Good morning, and welcome to the Aquestive Therapeutics Second Quarter 2024 Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this call will be recorded. I would now like to introduce your host for today's conference call, Bennett Watson of ICR Westwicke Investor Relations. You may begin..

Thank you, operator. Good morning, and welcome to today's call. On today's call, I am joined by Dan Barber, Chief Executive Officer; and Ernie Toth, Chief Financial Officer, who are going to provide an overview of recent business developments and performance for the second quarter of 2024, followed by a Q&A session.

During the Q&A session, the team will be joined by Dr. Carl Kraus, Chief Medical Officer; Dr. Stephen Wargacki, Chief Science Officer; and Sherry Korczynski, Senior Vice President of Sales and Marketing. As a reminder, the company's remarks today correspond with the earnings release that was issued after market close yesterday.

In addition, a recording of today's call will be made available on Aquestive’s website within the Investors section shortly following the conclusion of this call. To remind you, the Aquestive team will be discussing some non-GAAP financial measures this morning as part of its review of second quarter 2024 results.

A description of these measures along with a reconciliation to GAAP can be found in the earnings release issued yesterday, which is posted on the Investors section of Aquestive's website. During the call, the company will be making forward-looking statements.

We remind you of the company's safe harbor language as outlined in yesterday's earnings release as well as the risks and uncertainties affecting the company as described in the Risk Factors section and in other sections included in the company's quarterly report on Form 10-Q filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission on August 6, 2024.

As with any pharmaceutical company with product candidates under development and products being commercialized, there are significant risks and uncertainties with respect to the company's business and the development, regulatory approval and commercialization of its product and other matters related to operations.

Given these uncertainties, you should not place undue reliance on these forward-looking statements, which speak only as of the date made. Actual results may differ materially from these statements.

All forward-looking statements attributable to Aquestive or any person acting on its behalf are expressly qualified in their entirety by this cautionary statement and the cautionary statements contained in the earnings release issued yesterday.

The company assumes no obligation to update its forward-looking statements after the date of this conference call, whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise, except as required under applicable law. With that, I will now turn the line over to Dan..

Thank you, Bennett. On the heels of our successful equity raise in the first quarter, we had a very eventful second quarter.

We progressed our Anaphylm epinephrine Sublingual Film program, gained FDA approval of Libervant diazepam Buccal Film to the 2-to 5-year-old age group, streamlined our base business to focus on growth and continued to expand our Libervant launch efforts for epilepsy patients aged between 2 and 5 years.

As usual with Aquestive, this was an action-packed 90 days. Starting with Anaphylm, our momentum continues to build. When I look at the competitive landscape for Anaphylm, I remain more optimistic than ever with the potential to be the first and only oral epinephrine product for the treatment of severe allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis.

We believe Anaphylm easily fits within the patient's daily life due to its highly differentiated product attributes. On past earnings calls, I have focused on some of these important attributes such as ease of carrying and ease of use. Today, let me expand on an additional area of differentiation.

Let's talk about the durability of rescue products in the real world. You see approved epinephrine medical devices such as auto-injectors come in liquid form and are largely made up of water. Products composed largely of water are subject to degradation in real-world conditions like high temperatures.

That is one of the main reasons that EpiPens have such strict storage instructions as they may no longer be effective if they are left on a soccer field in summer heat for an extended period of time. We estimate that 98% of the EpiPen formulation is water. Now think about Anaphylm. Only 2% of the Anaphylm product is composed of water.

As we have seen with our other products over the last two decades, oral films are different. Anaphylm's low water content means it has the potential to remain stable even after long durations of heat exposure. It means Anaphylm has the potential to still work in freezing temperatures.

It means Anaphylm has the potential to work in a broad spectrum of real-world conditions, which we do not believe can be matched by any other existing or pipeline product in this category. Now turning to our development progress. We have successfully completed two of the three supportive studies necessary for engaging the FDA in a pre-NDA meeting.

These are our temperature/pH study and self-administration study. In both cases, as we have already shared publicly, the top line data was positive. The third study, our oral allergen challenge study, is currently in the clinic.

We are advancing our enrollment of the patients needed for the study and expect completion of the study late in the third quarter or early in the fourth quarter of this year. We continue to anticipate holding a pre-NDA meeting in the fourth quarter and starting our pediatric study immediately afterwards.

Once the pediatric study has completed, we will file our NDA. At this time, we expect to begin our NDA submission in December and complete the submission in the first quarter of 2025. Based on FDA approval, our timing for a full launch at the end of 2025 or in the first quarter of 2026 remains unchanged.

Our commercial launch activities remain on track. We now have in place very experienced leadership over both our commercial and medical affairs efforts for Anaphylm. The team is focused on increasing awareness among physicians, payers, and the advocacy community.

Across this entire stakeholder universe, we are hearing that Anaphylm is the answer to address the significant unmet needs of healthcare providers, patients, and their caregivers. Even though other alternative medical devices may be on the horizon, there is nothing like Anaphylm, no needle, no device, oral administration.

Anaphylm is easy to carry and keep everywhere you go, whether you are headed to the beach or the soccer field. There's no need for a carrying case. Anaphylm fits on the back of your phone or easily in a wallet and is durable enough to withstand the real-life activities of patients, all while potentially improving the carry rate for patients.

Our data suggests Anaphylm is not impacted by comorbid allergic diseases such as congestion, atopic dermatitis, and asthma. Anaphylm remains highly differentiated and poised to positively disrupt rescue treatment for severe allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis.

As we get closer to filing and launch, we have had multiple inbound inquiries from companies interested in helping us distribute Anaphylm. Our goal is to maximize the distribution of Anaphylm to all patients immediately if approved by the FDA.

Over the next year, we will continue to examine if our commercial efforts can be augmented by utilizing the sales and distribution platforms of other companies. Speaking of commercialization, let's turn to Libervant. We are now focused on expanding our Libervant launch in the 2-to 5-year-old age group.

Over the last few months, we have received significant feedback on the value and benefits Libervant offers to patients and their caregivers. This feedback includes outreach for major children's institutions across the country who are proactively seeking information on Libervant.

We expect to have national retail distribution capabilities in place by October 1, while continuously improving our commercial and Medicaid coverage through the fourth quarter. We will expand to a national sales team of 10 representatives in late Q3.

We believe expanding our sales team for Libervant for the 2-to 5-year-old age group will result in minimal single-digit millions in cash burn in 2025 and will generate top-line revenue in 2025 to be somewhere in the neighborhood of $5 million.

While that may seem modest in the short term, there is significant benefit to the company as we prepare for our Anaphylm launch in 2026 if approved, and a full Libervant launch in 2027 on the expiration of a competitor's orphan drug exclusivity.

We continue to see the long-term potential for Libervant as a brand with over $100 million in peak annual net sales, and we look forward to our sales expansion in the 2-to 5-year-old age group in the weeks to come. Now let's turn to our Adrenaverse epinephrine prodrug platform.

As promised, we are preparing to share more with the investor community on the future pipeline potential of Adrenaverse. As you may recall, Anaphylm was born out of our Adrenaverse platform technology. We believe there are additional major products that will come from this platform.

In the next few months, we will hold an Investor Day to outline how Anaphylm has helped propel our scientific thinking, the science behind our Adrenaverse platform, our unique intellectual property position, and the potential products that could arise from the work we have done. This is an exciting part of our business.

Finally, on our base business, we have completed our strategic review of our existing collaborations and eliminated our unprofitable relationships. This includes no longer focusing on China as well as terminating our U.S.-based partnership for the distribution of Exservan riluzole Oral Film. In 2023, Aquestive's revenue from Exservan was negligible.

Ernie will provide more details on revenue in a moment.

Eliminating these distractions will allow the executives responsible for our base business to focus on products such as Suboxone with Indivior, [indiscernible] with Zambon, , SYMPAZAN with Assertio and KYNMOBI with Sunovion and [indiscernible] while also preparing for higher volumes of Libervant and the launch of Anaphylm, if approved.

In conclusion, we continue to be a company with incredible growth potential. Our lead pipeline program, Anaphylm for severe allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis is nearing the end of its development cycle, and we believe it is only months away from filing.

Our commercial product, Libervant, affords us the opportunity to begin commercialization in a low-risk, low-cost environment while still retaining significant long-term potential.

Our Adrenaverse platform gives us a unique intellectual property position that can generate meaningful programs for years to come, and our base business continues to be a meaningful part of our story. With that, I will turn the call over to Ernie..

Total revenues of approximately $57 million to $60 million from prior revenue guidance of $48 million to $51 million, and non-GAAP adjusted EBITDA loss of approximately $20 million to $23 million from prior guidance of $22 million to $26 million.

Our guidance for 2024 includes conclusion of the supportive studies engaging the FDA in a pre-NDA meeting commencing a pediatric study, filing the NDA and pre-commercial activities for Anaphylm in addition to expanding the commercial launch of Libervant for patients ages between two and five.

With that, I will now turn the line back to the operator to open the line for questions..

Thank you [Operator Instructions] And our first question is coming from the line of Roanna Ruiz with Leerink Partners..

So two questions for me. First one, I was curious about the upcoming launch preparations for Anaphylm.

Could you talk a bit about your overall plan to target key physicians and hospital accounts and how might you pursue possibly unbranded marketing and engaging with advocacy groups alongside that?.

Good morning, Roanna, nice to hear your voice. So I've been very fortunate today on this call that as we've invested in our company, I have a phenomenal leader of Commercial with me named, Sherry Korczynski who actually has a deep background in the epinephrine space.

So I'm going to hand it over to Sherry to walk you through the awareness activity we're doing right now and some of her thoughts on our Anaphylm launch..

first, obviously, awareness of the data and the functional benefits of Anaphylm; secondly, believability in Anaphylm that it works as at least as well as the EpiPen based on the data we have; and third, we want to ensure there is confidence to prescribe Anaphylm when approved.

So to achieve this and to answer your question a little bit more detailed, we've put significant effort into every key areas, as you would expect at this time in preparation for launch. The first is around medical education and KOL interactions. So we're out of the allergy conferences, we are consistently meeting with the top four advocacy groups.

We have engaged to start CME and non-CME programs, leverage through channels the doctors' access for information. Secondly, we're doing all of our block and tackling marketing activities to prepare Anaphylm for launch day.

This is market research with the high prescribers, our brand building work such as positioning, advertising concepts, key messaging and perhaps most importantly, we're having conversations, have started with key payer decision-makers so that at or shortly after PDUFA, we ensure that patients have affordable access to Anaphylm..

Got it. That's super helpful. And then second one for me.

Could you remind us from the recent temperature/pH and self-administration studies, how the PD data tracked with the PK data when you looked at the data in these studies? And do you plan to disclose the exact specifics coming up in the fall?.

Sure. So, Roanna, I'm going to hand it over to Dr. Kraus in a second here, just a technical note, I'll call it, in our supplementary materials online, we actually did include the PD data for our temperature/pH study, but I'll let Dr. Kraus give you his view on the results..

Yes, happy to. Thanks for the question. The pharmacodynamic data, as we've seen in the past, does reflect the pharmacokinetic data in our data set historically, and we see the same kind of tracking both in the temperature/pH study as well as in the self-administration study. So I think, overall, there is consistency across our data set..

And our next question is coming from David Amsellem with Piper Sandler..

Just a couple for me. So first, can you talk more specifically about the design of the pediatric study? And I believe, so that's something you're going to be discussing with the FDA in your pre-NDA meeting, if I'm not mistaken.

So can you elaborate on the discussion points? And what, if anything, needs to be, I guess, ironed out with the agency as it relates to the pediatric study? So that's number one.

Number two, on Libervant, can you talk more about your long-term strategy for the asset? Is the idea here to ultimately out-license it or are you contemplating keeping it? I just want to get your latest and greatest on how you're thinking about the role of that asset in the business..

Sure. David. So on the pediatric study, I know Dr. Kraus and his team have spent a lot of time on this, so I'll let you get his view on your question..

Yes, thanks for the question. On the pediatric study, fortunately, the trial design is relatively straightforward. The intention of the study would be to determine whether the pharmacokinetic profile is able to mirror what we're seeing in adults.

So I don't expect that to be a complicated design and one which we, of course, will need to secure alignment with the agency..

And David, just to add to Dr. Kraus' view, just two reminders. One, again, in our supplementary materials, we have the design for people to see. And two, we have shared that with the FDA before. So this is an ongoing discussion that Carl and his team are having.

On your second question on Libervant, I'm really glad you asked that question because with all of the focus we have on Anaphylm in our company and outside of our company, sometimes Libervant gets overshadowed but Libervant is a, in my view, a fantastic product for patients.

The differentiation we offer in this space, the fact that it's the only oral product available to the 2-to 5-year-old patient group is, in my mind, truly disruptive in that space. And we think as we get to 2027 and are able to launch across all the age groups that, that will continue to unfold.

So our mandate as a company is to make sure one, patients have the product; and two, that we maximize our upside and our position in the product as of today. That means we are putting together and launching a small -- or excuse me, expanding a small sales team.

Like any of our products over time, it could remain with us for 10 years or it could end up being distributed by another company in the years to come. I think that remains to be seen..

Okay. That's helpful. If I may just sneak in a follow-up question on Libervant. So as you get to '27 with the with the ODE situation in the rearview mirror.

I guess the question is, if you were to keep it, what kind of commercial infrastructure would you put behind it more broadly than what you're doing now, how many reps, et cetera, et cetera?.

Yes, yes. Well, Libervant is a much narrower call point compared to Anaphylm, right? So you're talking about epileptologists who are, by far, the majority prescribers in that space, and our plans that we originally had when we thought we were launching Libervant years ago remain evergreen.

So the rep size would be limited, and we do not see that as a major lift as we get to 2027. I'm just looking at Sherry.

Sherry, is there anything you would want to add to that?.

Well, this is really exciting as Dan mentioned. I mean this is a game changer for patients and caregivers. We are really excited as we have been over the last couple of months.

The outreach directly to us has been significant from patients, children's hospitals, various institutions with a strong desire to have Libervant in their armamentarium, if you will. So we are, as Dan mentioned, expanding our launch to have in a very targeted way as we continue to ensure that the patients ages two to five have access to Libervant..

And our next question is coming from the line of François Brisebois..

Congrats on the progress. I was just wondering, in terms of the oral allergy test and that data coming now, you talked about completion.

But is completion, is that a guidance on timing of the data? And just on that, can you remind us kind of the design of that trial and what to be expected?.

Yes. I'll let Dr. Kraus walk you through that..

Yes. No, thanks for the question. The design of the study is meant to characterize whether or not changes in the physiology of the oral cavity have an influence on the pharmacokinetics of Anaphylm. So the way that the study is designed is, we take individuals who have a history of Oral Allergy Syndrome.

We challenge them to make sure that they actually have those kinds of symptoms and signs that they historically state that they have. Once confirmed, then they will be challenged with the fruit that causes the symptoms. They will be provided and dosed with Anaphylm.

The pharmacokinetics will be evaluated and that will be compared to the same situation but without the challenge as well as with the [indiscernible] administration of Adrenalin..

And on timing, Frank, yes, our guidance on timing is that we expect top-line data from that study either at the end of this quarter or early in Q4..

Okay. Great. And then maybe on Anaphylm, we talked about Libervant and the sales force. And you talked about a lot of pre-commercial efforts on Anaphylm but can you help us segment maybe -- you talked about the high prescribers.

But is it -- is this kind of a KOL mindset where it's very concentrated or is this really a broad population? Like what percentage is the high prescribers? And just, I'm just trying to get a feel for how doable this is for a company your size and what goes into the discussion or strategy of looking to a bigger partner.

And just trying to decide a little bit about these prescribers and what kind of salesforce it would require..

Sure. I'll let Sherry take that..

Thanks for the question. I greatly appreciate it. Based on the significant experience I have in this market, this is a well-worn path, right? We know how many reps it would take to reach those high prescribers and we'll start our ACP targeting and sizing, rightsizing salesforce work in early 2025.

I think that when you think about this market, it is spread over multiple specialties. However, the high prescribers are concentrated in allergists and pediatricians. And so we feel very good about the opportunity we have to really penetrate those high-prescribing allergists and pediatricians and that will be our key focus upon launch..

Our next question is coming from line from. Raghuram Selvaraju from H.C. Wainwright.

Firstly, with respect to Anaphylm, I was wondering if you could provide us with some more detail on what you plan to discuss at the upcoming showcase event.

And in particular, if you're going to discuss ways in which you're going to differentiate Anaphylm from neffy (ph), assuming those products are both on the market simultaneously, particularly with respect to the overall marketing message that you expect to utilize.

And also, if you could comment at all, assuming you're comfortable doing so, to what extent do you believe you might be able to utilize a more efficient, smaller commercial footprint to support the commercialization of Anaphylm versus what conceivably would be necessary for neffy (ph)?.

Thanks, Ram. So I will -- we, as the team here, we'll try to make sure we address all of your -- all parts of your question, but if I missed one, please let me know. First, on our upcoming Investor Day, and this may be underappreciated based on how much we've talked about it.

But when we talk about our Adrenaverse epinephrine prodrug platform, Anaphylm actually came out of that work, right? So we will discuss Anaphylm at the Investor event, but I'm going to pass it over to Dr.

Wargacki for a second here, and he can tell you a little bit more about what we're really excited to talk about at that Investor event outside of Anaphylm..

Yes. So with the Adrenaverse platform, we learned a lot of stuff in the genesis of Anaphylm, and what we've done is we've progressed that through now to expand that technology. And we're really excited to come talk to everybody here shortly.

The progression we've done on the nonclinical front and secure our intellectual property as we prepare for our interaction with the agency at the end of the year..

Yes. So the point I'll put in is, make sure you attend. We think it will be worth everyone's time. In terms of the differentiation of Anaphylm versus neffy (ph), I'm going to pass it over to Sherry in a second here. But on that, in particular, just at a macro level, we think -- we believe we are very differentiated from neffy (ph).

So we don't see ourselves in any way as being a product that will have an issue separating ourselves, and I'll let Sherry walk you through some of the highlights from her perspective..

Again, thank you for that question. We've spent a great deal of time conducting market research to understand what our key competitive advantages are in the minds of physicians and patients. And as I mentioned earlier, the unmet needs in this market are well known, well-articulated.

Anaphylm offers such a unique competitive advantage in terms of addressing those needs. The beauty of Anaphylm is the simplicity of Anaphylm. We know that based on our data, it works as quickly and as safely as the gold standard EpiPen. Next, you don't have a needle and there is no device.

Third, it's orally delivered, that is unmatched, and it has been a desire for at least the last two decades based on my experience is that to have an orally delivered product is a game changer in treating the patient with severe allergies and anaphylaxis.

We know from our research, and Dan had mentioned earlier in his comments about our ability to better withstand heat -- withstand exposure, excuse me, full heat, washing machines, et cetera but perhaps most importantly, and if you take nothing else away from this, it is the one and only epinephrine product that can fit into any lifestyle.

And it doesn't require an active carry decision. So it fits and can always be kept in a wallet, a small change purse, in the credit card holder that you put on the back of your phone. So I believe, based on my experiences in this therapeutic area, we will have the best form of epinephrine upon approval by FDA for patients and caregivers alike..

Thanks, Sherry. And Ram, let me -- I think the last part of your question was around, really around sales coverage and distribution, right? How are we thinking about that? And I think you mentioned a more efficient, smaller footprint. As I put in my prepared comments, I think you hit the nail in the head, so to speak.

When I look at where we are right now with $90 million in our -- in the bank as of June 30, and the progression of our programs versus where we were two years ago, I am ecstatic with what we have done. Now the task is making sure that we are able to bring the product to all patients and that we are able to do that efficiently.

We clearly, at this time, don't plan on being a PCP call point-based salesforce. So the efforts that we are focused on, as Sherry walked you through, are very targeted and they're very specific to the high prescribers. As I mentioned in my prepared comments, we do have some inbound interest that we're walking through.

And as we get closer to our launch, we will look at how do we cover the entire market to make sure we maximize patients' ability to get the product..

Great. And then just two very quick additional ones. I was wondering if Ernie could comment on the components driving the updates to 2024 top-line guidance and, in particular, I wanted clarity on two aspects of this.

One is the extent to which the revenue reported in the second quarter was effectively non-cash impacting because of what you disclosed in the press release were effectively agreement terminations and recognition of deferred revenue.

And also, when we look at the updated guidance number, how much of that is being driven by improved expectations for organic growth of underlying revenue streams, like, for example, the royalties that you expect to receive from partners on partnered products?.

Hi, Ram, thank you, good to talk to you. So the guidance for 2024, the revenue is increased because of the deferred revenue recognition due to the termination of the two agreements as we mentioned, back in May.

We went through a strategic review to focus on -- so we're able to focus our time, not only on profitable products but also from a long-term perspective, but also from a time allocation resources of being able to focus both on Anaphylm and on the expanded launch now of Libervant. So the revenue guidance for the year does include those terminations.

As you mentioned, they are non-cash items. We actually received that cash back in the '21-'22 time frame. So that's cash that we had and now it's just a non-cash recognition of that revenue. When we look at our, again, the guidance for the year, we've taken those into account when we look at our demand for Suboxone for the remainder of the year.

We see that increasing from the levels that we've seen in the first half of the year. And then from an EBITDA perspective, we have built in now which was not in our prior guidance was the Libervant launch cost that we had and some additional spending, the timing of spending on the pre-commercial spend for Anaphylm.

So all total, the revised guidance includes the recognition of deferred revenue, timing of Suboxone for the remainder of the year on an EBITDA basis, timing of the Libervant launch cost and also some commercial spend, pre-commercial spend for Anaphylm..

So Ram, the only thing I'd add to what Ernie said is if you back away from the ins and outs that Ernie walked you through, we're right where we wanted to be, right? The investment dollars we have are going to commercial and to the Anaphylm development and we are on track with all of the expectations that we have set over the last two quarters..

Next question is coming from Thomas Flaten Lake Street Securities..

Dan, in the press release, you mentioned that you'll be submitting for the 6-to 12-year-old age bracket for Libervant.

What data do you have or do you need to get to enable that submission to go into FDA?.

Yes. We did that work years ago as, Thomas, you probably remember. So that is strictly a paper exercise at this point..

Okay. Got it. And then for the Investor Day coming up and maybe some of the unveiling around the Adrenaverse opportunity. I'm trying to interpret the press release.

Can I read into that, that you'll be unveiling additional products beyond AQST-108 or is it more of a 108 focused presentation?.

Yes. Our plan is to -- we know we have continued to talk about Adrenaverse and 108 without giving a lot of detail to you, and we appreciate everyone's patience. As Steve mentioned before, intellectual property being in position is very important before you have those days.

So our -- one of the things we'll do, as Steve mentioned, is walk you through the science because I don't think we've given you a fair view on why we're so excited about it. We will walk through the specific indication for 108, which we haven't given you yet.

But in that discussion, we believe you will walk away seeing that while we're announcing 108 in an indication, there are multiple programs that could come after 108..

Great. And then just one question, just a follow-up on something you said, Dan, in response to another question, that you had some inbound interest in Anaphylm.

Is that from a commercial partnering perspective or maybe something broader like an acquisition of the entire product?.

Yes. It's been across the board. So as we get closer, other companies in our space have more of an eye towards where we are and what's happening. We've had inquiries that span the spectrum..

And our next question is coming from the line of Jason Butler with Citizens JMP..

I just want to come back to the Anaphylm pediatric study.

What -- given that you've already had dialogue with FDA about the design of the study, what's the gating factor to starting the study? And I guess, that's a different way, what is it that you need to get from the pre-NDA meeting to -- before you start that study?.

I'll let Carl take that one..

Yes, Jason, thanks for the question. Really, it's making sure that we have alignment with the agency that the adult data set meets [indiscernible], and we agree on using those data to act as the tollgate for starting a pediatric program. So that's really the one of the key critical questions we're going to secure out of the pre-NDA meeting..

And our next question is coming from the line Gary Nachman with Raymond James..

So I know you still have to meet with FDA on Anaphylm in the fourth quarter.

But are you anticipating an AdCom for Anafilm like neffy had? Or do you think with all your conversations with FDA, supportive studies, that wouldn't be necessary? And since neffy (ph) could get approved on October 2, just what do you think the read-through is there for you guys from a regulatory cap?.

Yes. I'll take the -- your second question first, and then I'll hand it over to Carl to talk about the -- his views on the AdCom.

It's always tricky to look at someone else's application and have a read-through to your program, right? So our engagement with the FDA has been very open, transparent from our perspective, consistent, and supportive of what we are looking to accomplish. I don't -- I haven't been in the discussions that the other -- that our competitor has had.

So I think we're all looking to see on October 2, how their product fares and whether if they don't get approval, whether that's related to something that is specific to their product or something that is in the way they've interacted with the FDA? We just, we don't have any insight into that.

In terms of the AdCom, I'll let Carl give you his thoughts..

Look, we believe that the program continues down a path of declining risk, and whether or not the division of one to secure a counsel from the Advisory Committee, that is the decision that they have to make. I can't try and get inside the FDA's head.

But I do believe that no matter what, we continue to go down this path of defining risk and that's hopefully in the position of decreasing risk for an AdCom as well. But of course, I can't speak for the FDA..

Okay. And then just with Libervant, as you're building out that infrastructure a little bit, just talk about how you'll be able to leverage that effort potentially for Anaphylm, where there's going to be some overlap.

And with respect to the inbound interest on Anaphylm, I would imagine that it's more likely to be for the primary care, someone who has a primary care capability, but maybe you could just elaborate on that a little bit, Dan?.

Yes. For whatever reason, Gary, I'll start with your second question again here. So of course, primary care would be an interesting addition to our capabilities for Anaphylm. It's early days in terms of any discussions that we're having.

So my view would be, it will be quarters of time before we have a view on what we will or won't do with someone else on Anaphylm. In terms of Libervant, of course, they're -- Libervant, excuse me, there are some really nice infrastructure pieces that do tie to Anaphylm. I'll let Sherry give you her thoughts on some of those infrastructure overlaps..

Yes. Obviously, it's important, it will start to lay a foundation for all of our commercial activities between salesforce, marketing will give us synergies and commercial operations. So we feel strongly that this is a really nice start for us as we prepare for the launch of Anaphylm as well..

And our next question is coming from the line James Molloy with Alliance Global Partners..

Just a quick question for Ernie, just to clarify as well. So the updated guidance top line does include the $10 million one-timer.

So excluding that for top line and EBITDA, should we just stay with the prior guidance on both those items as a more sort of cash-driven EBITDA and top line?.

Jim. So again, the amount of the deferred revenue that was recognized was noncash. We got that cash two years ago. So that is included in the revised guidance for 2024 that does contribute to EBITDA.

But if your question is about annualizing our results or I don't know if that's exactly what you're asking, there will be some increased expenses as we get into the second half of the year around the Libervant launch activities, some increased commercials, pre-commercial spend for Anaphylm in addition to some other timing issues around revenue and expenses.

So I think backing out the onetime revenue for -- that is included in both revenue and contributes to EBITDA, you could get to another number. That's not something we give..

Understood. It actually ties in with the next question, too.

The R&D and G&A in the current quarter, is that the number that we should expect going forward? Or we just pay any material changes up or down on those?.

Well, again, some of these expenses, we would expect to increase a little bit in the second part of the year, R&D, and annualizing it. Remember that we do have some of these studies that are coming to a conclusion in the second part of the year.

In addition, there is some of the selling expenses that is included in SG&A around the Libervant expanded launch and the pre-commercial spend for Anaphylm would be embedded in those numbers. And all of that is included in my guidance for the -- our guidance for the year..

All right.

And maybe a question for Dan, the topical gel, could you walk us through the Phase II trial design? And one of the things you guys talked about, the Adrenaverse, the $1 billion opportunity, could you walk through what sort of the some of the big pillars of that $1 billion opportunity could be?.

Jim, I want to make sure you attend our Investor Day, so I'm going to give you the teaser that, that is exactly some of the things you'll hear at our Investor Day in the coming months. So we look forward to walking through one away the indication that we're seeing and some of our thoughts on what the Phase II way will look like..

I'll be there with [indiscernible].

Could you walk through the 108 topical gel Phase II trial design?.

That's -- Jim, just -- and maybe I wasn't clear, so my apologies. We're not providing that ahead of the Investor Day. That is one of the things we want to share with everyone in the context of our science program and where we're going and walking through that today would be ahead of -- ahead of all the things we need to share with you..

Understood. My apologies for missing that answer. And then well also, on the R&D Day, when you talk about the number of reps for the Anaphylm self-launch, if you should indeed self-launch. And could you walk through -- again, maybe this will be in the R&D Day as well, the go, no-go on a partner versus self-launch..

Yes. The -- we will, of course, look, Anaphylm is the center theme of our company at this time, right? So we, of course, at the Investor Day, we'll start with any updates we have on Anaphylm, anything that we think is meaningful to share and how it ties to our Adrenaverse technology.

In terms of the salesforce, I think Sherry gave you her thoughts before and her timing on how we go from where we are today to a very specific plan. Just one of the things I think is important that Sherry said is that, this is a well-worn path. She's done it before, she understands it. So I don't think there'll be any surprises there.

In terms of any distribution agreements or alignment with other companies, just to make sure I've clarified that. Where we are today is we've had inbound inquiries. We are just beginning to think about what type of arrangement we may or may not want to have.

I would say it is not imminent nor do we want it to be imminent that something like that were to be put in place. As we go through the next two quarters, those conversations will develop as we'll share this plan, and then we'll know exactly as a company where we want to place our bets, so to speak..

I'm showing no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call back over to Dan Barber for any closing remarks..

Thank you, Olivia. Well, of course, as always, we appreciate your time this morning. As you heard, we are truly excited about the progress the company has made over the last year. We're confident in our Anaphylm development program. We're ready to expand our sales efforts for Libervant in the 2-to 5-year-old space.

And we have meaningful in-house technology to refill our pipeline. This is a great place to be. We hope you had -- we hope you have a great rest of your day, and we look forward to our future interactions..

Ladies and gentlemen, that does our conference for today. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect..