

Other large institutions applying for various cryptocurrency licenses and a cryptocurrency bill make it out of committee in Congress. The news drove a rally in Bitcoin up to around $32,500 before it fizzled and retreated to being range bound in the high 20,000s.

During this price movement, there has been a steady climb to an all-time high in overall Bitcoin network hash rate, which continues to suppress mining economics.

So what does all this mean for how we are approaching the remainder of 2023 and next year going into the halving? With this market backdrop, we believe it’s crucial to optimize our current production, while we weigh a long list of potential expansion opportunities from both our existing sites and new opportunities.

On slide seven, we give a portfolio overview of our data centers. We have completed the build-out of our Alborz, Bear and Chief data centers and expect full completion of Odessa by the end of the third quarter. Our cost of electricity per Bitcoin generated at our sites are some of the lowest in the industry.

Year-to-date across our portfolio, we have paid approximately $8,034 in all-in electricity costs per Bitcoin produced. We are very proud of this.

And for those who are relatively new to the story, the chart on the right shows you the dramatic build-out in Cipher’s overall hash rate year-to-date, as well as the additional potential near-term growth opportunities that we outlined earlier. Let’s dive into specifics for each site.

Turning to slide eight, you can see a picture of our Odessa facility, which we anticipate completing by the end of Q3. Odessa is clearly the most significant part of our portfolio as it represents approximately 90% of our Bitcoin production.

Odessa is a wholly owned facility with a five year fixed price PPA and some of the lowest cost power in the industry. In fact, as of the third quarter last year, we began reporting a third-party independent valuation to give investors a sense of how much value is represented in the contract alone. Ed will talk more about it in his remarks.

At the end of July, we generated approximately 5.8 exahash per second at the site using approximately 193 megawatts. We have mined roughly 2,443 Bitcoins at the site year-to-date and had a recent maximum daily mining capacity of approximately 14.2 Bitcoins per day.

In the coming months, we will be hosting an Investor Day at Odessa and look forward to showcasing the operations and team as we finish the last pieces of the build-out. Moving to slide nine let’s take a look at an overview of operational highlights at our Alborz data center.

Alborz is 100% powered by wind and is a joint venture that we share with our energy provider. It currently has a total operating capacity when the wind blows of 40 megawatts. That 40 megawatts power is roughly 1.3 exahash per second of rigs.

Alborz can mine a maximum of roughly 3.17 Bitcoins per day and year-to-date the site has mined approximately 464 Bitcoins. Roughly half of that total capacity and site production belong to Cipher. Most importantly, our year-to-date all-in electricity cost per Bitcoin at Alborz was approximately $6,312, demonstrating our resilient low cost structure.

We are working to supplement the wind production at Alborz, with a grid connection, which would allow us to increase our uptime and generate more Bitcoin with the existing equipment at the site.

We are also looking at a potential 10-megawatt expansion of the site in the coming quarters, with potential larger expansion up to 165 megawatts in the future. Slide 10 shows operational highlights from our Bear and Chief data centers.

Combined, the sites operate 20 megawatts, which power approximately 0.65 exahash per second and can generate roughly 1.5 Bitcoins per day to 8 Bitcoins per day in current market conditions. Bear and Chief are also structured as joint ventures with similar shared economics to Alborz.

Unlike our other sites, which have behind-the-meter power arrangements, Bear and Chief are set up in front of the meter at a location in Texas that typically features attractive market prices.

Our year-to-date, all-in electricity cost per Bitcoin at the combined sites was approximately $6,511.\ As I mentioned earlier, Bear and Chief each have the potential for 30 megawatt expansions in the coming quarters and we have been acquiring long lead time infrastructure like transformers to ensure that we will be able to expand when we choose to do so.

We are continuing to monitor the market for favorable machine purchases and being thoughtful and deliberate as we consider the upcoming halving. The wonderful advantage of our expansions at these sites is that we have no deadline to start drawing power. That is, we have no take-or-pay obligations.

Thus, we can continue to be opportunistic and expand at our own pace. As a final note, before I turn the call over to Ed, I’d like to share one more important announcement. We are adding Rob Flatley to our Board of Directors. Rob is the CEO of TS Imagine and has deep experience in electronic trading.

He has founded and led multiple companies specializing in data, analytics and securities trading and has pioneered efforts to bring traditional financial trading infrastructure to crypto.

As we enter our next phase of growth, we believe that utilizing the immense data sets we collect and analyze, while operating our data centers and treasury will be key to successfully expanding Cipher beyond being just another Bitcoin miner and look forward to his advice and assistance in the coming years. Welcome, Rob.

Now I’ll turn it over to our Chief Financial Officer, Ed Farrell..

Ed Farrell Chief Financial Officer

Thank you, Tyler, and hello to everyone on the call. Before I move on to my remarks on the quarter, I’d like to remind everyone that I will be referring to the reported financial results for the three months and six months ended June 30th. Our published does contain several slides, which refer to the updated data.

Those numbers are footnoted and referenced as current as of July 31, 2023. Over the past several quarters, we have reported a steady ramp-up in production as we move toward the completion of our Odessa facility.

Last quarter, we began to see those operational development flow through to the financials and we’re delighted to see the trend continue in the second quarter. The second quarter was characterized by further topline growth, greater free cash flow and improved liquidity.

I’m happy to report for the three months ended June 30, 2023, that our Odessa facility mined 1,114 Bitcoin, resulting in Cipher reporting $31.2 million in revenue. And for the first half of 2023, Odessa mined 2,061 Bitcoin, resulting in $53.1 million in revenue.

This coupled with the 143 Bitcoin we earned at our JV resulted in a total of 1,257 Bitcoin mined in the second quarter and for the six months, our JVs earned 341 Bitcoins for a total of 2,402 Bitcoin. Please note that the financial impact of the Bitcoin mined at our JVs is included in the equity investee account on the income statement.

Tyler talked about the upcoming halving and the importance of the ability of the company to weather financial challenging markets. Our unit economics is a critical part of our ability not only to survive but come out of winter on the other side of the halving. Equally important is the health of our financial position.

As we like to remind investors, this is a cyclical business and we want to maintain a strong balance sheet and financial position that gives us maximum flexibility over the course of the cycle. We continue to have no debt at the corporate level, just equipment financing at the project level.

And in the current market conditions, we do not generally see debt as an attractive form of financing. The ability to fund both capital expenditures and operating expenses through ongoing operations, while building a Bitcoin reserve is a key differentiator for us versus many of our competitors.

It also reflects our prudent approach as we look towards the halving. Now I’d like to turn to the Odessa PPA. Tyler talked about the competitive advantage of our power contract that Odessa gives us.

As a reminder, we began publishing a third-party mark for this agreement in the third quarter of 2022, which we believe underlines the fundamental value in the business. That mark is shown as a derivative asset on the balance sheet that gets revalued each reporting period.

It essentially reflects the in-the-money value of the contract relative to the current market for the power prices at Odessa. At June 30, this asset was valued at $75.3 million or an increase of $3.2 million, which is recorded as a gain on our income statement.

Please note that this asset is in two components, $25.8 million as a current asset and $49.5 million as a non-current asset. For this period and future periods, the change in fair value of this contract will flow through our GAAP earnings and we exclude the impact for non-GAAP reporting.

Our other significant assets as of the end of the quarter include liquidity of $12.2 million. This includes cash of $1.7 million and Bitcoin of $10.5 million.

Property and equipment of $268 million is primarily related to the Odessa facility, which includes miners of $158 million, lease hold improvements of $135 million and other fixed assets of $3.6 million. These items were offset by $29.4 million of accumulated depreciation.

In addition, we have security deposits of $17.7 million that primarily relates to collateral posted to our Odessa power provider. Our equity investment of $33.1 million relates to our JV Alborz, Bear and Chief. Currently, our liquidity position is $15.9 million, comprised of $1.1 million in cash and $14.8 million in Bitcoin.

We utilized the ATM for the first time this quarter and issued approximately 978,000 shares at an average fair market value of $2.78 was $2.7 million net of issuance fees. We believe the ATM is a useful tool which we can access in the right market conditions and for the right growth opportunities.

Now let’s look at our GAAP operating results for the quarter ended June 30th. We had a net loss of $12.7 million or a net loss of $0.05 per share. This compares to the prior year’s second quarter, where we had a net loss of $29.2 million or a net loss of $0.12 per share.

Again, our Odessa facility mined 1,114 Bitcoin and generated revenue of $31.2 million for the three months ended June 30th, using an average price per Bitcoin of about $28,000.

Cost of revenue for the three months ended June 30, 2023, was $15.9 million and consisted primarily of power costs at the Odessa facility, as well as maintenance expense for the mining operations. In addition, we have reported power sales of $5.7 million for the quarter.

I would like to highlight that we had offsetting adjustments of $2.7 million in both the cost of power and power sales as they are offsetting, they have no impact in current results. The change in fair value of our Odessa power agreement, which I mentioned earlier resulted in a gain of $3.2 million.

Equity and losses of equity investees totaled approximately $1.4 million for the quarter ended June 30th, a decrease of $10.6 million for the three months ended June 30, 2022. To remind everyone, equity and losses of equity investees consists of our 49% share in the earnings or losses generated by our three partially owned mining sites.

General and administrative expenses totaled $21.3 million for the current quarter versus $16.7 million for the previous year’s quarter.

Within G&A, the primary drivers are; stock-based compensation of $9.2 million in the current quarter versus $10.1 million in the prior year’s quarter; compensation and benefits of $3.4 million versus $1.1 million in the prior year quarter, this increase is contributed to building out our team over the course of the year, we doubled the size of our team this past year as we built out the data centers in our corporate businesses, but we’re still at only 30 employees; corporate insurance totaled $2.4 million in the current quarter versus $2.5 million in the prior year quarter.

Other G&A totaled $3 million and include IT, occupancy and other public company expenses versus $2.1 million for the three months ended June 30, 2022. The other increase for this quarter was that we accrued $2 million for the costs related to resolving our payments dispute with Luminant.

Depreciation for the second quarter was $14.4 million versus an immaterial amount in the prior year second quarter. This is because the second quarter of 2022, we hadn’t yet started mining at Odessa, so the depreciation on the equipment was minimal. We had a realized gain on the sale of Bitcoin of $4.2 million in the second quarter.

As I mentioned on previous calls, we began selling a portion of our Bitcoin holdings at the start of 2023 to support our operations and cash requirements. Finally, we recognized a $2.8 million impairment on our Bitcoin holdings in the second quarter versus $500,000 in the previous year’s second quarter.

Let’s move on now to our non-GAAP financial measures.

We are providing supplemental financial measures for our non-GAAP income from operations that excludes the impact of depreciation of fixed assets, share-based compensation expense, the non-cash change in the fair value of our warrant liability, deferred tax expense and the non-cash change in the fair value of our derivative asset, which again is the power contract at Odessa.

These supplemental financial measures are not measured to financial performance in accordance with U.S. GAAP, and as such, they may not be comparable to similarly titled measures of other companies. We believe that these non-GAAP measures may be useful to investors in comparing our performance across reporting periods on a consistent basis.

Management uses these non-GAAP financial measures internally to help understand, manage and evaluate our business performance and to help make operating decisions. So for the three months ended June 30, 2023, we had a non-GAAP net income of $7.3 million or $0.04 per share.

This compares to a non-GAAP net loss of $19.1 million or a net loss of $0.08 per share for the previous year’s second quarter. I encourage you to review our earnings release where we have provided a reconciliation of these GAAP versus non-GAAP results.

I would close out our presentation by saying we are pleased with the continued build-out at our Odessa facility and remain on track to achieve 7.2 exahash by the end of Q3.

Looking out towards the halving, we cannot predict the price of bitcoin or future hash rates, but our financial position and best-in-class unit economics should position us well to take advantage of the volatile markets we expect to see.

In closing, we look forward to updating you in greater detail on the financial results as Odessa is completed in the third quarter and we began to see operations at a full run rate. I will pause, and Tyler and I are happy to answer your questions..

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] And our first question comes from the line of Chase White with Compass Point Research..

Chase White

Thanks. Good morning, guys. A couple, if I may. First of all, just on housekeeping.

Can you give us a sense of what the EBITDA generated by the JVs was in the quarter?.

Ed Farrell Chief Financial Officer

Sure. I can do that, Chase. Nice to have -- good to have you on the call. The EBITDA for the JVs is about $7 million..

Chase White

Got you. That’s helpful. And then it’d be great if you could walk us through the CapEx needs for the JV expansion and any color you can give us on potential time lines? Any details would be great..

Tyler Page Chief Executive Officer & Director

I can provide some color on that. Hi, Chase. So I think with the JV expansion and consistent with the theme that we’ve been talking about for a while, we are weighing sort of cautious expansion and timelines versus halving a sort of economics in the space as hash rate builds and Bitcoin stays stagnant.

So what we’ve done is, we’ve invested -- the JVs have invested a few million dollars in getting the longest lead time items, transformers and the necessary equipment sort of up to that point. We have not secured containers and miners yet, but the lead times on that is less.

I think as I mentioned on the call, the thing we are keeping in mind here is that, we don’t have a deadline to expand or take or pay and so we can be, frankly, cautious as we think about allocating further capital.

If we were to go tomorrow, I would still say that, probably, assuming everything stayed on track and things were delivered on time, that would be close to year-end would be my guess.

But we haven’t made that decision yet to purchase the containers and miners that would be necessary and so that’s why we’re not specific on the timing of how we’re thinking about that..

Chase White

Got it. That makes sense.

And any color on kind of cost per megawatt for the infrastructure or anything like that, that you could give us?.

Tyler Page Chief Executive Officer & Director

I think it’s ballpark, typically about half the cost per megawatt is in the miners themselves and so I think, historically, we have spent about $500,000 on non-mining rig infrastructure per megawatt.

So if you just use that, you figure whatever the going rate for rigs is, we’ll make up on top of that within that half that is the infrastructure transformers are a meaningful but not a majority of it. So that’s not specific, I realize, but there’s still, I would say, the majority of cost per megawatt has not been spent yet..

Chase White

Got it. That’s helpful. Thank you..

Operator

One moment for our next question, please. And it comes from the line of John Todaro with Needham & Company..

John Todaro

Great. Thanks for taking the questions, guys. Two for you here if I could get a both in. First, trying to understand the uptick in cost of revenue. So it sounds like energy maybe was around $8 million to $9 million. It looks like that maintenance expense must have been up a little bit.

Can we just talk a little bit about the drivers there? Any commentary on that?.

Ed Farrell Chief Financial Officer

Sure, John. Hi. It’s Ed. Yeah. I can give you some color there. The drivers for the cost of revenue, yes, we have -- part of that is our team that’s down there monitoring and maintaining the facilities. And yes, with the increase at Odessa, we have increased the staff there. So that’s somewhat the driver of it.

The actual cost of revenue in that number for the current period, there was an accounting adjustment of about $2.7 million. That’s offset by the power sales equal and offset. So there’s no impact. There was just a catch-up adjustment based upon some data -- new data that we received. Again, it doesn’t have an impact to the bottomline.

So if you’re looking at that current quarter number, that’s probably -- that is overstated by about $2.7 million as is the cost of the power sales number that we had.

Does that make sense?.

John Todaro

Yes. Okay. That’s helpful. Thanks for that. And then my next question, a little bit different. But the power sales increase kind of makes sense with the weather here.

Any expectations for the remainder of the year, kind of what we should expect for power sales?.

Tyler Page Chief Executive Officer & Director

I think that’s hard to answer, John, because….

Ed Farrell Chief Financial Officer

Yeah..

Tyler Page Chief Executive Officer & Director

I think this year has been a bit of a learning experiment for everyone dealing with power in Texas. I think as everyone knows, we’ve had record temperatures across the state, record power demand. But simultaneously, while that has led to some higher prices, people are also aware of that.

There are more curtailable loads available, and generally, it’s hard to predict sort of prices around the market. It’s not as simple sort of linear exercise where you say it is hotter. Therefore, people want more air conditioning, therefore prices will go up, because more power is also available.

And so there’s a bit of a game theory for sort of what people are selling ahead, what’s available in real time, et cetera. When we think about opportunistic power sales, first things first, we, as you know, offer 5% of our hours as curtailment to our power provider at Odessa and they generally use those pretty well around the highest price moments.

They have used over 50 -- decent amount over 50% of their curtailable hours year-to-date. And so I think if we see conditions persist, you could see more opportunistic power sales from us depending on how that curtailment budget gets spent by our counterparty. So it’s very hard to predict.

I mean, I think, what I would say, if you compare us to other miners that are front of the meter and may have power sales from participating in ancillary services, keep in mind that a lot of the value we’ve got is baked into our $0.027 price across the portfolio.

That sort of keeps in mind this curtailment that is meant to pick up some of those big spikes in power. So on the opportunistic side, while I think we will continue to have power sales, it has mostly been where we have had excess power available to us, because we have not had all the equipment plugged in yet.

As far as capturing the spike, like I know we talked about in previous quarters, that can happen, but it’s very hard to predict, because there’s a lot of dynamics that go into pricing and also calculating how our curtailment budget gets used..

John Todaro

Got it. Thanks, guys. Appreciate it..

Operator

Thank you. One moment for our next question, please. And it comes from the line of Josh Siegler with Cantor Fitzgerald..

Josh Siegler

Yeah. Hi, guys. Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions today. So, first of all, as we’re heading into the halving, how are you thinking about your growth strategy.

Most importantly, what would cause you to take a more aggressive approach to scaling or a more conservative approach?.

Tyler Page Chief Executive Officer & Director

Thanks, Josh. I think it’s around level of comfort for projecting the economics. I think if you look at a hash rate on the network that has continued to build, while we’ve had this range-bound Bitcoin.

If you project that into the future and look at the modeling, as everyone knows, the revenue numbers for all miners will drop off a cliff towards the end of next April. Probably, if we were to have market conditions similar to today, that would cause quite a shakeout in the industry and Cipher would be very well positioned.

I think we’re cognizant of not trying to get overextended with that expansion. Even if we can cash flow positive in that environment, we want to be careful about how we fund such growth at the JVs.

So it’s impossible to say exactly, but if we all come back after the end of the summer and it feels like we’re not so range-bound, maybe Bitcoin breaks out and we have reasons to believe that, that will be a sustainable breakout.

That could lead us to have more confidence to push forward with ordering rigs that would accommodate our expansions at Bear and Chief. But it’s hard to say, there’s not one thing. I think we’re taking advantage of the fact that we don’t have a take-or-pay deadline and so we can afford to be flexible.

We think we are really the best positioned minor when we get through the halving. We just want to be cautious not to sort of push -- not have that advantage, because we were too aggressive. So we’re just being deliberate..

Josh Siegler

Understood. Thank you, Tyler. And I’d also like to talk a little bit about your halv [ph] balance. So as the Odessa expansion is nearing its end, you’ve clearly increased this halv balance over time.

How are you thinking about balancing between tapping the halv and raising new capital to fund future growth?.

Tyler Page Chief Executive Officer & Director

Yeah. I’d say that’s a dynamic decision-making process that is pretty intensive between our treasury management team and management. I think, in general, the guidance we have given our investors is that, it is our goal over time to build the Bitcoin balance that we hold.

We, of course, weigh that against how we use capital in the business and what we pay for day-to-day. So as a general guideline, we sell Bitcoin every day for dollars to cover our operational expenses and that’s kind of a baseline where we start.

Beyond that, then we think about do we sell extra Bitcoin for capital? Do we potentially hedge some of that Bitcoin or try to generate some yield because we’re selling a futures position or an options position against Bitcoin, we hold in treasury? Or theoretically, we tap the -- our ATM to be able to sell equity.

But that has to do with the dynamic between relatively where is the stock price trading to Bitcoin price and how we feel against the overall goal of building the balance over time.

So it’s hard to give a specific formula other than the starting point, which is we want to guide people to understand that we pay for operational expenses with the Bitcoin we produce. Beyond that, we like to retain flexibility..

Josh Siegler

Understood. Thanks for taking my question..

Operator

Thank you. One moment for our next question, please. It comes from the line of Mike Colonnese with HCW..

Mike Colonnese

Hi. Good morning, Tyler and Ed, and thank you for taking the questions this morning.

First for me, can you provide a little more color on the 117 megawatts of new expansion opportunities in 2024 with WindHQ, your JV partner? And why it looks to go the JV route for expansion, especially given the success you’ve had with Odessa?.

Tyler Page Chief Executive Officer & Director

Sure. Thanks, Mike. So I think we’ve benefited from having a diversity in our approach to sites.

WindHQ is a great partner and as I mentioned about the expansions in Bear and Chief sort of the wonderful thing about the arrangement at those sites is that there’s not a take-or-pay deadline where you have to have a site filled by this date or else you start paying for power.

We can make a joint decision when we want to begin to draw power and then plan our capital expenditures around that.

As far as the sites, the 117 megawatts go, we have a framework arrangement with WindHQ to scope out several sites for future joint ventures that operate in principle on the way that the first three do and they have a series of sites that they have scoped out and are working on interconnection and all the various approvals you would need to have ready.

Currently, those are estimated to be ready to build a data center in 2024 and so it’s three sites specifically in Texas. As time goes by….

Mike Colonnese

Okay..

Tyler Page Chief Executive Officer & Director

… again, we’ll make progress on the sort of timelines for thinking about that as time goes by and then we will apply a similar framework to we do -- how we do with Bear and Chief with trying to target how we think about spending the capital for those expansions to line up when it’s ready..

Mike Colonnese

Got it. That’s helpful. Appreciate that.

And if you could just provide some more detail on the ERCOT approval of your grid connection at Alborz, what the time line looks like to complete that connection and operationally really what that entails?.

Tyler Page Chief Executive Officer & Director

Sure. So keep in mind that Alborz is in a regulated area in Texas. So there’s a little bit of complexity to setting up the specific arrangement there. For everyone’s benefit, as a reminder, at Alborz, we draw power directly.

The power is generated in a co-located wind farm, because of the area of Texas it is located in that power from a contractual standpoint gets routed through a local co-op. We have a 50 megawatt PPA there. We have a 40-megawatt data center currently.

And so currently, the data center operates with a targeted uptime of about 75% and that’s because the wind doesn’t always blow, and we’ve sized the data center to be somewhat smaller than the overall size of the wind farm.

With the ERCOT approval for a grid connection, that would allow us to bring that uptime targeted from 75% to high 90%s because we would be using the wind farms power supplemented with -- when there is no wind, what we could draw from the grid.

We do need to go through the rest of the steps beyond just an ERCOT approval, which would involve getting a contract set up with the co-op and so forth that go through the structure that is required in that area of Texas. Overall, it’s hard to predict an exact time line for that.

But I would say, a few months is probably likely to make progress on that, and then, obviously, the first step would be we already have 40 megawatts there. So the day you can flip that on, the uptime on the existing 40 megawatts would go up. Beyond that, as I mentioned, the PPA is actually for 50 megawatts there.

So we would have a 10-megawatt expansion available under the existing PPA. And then, ultimately, there would probably be more regulatory steps to get a full expansion, so it’s a longer time line, but there is a 165-megawatt wind farm there.

So given that we could supplement the wind power with grid power, there’s no reason we would have to downsize the data center, theoretically, assuming we go through all the necessary regulatory approvals..

Mike Colonnese

Great. Thanks, Tyler..

Operator

Thank you. And I will end the Q&A session now and I’ll pass it back to Tyler Page for final remarks..

Tyler Page Chief Executive Officer & Director

Thank you very much for joining our business update call and I appreciate your time. If anyone would like to speak further about Cipher and what we’re doing, please reach out to our Investor Relations team and we look forward to updating you on our progress at our next call. Thank you very much..

Operator

And with that, we thank you all who participated. You may now disconnect..

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