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Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Organon Third Quarter 2022 Earnings Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question- and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this call is being recorded. Thank you. I would like now to turn the call over to Jennifer Halchak, Vice President, Investor Relations. Please begin your conference.

Thank you, Michele. Good morning everyone and thank you for joining Organon's third quarter 2022 earnings call. With me today are Kevin Ali, Organon's Chief Executive Officer; and Matt Walsh, our Chief Financial Officer; Dr. Sandra Milligan, Organon's Head of R&D, will also be joining us for the Q&A portion of this call. Today, we'll be referencing a presentation that will be visible during this call for those of you on our webcast. This presentation will also be available following this call on the Events & Presentations section of our Organon Investor Relations website at www.organon.com. Before we begin, I would like to caution listeners that certain information discussed by management during this conference call will include forward-looking statements. Actual results could differ materially from those stated or implied by forward-looking statements due to risks and uncertainties associated with the company's business, which are discussed in the company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including our 10-K and subsequent periodic filings. In addition, we will discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures on this call, which should be considered a supplement to and not a substitute for financial measures prepared in accordance with GAAP. A reconciliation of these non-GAAP measures to the comparable GAAP measures is included in the press release and conference call presentation. I would now like to turn the call over to Kevin Ali.

Good morning everyone and thank you Jen. Welcome to today's call where we will talk about our third quarter 2022 results. Beginning on Slide 4, Organon continues to perform very well. For the third quarter of 2022, revenue was $1.5 billion, up 3% at constant currency. This marks our third consecutive quarter of revenue growth at constant currency rates. And if we exclude supply sales and just look at product sales, it is the fourth consecutive quarter of product growth on a constant currency basis. We also demonstrated strong profitability. Organon generated adjusted EBITDA of $546 million in the third quarter representing a 35.5% margin. Turning to Slide 5. We're building a company that we believe can deliver sustainable growth driven by the contributions of each of our three key franchises. During the third quarter, the Women's Health franchise delivered 23% growth on a constant currency basis. This includes $229 million of revenue in Nexplanon, which beat the record we set in the fourth quarter of 2021. This was also the first quarter during which we delivered more than $150 million of Nexplanon in the U.S. where the product grew 26% and that is driven primarily by increased physician demand. Execution of the promotional strategy continues to support the Nexplanon growth trajectory this year. This includes training. We continue to train more physicians across the U.S. and year-to-date we have trained over 16,000 providers. It also includes educational and direct-to-consumer campaigns, which are reaching millions of women and driving more patients to the product. The steady penetration of this product is evident when you look at Nexplanon's global performance on a trailing 12 month basis, which takes out the noise of the timing of tenders and pricing actions. We've added a slide in the appendix to illustrate the steady pickup and growth we have seen in this product since it has been in our hands. We should see a continuation of that trend into the fourth quarter. Fertility also grew double digits during the quarter as well as year-to-date. We expect double-digit performance for this portfolio for the full year 2022. The U.S. and China are large and important fertility markets and together represent over half of our current fertility business. Revenue increased in both of those markets during the third quarter. And that was despite slower than expected recovery from the COVID lockdowns in China. China is a particularly important fertility market with over a million IVF cycles a year. That is 5x the number of cycles in the U.S. As you've heard us discuss many times before, fertility is a therapy area with strong demographic tailwinds. Women are waiting longer to start a family, resulting in higher infertility prevalence, and more governments are realizing that they need to take action to address the associated low birth rates. Globally, the top five markets with the highest infertility rates are in the Asia-Pacific region where the fertility rate or the number of births per woman is significantly below the replacement rate required to sustain a population and a GDP growth. Countries like Korea are offering cash incentives for households to expand their families and Japan, Australia, Thailand and Singapore are expanding fertility access and/or their benefits. These dynamics represent an attractive opportunity for Organon given our already significant presence in that region. The Women's Health franchise is also benefiting from our business development activities. We've added three commercialized assets to our Women's Health portfolio since spin that are already contributing or will soon be contributing to revenue growth. You will recall that earlier this year we reacquired the rights to Marvelon and Mercilon in selective territories in Asia including China and Vietnam. Both Marvelon and Mercilon are combined oral hormonal daily contraceptive pills. These contraceptives were already owned, manufactured and marketed by Organon in 20 other markets. Since we have taken ownership of Marvelon, growth has outpaced the market and we increased market share of the product by two points in China. We also made our first shipments to Vietnam. The success from the repatriation of these assets is – but one additional example of how Organon is applying its own methodologies to maximize the performance of assets that may have been under prioritized in the past. The third quarter also includes the contribution from the JADA system, which is a device intended to provide control and treatment of abnormal postpartum uterine bleeding or hemorrhage. Our goal in acquiring JADA included the opportunity to speed up access to innovation in the U.S. and to leverage our global capabilities to bring JADA to markets around the world. We continue to add accounts in our now and about 800 hospitals in the U.S. where more than 10,000 mothers have been treated with JADA. Additionally, we recently made our first ex-U.S. shipments for the JADA system and have also submitted to the EU for approval with that review process set to begin in December. And finally together with our partner Daré Bioscience, we look forward to a first half 2023 launch of XACIATO, an FDA approved medication for the treatment of bacterial vaginosis in females 12 years of age and older. We continue to balance our business development activity between commercial stage assets and pipeline stage assets, particularly with regards to potential opportunities in the U.S. market as we seek to further enhance the growth profile of Organon. With respect to the clinical assets we have added to our portfolio, we took an important step forward last week. When we enrolled the first patient in the Phase 2 ELENA study to evaluate the safety and efficacy of OG-6219, a candidate for endometriosis, we are proud to have achieved this milestone as it is Organon's first molecular entity to enter this phase and signifies our dedication to developing novel alternative therapies for patients suffering from endometriosis. Endometriosis is among our highest priority areas of focus. It's a common and chronic condition that affects up to one in 10 women of reproductive age and yet despite increasing awareness of this condition, there are currently no long-term approved treatment options. The compound we are studying is different than currently available treatments because of its potential ability to act locally in the target tissues without impacting systemic hormone levels. This potentially selective activity allows for its evaluation is a long-term treatment option for endometriosis. We are proud to be moving forward with this research in the hopes of addressing this significant unmet need. Turning to biosimilars. We continue to have solid uptake of Ontruzant and Renflexis in the U.S., while the phasing of tenders will show up in quarterly results, year-to-date this business is developing or delivering double-digit growth and we expect results for the full year to demonstrate double-digit growth as well. Our next biosimilar launch will be mid next year with our launch of HADLIMA in the U.S. There are other biosimilars launching along with us in July, but here is why we think we will be successful. We believe that biosimilars that will be best positioned to succeed are those that share the same attributes as the originator HUMIRA. That includes the option for a high concentration of citrate-free formulation and a low concentration formulation and we expect to have both at launch. We also believe that real world evidence and experience in other markets is important for provider uptake and product confidence. Our collaborator, Samsung Bioepis, has data from their launch of Hadlima in EU, and we have data from our own launches in Canada and Australia. And finally, our pen design. Samsung is an expert in device design and manufacturing. We believe our pen design can deliver a frictionless experience for patients transitioning from HUMIRA and we think will be a true differentiator among our other offerings. And before I turn the discussion over to Matt, what should go not under – which should go – which should not go underappreciated on Slide 6 is our Established Brands business. That franchise currently represents about two thirds of our overall business. The portfolio continues to demonstrate the sustainability and untapped potential of these brands and generate significant free cash flow. Year-to-date Established Brands has delivered 6% growth on a constant currency basis. Given its strong year-to-date performance, we expect the Established Brands franchise to deliver modest revenue growth for the full year 2022 even with some expected impact from volume-based procurement in China in the fourth quarter. As strategic owners of this business, we are staying nimble so that we can capitalize on dislocations in local markets like competitor stock-outs. Our policy and market access teams have worked to minimize price erosions where possible and we have been strategic about extracting value from longstanding brands with planned life cycle management activities. With these initiatives and programs, we believe we can manage this franchise to a very low single digit rate of erosion over the longer term. And this in our opinion is a significant early win for a business that was experiencing double-digit decline prior to the spin. With that, now I'd like to turn over the discussion to Matt. Matt?

Thank you, Kevin. I'm pleased to go into further detail on our results for the third quarter, not just because the performance was solid but also because we reached an important milestone in financial reporting this quarter. Organon was a standalone entity in both the current and prior year periods, which means this is the first earnings call that we can discuss performance with apples to apples comparability to the prior year period without being obstructed by the carve out basis of accounting that we needed to employ for pre-spinoff accounting periods. And with that opener, we'll start the financial discussion on Slide 7. I'm showing this slide for two reasons. First to highlight operational performance by geography and second and really more important to provide a basis for understanding just how much Organon's results are subject to foreign exchange translation. On an operational basis, our best performance in the third quarter came from the United States and Asia Pacific, Japan regions. The U.S. is an important market representing a quarter of our business, so the 6% growth in that market during the quarter was meaningful and was primarily driven by growth in Nexplanon and also Ontruzant and Renflexis, the two biosimilars that we offer in the United States. On a constant currency basis, the APJ region grew 13% during the quarter. We continue to benefit in Japan where generics since – really since the start of the year have been having structural supply issues related to GMP conformance and quality issues. Now this presents an opportunity for Organon and we've been able to flex our manufacturing and supply chain capabilities to meet market demand. We've also seen growth in Southeast Asia and Thailand and, as Kevin mentioned, we shipped our first order of Marvelon to Vietnam in the third quarter. Our remaining regions were level with prior year during the quarter on a constant currency basis. We had very strong performance in China during the third quarter of last year related to resupply of key products from long back orders. So it was a tough comparison point in China for established brands, but growth in fertility and in other Women's Health namely Marvelon offset the modest decline in Established Brands. We're seeing strong demand for Nexplanon and LAMERA, but that was offset by the phasing of an Ontruzant tender that we received in the third quarter of last year, but moved to the second quarter of this year. In EU/CAN, we had good volume growth in biosimilars and Established Brands, but that was offset with annualized pricing erosion in Established Brands in Europe. And as we think about foreign exchange, other than the U.S. dollar, which represents about 30% of our revenue exposure, we have most exposure to the Euro, which is about 20% of our revenue, the Chinese renminbi which is about 15%, and the Japanese yen which is less than 10%. But my main point here is that with about three quarters of our revenue outside the U.S., our portfolio faced a significant headwind from FX, not unlike a lot of other multinational companies. But in our case, it amounted to a full seven percentage point swing in revenue growth for the quarter. That unfortunately masked the operational growth in local currencies that we delivered. Turning to Slide 8, which bridges our year-over-year quarterly revenue performance by key driver. Revenue for the third quarter was approximately $1.5 billion, down 4% as reported, but up 3% at constant currency when compared to the third quarter of last year. These are the components of the seven percentage point swing in revenue that I was referencing. The impact of loss of exclusivity or LOE during the third quarter compared to last year was negligible. In the first half of this year, the majority of LOE exposure in the portfolio was coming from NuvaRing, but that was accounted this quarter by favorable volume demand in the United States and NuvaRing revenue actually grew modestly year-over-year in the third quarter. In addition, we didn’t have any LOE impact in Established Brands this quarter and the most significant LOEs facing the portfolio washed out prior to the spinoff. We expect only modest new LOE exposure going forward. Now since the spinoff in 2021, we have been expecting a generic entrant in the U.S. for Dulera. That did not happen in 2021 and now looks very unlikely for the remainder of 2022. Continuing to read across the waterfall chart, the impact from volume-based procurement in China was also negligible in the third quarter, which is also the case year-to-date is the implementation of the next rounds of VBP have been delayed. That said, we expect VBP implementation to resume in the fourth quarter and that it will primarily impact E

[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from the line of Terence Flynn with Morgan Stanley. Your line is now open.

Great. Thanks for taking the questions. I guess two for me. Maybe Matt, you could help us think about what your outlook is for China heading into 2023. You mentioned some of the variables you've seen here playing out over the last couple quarters. But as you think about 2023 how are you thinking about the growth outlook there? And then the second question I had is on your biosimilars HUMIRA or HADLIMA, I'm assuming you've had some initial conversations with U.S. payers at this point. I know you're not launching till July. But maybe just how are you thinking about second half of 2023 in terms of both share and then price point. Thank you.

Okay. I'll take the first part of that question, which relates to China. So we expect to see growth in China in 2023. That's mainly coming from the strategic shift that we've been executing from the hospital channel to the retail channel. We do expect VBP will certainly be at play and will limit the growth that we expect, but we do expect growth in China in 2023, so directionally I can give you that much.

And Terence, I can address the second part of your question in regards to biosimilars. I have personally met with a number of the larger PBMs in the U.S. And I think that 2023 will obviously be kind of a light ramp up year as people are – as PBMs are kind of locking in some of the contracts for 2023 as we speak now. And so I do believe that where you have closed systems like government business VA, large HMOs like Kaiser, they could be potentially more aggressive in terms of the switch. But I think in terms of overall on the PBM side, you'll see more of that business start to fold in, in 2024 and then ultimately really open up in 2025. But we feel very, very good after discussing with those PBMs that our product profile and our offerings everything from the real world evidence to the low and high citrate-free high-concentrations that we have got coming plus they were very excited about obviously our pen device and I keep using the term frictionless experience for many of the patients. And so I think the general sense – the general assumption is that what I'm hearing is that they'll accept maybe two at best three, but probably more likely two biosimilars on formulary and ultimately I think we're in good shape when it comes to that.

We can take our next question, operator.

Next question.

Your next question comes from the line of Umer Raffat, Evercore ISI. Your line is now open.

Hi, guys. Thanks so much for taking my questions. Maybe a couple here if I may. I wanted to – there's one of your pipeline programs, which looked very interesting based on its prior data, ebopiprant. But the pace of development really confuses me, especially since it looks like there's been almost no progress since you guys licensed it mid-last year. And my understanding is you're trying to file an IND, but I'm more confused sort of over the course of 12 to 18 months if an IND has not filed, is there something more significant that's folding it up just so we understand it better. And then secondly, just on the comments on biosimilar HUMIRA, you said it will be a light ramp up year. PBMs are locking up contracts. But it looks like the estimates and The Street expectations are all over the place. On some players, there is as much as $2 billion plus in the biosimilar HUMIRA. I think in your case, you're talking it down and you're implying more of 2024, 2025 and most investors read that as more of a sort of $300 million to $500 million type opportunity. Could you just list some parameters for us because I feel like this is one of those line items that could get mismodeled, especially in the context of the overall timeline you guys have? Thank you.

Thanks, Umer. I can start with the second part of your question and then I'll hand it over to Sandy to address the issues that you brought up on ebopiprant. In regards to biosimilars, look it is going to be a kind of a lot of dust, a lot of things throwing up in the air because it's hard to really understand right now because PBMs are still trying to develop their strategies. And overall, I think what we're guiding to is essentially what you've seen out there. And you're right, we're guiding to a lower number versus the billions that you see out there. I do think there is going to be some pretty aggressive discounts, discounting taking place, obviously nothing on the level of small molecule discounts that you see, but obviously – but there will be some. And I think because it's a pharmacy dispense product and it's the largest biologic coming off patent, there's a lot of questions obviously as you can imagine in that area. But again, Umer, we feel very good about where we are. We've got – we've checked all the boxes off. A lot of the PBMs we're talking to feel that 2023 will be a kind of a light takeoff in terms of the fact that the originator will still be there, obviously in full force, but then 2024 it will start to open up and 2025 be much more aggressive. And over the years you'll see price erosions starting to hit. We feel very good about the consensus that's been put out there on HADLIMA. It is going to be a successful product for us and we'll have to see what 2023 brings, but I do think it will be a like live path and then ultimately it will open up in 2024 and 2025. Sandy?

Sure. Thanks for the question. So as you probably recall, we brought over the ebopiprant asset from ObsEva close to spin. And to your point ObsEva initially did a Phase 2 study againstAtosiban as an add-on therapy and select European and other countries. The preclinical data package that was put together by Aviva satisfied the individual country requirements for the clinical trial application. However, we anticipated would not satisfy the requirements to pass the muster of the FDA in order to get a move forward on IND submission. Therefore, right after we acquired the asset, we started out contracting and doing our pre-clinical work with our providers. And it has taken a little bit longer in the sense of the contracting. We were just starting up as a company, but we're fully online and we have the initial results from many of those studies. We've already had a pre-IND meeting where we've discussed not just the preclinical data, but our development plan initially, and we had a very robust interaction with the FDA to think about that clinical development program ahead. So we are anticipating after the finalization of the data readout in the study reports that we will be able to file this IND and pass muster early in 2023.

Thank you.

Next question. Thanks, Umer.

Your next question comes from the line of David Amsellem with Piper Sandler. Your line is now open.

Thanks. So just had one question on Nexplanon and one on Established Brands. So Nexplanon, I'm trying to get a better sense for how we should think about adoption growth in a more normalized post-pandemic environment. And more specifically, what portion of OB/GYNs have already been trained and how much remaining is out there to train going forward? So that's number one. And then on Established Brands, you sighted cardio and respiratory is being particularly resilient. I'm just wondering how sticky those products are? And even just beyond those therapeutic verticals, just thinking about these ex-U.S. markets, what's your view on, I guess, for lack of a better term brand loyalty or relative stickiness of these products going forward? Thanks.

Sure. Thank you, David, for the questions. Let me start with Nexplanon. I do believe that the pandemic clearly as we've seen has created a lot of confusion in the market. I mean, we still see a 25% reduction in regards to Women's Health visits that have never bounced back versus pre-pandemic and so – pre-pandemic level. So I would say to you that it is a slow moving process in terms of getting everyone back. That's a kind of an issue that needs to be addressed, obviously. And but when you speak about long acting reversible contraceptives Nexplanon is gaining share because what we do is, what we see is the IUDs are losing favor. We see that. Obviously, it's hard to get that from IQVIA data because it's a buy and bill model, but nevertheless we see that from other companies report outs that large IUD manufacturers are seeing declines in that business, but we continue to see increases. I see we see increases in physician demand quarter by quarter. We had a really strong quarter, as you said, as I mentioned earlier, in terms of the third quarter with 26% growth in the U.S. alone. And we do see that we're starting to gain share there. So I do agree with you that some of the noise is going to have to come out of the system. And I believe as we go forward in 2023 and 2024, you're going to start to see more stickiness as to use your binocular in terms of Nexplanon kind of really getting more into the mainstream of a lot of OB/GYNs using that product because there is a demand. I mean, when you start to think about it, what is the need? The need is the fact that we've got nearly a 45% unintended pregnancy rate in the U.S. and a fact that people – a little fact that people don't really recognize is that 40% of those unintended pregnancies. Patients were – women were using some form of contraception. So it clearly shows you they need more real world high efficacy and that's where Nexplanon, it's really in certain forget and you've got the – among the highest, if not the highest level of protection against unintended pregnancies. So I do believe that profile will gain more traction as we start to see more women come back and ultimately the things that we're doing around clinical training programs as well as direct to consumer advertisements and things that we're doing with that nature. In regards to Established Brands, I do believe the ex-U.S. business is sticky. You see that you see in China, for example, our business continues to grow in spite of VBP rounds as well as lockdowns. We still feel – we still see retail growth. We see e-commerce growth. I do believe that in many of these markets, especially in the emerging markets, you see a lot of brand loyalty especially around cardiovascular and respiratory products. Our respiratory products, especially in markets that have very high seasonal allergy seasons do extremely well. And so products like Nasonex, products like Singulair continue to do very well and are very robustly accepted and people pay out of pocket for that. And at the same time, in many of these emerging markets, they want a reliable high quality supplier that has good science, good manufacturing know how and people feel very, very tied to their brands. So I do believe going forward, as I mentioned, that we will see a very, very low single digit erosion. There are going to be some years like this year where we see a lot of upsides in certain markets where we see growth, and it’s been pretty robust growth for established brands, which is unique. You’ll be other years where you get very low single digit erosion, you get other years where it’s flat. So overall though for the long term, I think it’s a really good thing to say about this business, which is two thirds of our business and a large part of our free cash flow. Thanks, David.

Thank you.

Your next question comes from Chris Scott with JPMorgan.

Hi. This is Katerina on for Chris. Thank you so much for taking our questions. So the question is on margins. So can you just help us or rather elaborate on some of the drivers of the better than expected kind of margin trends this year? How much of that is delayed spend versus something that you think can carry over to future periods? And then you’ve talked a little bit about 2023, but more wondering, should we thinking about 2023 as kind of a floor for margins, or is there kind of potential for another step up in operating process we think about 2024 or 2025? Thank you so much.

Yes. So the better than expected performance on margins this year is a function of a few things. You can’t just tie it to one driver, but what we have seen is better than expected price performance, right, price still went down across the portfolio, but not by as much as we had thought at the beginning of the year. Our product mix has been a little bit more favorable than we thought in our overall manufacturing performance in the plants. Now, in terms of margins going forward, I think the sort of early directional indicator that we gave about margins, second half margins being a directional indicator for 2023 encompasses everything we know at this time about the amalgamation of forces that will be impacting us in 2023. So in that directional indicator, that includes at least to the extent we know now, right? We’re in the middle of our budgeting process for the company, which has yet to conclude. But product mix will always be one of the most significant drivers of our margins year-on-year. What we know about that now is bake into that directional indication. On a margin up basis, we continue to improve productivity in our manufacturing plants. What we do expect to see some hits on, of course, is inflation for next year. That is impacting our numbers this year, but to a lesser extent, we expect to see a bigger impact of that next year. And once again, we’ve got the steady drum beat year-over-year of price pressure across the portfolio, given the age of the products. But all of that has been considered in the directional indicator that I provided.

Great. Thank you so much.

Your next question comes from the line of Chris Shibutani with Goldman Sachs. Your line is now open.

Hi, this is Dan on for Chris. Thanks for taking our questions. I guess just first on HADLIMA, could you guys maybe talk about how impactful you see interchangeability being once you ultimately receive it to both being on formulary and commercially versus other biosimilars? And then second on capital allocation. And you guys discussed maybe more potentially near-term accretive deals. Could you maybe just give kind of the current thinking on views across segments and areas of focus on women’s health? Thank you.

Sure, Dan. I can address the first question on biosimilars on HADLIMA. In my discussions with all the PBMs that I’ve interacted with and they are large ones. Interchangeability does not come up as a key point. It is something that I think they’d like to see that is underway, and we will have our interchangeability indication likely in the 2024 timeframe. So that’s fine. That’s kind of check the box. They’re more focused on a number of other issues. Number one is, do you have the manufacturing capability to make sure that whatever is ordered, because there’s large volumes will be met. Do you have a pen? [ph] Again, I use the term frictionless experience. Look, you don’t want – they don’t want to give their healthcare providers a reason to move off because patients don’t have the ability to be able to inject seamlessly. And so we feel really good about the device that Samsung has put forward for us. Do you have real world evidence? Because we don’t want to be the first country that you actually sell and provide and commercialize your product in. And finally, do you have the high concentration citrate-free and the low concentration? Because there are some customers, approximately about 20% of customers in the U.S. do around the 20% of the business in the U.S. is moving towards a low concentration form. So both of us [ph] got that box as well checked off. So we’re fairly very comfortable with our position in terms of the profile. And regarding capital allocation, what we have been seeking to do since the spin really is to bring balance in our capital allocation between innovative assets that address large areas of unmet needs in women’s health, where the commercial opportunity is also strong. Those tend to be longer duration product development cycles. And so we’ve been trying to match that with either immediately accretive or imminently accretive deals that can effectively keep the business and the operating margin for posting within a range that it’s just representative of a well run business. So we’ve recently put in some longer, some more early phase assets. And so as we think about balance, that would suggest that some of the next deployments that we do should be either immediately accretive or imminently accretive. Once again, just to bring balance to the overall program.

Your next question comes from the line of Jason Gerberry with BofA. Your line is now open.

Oh, hey, good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. Just wanted to come back one question on HUMIRA. You mentioned that PBMs are locking in contracts now. We heard from Teva earlier this morning that per the settlement agreement, you can only contract when you launch. So just trying to reconcile those discrepant viewpoints. And ultimately, another thing I was curious about your one month order of entry advantage versus that sort of next wave of biosimilars. I realize it’s kind of a small time differential, but wondering mechanically, does this potentially give you a leg up that you think investors might be under appreciating? And that could be potentially from a contracting perspective an advantage that could be material? Thanks.

Thanks for the question, Jason. What I was saying, at least in my script, and ultimately in the discussion with Umer, is the fact that PBMs are now kind of looking at their business for 2023. They’re not kind of locking it in now. And you’re right. I mean, what Teva said earlier is correct that we can’t start to really negotiate and contract based on the agreement that we have with AbbVie. But nevertheless, what I will tell you is the fact that we believe that 2023, the glide – the ramp kind of the ramp up will not be as dramatic because it’s – you’re coming in half the year. By that time, the contracts will obviously be in place. The originator will be on formulary, obviously. There will be kind of a fight in terms of getting on formularies. And so there’s a lot of that kind of tactical set of activities. But I do believe that 2024 will be a much what I’m understanding from all the TBMs that I talk to as well as government business like the VA, as well as the Kaiser system, those closed systems will move faster to replace and potentially have business switched over in more in an aggressive fashion PBMs will take their time. And ultimately that’s what I’m signaling is that it’s going to be more of a 2024 and 2025 timeline where you really start to see a lot of movement we believe away from the originator and essentially what happens to price in the marketplace.

Okay. Fair enough. Thanks so much.

Operator, I think our last question?

Your last question comes from Greg Fraser with Truist Securities. Your line is now open.

Good morning. Thanks for taking the questions. My first one is on [indiscernible] category. Curious how much of the pressure on IUD demand has been tied to temporary COVID related headwinds versus drivers that could be more durable over time? And then on established brands, if you think about 2023 and beyond, where do you still have exposure to VBP, your comments on longer-term growth, should we expect greater pressure on 2023 sale tied of VBP versus future years? Thank you.

Yes. So Greg, let me address some of those questions, so in regards to your second question regards to VBP, we do believe that VBP round seven will happen in November of this year, this month. And essentially one of our cardiovascular products E

On the stickiness of IUDs and what’s happening in regards to the pandemic?

It’s hard to, look, I can’t answer the question in terms of what physicians and patients are thinking in regards to their acceptability of IUDs. But I can’t say that the unique thing about Nexplanon is it literally takes one or two minutes to insert, and it takes the same amount of time to remove. It is much more convenient in terms of being able to use it as a long-acting reversible contraceptive that can fit in so many different settings. In addition to that, it has the same basic efficacy as an IUD does. The difference is that you’re talking about a product that is currently works at efficacy for three years. We’re working on the five year extension. So that means we’ll have efficacy for duration for five years that will be launched in probably the 2025 timeframe. So we do see a long and productive runway for us for Nexplanon, and we do see more and more patients coming online and higher demand for Nexplanon as a reasonable alternative when a woman wants to have a long-acting reversible contraceptive. And currently that there’s all the signals, all the signs that we see in the marketplace, especially in the U.S. and ex-U.S., which is growing actually even faster than the U.S. is that it is a – or a form of contraception that people are getting much more attached to it. Because again, back to the basic principle, in our hands, we’ve been able to give it the right type of attention, the right type of senior management attention, the resourcing ultimately kickstart and get that business to be $1 billion business in the very near future. It’ll be our first $1 billion blockbuster for Nexplanon probably in the 2024, 2025 timeframe.

Thank you.

So I think Kevin has a couple closing remarks.

Yes, just in closing for all those. Thanks for the questions by the way. Just in closing, Organon has really had a strong third quarter with all three franchises continuing to make really important contributions. We’re building a business as you all can see, that it’s sustainable and it’s a sustainable growing concern. Our track record to date supports what we have said from the very beginning of the spin. That in our hands, this portfolio of assets can generate sustainable growth. So I want to thank you for joining us today, and we look forward to continuing to communicate our progress with all of you as time permits. Thank you very much.