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Hello, and thank you for standing by. My name is Regina, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Telephone and Data Systems, Inc. and U.S. Cellular Fourth Quarter 2024 Operating Results Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question during this time, simply press *1. To withdraw your question, press *1 again. I would now like to turn the conference over to Colleen Thompson, Vice President, Corporate Relations. Please go ahead.

Good morning, and thank you for joining us. We want to make you all aware of the presentation we have prepared to accompany our comments this morning, which you can find on the Investor Relations sections of the Telephone and Data Systems, Inc. and U.S. Cellular websites. With me today in offering prepared comments are from Telephone and Data Systems, Inc., Vicki Villacrez, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer; Walter Carlson, President and Chief Executive Officer; from U.S. Cellular, LT Therivel, President and Chief Executive Officer; Doug Chambers, Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer; and from TDS Telecom, Chris Bauthill, Vice President of Finance and Chief Financial Officer. This call is being simultaneously webcast on the Telephone and Data Systems, Inc. and U.S. Cellular Investor Relations website. Please see the websites for slides referred to on this call, including non-GAAP reconciliations. Telephone and Data Systems, Inc. and U.S. Cellular filed their SEC forms 8-K, including the press releases and our 10-Ks earlier this morning. As shown on slide two, the information set forth in the presentation and discussed during this call contains statements about expected future events and financial results that are forward-looking and subject to risks and uncertainties. Please review the Safe Harbor paragraph in our press releases and the extended version included in our SEC filings.

And with that, I will now turn the call over to Vicki Villacrez. Vicki?

Okay. Thank you, Colleen, and hello, everyone. This morning, we'll take a quick look back at last year and also share with you our 2025 priorities and goals. 2024 was a significant year for the organization, and I'm very pleased with our accomplishments. First, to position the company for long-term success, we look to optimize our portfolio to focus on where we can grow and win. As evidenced by multiple announcements related to this strategic review of alternatives at U.S. Cellular, along with the sale of OneNeck IT Solutions, and several small copper ILECs and cable companies at TDS Telecom. As you will hear today, both of our businesses made significant investments in 2024 to improve their competitive positions and enhance the customer experience. With the 5G mid-band deployment at U.S. Cellular and the fiber program at TDS Telecom, where we have increased our footprint nearly 30% over the past three years. These investments were made with financial discipline as capital expenditures were down 24% for the full year on a consolidated level, contributing to an increase in free cash flow in 2024. Also in 2024, both businesses maintained their rigorous cost reduction programs, resulting in expanded margins and adjusted EBITDA being up 7% for the full year on a consolidated basis. We further strengthened our balance sheet at U.S. Cellular, which paid down over $200 million in debt. We were also free cash flow positive and consistently drove year-over-year improvements in our bank leverage ratios, operating below three times in the second half of the year at both companies. We ended the year unlocking significant value for our shareholders, and I'm pleased with the progress we've made to position us for the future. I now want to introduce Walter Carlson, TDS board chair, who is recently named TDS President and CEO. Walter, it's a pleasure to have you join us this morning.

Thank you, Vicki, and good morning. I'm pleased to be with you today. I joined the TDS management team earlier this month, and I am honored to succeed Ted in this role. I thought it was important to be on this call to share with you our priorities for 2025. We have important priorities this year, as you can see on slide four. Accomplishing these objectives is critical, and our entire team is focused on them to position the enterprise for a very bright future. Our first priority is to close the T-Mobile transaction. You will hear much more from LT on this, but closing this transaction is the first step in the company's transformation. Following the closing of the T-Mobile transaction, we will focus on closing the other announced Spectrum transactions. Our second priority is to make sure the assets remaining at U.S. Cellular are highly successful. Foremost among these are U.S. Cellular's owned towers, and we expect to take steps to further strengthen and solidify that business. Third, we intend for our telecom business to remain focused on its fiber strategy. As you will hear from Chris, we have increased our projected capital spend at telecom to pursue highly desirable fiber opportunities. Our fourth priority is to wisely use the proceeds from the T-Mobile and other transactions to optimize the company's capital structure and to free up capital while striking the right balance between reinvestment in core businesses and shareholder returns. Finally, last but far from least, we will prioritize the culture of TDS. TDS is dedicated to serving its customers, associates, communities, and shareholders. We will continue to do so in 2025 and going forward. We are focused on optimizing the right assets, the right talent, and the right capital structure to best position the enterprise going forward. Now it's time to hear from our business units. LT.

Thank you, Walter. Good morning, everyone. As I reflect on 2024, it was certainly a momentous year at U.S. Cellular. We were able to improve subscriber results and drive strong financials while we also executed a strategic review of the business. We established a series of transactions that unlock significant value for our stakeholders and put the business that remains in a strong position moving forward. The agreement to sell the wireless business to T-Mobile that we entered into in the second quarter, combined with the various Spectrum transactions that we announced in the fourth quarter, should deliver substantial proceeds. As we mentioned when we announced the deal, we anticipate being in a position to return capital to shareholders. Naturally, any decisions around that will be made by the board of directors in due course. The Spectrum transactions reflect sales prices that are in excess of both the appraised value and book value of their respective licenses. That further demonstrates the licenses and the bandwidth they provide are of significant value to other carriers, which in turn will allow those carriers to provide an improved experience to their customers. With regard to the T-Mobile transaction and our two large Spectrum transactions, all three are progressing as expected. We're having ongoing interactions with the regulators to respond to their requests, and importantly, we still believe we're on track for a mid-2025 close for the T-Mobile transaction. This is important because the Spectrum deals that we announced in the fourth quarter are contingent upon the close of that transaction as well as a number of other factors. As a quick reminder, I want to touch on what the remaining business at U.S. Cellular will look like after the close of the announced transactions. Let's start with the tower business. Today, we have about 4,400 owned towers with 2,444 co-locators. With the new MLA that we put in place with T-Mobile, we'll be adding at least another 2,015 incremental co-locations on our towers. That further strengthens that business. We remain bullish on the long-term outlook for our tower business. The long-term capacity to the industry will likely require further densification. One other thing to keep in mind is that we will likely not have a clear line of sight on which additional towers T-Mobile will choose to locate on until up to 30 months after the transaction closes. Therefore, it'll take some time before we know exactly how many towers we have with no co-locators and what we choose to do with these naked towers, retain them, decommission them, sell them, or transfer them to third parties. Also remaining will be our equity method investment interests in various partnerships, and those produce attractive cash flows. For context, there were $169 million of cash distributions from our unconsolidated entities in 2024. Lastly, we'll have our remaining Spectrum portfolio. That represents about 30% of our existing Spectrum portfolio today, of which the vast majority is C-band Spectrum. We believe the attributes of these C-band licenses are attractive, and there's an existing infrastructure ecosystem, so carriers are easily able to put that Spectrum to use. Although there are build-out requirements associated with this band, the first one doesn't apply to these licenses until 2029, so there's plenty of time for us to opportunistically monetize the Spectrum. Turning to our 2024 results, given the industry environment, U.S. Cellular had a very solid year in financial and operating results. We executed on our plan to improve our subscriber trajectory and advance our mid-band deployment while remaining financially disciplined. We delivered on the guidance that we set at the beginning of the year, and we made meaningful year-over-year progress in retail subscriber results. That includes nice growth in fixed wireless, which, as you may have seen earlier this week, surpassed 150,000 customers. I'm especially pleased with the improvements in the year-over-year postpaid handset results in the second half of 2024. Doug's going to touch on that in a few minutes. However, despite those improvements, net retail subscriber adds were still negative. Challenges of the competitive environment coupled with the size and lack of scale of our business still remain, which is why we feel the transaction with T-Mobile is the best path forward for our customers and for the business overall. For the full year, all cash expense categories were down. That's despite increased data usage by customers, which rose 37% year-over-year. As of year-end, we rolled out mid-band to sites which cover close to 50% of our data traffic. Now looking forward to 2025, our operational priorities are not changing. We'll continue to invest in our customers, both through retention activities, which includes the continuation of US Days, and acquisition strategies. As a reminder, US Days are periods where highly attractive promotional offers are made available to our existing customers. We'll also continue to invest in our Built for US brand, which focuses on a subject that matters to customers: healthy and responsible use of technology. Finally, we'll continue rolling out mid-band Spectrum across our footprint, expanding capacity and speed, and enhancing our customers' overall 5G experience. That rollout is working. Last month, U.S. Cellular ranked first in the North Central region according to JD Power's 2025 U.S. Wireless Network Quality Performance Study. Financially, during 2024, we increased both profitability and free cash flow. We strengthened our balance sheet by paying down over $200 million in debt. This is an excellent result given the significant strategic actions that were effected throughout the year. Our focus this year will be to diligently work to close those pending transactions while remaining laser-focused on operating and investing in our business, our customers, and our associates. Speaking of associates, I want to provide a huge thank you to our team for their unrelenting focus on our customers and our business. Now let me turn it over to Doug to talk to the results in a little bit more detail.

Thanks, LT. Good morning. Turning to postpaid subscriber results on slide nine, we ended 2024 on a high note. Postpaid handset gross additions increased year-over-year by 16%, and postpaid handset churn decreased 14 basis points, primarily driven by a decrease in voluntary churn. Although postpaid handset net adds are still negative, we believe the efforts that we are making in caring for our customers, investing in our network, and offering compelling promotions to both new and existing customers are all helping to drive improvements in postpaid handset results. Moving to consolidated financial results starting on slide twelve, for the fourth quarter, service revenues declined 2%, primarily driven by declines in the average retail subscriber base. Loss on equipment for equipment sales less cost of equipment sold increased $13 million in the fourth quarter, primarily driven by increased promotional expenses as we maintained attractive acquisition and retention offers throughout the fourth quarter of 2024, which drove favorable year-over-year retail subscriber results. As a result, adjusted operating income before depreciation and amortization declined 14%, and adjusted EBITDA, which incorporates the earnings from our equity method investments along with interest and dividend income, declined 11%. For the full year, despite a 2% decline in service revenues driven by decreases in average retail subscribers, adjusted OIBDA and adjusted EBITDA both increased 3%, or $27 million and $32 million, respectively. This profitability improvement resulted from the impact of our shutdown of the CDMA network in the first quarter of 2024 and the favorable impacts of our cost optimization initiatives. As it relates to capital expenditures and 5G deployment, we largely completed our 5G coverage build in 2022, and in 2023 and 2024, dedicated a substantial majority of our 5G-related capital expenditures to the deployment of our mid-band network to enhance speed and capacity. In 2025, we expect our 5G investments to continue to be dedicated to mid-band deployment, and we expect total capital expenditures to decline relative to 2024 levels as we progress further into our 5G deployment cycle. Free cash flow in 2024 was $280 million, an $88 million increase over 2023, primarily attributable to the profitability improvement, a decrease in capital expenditures, and an increase in distributions from our equity method investments. As mentioned, the pending transaction related to the sale of our wireless operations and select Spectrum to T-Mobile is subject to regulatory approvals and other closing conditions, and therefore, the close of this transaction is not a certainty. However, as LT mentioned, we still expect to obtain such regulatory approvals and meet such closing conditions in mid-2025 and complete the sale transaction with T-Mobile at that time. Accordingly, we are not issuing financial guidance for U.S. Cellular for 2025. Slides fifteen and sixteen provide perspective on expected cash proceeds from the pending transactions and factors which may impact such proceeds. Of course, the stated transaction price is $4.4 billion, and $100 million of this purchase price is contingent upon U.S. Cellular achieving certain operating and financial targets prior to close. Also, $400 million of the purchase price is related to Spectrum owned by two of our partners whose interest we have agreed to purchase. Transfers of these interests are pending regulatory approval, and the transfers of the underlying licenses to T-Mobile are contingent upon the receipt of such regulatory approval. Upon transaction close, T-Mobile will conduct a debt exchange offer. Unsecured senior notes with a total principal balance of $2.044 billion at December 31, 2024, will be offered to exchange their U.S. Cellular debt for T-Mobile debt. The amount of debt the respective holders elect to exchange will correspondingly reduce transaction proceeds. In addition, U.S. Cellular is expected to repay its term loans, export credit financing agreement, receivable securitization agreement, and revolving line of credit. At December 31, 2024, the cumulative principal amount of this debt that requires repayment upon close was $875 million. As it relates to employee liabilities, U.S. Cellular expects the following cash obligations. First, T-Mobile has agreed to make offers to a significant number of U.S. Cellular employees on close. These employees that are ultimately hired by T-Mobile upon close, U.S. Cellular is obligated to pay these employees accrued wages, bonuses, and other benefits that were earned prior to the close date. Second, U.S. Cellular expects to have severance obligations from employees that are neither employed by T-Mobile nor retained by the remaining U.S. Cellular business. These obligations are expected to include cash obligations of severance, accrued bonus, and other benefits, and may include cash obligations to settle the accelerated vesting of certain stock-based awards. U.S. Cellular also expects to incur cash income tax obligations related to the gain on sale in the T-Mobile transaction in the range of $225 to $325 million. The Spectrum transactions with Verizon and AT&T are contingent upon the close of the sales of the wireless business and select Spectrum to T-Mobile, regulatory approval, and other closing conditions. The Spectrum transaction with AT&T has a similar contingency related to one of U.S. Cellular's designated entities, with $232 million of the Spectrum in this deal subject to U.S. Cellular's purchase of its partner's ownership interest, which, as noted previously, is pending regulatory approval. Further, U.S. Cellular expects to incur cash income tax obligations related to the gain on sale of Spectrum in these transactions with Verizon and AT&T in the range of $325 to $375 million. Lastly, U.S. Cellular expects to incur additional legal, advisory, and investment banking fees in 2025 and 2026 at and through the respective close dates of the T-Mobile and Spectrum transactions. In addition, as discussed by LT, in periods after the close of the T-Mobile transaction, U.S. Cellular expects to incur decommissioning costs related to certain naked towers. U.S. Cellular is still evaluating the targeted capital structure for the remaining U.S. Cellular business, which is also expected to impact cash available at U.S. Cellular after the close of the respective transactions. Again, this is a summary of the significant factors that are expected to impact net proceeds from the pending transactions, along with various dependencies and contingencies. I will now turn the call over to Chris Bauthill. Chris?

Thank you, Doug. Good morning, everyone. I'm happy to be here today to share TDS Telecom's 2024 accomplishments shown on slide nineteen. Over the past year, we've made significant progress executing on a number of initiatives that support our long-term vision and goals. We've advanced our fiber strategies, growing the number of fiber service addresses by 129,000 in 2024, surpassing our goal of 125,000. We now have more than 50% of our addresses served by fiber, and we plan to significantly increase that number, as you'll see in a few slides. Our fiber strategy is working. In 2024, we increased residential revenues by 6% as we saw growth in both broadband connections and average revenue per connection. The growth in broadband connections was driven by investments in our fiber markets. This top-line growth, coupled with continued cost management, drove a 23% increase in adjusted EBITDA year-over-year. Lastly, we spent 2024 planning and engineering for enhanced ACAM, which is a multiyear program with construction starting in 2025. This will bring faster broadband speeds to our customers and further reduce our reliance on copper technology. Turning to slide twenty, throughout 2024, as we delivered new fiber service addresses, the teams were focused on ramping up sales and marketing to drive increased penetration to those newly launched addresses. We made progress in increasing the number of door-to-door sales reps, which has helped improve net adds. Our fourth quarter was the strongest quarter of the year, adding 7,900 residential broadband net adds. On slide twenty-one, you can see we grew total service addresses 6% year-over-year. Shown on the right side of the slide, we are seeing increased take rates for higher broadband speeds, with 81% of residential broadband customers taking 100 meg or higher and 22% taking 1 gig or higher at the end of the quarter. When looking at new customers that we added in the quarter, 52% took speeds of 1 gig or higher. Demand for faster speeds remained strong. Our broadband investments are producing positive results. As shown on slide twenty-two, average residential revenue per connection was up 5% year-over-year, due primarily to price increases. Looking at the chart on the right, we grew residential revenue 6% year-over-year, with expansion markets generating $114 million compared to $75 million last year. On slide twenty-three, I'll touch on the financial highlights. Total operating revenues increased 1% in the fourth quarter and 3% for the full year, driven by price increases and growth in broadband connections, partially offset by declining commercial revenue and declines in residential video and voice connections, which have accelerated over the last year. Cash expenses increased 1% in the quarter while decreasing 4% for the full year. In the fourth quarter, we started to invest more in sales and marketing to improve broadband penetration rates, as previously discussed. As a result, adjusted EBITDA growth moderated in the fourth quarter compared to the full year. We remain very focused on disciplined cost management, which contributed to the full year adjusted EBITDA improvement of 23%. Full-year capital expenditures of $324 million were down as planned, as we focused on driving broadband penetration and pacing our spending commensurate with our financial capacity. Turning to slide twenty-four, I'm very pleased to share with you our new long-term fiber goals. We've updated our goals to reflect our ongoing fiber expansion and EA CAM programs. As a reminder, with the EA CAM program, we will receive approximately $90 million of annual regulatory revenue for fifteen years in exchange for bringing higher speeds to some of the most rural geographies in our footprint. Our latest engineering plans estimate bringing fiber to approximately 300,000 addresses, including those funded by the EA CAM program and those passed along the route. We are now targeting 1.8 million marketable fiber service addresses, a 50% increase from our previous target of 1.2 million. We ended the year at 928,000 fiber service addresses. We are also targeting 80% of total addresses to be served by fiber, up from our previous goal of 60%. We ended 2024 with 52% fiber. Finally, we are expecting to offer speeds of 1 gig or higher to at least 95% of our footprint. Yes, that is 95% of our footprint, up from our previous goal of 80%. We finished 2024 with 74% at gig speeds. We will use a combination of fiber and coax technologies to achieve this goal. On the right side of the slide, you can see the service address mix at year-end and the projected service address mix once these goals are met. We are planning to reduce the addresses served by copper in our footprint to just 5% over time. On the next slide, you can see our 2025 priorities that support our vision of becoming a fiber-centric company. First is continuing our fiber program. As you can see, we are targeting to deliver 150,000 fiber service addresses in 2025. We expect to use our internal construction crews for approximately one-third of fiber service address delivery in 2025. We estimate cost savings as high as 30% from using our internal crews versus external contractors, and there are also intangible benefits related to these associates being part of our culture and living and working in our communities. The teams will also be focused on sales execution. During 2025, we will invest heavily in sales and marketing programs to drive increased penetration in our fiber markets, including staffing up our door-to-door sales team, both internally as well as augmenting with third-party vendors. We expect penetration to continue to grow as we sell into the markets we've previously launched. Also supporting sales, in the fourth quarter, we launched TDS Mobile, our MVNO product in limited markets. During 2025, we intend to fully launch TDS Mobile across our entire footprint. We believe that adding mobile to our product portfolio is complementary to our broadband offering and enables us to offer a full suite of competitive products and services to our customers. Lastly, a top priority for 2025 is to execute on our transformation efforts. We've been transforming into a fiber company in a meaningful way for several years now. We're now also focused on streamlining our operations to enhance elements of our customer experience and further improve our margins and cost structure in the future. On slide twenty-six, we have provided guidance for 2025. We are forecasting total telecom revenues of $1.03 billion to $1.07 billion. This reflects top-line growth where we have made fiber investments, offset by industry-wide pressures in video, voice, and wholesale revenues, along with the full-year impact from divestitures. Additionally, we expect average residential revenue per connection growth to moderate in 2025. Adjusted EBITDA is projected to be between $320 million and $360 million in 2025. Our 2025 priorities, along with the recent divestitures, put pressure on adjusted EBITDA this year. We are investing in ramping up our sales and marketing efforts, as well as fully staffing and scaling our internal construction team. Additionally, we are investing in transformation initiatives to drive future cost savings and efficiencies. In 2025, we plan to deliver 150,000 fiber service addresses, up from what we delivered in 2024, and we expect capital expenditures to be in the range of $375 to $425 million, up from the $324 million in 2024. The increased spend is primarily related to EA CAM, which will bring fiber deeper into our market. One more note on 2025 guidance. The ILEC and cable divestitures completed in 2024 affect year-over-year comparisons. In aggregate, the companies that were divested contributed $16 million in annual revenues. Going forward, we will continue to look for opportunities to optimize our portfolio, especially in copper markets where there is not an economic path to fiber. Before turning over the call, I want to thank the entire TDS Telecom team. Thanks to all your efforts, we ended the year strong with a lot of momentum. We are excited about 2025 and the opportunities ahead. I'll now turn the call back to Walter for closing remarks.

As you just heard from the business units, we have an extraordinarily busy and exciting year ahead of us. I am proud to be part of this talented team. I do want to recognize and thank Ted for his forty years of service to this organization as CEO. As many of you know, Ted will continue on with the enterprise as vice chair. Ted's contributions to the company over the past fifty-one years are remarkable, and I'm very pleased to be working side by side with him through this transformation of TDS. With that, I'll turn it back over to Colleen for Q&A.

Okay. Regina, we are now ready for the first question.

We'll take our first question from the line of Ric Prentiss with Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Hi. Good morning, everybody.

Good morning. Good morning. Good morning.

Hey, Walter. Welcome. Couple of quick ones for you, Walter. Why was now the right time to take on the role and obviously, thanks for those top priorities. But what changes with you at the helm? So why now and what changes? Then I'll have one for USM and TDS.

So why now? I think that the TDS board has been engaged in a succession planning review over a number of years. And as you've heard in this call, we are at a truly transformative time with the sale of the wireless operations and Spectrum to T-Mobile and to the other entities that are buying that Spectrum. So this is a transformative time, and I think the board felt that with this transformation, now was the right time to make a change at the executive level. As I mentioned, Ted's not going away. He's staying on as vice chair, and he will have important roles. So to the second part of the question, what changes? I think that there will be great continuity, Ric, in terms of the mission and the businesses that we will own post these transactions. So we own two, what I believe to be very outstanding businesses: the fiber business and the tower business. And I don't view that so much as a change, but as a course correction as we exit the wireless operation.

Makes sense. Thanks for that. Speaking of towers, LT and Doug, you know, I've pushed for a long time to tower reporting, so we appreciate that. And, also, thanks for that slide detailing the cash costs around the transactions. That's very helpful. But on the tower side, there's a next step that we look at since we've covered the tower space since January of ninety-nine. Straight line adjustment, amortization of prepaid rent, and moving possibly to a REIT style AFFO reporting. Is that something still on the path as you guys move through this transformative time?

Yeah. Good morning, Ric. It is in our plans. It's something that post-close of the T-Mobile transaction, we would plan to provide AFFO reporting. It will become important. We'll have significant straight-line gap adjustments in revenue that we'll need to show those adjustments. And it is our intention to move to AFFO reporting post-T-Mobile close.

Hey, Ric. Let me just chime in as well. You asked about the REIT structure. Right? I mean, there's a variety of different hurdles that you have to cross in order to be able to structure your tower business as a REIT. Right now, from a corporate governance, corporate organization, enterprise organization perspective, we're not in a place to structure ourselves as a REIT. That doesn't mean that can't change in the future. But I just wonder when Doug said that is in our plans, I want to make sure I clarify. Reporting AFFO is organizing ourselves as a REIT is not right now on the road.

Okay. Makes sense. Good to have a road map. And then on TDS Telecom side, obviously, a significant increase in the service addresses target, 50% up from 1.2 to 1.8. Yeah. There's a sense of what is the definition of long term? How many years are we thinking about? What's the pacing of it? And why not 2 million or why not 2.5 million? Why is 1.8 the right number?

Yep. Thanks, Ric, for your questions. We are extremely excited about these new goals. And, really, what these goals represent is two big programs, big fiber build programs at telecom. One being EA CAM, which we said is 300,000 addresses, and reaching our most rural parts of our geographies. The second is our ongoing fiber expansion program. As you recall, we launched fiber services in nearly 100 communities prior to the end of 2023. We're still building out those communities. So, really, what these goals represent is largely completing those two programs, our expansion programs and building out to those 100 communities, as well as the EA CAM programs. And we're going to continue to pace our spending commensurate with our financial capacity and objectives.

Oh, so long term could be the end of the decade or, you know, what are we thinking the long-term path is?

Again, Ric, this is Vicki. I'll jump in here. You know, this is doubling down on our commitment to the community builds we already have in progress. And depending on the pacing of the build, on a per market basis, you know, some of those finish up in two years, some of those finish up in three years, some of these finish up, you know, have a longer build. The larger communities might have larger builds. So it is commensurate with our construction schedules. And also as we see progress going forward and are able to fund with our capacity. So I would say, you know, over the next five years is really a reasonable long-term goal.

Great. And again, Walter, welcome, and look forward to working with you closer.

Same here. Thank you.

Okay. Next question.

Our next question comes from the line of Sebastiano Petti at JPMorgan.

Good morning. Thanks for the question and congratulations, Walter, as well. Just appreciate the color on the TDS. You know, EBITDA for the year will be a little bit burdened by some of the investments that you're making in the sales force to drive penetration as well as some of the difficult comps from some of the divestitures that you didn't have one. But not asking for 2026 guidance and beyond, but should we anticipate that these are now more, you know, ongoing run rate costs within the system trying to drive this increased penetration, or should we see perhaps a recovery for lack of a better term as we extrapolate forward beyond 2025? That's on the TDS side. Then I guess on the C-band, on the USM side, just thinking about C-band or just thinking about your wireless portfolio overall. As maybe for LT or Doug, as you're thinking about, quote, unquote, opportunistically monetizing the remainder of your Spectrum, predominantly C-band, you do have some time before those build-out requirements are needed, but in any way, are you thinking about, you know, the FCC's potential changes to the Spectrum cap coming out of the, you know, out of the FCC and maybe does that factor into your view of potential monetization of the C-band or the timing given that it maybe it opens up the bidding process to additional parties. Just any color you might think about, that would be helpful. Thank you.

Hi, Sebastiano. Thank you for your question. I'll take the first one regarding TDS Telecom guidance for 2025 and kind of outlook beyond that. So first, I want to say that we're very pleased with our growth in 2024. As you saw, it was 23% adjusted EBITDA growth year-over-year, which exceeded even our own internal expectations. I do want to acknowledge that some of that growth in 2024 was due to spending that was deferred from 2024 to 2025. So that is affecting year-over-year comparison. Also, you heard me say that we're investing in a few key areas to support our 2025 priorities. One is sales and marketing to drive penetration. Another is internal construction crews to drive more addresses at the same amount of capital for lower capital costs. And lastly is the transformation efforts. We're investing to drive future margin improvement and expansion as well as improve our customer experience. So all of these put pressure on adjusted EBITDA in the near term, but they're all to drive future growth. And so, yes, we don't give guidance beyond 2025, but all the investments we're making are to drive future growth.

Thanks, Sebastiano. I'll tackle question two. This is LT. So, I mean, certainly, what you talked about with the Spectrum cap could adjust the way potential acquirers think about our Spectrum. But there's an implication of your question that I want to make sure to clarify, which is, hey, did you wait to sell the Spectrum in order to have that Spectrum cap or adjustments to that Spectrum cap come in place, and the answer is no. And it doesn't necessarily change the way we're thinking about monetization at Spectrum. When we reached out to start the Spectrum sale process, we were in discussions with over twenty companies. And most of those companies have absolutely no problem at all with the Spectrum cap. We sold some of our Spectrum to those companies that have no problems with the Spectrum cap. And so that wasn't what drove our decision-making, and it won't be what drives our decision moving forward. What will drive it is do we get good value for our Spectrum? What you saw was the Spectrum that we sold sold for overbook and overmarket. We're pleased with how we did that. We think we're still sitting on very valuable Spectrum. And opportunistic does not mean waiting for the Spectrum cap. Opportunistic means waiting for what we believe to be a fair offer and a good opportunity to sell it. I will briefly talk about the Spectrum cap, which is that I am encouraged by some of the conversations from Chairman Carr and from the rest of the FCC when it comes to how they are thinking about Spectrum, how they're thinking about Spectrum transactions, and how they're thinking about freeing up more Spectrum for use by industry. This is an FCC that appears to understand the importance of investment. And investment in the private sector. Putting money behind Spectrum, putting money behind radios, and putting capital to work to connect people. And so I'm encouraged by the moves. I certainly think they're the right things to do to encourage investment. But, no, that's not driving our decision-making when it comes to monetizing it.

Very helpful. Thank you.

Our next question comes from the line of Sergey Dluzhevskiy with Gamco Investors.

Good morning. Thank you guys for taking the questions. My first question is for Walter. Walter, congratulations again on assuming the CEO position. You talked a little bit about the company's 2025 priorities. Maybe if you could share your medium-term vision for the company, where do you see TDS seven of companies in three to five years?

Sergey, first of all, nice to meet you over the phone. Look forward to meeting you in person. I did want to set out the 2025 priorities very clearly and spend my time in the prepared remarks on that. Those are, in my mind, the predicates to what I believe the three to five year and longer time horizon should be. If we make these steps in 2025, we will be positioned extremely well for longer-term growth in both our towers and our fiber business. And I think that TDS has a history of being opportunistic, looking to grow, looking to leverage its skills and talents of its individuals in its areas of concentration. And we will remain focused on delighting our customers in the field of communications. And I think three to five years, you'll see much more of that.

Great. My second question is for LT. LT, if you could share your initial thoughts on the capital allocation priorities for pro forma USM. I understand that it might be a little bit early for that, but just high-level thoughts and do you see potentially this as a dividend-paying company given the predictable cash flows from the tower business and wireless partnerships. And also how you guys are thinking about CapEx requirements and how aggressive potentially you could be on the new tower builds once the Spectrum transactions grow.

Yeah, Sergey. Appreciate the question. I mean, it's certainly premature to provide any specific guidance. I can give you some high-level thoughts on how I see the company progressing. And let me just kind of give you a little bit of color on why we can't be more specific. You know, a big driver, as Doug mentioned, is we still have a pretty huge swing when it comes to understanding which towers T-Mobile is going to select to be on. If they end up being on towers that have a large number of existing co-locators, well, that means that we have highly profitable towers, but we have a larger number of naked towers since we've got to think through decommissioning and so on. That could have a pretty significant impact on 2025, 2026, even 2027 because they've got 30 months to make that decision. That could have a significant impact on the financials for those years. Conversely, let's say that they end up on mostly towers where we do not have current co-locators. That means our co-location rate will be lower, right, because we'll have more towers with just one co-locator on it. We'll have less naked towers to decommission, and so we'll have less one-time hits in those years. And so that's why we're being, why we can't necessarily be more specific about our approach to capital structure. Now that being said, either way, regardless of which towers or which collection of towers T-Mobile ends up being on, the tower business generates very attractive cash flows. The equity partnerships with to create attractive cash flows. And so we certainly will have available cash at U.S. Cellular. You mentioned new tower builds. I'm not particularly bullish on the build-to-suit business. I don't think that's a great use of capital. However, we're going to be opportunistic. And so if there are carrier customers, those will be our primary customers moving forward, right? If there are carrier customers who want to invest with us to expand their network, it's certainly something we'll be open to. We'll certainly be open to inorganic growth. So if there's opportunities to buy a new tower portfolio, it's something that we'll look at. And so, you know, do I think that we'll be in a position to return capital from the transaction back to shareholders? Absolutely. I do. I want to be really clear. That still requires board vote, board approval. So that's not a decided factor, but, yes, I think that we'll be in a place to send cash from the transaction back. The remaining business will be generating really attractive cash flows. And to me, we'll then have a decision to make if we find great ways to invest those cash flows, whether it's M&A, or whether it's some kind of a new build-to-suit model that has better economics than what the current models prompt. We'll invest there. If not, I could see us being in a position to establish a more regular dividend moving forward. But again, that's a decision for the board at that time, and we're probably a couple of years away from making that decision.

Great. And my last question is for Chris. Obviously, you're planning to pass another 150,000 locations this fiber in 2025, and you're making efforts to improve your sales and marketing activities, making those investments. Considering where you are in your fiber build and looking at the results for the fourth quarter, how do you feel about the level of net additions that you're getting in terms of conversion of passing into paying customers? What has been working well for you lately and what still needs to be improved during 2025 to achieve better converting?

Thank you, Sergey, for the question. And yeah, so really, you saw this in 2024 where we really, you know, we had slower net adds than we thought in our expansion markets in Q2 and Q3. We really diagnosed that problem with not having enough salespeople and door-to-door sales folks. And, historically, we've always staffed our own internal teams. We realized that we just couldn't do that anymore. We needed to bring in external parties to help augment that sales force, and we started to do that in Q4. And you started to see that nice ramp in our net adds. And so that is, we are hyper-focused on ensuring that we have the right sales and marketing programs, including fully staffing up our door-to-door sales teams to continue that momentum into 2025 and beyond.

Our final question will come from the line of Vikash Harlalka with New Street Research. Please go ahead.

Hi. Thanks so much for taking my question. First on TDS, my back-of-the-envelope math suggests that you need to expand your current footprint by about 400 to 500,000 locations. And then you mentioned that you're building about 300,000 locations for EA CAM. Are most of those EA CAM locations part of these expansions, or is it only a small part of the EA CAM location, you know, from this additional location?

Yep. So no. Your math is exactly right. So there's two pieces of the program. One is the ongoing fiber expansion program. Those are additional incremental addresses added to our footprint. And you're right in the ballpark. You know, we've tended to pace around 100,000 a year historically. And then the second part of the program is our enhanced ACAM program. This is bringing fiber into our ILEC copper markets. So it's converting copper addresses to fiber addresses. So it's not adding incremental footprint, but adding more fiber addresses and bringing higher speeds to some of our most rural geographies. So we're very excited about these programs.

Got it. So my question on these additional locations that you're building outside of the EA CAM, the additional organic fiber locations, are these locations mostly on the edge of your current footprint, or are you looking to go beyond? And then what is the profile of these locations that you're looking to build up, and, like, who are the main competitors in that footprint? And lastly, what would it cost to build these locations, and how are you looking to fund it?

Yep. So back a few years ago when we first really started this fiber expansion program, we hand-selected nearly 100 communities for various characteristics. One of them was being favorable competitive land, where there is very little incumbent fiber. Another was very high growth percentages, like household formation and growth opportunities. Another was clustering opportunities. And so, really, if you look at where we've been building, it's largely in Wisconsin and the Pacific Northwest in various clusters. And so we're just continuing to build out in those communities that we hand-selected. We initially planted the flags at the end of 2023, and we're continuing to build those out. But these are all outside of our incumbent footprint and are all expansion territories. So that's kind of the types of markets, and we still feel very good about the competitive landscape. In terms of build cost, that's something that we don't share. But what I will say is that our teams are extremely dedicated to keeping our build cost as low as possible. That's one of the reasons why we've invested in internal construction crews. As you heard me say, that's going to account for a third of our address delivery in 2025. And we see as high as 30% savings versus external contractors where we use ICCs. Internal construction crews, which we call ICCs, versus external contractors. We're also very innovative with our build design and constantly thinking of new ways to build high-quality networks with lower input costs, so lower labor and materials costs.

Yeah. Good morning. This is Vicki. I'll jump in here as well. These builds that Chris is discussing really is in our greenfield expansion new markets, and this is part of our total footprint expansion that I spoke to that we've seen a 30% footprint expansion over the last three years. So new communities, good profile in growth in new homes. So that's great. In terms of funding, again, the pacing of this program and the completion of these builds is always dependent on a number of different factors in every market. It also is dependent on our growth in EBITDA over time and the pacing of the capital spending. But I would tell you that, you know, we do anticipate with the deals that we have on the table, that is our number one priority. That we're focused on right now, to get those closed. Expect multiple closings and any use of proceeds at the TDS level would certainly be an opportunity to fund, continue funding, and perhaps accelerating our program over time.

Got it. Thank you. And then on the USM side, just a couple quick ones. We expected being the wireless partnerships to happen, the transaction related to the partnerships will happen around the same time as you could be deals with AT&T and Verizon. What stopped you from cleaning up those partnerships? Is that something that you wanted to do, or is that not on the table?

Hey, Vikash. Am I pronouncing your name correctly?

Yes. That's correct.

Alright. Great. Hey, Vikash. It's LT. I mean, you mentioned cleanup. I don't feel the need to clean up anything that generates really attractive cash flows on an ongoing basis that we don't have to put hardly any operational energy behind. We view these as very attractive financial assets. We're always open to a transaction if, you know, the post-tax returns are better than the long-term returns that we're modeling. But I'm not sure I agree with your phrase cleanup. Right? I don't see anything that needs cleaning. We feel pretty good about those assets.

Got it. That's helpful. And last question, why didn't Ben sort of sell in one of these transactions given that all three carriers have C-band in the network?

It really comes down to value. As you can see from the transactions that we announced, we received bids and we accepted bids that were ahead of our book value and ahead of our market value. And as you can sense from my statement, we did not receive those bids in. Doesn't mean there wasn't interest. There were plenty of conversations. We still feel very confident that we're going to be able to monetize that in the future. But it came down to the value that we were offered and what we're looking for for that Spectrum in the long run.

That's very helpful. Thank you so much.

You bet. It's great to meet you.

And that will conclude our question and answer session. I'll hand the call back over to Colleen Thompson for any closing remarks.

Okay. Thanks, everyone, for your time today. Please reach out to IR with additional questions. Have a great weekend.