Good day, everyone, and welcome to the Credit Acceptance Corporation Third Quarter 2024 Earnings Call. Today’s call is being recorded. A webcast and transcript of today’s earnings call will be made available on Credit Acceptance’s website. At this time, I’d like to turn the call over to Credit Acceptance’s Chief Financial Officer, Jay Martin..

Thank you. Good morning, and welcome to the Credit Acceptance Corporation third quarter 2024 earnings call.

As you read our news release posted on the Investor Relations section of our website at ir.creditacceptance.com and as you listen to this conference call, please recognize that both contain forward-looking statements within the meaning of federal securities law. These forward-looking statements are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties.

Many of which are beyond our control and which could cause actual results to differ materially from such statements. These risks and uncertainties include those spelled out in the cautionary statement regarding forward-looking information included in the news release.

Consider all forward-looking statements in light of those and other risks and uncertainties. Additionally, I should mention that to comply with the SEC’s Regulation G, please refer to the financial results section of our news release, which provides tables showing how non-GAAP measures reconcile to GAAP measures.

At this time, I will turn the call over to our Chief Executive Officer, Ken Booth, to discuss our third quarter results..

dealers, consumers, team members, investors and the communities we operate in. We do this by providing a valuable product that enables dealers to sell to consumers regardless of their credit history. This allows dealers to make incremental sales for roughly 55% of adults with other than prime credit.

For these adults, it enables them to obtain a vehicle to get to their jobs, take their kids to school, et cetera. It also gives them the opportunity to improve or build their credit. We recognize that it's been a challenging time for our consumers impacted by recent hurricanes.

As we have for many years, we are working with these consumers including suspending some of our collection efforts, to allow these customers to prioritize their safety and most urgent needs. During the quarter, we financed 95,670 contracts for our dealers and consumers.

We collected $1.3 billion overall and paid $71 million in portfolio profit -- portfolio profit express to our dealers. We added 1,038 new dealers for the quarter, and now have our largest number of active dealers ever for a third quarter with 10,678 dealers.

From an initiative perspective, we are committed to improvement through our go-to-market approach, aimed to providing product innovation and support to our dealers faster and more effectively than ever before. This requires teamwork, attention to detail and an iterative process that attempts to make improvement every step of the way.

This is a work in progress, but we are getting better. We are also continued investing in our technology team. We've improved our team's capabilities and are focused on modernizing both our key technology architecture and how our teams perform work with the goal of increasing the speed at which we enhance our product for dealers and consumers.

During the quarter, we received four awards from Fortune USA Today and People Magazine recognizing us as a great place to work. We continue to focus on making our amazing workplace even better.

We support our team members in making a difference to what makes a difference to them in connection with their efforts we contributed to organizations such as 42 Strong, American Foundation for Suicide Prevention, Atlanta Area School District, Children's Hospital of Michigan and Pure Heart Foundation.

Now, Jay Martin and I will take your questions along with Doug Busk, our Chief Treasury Officer, Jay Brinkley, our Senior Vice President and Treasurer and Jeff Soutar, our Vice President and Assistant Treasurer..

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Moshe Orenbuch with TD Cowen..

I appreciate the comment that you're confident that the returns are higher than your hurdle rates, but I guess maybe could you just spend a little more time on that idea? Because they're all based upon estimates and the estimates have been revised down for six quarters, so I guess, I mean, the real question is, how do you know and what is it -- are we going to be having the same conversation 90 days from now? Like, how should we think about that?.

Yes, so our estimates in our third quarter release represent our best estimates of how we believe these loans are going to perform in the future that considers the underperformance we've seen today on, post-pandemic vintages.

To your point about what do we expect to see in the future, I would say our forecasting models perform best during relatively stable economic periods, but as Jay said are less accurate during periods of volatility like we've experienced since the pandemic. Let's say the biggest declines we saw in the quarter related to the ‘21 to ‘22 cohorts.

Tough to say precisely why these have continued to underperform, but we know there are likely multiple contributing factors, including that these loans were originated during a very competitive period, which generally hurts loan performance.

Consumers purchased vehicles at peak valuations, vehicle prices subsequently declined and then the impact of inflation. We understand that others in our industry have experienced similar or worse performance on these cohorts. So we don't believe this trend's unique to Credit Acceptance.

As it relates to the ‘21 to ‘22 business just, we point out that those -- that business is more seasoned. We've collected 81% of what we ultimately expect to collect in the ‘21 business, 61% of what we ultimately expect to collect on the '22 business. Going forward, those cohorts are going to have less of an impact on our financial results.

It's going to have more of an impact on our financials based on how our '23 and '24 loans perform because we wrote more business in those years and those loans are also seasoned. And then, as we get into next year, it would be more weighted to what we write in '25..

I guess I would just maybe tack on to that the idea that, it isn't so much about volatility, it's about different factors affecting what has driven consumer behavior in this cycle versus previous cycles.

And I guess, it just pushes me to this question of, is it an estimation problem or is it actual underwriting problem, have you thought about changing the way you actually underwrite these loans?.

Let's say our forecast, we continue to consider recent performance. So, as we're originating new loans, we've considered the underperformance that we've seen in these '21 and '22 loans. So we've adjusted and lowered our initial estimates on those future loans to consider that. So we believe we are considering the underperformance there.

And as I mentioned before, we don't believe this is a problem unique to Credit Acceptance. We believe we're seeing this across the industry. That's accordingly moving forward..

And then just last one for me. You didn't buy back any stock in the third quarter or in October to date from the filing of the Q, it looks like. So can you just talk a little bit about capital? It looks like loan growth is strong, but decelerated a little.

Can you just talk about that?.

Sure. As we said many times over the years, our first priority is to make sure we have the capital that we need to fund the business. If we feel, we have excess capital then we'll take a look at the stock price and if we think we can buy it for less than intrinsic value we'll return capital to shareholders.

For most of Q4, we had higher outstanding balances on our revolving credit facilities than we customarily do. Now that situation was remedied at the very end of September, when we did a relatively large ABS deal.

So given the fact, we had more revolver usage and the leverage at the end of Q3 is at the high end of the historical range and given uncertainties about collection performance and capital market conditions in light of the election, we took a bit more of a conservative approach.

As you know, we've repurchased a significant number of shares over a long period of time, over 30 million shares since the late 90s. But we don't do it consistently, some periods we buy back a lot, some periods we buy back very little. So I don't think that you can take a look at one quarter and assume that's the basis for a new trend line..

Our next question comes from the line of John Hecht with Jefferies..

Good morning, guys..

John, you may have muted your line. We have a question from the line of John Rowan with Janney Montgomery Scott..

I guess I just want to drill down a little bit into what lower consumer prepayments means. I mean, we've asked on the call before is that related to lower repossession or lower wholesale after repossession.

But I guess drill down a little bit, like what is it? Are you not getting the judgments you need, when you go and you sue someone for a deficiency? Is it just consumers not paying on older debts that are in the tails? Or is it really just -- or has there been just a wholesale change in the number of consumers who are defaulting on loans? So I'm just trying to get a better understanding of what that fairly generic term means..

Yes, it's primarily referring to consumers refinancing their loans and moving on to either traditional forms of financing or purchasing a new car. In periods where there's limited availability of credit to consumers, we tend to see lower levels of prepayments and that's what we're currently seeing now..

But that's driving a lot of forecast revisions. But I mean, look, I've covered the company for a long time. There have been periods in which there's been absolutely no credit availability, right? And to consumers even, I mean even much worse than right now.

How does that compare historically to those periods?.

I would say we're near historical lows there currently.

So we have seen similar low periods but this is one of the lower periods that we've seen and in our forecast uses more of a historical average of what we've seen with prepayments and we've seen that come down, which pushes our cash flows out into the future, which lowers the yield that we'll realize on the loans..

I would just add that forecasting the timing of cash flows is challenging since it's dependent on the competitive environment and no one can really forecast how a competitive environment's going to behave in the future. So it is challenging, I think we take our best track at it but it's tough..

But actually, let me ask you another question.

So if people aren't refinancing their cars, is that --why is that? Is that a function of used car prices that they're sitting on a negative equity position and they don't want to refinance the car and owe some money? Or what is driving that lower level of refinancing activity?.

Yes, I think that certainly could be a factor. And I think just the general availability of credit to the consumer is also a factor. But I think the factors you mentioned are contributing factors..

Our next question comes from John Hecht with Jefferies..

Apologize for the technical issue earlier. I just kind of follow on questions for both of the proceeding questions. I know this cycle's unique, but in historical cycles where your capital was scarce and maybe there was disruption in the environment, those tended to be favorable environments for you.

As an example, thinking about post the great financial crisis, this one continues to be challenged.

I guess the question is, what do you guys think has to happen to clear the market out to the point where it isn't an opportunistic environment for you? Is it simply just work through the ‘22 vintage? Do residual prices need to come down further? Or what other factors might we look out for?.

I think it's, it is primarily continuing to adjust our loan forecast when we're originating new loans to consider the performance we've seen. And that's what we've continued to do.

I mentioned earlier, the ‘22 loans have a less significant impact on our financial statements going forward, our results to be more based on how our '23 and '24 business performs and going into next year how our '25 business performs. But we -- as Ken mentioned, we know that forecasting collection rates are difficult.

So we have a business model designed to produce acceptable returns in aggregate, even if loan performance is worse than forecasted. So we'll continue to take that approach as we move forward..

Our next question comes from the line of Rob Wildhack with Autonomous Research..

Question on the '23 and '24 vintages specifically. The second quarter earnings, I think you mentioned that you expected '23 and '24 to behave similarly to '22. As it stands today though, forecasted collections are 4% and 6% points higher for ‘23 and '24, respectively versus '22.

How should we square that difference? Do you think there's another shoe to drop with respect to '23 and '24? And if so, when do you think that could happen?.

Yes. I think it's difficult to look at just the absolute collection rate, because we've originated different mixes of business during those years.

I think we need to look at our variance to our initial forecast and you'll see that's currently lower on the '23 and '24 loans, and part of that is due to us having lowered our initial estimates on the '23 and '24 loans when we have originated that because we had started to see some underperformance on the '21 to '22 loans we considered that.

And then we're also looking at the trends of what '23 has done so far versus '22 and we know those loans are performing better. So based on those two factors, we believe that the '23 business and the '24 business performed better than the '22 business. But I would also point out especially the '24 business is not very seasoned at this point..

Yes. And I would just add that, we said in prior calls that, we were observing a similar trend in underperformance on the '23 and '24 loans, though that trend was less severe on the '22 loans. So we are seeing a similar pattern, but less severe.

And then to Jay's point, we've adjusted our forecast or forecast on '23 and '24 was more conservative than '21 and '22..

How do the recent hurricanes, how will those impact forecasted collections, if at all?.

The hurricanes impacted mainly Florida and North Carolina. Those two states are about 4.2% and 1.5% of our portfolio. But obviously, the hurricanes did impact the entire state. Overall, there really not that material impact to our portfolio. That said, they've been incredibly impactful for the people in the direct path.

So consistent with our approach for many years, we're working to get those impacted by the hurricanes in ways to help them get back on their feet..

If I could just sneak one more in and ask Ken about something you highlighted earlier, specifically that the '22 vintage would still generate economic profit.

I was wondering if you could give some more context there, like, how much more economic profit does a good vintage like, say, 2019 generate versus 2022?.

I mean, we've got wide variance of the economic profit. Obviously 2019 was buoyed by stimulus payments and it over collected. I don't really want to get into details of our kind of profitability by vintage.

But I guess what I would say is 2019 was a highly profitable vintage and 2022 is a lesser profitable one, but they all produce economic profit, which means they're all profitable vintages..

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Ryan Shelley with Bank of America..

Quick question here. So the active dealer count has come down a few quarters now. Can you just touch on what's driving that? Is that like a function of the softer market? Or being more selective? Just any color there would be great..

I think active dealer counts, it was fairly flat to be honest. It was higher in the first quarter due to seasonality. I would say in terms of the competitive environment for a while it seemed like a lot of people were pulling back. It seems like that subsided somewhat and maybe the competitive environment's returning more to a normal environment.

However, that being said, we've still been able to grow our market share and we've been able to we're on pace for our highest buying meter ever. So it -- I feel good about where we're at in terms of the competitive environment and how we're being able to grow the business..

And then just one more quickly if I could. So you have a bond maturity in March ‘26, but it's callable at par now.

How should investors think about your thought process around addressing that?.

Right, yes. We're watching market conditions there very closely. Two good facts with that bond tranche first we have plenty of time. It doesn't mature until March of 2026, so a year and a half to do something. The other good fact there is relatively small $400 million, so it's small relative to the size of our balance sheet and our liquidity.

So we have plenty of options. We can refinance it in the senior note market. We can refinance it using securitization or we can just draw on our existing liquidity. Rates for a new bond issue would probably be higher than that coupon that's on those notes today. So we're not in a rush to do anything with it.

So we'll continue just to monitor it and do something appropriate before the maturity..

Our next question comes from the line of John Rowan with Janney Montgomery Scott..

Hey guys, just one follow up. The 2022 vintage is now sitting at a 13.2% spread versus an initial of 20.1. Obviously it's a relatively big decline, but how do we think about where the level of economic profit doesn't become justifiable, right? I mean, 13.2% spread if that's a proxy for the internal rate of return to that pool.

I mean, or do we just look at that number to go down to your funding costs or where does that number become uneconomical to you?.

I mean, it depends on which program you're talking about. So, on the purchase program 1% decline in the forecasted collection rate, your tax effect that and you have to account for timing. But that ends up driving a reduction in our return.

The portfolio program is a little bit more complicated to think about, because the shortfall of collections is shared on 80/20 basis with the dealer up to a certain point. The portfolio program insulates us from variations of consumer loan performance, where the purchase program doesn't. So the purchase program is obviously a lot more sensitive.

Our profitability on the purchase program is more sensitive to declines and forecasted collection rates that is the portfolio program..

With no further questions in queue, I would like to turn the conference back over to Mr. Martin for any additional or closing remarks..

We would like to thank everyone for their support and for joining us on the conference call today. If you have any additional follow-up questions, please direct them to our Investor Relations mailbox at ircreditacceptance.com. We look forward to talking to you again next quarter. Thank you..

Once again, this does conclude today's conference. We thank you for your participation..