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EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT
EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT 2017 - Q2
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Executives

Steve Zenker – Vice President-IR George Roeth – President and Chief Executive Officer Howard Machek – Senior Vice President-Finance and Chief Accounting Officer J. D. Walker – President, Garden Branded Business Rodolfo Spielmann – President Pet Consumer Products Niko Lahanas – Senior Vice President of Operations and Management Reporting.

Analysts

Bill Chappell – SunTrust Brian Nagel – Oppenheimer Jason Gere – KeyBanc William Reuter – Bank of America Merrill Lynch Jared Meggison – Jefferies Carla Casella – JPMorgan Mayank Prasad – Kayne Anderson Capital Advisors.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Central Garden & Pet Second Quarter Fiscal Year 2017 financial results conference call. My name is Jesse and I will be your conference operator for today. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded.

It would now like to turn the call over to Steve Zenker, Vice President of Investor Relations and Communications. Please go ahead..

Steve Zenker

Thank you, Jesse. Good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining us. With me on the call today are George Roeth, Central's President and Chief Executive Officer, Howard Machek, SVP Finance and Chief Accounting Officer. J.D.

Walker, President, Garden Branded Business, Rodolfo Spielmann, President Pet Consumer Products and Niko Lahanas, SVP Finance Operations and Management Reporting. Our press release providing results for our second quarter ended March 25, 2017 is available on our website at www.central.com.

And contains GAAP to non-GAAP reconciliation for the non-GAAP measures discussed on this call. Before, I the turn the call over to George, I would like to remind you that statements made during this conference call, which are not historical facts.

Including adjusted EPS guidance for 2017, expectations for new product introductions, future acquisitions and improved revenue and profitability are forward-looking statements subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those implied by forward-looking statements.

These risks and others are described in Central's Securities and Exchange Commission filings, including in our annual report on Form 10-K filed on December 2, 2016. Central undertakes no obligation to publicly update these forward-looking statements to reflect new information, subsequent events or otherwise.

Now I will turn the call over to our CEO George Roeth.

George?.

George Roeth

Thank you, Steve. Good afternoon, everybody. Let me start by saying we are pleased with how our second quarter played out and the progress we are making on the business.

During the quarter we continued to grow faster than our category, gaining market share in the majority of the businesses in which we compete driven in large part by distribution gains accelerated new product introductions and our continued ability to be faster, more flexible and more responsive to our customers' need, including how we can drive the private level business.

For the entire Company, we grew sales by 5% the second quarter. Organic sales were up 2% despite seeing a decline in the product pricing for our wild bird feed due to raw material costs as well as some timing offsets for the first quarter. Year-to-date our organic sales growth is up 4% compared to the same period last year.

In our Pet business, sales grew 8% during the quarter, with much of net growth coming from the Segrest acquisition. Pet organic growth were up just over 1% during the period and, while positive, is not representative from a trend perspective.

As we foreshadowed on our last call, comparisons versus a year ago benefited our first quarter but disadvantaged our second quarter in part due to the timing of orders around certain retailer promotions. Our POS data for the pet channel that are publicly reported to Nielsen for the last 13 weeks ending March 25 is strong.

Central consumer takeaway is plus 3% well above the category averages. In the aquatics, waste management and small animal categories, we are doing particularly well, aided by increased distribution and new product activity.

Keep in mind this is just for the Nielsen universe, which does not include independent customer as well as some of the club channels and e-commerce. The latter two are growing faster than the channels represented by the Nielsen numbers and our estimates suggests we are growing consumption at least in line with the categories in those channels.

In our Garden business, the quarter started out strong as favorable weather resulted in strong consumer takeaway early in the quarter versus a year ago, proving once again that you should never challenge a favorable weather, the early momentum dropped off in March.

As the weather turned unfavorable and the industry was comping a very strong March from a POS perspective a year ago. However, all in all we believe our 2% growth in Garden over the entire quarter all organic was a terrific performance vis-a-vis the industry, and our share estimates support that thesis.

For Q3, April started off strong versus the challenging month for POS a year ago. Comps however start to get more difficult in May, and net-net, it's much too early to declare victory this Garden season. However, we are encouraged by the results so far.

On the expense side of the equation, we continue to make progress toward our goal of achieving cost savings at 1% to 2% per year. For example, this year, we successfully executed in sourcing some of our Garden Control offerings, which allowed us to better utilize existing production assets.

We have also significantly improved our DMC test bedding operations by automating part of our bed compression process, driving lean concepts and implementing SAP. As we look further down the P&L, you can see that our overall net income was impacted by other expenses, by roughly one million versus year ago.

This spending was the result of some strategic initiatives we are pursuing to deploy our excess capital, an effort to enhance our future growth rates and shareholder return.

Specifically, in addition to making direct acquisitions like the ones we have made over the past few years, we have also sought opportunities to partner with other companies in order to more fully leverage the strengths and capabilities we have to bring to the table while putting capital to use.

This fiscal year, we have entered into two strategic joint ventures and our broad categories of interest in Pet and Garden.

For competitive reasons, we won't be disclosing specifics about these businesses at this time other than to say that in one case we have invested in an early-stage high-growth company and the other is a partial state and mature company where we see real near-term value at the price we pay with the added potential of upside over time.

It's also important to note that we fully expect in the aggregate to turn well north of weighted average cost of capital across these investments. In terms of guidance for 2017, we are raising our adjusted EPS projection to $1.37 or higher, acknowledging the strong first half we have achieved.

Sales trends in the second half are expected to remain strong. However, some non-operating factors are expected to negatively impact net income in the second half of the year. Specifically, our tax rate and corporate expenses for the second half are expected to be above prior year but latter due to some timing differences versus year ago.

In addition, the two joint ventures I referred to previously are in aggregate expected to have a negative impact on the second half earnings before becoming accretive next year. None of these figures, include any impact on the recent acquisition of K&H.

On the strategic front, we are continuing to make significant headway on all pillars of our strategy. First, accelerating the growth momentum of our portfolio. For example, we are driving above average company sales growth on both the recent DMC and Segrest businesses.

In addition, Central has acquired K&H Pet Products, a leading manufacturer of premium dog and cat bedding and pet supplies. This is an innovative, growing, profitable business with product capabilities and management are terrific fit for the Central family of product and will benefit both companies.

Overall, we continue to have an active pipeline of acquisition targets and are encouraged by our progress in this area. Second, build strong customer relationships. Recognition by Lowe's who awarded Central the Lawn & Garden vendor of the year is one such example where we are building partnerships that make a difference.

Third, increasing innovation output and success rates. New products have absolutely helped drive recent share gains. For example, in the Garden segment, we have extended our successful introduction last year of our Quick Kill products under the AMDRO brand.

We increased our core store program by two thirds and our new home perimeter and wood insects products under the Quick Kill label. In addition, on the Pet side business, evidence of our prudent innovations was demonstrated when we won four different innovation awards at Global Pet Expo.

One such award winner was our KTWD [ph] run-about ball for hamsters that was a hit with our retail firms. Finally, driving cost savings and productivity improvements to fuel growth. We were seeing the impact of these efforts in both the growth and operating margin expansion while also finding increases in growth investment.

Overall, we remain committed to our strategic direction and are optimistic about the fiscal year. Now I'll turn it over to Howard to go over the financials in more detail..

Howard Machek

Thank you George, good afternoon everyone. Earlier today we issued a press release with our second quarter financial results. I'd like to give you some color on the results and then we'll open it up for questions.

There were no extraordinary items during either the current quarter or the prior year quarter, so all the quarterly numbers being discussed will be on a GAAP basis with the exception of the organic sales figures. Earnings for the quarter of $0.67 per diluted share were up 3% from $0.65 over the same period a year ago.

As George touched on earlier, consolidated sales for the quarter inclusive of our Segrest acquisition rose 5% versus the prior year to $579 million, aided by the acquisition as well as organic growth in both our Pet and Garden businesses. Our quarterly organic growth was 2%. Our year-to-date organic growth was 4%.

Consolidated gross profit rose $14 million and our gross margin increased 90 basis points to 32.2%, due in part to favorable mix including the Segrest acquisition as well as increased efficiencies due to higher planned throughput.

SG&A expense for the quarter increased 9% or $10 million versus a year ago and, as a percent of sales, rose to 21%, increasing 70 basis points. The increase was primarily related to the inclusion of Segrest and secondarily to an increase in demand-building activities and costs associated with consolidating and optimizing certain facilities.

Operating income for the quarter increased to $64 million compared to $59 million a year ago, principally due to the inclusion of Segrest. Operating margin of 11.2% was up 20 basis points as the increase in gross margin was only partially offset by the higher SG&A expenses incurred to drive current and future organic growth.

Turning now to the Pet segment. Pet segment sales for the quarter increased 8% or $23 million to $298 million. The Company’s latest acquisition, Segrest, made up the bulk of the gain, with strength in the dog & cat and animal health businesses driving an organic sales increase of 1%.

The timing differences, which benefited our first quarter this year negatively impacted our second quarter sales. The timing of promotions and order patterns at some of our major customers can result in differences when comparing periods to the prior year.

We believe our year-to-date Pet organic growth rate of 4%, which is well above average in most categories, is more indicative of our current approximate growth rate. Pet segment operating income increased $2 million or 7% compared to the prior year.

The pet operating margin decreased 20 basis points to 11.6% impacted by the Segrest acquisition as well as investments made to cultivate sustainable growth in the years ahead. These investments include efforts to increase capacity and optimize our distribution capabilities. Moving to Garden.

For the quarter, Garden segment sales increased 2% or $6 million to $272 million. Higher control in fertilizer revenues and increased sales of other manufacturers' products drove the sales increase. Garden's operating income improved to $46 million from $44 million in the second quarter of last year and operating margin was 16.9%, up 20 basis points.

The improvement in both operating profit and margin were due in part to additional volume which, leveraged our fixed operating cost and helped offset higher marketing costs and other demand creating expenditures intended to drive future sales growth. Moving back to our consolidated results.

In the second quarter, other expense rose to $1 million from $100,000 reflecting investments to drive future growth. As George referenced earlier, we have made recent investments in two different joint ventures. These are reported in the other income line of our income statement.

One is a startup and one is seasonal in nature as results on this line will tend to be more volatile quarter-to-quarter going forward. Net interest expense was flat at $7 million. Our net income for the quarter was $35 million and diluted earnings per share was $0.67 compared to $33 million or $0.65 in the second quarter of 2016.

Turning to our balance sheet and cash flow statements. For the quarter, cash flow used by operations increased approximately $32 million from the second quarter a year ago, due primarily to increases in working capital accounts to support growth. CapEx was $14 million versus $8 million in the second quarter of 2016.

The increase was predominantly driven by investments in expanding and consolidating our facilities. Depreciation and amortization for the quarter was $20 million, up from $18 million a year ago. The primary driver of the increase was the new businesses we’ve acquired. Our total debt decreased to $496 million from $497 million a year earlier.

We made an acquisition of $60 million just a few months ago. Again, our debt level is still down $1 million year-over-year. And our leverage ratio is 2.5 compared to 3.1 a year ago. We also had $239 million of availability on our credit line as of the end of the quarter.

During the quarter, we did not repurchase any of our outstanding stock and approximately $35 million remains available under the board approved stock repurchase program. Now I'll turn it back to George..

George Roeth

Thank you, Howard. So to summarize, we had a strong first half to the fiscal year. We are driving share and consumption gains. We are successfully securing and integrating acquisitions and we are on track executing our strategic initiatives.

Having said all that, we still have more than half of the Garden season ahead of us and faith in all these competitive marketplace. As always, we remain on strategy focused on executing with excellence and staying nimble. So with that said, operator, please open the lines for questions..

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question is coming from the line of Bill Chappell with SunTrust. Please proceed with you question..

Bill Chappell

Thank and good afternoon..

George Roeth

Hi Bill..

Bill Chappell

I know this might be an effort in futility, but any chance you could give us any color on just the impact of the recent acquisition and on the joint ventures just how it will affect the P&L over the next two quarters?.

George Roeth

I guess I'll start with that. On the recent acquisition of K&H, if you're speaking to that, we just secured that on Friday. So I don't have a lot to tell you other than we do not expect it to be dilutive this fiscal year, and we'll have more say on that front going forward.

In terms of the two joint ventures, I think what we told you is one of the business is a mature seasonal business. The other is high- growth. There's going to be volatility on that one in the P&L. We expect for the back half of the year that will negatively impact us and be accretive next year. That is all I could tell at this point..

Bill Chappell

And maybe the better than $1.37 doesn't included the dilution from that either?.

George Roeth

The $1.37 includes everything but the K&H. And I will say $1.37 or better..

Bill Chappell

Okay. And then that would fall in the other income line, the joint ventures that is. .

George Roeth

Yes, it would..

Bill Chappell

The second question, just trying to understand the garden fees and certainly your results were a lot better than what we’ve seen from Scott's and Spectrum in terms of just season kind of a poorer weak start to the season.

Is that more due to the product mix? Or did you really have some pretty meaningful market share gains that give you that kind of growth?.

J. D. Walker

Bill it is J. D. Walker, I’ll take that question. So I think the answer is a combination of both. So as I've said before, our portfolio is different than our competitors' and that there are certain categories we compete in which they don't and vice versa. Having said that, as George said on – in the script, I think, we are on excess of our own strategy.

We've introduced new products this year ago, like the Quick Kill that he noted, also the Pennington Smart Seed product that has – driving very strong acceptance in the market place.

I think that it says that our two private label launches that we have with two major retailers have been successful and our low cost producer initiatives that we started previously have started to pay dividends. Along the way, that allowed us to invest in our conversion model, in other words, driving – of our products.

So I think it's a combination of things. We are in some categories in which Scott's and Spectrum don't play, and at the same time, says that we're perfect on that strategy, and that's translated. Where we do overlap with them, we know that we have taken share. So we've been successful in the marketplace at the same time..

Bill Chappell

Okay great and then last one from me.

You talked about the online channel growing faster for pet and your total but on the kind of pet specialty are you seeing the similar type weakness in the big box stores whereas the smaller stores are holding their own? Or have you seen things really change over the past three or four months?.

Rodolfo Spielmann

Hi Bill this is Rodolfo on, I am going to take that question. So if you see the total Pet category, the key driver for category growth don't change that quickly, don’t change from month to month. This is about how many consumers you have in the country, how many of them own pets, of them by them how attached they are to the pet.

And we are seeing the trend of them coming part of the family that it's not stopping anytime soon. So from this perspective, there's no big change in terms of category trend.

We are seeing in these changes in the channel where we see some deceleration in them which is also being offset in the channels that are not being tracked by Nielsen, that e-commerce and the smaller stores..

Bill Chappell

Okay thanks for the color..

Operator

Thank you, our next question is coming from the line of Brian Nagel with Oppenheimer. Please proceed with you question. .

Brian Nagel

Hi good afternoon..

George Roeth

Hi Brian..

Brian Nagel

Nice quarter congratulations..

George Roeth

Thanks..

Brian Nagel

So a couple of questions here. Maybe I'll start with a short one.

With regard to the organic Pet sales that were discussed here and then going back to the comments you made in your fiscal Q1, so as you’re looking at it in the third quarter now, should those quarter-to-quarter disruptions be over – do we get back to a normal – I guess what we assume is a normal growth rate?.

George Roeth

I guess I'll take a crack at that and let Rodolfo chime in. We aren't aware of anything that would cause any major anomalies in Q3 sales on Pet. Having said that, you don’t know how Q3 is going to play out in terms of retail and order patterns and changes in promotions. So going into it there is no expectation but things can happen. .

Brian Nagel

And then the second question I had on the Garden side, and this is a bit of a follow-up on one of the prior questions, but you talked about the weakness in March and then the rebound in April and there's been a lot of talk out there about weather disruptions in that category.

So the question is, the rebound you saw in April, was that – I guess is the business performing as you'd expect it to as a weather began to cooperate?.

J. D. Walker

Yes Brian this is JD. It has. It has been a strange year but I'll think I'll say this in most of the call that we have. January and February were very strong from of consumption standpoint. March was difficult, unfavorable weather, and we were comping against a very strong March a year ago, and then we saw that rebound nicely in April.

So I think that when the conditions are right and the controllable causal factors, all shelf displays promotion activity things like that are in place and they have been for us and we've seen the business perform very nicely and it is very robust..

Brian Nagel

Perfect and then the final question I have I guess bigger picture on the Pet side. So just recently, there was a pretty significant merger announced with the physical and online retailer. I assume both the customers of Central, as you think about that consolidation or any further consolidation, how should that impact in any way your business.

Is it positive or negative..

Rodolfo Spielmann

This Rodolfo again, I’ll take that. - we do business with both customers but we're partnering very well with both of them. It's clearly too early to tell what the impact will be that, honestly, we wouldn't take anything significant for Central.

For us we will continue going where the consumer's go, and in our category, I can include some mix between brick and mortar and the e-commerce channel. So our job doesn’t change is about the right product, the growth plans, the policies that make sense for the customer and the consumer channel will be compete.

So no change that we're seeing in the near future. .

Brian Nagel

Got it thank you..

Operator

The next question is coming from the line of Jason Gere with KeyBanc. Please proceed with your question..

Jason Gere

Okay great. Good afternoon.

I guess – I was wondering if you can give us a little bit more color on just some of the distribution gains that you are seeing out there, both on Garden and on the Pet Side and maybe if you could talk a little bit or elaborate a little bit more on the private label opportunity that you guys are pursuing, especially as you're seeing retailers right now are really trying to push a little bit more on the -- their own brand.

And just wondering if you can give a little bit more context in terms of what you are seeing and then maybe what the opportunity still lies ahead? Thanks..

George Roeth

I guess I’ll answer that at a high level first and see if Rodolfo or J.D. you want to chime in with any specifics. [indiscernible] too granular on account base account distribution gain. But I will say on the private label front, our philosophy is that we're the low cost producer when we have access and we do. We're going to pursue private label.

We're good at it. We're profitable in doing that and we have very strong retail partnerships. And in some cases, we act very much like, I would call it, best-in-class CPG marketer as we develop the product, support the client, do the packaging graphics, basically market retailers brands and do it quite successfully. So we like private label.

We're continuing to pursue it and I expect that moving forward. And I think that on consumer tailwinds, with the bifurcation income importance of value, the retailers' needs to provide value to consumer we think we're in a sweet spot where we need to be on that front and we continue to successfully expand the private label business.

And then just in terms of the blocking and tackling, increasing distribution on the branded business is much very important to us and I get one example in the script of our AMDRO Quick Kill we expand the short count, and the items under that. That has been quite successful. And I don’t know if J.D. or Rodolfo would want to give any more color..

J. D. Walker

So it would be difficult to run down the list. We have some new products in each of the categories. Each of our categories I mentioned a couple of today, Pennington Smart Seed a new launch of that, the AMDRO Quick Kill which we talked about, the Ultragreen fertilizers and that was on our last call, we called that out.

So those were all nice accretive new product distribution gains for 2017. One comment that I would add to George’s comments about the private label business. Another reason why the retailers are going there is for differentiation versus other retailers and margin enhancement.

So if they are shifting their strategy, this is an area that we would play with them.

And by the way, our branded products benefit from that as well because it's running through our plans, the favorable variances through the better plant utilization impacts positively on our branded products, and then we tried to use that relationship that we build with the retailer which becomes a much more strategic relationship because you're working on the private label brand together to leverage additional distribution and opportunities for our branded products.

Rodolfo?.

Rodolfo Spielmann

And I will just start from what J.D. was mentioning in terms of the relationship with our partners or retailers. So when we talk about distribution gains, it comes about, we partner with our customers to do what is great for the consumer. And when you see the breadth and depth of our portfolio, we can do that in a very unique way.

So we can drive growth for our customers and that's what we are gaining the solution. .

Jason Gere

Okay great, and then I just have one other question, more of a clarification. I think you were talking about Pet and kind of looking at the balance of the year, and I think you said 4% year-to-date was kind of the organic sales and that seems to be the trend.

I guess does that assume that the other manufacturers' product which has been a little bit weaker on some tougher comparisons, does that kind of smooth out or is there any color that you can provide in terms of that 4%..

George Roeth

No I would just say that it is an aggregate number, we are not going to give more granularity for that but it does include both factors. .

Jason Gere

Okay, thanks guys..

Operator

The next question is coming from the line William Reuter with Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please proceed with your question. .

William Reuter

Good afternoon guys..

George Roeth

Hello. .

William Reuter

Based upon some of the challenges that brick-and-mortar pet retailers are having, we've heard some examples where they've come to their vendors and asked for pricing concessions have you been seeing this much from your brick-and-mortar customers..

George Roeth

We don’t comment in any of the negotiations we have with our brick-and-mortar partner or any partner at all. I can tell you that the business hasn’t changed today versus what it was 5 years ago, 10 years in terms of what customers want and what we can offer..

William Reuter

Secondarily, you guys have continued to be relatively active with M&A looking from smaller acquisitions, I guess can you talk to us a little bit about what your pipeline looks like at this point and I guess if you can remind us where you would take leverage to finance the transaction. .

Howard Machek

Sure, you heard our leverage ratio right now is at 2.5. Sorry, this is Howard. We are comfortable with about the 3 to 3.5 range generally. And for the right acquisition, as we said, we are willing to go above that, but our [indiscernible] would be to pay that down since we got, we want to stay in that 3 to 3.5 range.

In terms of the pipeline we are looking at opportunities across Garden and Pet to leverage our current capability and kind of right into the core I will tell you in both Garden and Pet we have a very active pipeline and that fact for as you look across the pet business I think there is 1,400 manufacturers not more than a handful really more than a $100 million in sales.

So there is a lot of opportunities and sweet spot in which are looking and we feel very good about our prospect to continue to acquire going forward..

William Reuter

Okay, and then just lastly for me. Based upon your guidance, it seems like you guys should do some relatively free cash flow but recently you guys haven’t been completing many share repurchases.

How are you guys viewing share repurchases at this point?.

George Roeth

Right now our capital is focused on operations, where it is increasing our capital spending particularly around cost savings and increasing capacity and M&A. And right that is where our focus is. .

William Reuter

Okay, I will pass it to others. Thank you..

Operator

Thank you, our next question is coming from the line of Jared Meggison with Jefferies. Please go ahead with you question..

Jared Meggison

Good afternoon, just on the joint ventures, are they going to require any additional investments or Capex as we go forward?.

George Roeth

We are not going to get in the specifics of them but the simple answer to that would be it depends on the joint venture and particular arrangement that we have. So I wouldn't say it is prescribed in every case. .

Jared Meggison

Okay then in terms of Capex for the year how should we think about the spend for the core of the business?.

George Roeth

We are still looking I think The range that we said before and I think it was in the $45 million range for the year, that's what we think – we're still on track to that..

Jared Meggison

Okay and then in terms of just inventory at retail, just wondering how you would feel about the health for both Pet and Garden that – given that a lot of headlines are focused trying to work those levels down..

J. D. Walker

Yes this is J.D. so I will speak to Garden first. Before looking at Q2 historically speaking, sell-in outpaces out consumption in Q2 and that reverses in Q3 and then to Q4 where consumption outpaces selling. So we ended Q2 as expected even though March was unfavorable as we've said with some pipeline or some inventory at store level.

As we mentioned earlier, we had a very strong April, feel good about where we are right now. So as we're coming into the heart of the season in May, we feel like we're on balance. Our inventories are in very good shape..

Niko Lahanas

[indiscernible]. But I will say for that for the quarter this is not major. [indiscernible] we do have that – for that in the quarter but again in the big scheme this is not available for us in the quarter..

Jared Meggison

Thanks very much guys appreciated..

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question is coming from the line of Carla Casella with JPMorgan. Please proceed with your question..

Carla Casella

Hi, one housekeeping. I may have missed it. When you said D&A $20 million, was that for the 6 months? Or was that for the second quarter, depreciation and amortization..

Howard Machek

It is $20 million for the six months..

Carla Casella

Okay great and then, I mean – I thought this in Pet and the Lawn & Garden, but can you just talk to inventories by retail by category and then by channel? How are inventories at the retailers? And do you feel like at this point you're matching sell-in to sell through?.

George Roeth

So Carla, that’s more detail than we typically – more guidance than we typically give. But what I would say is – as I have just said earlier, I think we are in a very good position at the end of April. So no real issues, and I don’t think that will have any negative impact on our performance. So I think inventories are just fine..

Carla Casella

Okay, then on the JV’s did you say are those businesses, that you’ve invested in on the manufacturing wholesale side of the business or more like these distributor brand businesses..

George Roeth

I can tell they are both manufacturers and they are in the Pet and Garden category. We don’t get into specific columns but they are nothing at the ordinary..

Carla Casella

Okay, great. And then $60 million in M&A, that was one transaction..

George Roeth

Yes, it was the Segrest acquisition we made in Q1..

Carla Casella

Okay, – makes it the result of Segrest. That is all I have thanks..

Operator

Our next question is coming from the line of Mayank Prasad with Kayne Anderson Capital Advisors. Please proceed with you question..

Mayank Prasad

Hey guys, this is Mayank, thank you for taking calls..

George Roeth

Hi..

Mayank Prasad

I just have a high level question. Could you give a bit of a more color on your online channel, I see that you guys are seeing the volume growth there compared to the big box specialty retail but in terms of a bit color on the margin side, specifically operating margins compared to the specialty big box..

Rodolfo Spielmann

Okay, so this is Rodolfo, [indiscernible] growing obviously at a much faster pace over the market but that is also a case for us, or for probably with our run, importantly and this is not only us but the rest of the industry. Brick and mortars fill the vast majority of the market, and this what the consumer is choosing to buy today.

We are only and we mentioned that we are gaining share in the brick and mortar channels and we are having very high growth in the e-commerce channel. So we feel very comfortable that being where the consumer chooses to buy and in terms of the varied margins, we don’t disclose that on a customer base..

Mayank Prasad

Okay and just one more question, in terms of your independent retail channel, does that include a Pet retail franchisers..

Rodolfo Spielmann

Yes it does..

Mayank Prasad

Okay and given the recent acquisition of PetSmart at Chewy, could you give like bit of a color what going forward what percent of sales will drive from the combined consolidation..

Rodolfo Spielmann

I would not dare to mention before that we do mingle with both customers, we are good partners with both of them and we are expected to be doing that in the future. We are having the conversation with two of them. By the way we do expect to continue to growing with two of them..

Mayank Prasad

That is all I have thank you..

Rodolfo Spielmann

Thanks..

Operator

Thank you. We have reached the end of our question-and-answer session. So I would like to pass the floor back over to Mr. Roeth for any additional concluding comments..

George Roeth

I just want to thank everybody for attending the call today, and have a great day..

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today teleconference. Again we thank you for your participation and you may disconnect your lines at this time..

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