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Good morning. The Roper Technologies Conference Call will now begin. Today's call is being recorded. All participants will be in a listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to turn the call over to

Good morning, and thank you all for joining us as we discuss the first quarter 2025 financial results for Roper Technologies. Joining me on the call this morning are Neil Hunn, President and Chief Executive Officer; Jason Conley, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer; Brandon Cross, Vice President, Principal Accounting Officer; and Shannon O'Callaghan, Senior Vice President of Finance. Earlier this morning, we issued a press release announcing our financial results. The press release also includes replay information for today's call. We have prepared slides to accompany today's call, which are available through the webcast and are also available on our website. And now if you please turn to Page 2. We begin with our safe harbor statement. During the course of today's call, we will make forward-looking statements, which are subject to risks and uncertainties as described on this page, in our press release in our SEC filings. You should listen to today's call in the context of that information. And now please turn to Page 3. Today, we will discuss our results primarily on an adjusted non-GAAP and continuing operations basis. For the first quarter, the difference between our GAAP results and adjusted results consists of the following items amortization of acquisition-related intangible assets; transaction-related expenses associated with completed acquisitions and lastly, financial impact associated with our minority investment in Indicor. Reconciliations can found in our press release and in the appendix of this presentation on our website. And now if you please turn to Page 4, I'll hand the call over to Neil. After our prepared remarks, we will take questions from our telephone participants. Neil?

Thank you,

Thanks Neil and good morning everyone. As you heard from Neil, we had a good start to the year. Revenue of $1.9 billion was up 12% and led by an 8% contribution from acquisitions, mainly via our Transact and Procare portfolio additions organic growth of 5%. Coming into 2025, we expected Q1 to be our lowest quarter for organic growth, given some comp challenges in our network segment and so 5% was in line with that expectation. To click into the monthly cadence throughout the quarter, for software, enterprise bookings were up low single-digits in the quarter. This was expected following very strong Q4 performance across the portfolio. Importantly, pipelines remain healthy given the essential nature of our solutions. Yet we are cautiously optimistic and mindful of the current macro environment heading into Q2. For products, demand improved throughout the quarter, particularly at Neptune and Verathon without any indication of pull-forward activity. EBITDA of $740 million was up over 9% in total and nearly 10% on a segment basis. Reported EBITDA margin of 39.3% was down 90 basis points versus prior year. Core EBITDA margin, which exclude acquisitions, was solid at 4.8%, representing a 50 basis point margin expansion or 53% incrementals. Regarding acquisition margins, Q1 is Transact's lowest margin quarter as about half of Transact's EBITDA comes in the third quarter of each year. This is due to a high concentration of term renewals and back-to-school transaction volume. We'll expect margin expansion from Q1 as we progress throughout the year. For diluted EPS, we delivered $4.78, which was above our guidance range of $4.70 to $4.74 led by strong margin performance. Finally, on free cash flow, Q1 came in at $507 million, which was down 1% versus prior year. Note that this figure includes a legal settlement of $24 million, which was funded in January and we discussed in our last earnings call. Though Q1 free cash flow was a bit low, it was not unexpected, given the exceptionally strong Q4 working capital performance that discussed in our last call. Overall, free cash flow margins, if you look over the last few years, we've been in the 31% to 32% range. Last quarter, I had mentioned that we issued $2 billion of bonds in Q3 2024, yet the first coupon payments are occurring in February and April of this year. This, along with the legal settlement in Q1 has about a $70 million or 80 bps impact on free cash flow margins this year. Operationally, we feel good about working capital conversion and the structural free cash flow margin profile going forward. Now, I'll turn to Slide 10 to discuss our strong financial position. We finished the quarter with net debt to EBITDA of 2.4 times with a fully undrawn revolver. Last week, we closed on CentralReach and used the revolver to fund the acquisition. This brings our pro forma net leverage to around 3 times. As we roll forward our expected cash flow and leverage ratios, we remain in a great position even after funding CentralReach, over $5 billion of capacity to deploy towards high-quality acquisitions. To that end, we continue to work through a very strong pipeline of opportunities today. Given the uncertain macro backdrop, some PE sponsors are understandably taking a breath. However, as we have discussed, many PE sponsors need to return capital to LPs in the near future. And so the current market dislocation creates a favorable environment for Roper. In summary, our unique and resilient business model creates opportunity during times of uncertainty. So with that, I'll turn the call back over to Neil. Neil?

Thanks, Jason. As we turn to Page 12, let's review our Application Software segment. Revenue for the quarter grew 19% in total and organic revenue grew by 6%. The EBITDA margins were 41.4% and core margins improved 110 basis points in the quarter. This group of companies continues to demonstrate resilience and deliver on our growth expectations. As we turn to the businesses, we'll start with Deltek. Deltek grew in the mid-singles range in the quarter, both recurring and total revenues. As we highlighted on the slide, Deltek continues to have strong migration to their cloud offerings while the business continues to innovate at a rapid pace and has benefited by very strong gross and net retention. Aderant continues to be very strong with record first quarter bookings and strong cloud migration activity in the quarter. Aderant continues to gain market share and carry its momentum forward. PowerPlan also was outstanding in the quarter. Over the last several years, the team has done a great job at making the revenue stream more recurring in nature. In addition, they continue to get an amazing feedback with their cloud offerings, which are driving strong SaaS migration activity. Also during the quarter, we promoted Rafi Shure, Aderant's COO to succeed Joe Gomes as the next CEO of PowerPlan. Joe Gomes is now leading ProCare for us. We love seeing our high-potential leaders be placed in a position to have even higher levels of impact. Turning to Vertafore, which was once again steady and solid for us. We continue to see consistent ARR growth and strong customer retention here. ProCare, our platform acquisition from a year ago has done a nice job competing and winning in the market, increasing its market share versus the primary competitor. That said, there's a clear opportunity for the business to reach its full potential, both in terms of operational efficiency and growth. Because of this, we asked Joe Gomes, who has been a CEO within the Roper portfolio for eight years to lead ProCare going forward. We look forward to Joe replicating his prior Opera leadership success at ProCare. Finally, the combination between TransAct and CBORD is going according to our integration plan and the combined business is performing well in the market. Now turning to the outlook for the balance of the year. We see no change in the trajectory of the outlook and continue to expect to see organic growth in the mid-single plus range. Also, and as we highlighted last quarter, we want to remind you that TransAct's revenue, earnings and margin profile are highest in the third quarter, as Jason mentioned earlier. Please turn with us to Page 13. Organic revenue in our Network Software segment grew 1% in the quarter, as we expected, given the difficult prior year comp at MHA. EBITDA margins remained strong, 55.3%. As we dig into the individual businesses, we'll start with DAT. DAT grew in the quarter as expected based on increased ARPU driven by carrier and broker price actions, product packaging and continued customer cross-sell activity. In addition, DAT continues to innovate at a rapid pace and did a great job integrating our recent Trucker Tools bolt-on acquisition. For the balance of the year, we continue to expect to see DAT grow based on the price actions rolling into the recurring revenue. From a market point of view, spot market volumes and DAT monetize network participation continue to bounce along the bottom, which is what we expect to occur for the balance of the year. Both MHA and Foundry declined in the quarter as expected for MHA due to a prior year difficult comp and for Foundry due to the final elements of the actors and writers strike hangover. That said, we did see nice green shoot activity at Foundry during the quarter and now feel confident that the worst is behind and Foundry's ARR will, in fact, return to growth this year. ConstructConnect was strong for us in the quarter. The growth was fueled by strong customer bookings activity and improved customer retention. In addition, building on what Matt Strazza started, our new leader, Buck Brody, is doing a terrific job leaning into GenAI and developing very interesting, innovative and potentially groundbreaking products. We look forward to talking more about this in future calls. Finally, our alternate site healthcare businesses, SoftWriters and SHP, continue to grow nicely, winning in the marketplace. As we turn to the outlook, we continue to expect to see revenue growth in the mid-singles range for the balance of the year. Now please turn to Page 14, and let's review our TEP segment's full year results. Revenue here grew 6% on a total and organic basis, and EBITDA margins came in at 36.2%, solid results. Before we get into the business specifics, the vast majority of our tariff exposure resides within this segment. The good news is that most of our cross-border flows are USMCA compliant, which obviously mitigates most of the tariff impact. Our teams will continue to work this issue and further mitigate as needed. Though none of us are enjoying the continually evolving tariff situation, it is yet another example of the nimble execution capabilities of our organization. In March, when all the tariff noise started kicking up in earnest, our business leaders went to work to countermeasure the risk and start reworking the necessary supply chain activity. Nice job by the teams and keep up the great work. Now turning to Verathon. Verathon continues to be rock solid for us. Coming off an incredible 2024 in Q4, they did a nice job growing in Q1. The source of their strength remain consistent, their single-use bronchoscope or BFlex product leadership and their video laryngoscopy or GlideScope market leadership. Importantly, Verathon has built a true world-class new product development capability with several new product releases slated for this year. We look forward to talking about these new products as soon as they're launched. Turning to Neptune, which was just solid once again for us. They continue to do a great job with their ultrasonic meter go-to-market execution. Also and importantly, in the quarter, we completed the acquisition of a cloud-based utility building software solution for Neptune. The Neptune team has long crafted their strategy based on the unique unmet needs of their customers. From their market research and ongoing discussions with customers, it became abundantly clear that Neptune could solve a persistent industry problem by closing the loop in the meter to cash cycle. This acquisition provides Neptune with the final piece of this strategy. So we look forward to talking about the enhanced customer value by fully connecting the water meter read to data management to billing and collection processes. Special thanks to Don Deemer and the entire Neptune leadership team for completing this incredibly strategic acquisition, exciting stuff. Of note, both Verathon and Neptune order momentum improved as the quarter progressed. Turning to our CIVCO Medical Products business, they unfortunately declined in the quarter, based on a very difficult prior year comp. Finally, NDI nailed it in the quarter, and we need to brag on this business and the team for a bit. They have proprietary and world-class precision measurement technologies, used on healthcare applications worldwide. Over the past few years, the team has done an amazing job of hyper focusing on their medical markets and their OEM clients. In addition, they have built and are building a world-class go-to-market capability to match their product strength. Based on this, they're winning in important sub-markets within healthcare, namely orthopedic surgery, interventional radiology and cardiac ablation, great job, Dave and your entire team. Turning to the outlook for this segment, we continue to expect to see high single-digit revenue growth for the balance of year. So with that, please turn to Page 16. Let's turn to our Q2 and increased full year 2025 guidance. Given our solid Q1 start, the closing of our CentralReach acquisition, and our outlook for the balance of the year, we're increasing our total revenue growth outlook from 10% to be in the 12% area. Our organic growth rate of 6% to 7% for the full year remains unchanged. Finally, we're increasing our full year debt outlook by $0.01 on the low and high-end to be $0.1980 to $0.2005. Included in this outlook is $0.15 of CentralReach dilution. Our guide continues to assume a full year effective tax rate in the 21% to 22% area. For the second quarter, we expect adjusted debt to be between $480 million and $484 million and we are absorbing $0.05 of CentralReach dilution in the quarter. Now please turn us to Page 17, and then we'll open it up to your questions. We'll conclude with the same for key takeaways with which we started. First, our first quarter financial results were solid, and our businesses remain very resilient to the current trade and macroeconomic dynamics. Second, we successfully completed the acquisition of CentralReach. Third, given our solid start to the year and the completion of the CentralReach acquisition, we're modestly raising our full year guidance. And finally, we remain well positioned for capital deployment, where we continue to have more than $5 billion of available firepower over the course of next 12 months. Despite the macroeconomic uncertainties in the market, when it comes to acquisitions, Roper remains open for business. As it relates to our compounding model, we grew total revenue 12% and organic revenue 5% in the quarter and free cash flow of 12% over the last 12 months. We're delighted with our acquisition of CentralReach. As discussed, this vertical market leader is mission critical to the delivery of autism care and has several embedded structural growth drivers that will support its 20% revenue and EBITDA growth outlook. Finally, we continue to be very well positioned with more than $5 billion of available M&A firepower to deploy capital towards leading vertical market software businesses. Our M&A pipeline continues to be very active, our teams are engaged on several opportunities. It is always difficult to predict timing of deals, but we remain quite bullish on our ability to deploy capital this year. Keep in mind, at least historically, we have found times of uncertainty can be advantageous for deploying capital, think Verathon in the summer of 2020. As usual, we're excited to pursue these opportunities with our unbiased and disciplined approach. Now as we turn to your questions, and if you could flip to the final slide, our strategic compounding flywheel, we'd like to remind everyone that what we do at Roper is simple. We compound cash flow over the long arc of time by executing a low risk strategy and running a dual threat offense. First, we have a proven, powerful business model that begins with operating a portfolio of market leading, application-specific, and vertically oriented business. Once a company is part of Roper, we operate a decentralized environment so our businesses can compete and win based on customer intimacy. We coach our businesses on how to structurally improve their long-term and sustainable organic growth rates and underlying business quality. Second, we run a centralized, process-driven capital deployment strategy that focuses in a deliberate and disciplined manner on cultivating, curating, and acquiring the next great vertical market leading business. To add to our cash flow compounding flywheel. Taken together, we compound our cash flow over a long arc of time in the mid-teens area, meaning we double our cash flow every five years or so. With that, we'd like to thank you for your continued interest and support and open the floor to your questions.

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Brent Thill with Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Good morning. Neil, curious to get your perspective on what's happening with PE and with the behavior, Jason mentioned some hesitancy. I think that makes sense. But maybe just give us a quick overview on what you're seeing.

Good morning, Brent. Thanks. Thanks for joining this morning. Yes, what we're seeing in the deal. Well, you'd expect to see, by the way, with all the, you know, uncertainty generally as a slowdown. But what we're seeing on the ground with our pipeline, with our conversations with sponsors, investment bankers, companies is just a consistent drumbeat of activity. The pipeline is as robust as it's been. We're super pleased, obviously, that we got CentralReach done this year. We still have 5 billion to deploy over the next 12 months or so. But we would sort of have our - what we're seeing at the high level, just a general macro uncertainty disconnect. What we're seeing at the on the ground level. So we'll just have to see how it plays out in terms of the balance of the year. But we're certainly cautiously optimistic. And as we said in the prepared remarks, you know, times of uncertainty oftentimes in our history or, you know, present very unique opportunities to deploy capital.

Great. Quick follow-up just on Deltek on the Fed exposure. Can you help us understand what you're seeing there? And if you've given up the percent exposed in that sector would be helpful. Thanks.

Yes, sure. Happy to do that. So Deltek’s 60 of their business is focused on helping federal government contractors run their business, 40% are on other professional services-oriented markets. The broader - it's a broad set of activities that has created amount of uncertainty in the government contracting part of the Deltek customer base. It's obviously DOGE, but it's the budget uncertainty. It's the government shutdown, the debt ceiling, all of that taken together, as you'd expect, creates a fair amount of uncertainty. So what happens in that uncertainty is the pipeline pushes to right at touch, as we've seen this since we owned this business since 2016, and so we've seen this pattern play out before, so things push to the right at touch. The customer sentiment when we talked with our leadership team there during our quarterly call downs is actually quite good. They feel like this is a short-term speed bump versus any medium or long-term concern. And what happens when the pipeline pushes to the right, Deltek's growth rate just slows a touch. Deltek will grow this year, but we probably will take a point - or we have taken a point or two of growth off the Deltek's organic growth rate for this year given the uncertainty.

Yes. It's more acute too because the GovCon Enterprise segment is mostly - if they're doing expansions or add-ons, it's mostly through perpetual licenses, so that will impact in year.

Great. Thanks.

You bet.

And your next question comes from the line of Brad Reback with Stifel. Please go ahead.

Great. Thanks very much. As it relates to free cash flow and operating cash flow, should we expect a return to growth here in June? Or is it more back-end weighted?

Yes. Thanks for the call, Brad. It's going to be more back-end weighted. Q2 for us, I mentioned on the prepared remarks we had. We haven't done bonds in a few years. So we did our first offering Q3 of last year and some of the coupon payments aren't due until April. And so we just got a little bit of a timing between P&L interest and cash interest. So that will impact the second quarter. Also just noting, the second quarter is usually our lowest quarter of the year because we made two federal tax payments. But then as we roll through to the second half, you're right, it will be a very strong Q3. We have our Transact business will have a full quarter of that. They get most of their EBITDA and cash flow in the third in the third quarter. Our frontline business is particularly strong in the third quarter as well. So expect a better second half than a first half.

That's great. And then just real quick on CentralReach. Given that there are 200,000 providers on the platform, does the gross retention rate look a little different here than maybe other aspects of the software business?

Yes. It does a bit. If you think about it just customer only logo only, it's in the mid- to high 90s. But when you add to your point, some of the therapists that come in and out of the market, then it's more of a sort of a low 90s gross retention, but we get that back on the net retention, right? We get as the market consolidates - and those go to the winners, we get that through net retention. So net retention is kind of 115 to 120 range. So that's kind of how we think about it.

Great. Thanks very much.

You bet.

And your next question comes from the line of Joshua Tilton with Wolfe Research. Please go ahead.

Hi, guys, can you hear me?

We can. Good morning.

Good morning, guys. Thanks for squeezing me in here. Maybe just to start, I guess I just want to take it back and be a little high level. I guess, I heard a lot on the call the word uncertainty, but I also heard a lot on the call the word durability, and you guys do believe that all the businesses are pretty durable even in the current environment. I guess, can you just help us high level understand in the context of your decision to pretty much reiterate the guidance on the top line? Like, where are there some offsetting puts and takes in the guidance that maybe either give you or don't give you some wiggle room if the macro gets worse from here or maybe even better just to start. Thank you.

Well, you're right. I mean I think the durability gave us confidence to reiterate. The puts and takes, I'd say, we just talked about Deltek might be a little bit weaker, but you've got other businesses that had strong bookings that are materializing in terms of recurring revenue throughout the year. So in AS, we're sort of holding serve there. I'd say at NS, pretty much the same holding serve. We talked about how DAT is going to improve throughout the year. We still believe that to be the case. Foundry saw some green shoots, as Neil talked about. And so we expect that business to exit in sort of the high single-digit range, somewhere in there. And then really within TEP, there hasn't been a lot at the top level, but I would say our MDI business certainly has some good tailwinds, some of these new indications that there they've been targeting for years in terms of cardiac ablation and orthopedics have taken hold. So, I'd say that got us confident in maintaining our guidance for the year.

Super helpful. And then maybe just a little more nuanced follow-up to that. Can you just talk of the durability of Deltek maybe specifically for the third quarter, just how you think about it throughout the rest of the year? I know you guys gave some high-level commentary on the moving pieces in that business there, but maybe how we should think about your visibility into that business and then just durability as we move throughout the year.

I mean, Deltek is 80% to 85% recurring, which gives you an amazing amount of predictability and durability as Jason alluded. There's a little bit of perpetual that, that business still has that we've trimmed off a little bit. As I mentioned, that's essentially what's driving our slightly lower growth outlook for the total year. And we'll stop short of giving you any quarterly sort of specifics on individual businesses.

I'll try it. But I appreciate it. Thank you so much.

And your next question comes from the line of Joseph Vruwink with Baird. Please go ahead.

Great. Thanks for taking my questions. I guess when thinking about confidence for the remainder of the year, bookings for software order patterns for products are about as good as it gets when thinking about leading indicators. Maybe beyond what you have in hand, what's been the perspective within businesses that are more reliant on cloud or subscription transitions, that would seem to be maybe something that's a slightly harder proposition relative to the businesses where when renewals are coming due and you can make an assumption for renewal rates, are there any indications around the transition oriented revenues where maybe customer preference could slow if the macro remains uneasy out there.

Yes. Thanks for the question, Joe. So, Adonis our kind of our leader in this - in the pack in terms of cloud transition. And actually, Q1 was very strong for them. And they're starting to actually move into the higher end of the client base in terms of cloud transition. So didn't see any indications I understand your point, and we didn't see it there, maybe at Deltek, but that's not as much of a tailwind for them. And so that kind of is in the sort of uncertainty bucket with DOGE, but that will happen eventually. Otherwise, yes, we didn't see.

Our plan had a nice quarter.

Yes, actually great. Great point. So PowerPlan just launched their tax for fixed asset product about two quarters - one or two quarters ago. Saw really good uptick there. The recurring revenue is now growing double digits as a result of that. So yes, nothing that we could see in terms of transition to the cloud and slowing customer decision, we didn't see any of that.

Okay. That's great. And then you kind of touched on this with Deltek, but extending more broadly. How would you frame a stress test around the nonrecurring elements of both AS and it could decline be possible there? And I know it's a mix. I'll throw in reoccurring to this question. So you have a mix of perpetual license, I would assume very high margins, but then also services and payments. Is the profit margin implication if the nonrecurring pieces are declining to imagine it's probably good for your margin mix, just kind of a framing there?

I think the perpetual and the service are fairly offsetting relative to recurring - relative to SaaS subscription. So I don't think we'll have any meaningful margin impact there. Network, our nonrecurring is really small, so it's not as significant. I think it is a question in terms of - in AS, that's probably the only area that has some question in terms of where it's going to be this year. It's probably going to be up a little bit. That's at least our current thinking, but we'll see how the year plays out.

Great. Thank you.

And your next question comes from the line of Terry Tillman with Truist Securities. Please go ahead.

Yes. Hi, Neil, Jason and

Yes, sure. So the CentralReach AI products are new to the market. I mean, they're new in the last 12 months and that there's three essentially buckets of products and that they didn't all get released nine or 12 months ago, it's been a rolling release. So no, we've got a - it's not a material amount of revenue for CentralReach, but it is one of their meaningful growth drivers going forward that the company - both the company and we are excited about. And to your second part of that question - the second part of your question about the rest of Roper, it's - I would say CentralReach is leading relative to the Roper portfolio, but my guess is the balance of the portfolio will catch up quickly in the first derivative of AI, sort of the GPT that ride along with our products or the fraud exposure that was sort of mitigated at DAT, those sorts of applications. We've done a very good job. Now we're - as most companies are pivoting as a second derivative, which we think is a huge TAM expander for us. This is where you get the genetic digital employees, so our companies are very, very busy extending our software with the Agentic capability into the workflows of our customers. We expect to monetize those on a work completed basis. So we're very excited about that. But it's still pretty early, but it's moving at a very, very quick clip.

Got it. Thanks. Another me to cut you off, Neil. Just a follow-up question relates to core EBITDA margin for you, Jason. I think it was up 50 bps in the first quarter. How do we think about core EBITDA margins for the year, realizing you have another acquisition that's in the mix now? Thanks.

Yes. I think the core EBITDA margins will be, I think, up a little bit this year at the segment level, right? And then we've got - probably with the Corp G&A, it's more flattish if you include that, but still strong. I think we had a good - in terms of AS. I think acquisition margins are going to get better throughout the year, and core will sort of hold, network will probably get a little bit better in the second half just through scale. And then TEP had a good quarter. We think that's going to continue throughout the year just with MDI and some of Verathon's products coming to market.

Thank you.

And your next question comes from the line of Ken Wong with Oppenheimer. Please go ahead.

Hi. Thanks for taking my question. You guys mentioned Deltek pushed a little to the right. As you look across your portfolio and you think through customer sales conversations, any other areas where you're seeing some modest shift to the right?

Not really. I mean, we studied that intently and intensely, as we went through our quarterly reviews and really look for it, it was clear at Deltek. It was just not clear other places. It doesn't mean that it might not happen a little bit, but it hasn't happened here yet.

Yes. I would say, I mean, Aderant had the highest bookings quarter they've ever had. Strata had a phenomenal quarter in terms of TCV, total contract value, which will benefit us over several years, but they had a really good quarter. Vertafore was a little soft, but they had an exceptionally strong Q4. So we weren't surprised to see a little bit of year-over-year weakness there.

We talked about ConstructConnect, we talked about talked about foundry. We software SHP pipeline was fine in the quarter, so.

Got it. And I guess, should you happen to see some erosion going forward? Help us think through, I guess, what are the counterplay countermeasures that you guys are thinking about? Would it be more margin defensive? Or are there particular actions that you guys would potentially implement to try to maintain growth? What would be your next step should something emerge?

Yes. So I think for us, we have this natural incentive for the businesses. They usually are very thoughtful about the pacing of investment. And so if they start to see some weakness, it's in their best interest to make sure that they're being prudent. Obviously, making the right investments and we're very transparent with areas they should not be cutting, but they naturally have that in their P&L. And also, I'd just say the incentives are variable to throughout the company. And so it's based on growth. So we get some of that margin preservation there as well.

Perfect. Thanks guys.

You bet.

And your next question comes from the line of Scott Davis of Melius Research. Please go ahead.

Hi. Good morning, guys.

Good morning, Scott.

Hi, I just wanted to clarify because we just, kind of, glossed over it a little bit, but it sounds like tariffs are a big kind of nothing burger for you guys and seems somewhat isolated to Verathon. Is that a fair statement?

I wouldn't say it's isolated to Verathon. It's - most of the product business in the TEP segment have to deal with some amount of tariff impact, but the vast majority, Neptune, Verathon, SIFCO is USMCA compliant. So that's why we're able to sort of be - sort of a $10 million to $15 million issue.

Okay. Fair enough. All right. And moving to something more important. The poor activity that we're seeing just seems like it could be hitting an air pocket, maybe in 2Q or later in 2Q, you don't seem to be concerned about the freight activity kind of different when that occurs. Is there a particular - are you guys less exposed? I suppose that the - at ports as otherwise for DAT?

So we're watching it, as you'd expect, on a daily - a weekly basis when we look at the metrics, Scott, I think that maybe the simplest way to think about it is the paying or the monetized part of the DAT network on the carrier side, flexes but not like day-to-day to demand, right? And so if there was, for instance, in March, if there was a pull forward across the economy for pre-tariff shipping, we do not see a surge in carrier demand in the network. Just like if there's a little bit of slack in the system, we won't see it immediately turn off. Now if it sustained that way for 6 months to 12 months, then we would expect to see an impact on the carrier side of the network. But so we just have assumed going into the beginning of the year sort of flattish on the carrier volume units, and that's where we are maintaining it. DAT will grow this year because of the price actions, and we'll see how things play out from here.

Okay. Good color. Thank you for sharing. Good luck guys.

You bet.

I will pass it on.

Thanks.

And your next question comes from the line of Deane Dray with RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Thank you. Good morning, everyone.

You bet, Dr. Dray. How are you?

Doing really well. Thank you. So I want to circle back on CentralReach, and it's a bit unusual. I mean it's a good problem to have to explain. You don't typically get a business with this type of growth profile. Often, PE has public company aspirations for someone at a 20% growth plus. So - just how was this available? And what percent of the funnel have these kind of growth profile for you?

Yes. So on sort of how did this come about? I would say it was a very traditional process for us. This was a business that was owned by Incyte. We've known the Incyte team for a while. It was Jan and her team about a year ago. We're talking with Incyte. This wasn't about this asset. We had an opportunity to meet the CEO plus or minus a year ago. We started doing our proprietary market work. You know nine months ago or so, we liked a lot of the structural elements of the market, the growth drivers. They're solving a real problem in society, we see AI, GenAI as a strong tailwind with very limited sort of headwind or risk associated with it in this end market. And then the process started in a very, very traditional way with an investment bank. It was competitive. But as we've been able to do in the last handful of deals, we've really been able to articulate the Roper value proposition to the management team, right? So what is life like inside Roper, the advantages of having permanent long-term forever capital, the way you can grow your business inside of that, and in this case, there were many LOI submitted, but because we had one management, we were able to get the call back and have the opportunity to essentially have a week to finish the transaction, which we did. So we're very excited by that, the process, the way that it unfolded. In terms of what's in the pipeline, the vast - I mean the vast majority of the funnel, are these maturing leader type businesses. The growth rates are going to range between 10% and 25%. This doesn't mean that every deal has to be in the 20s. But Deane, as you know, what we're solving for here in our revised capital deployment strategy is sort of 30% or 40% better returns in year five. And we can get there. We can solve for that a couple of different ways, but the opportunities in the market that are plentiful, these more higher growing businesses to help solve for that, where you get both the growth and the benefit of margin expansion over time.

I'd also just say in terms of funnel, we have a very good mix also of bolt-ons, right? So we've been really active on the bolt-on front, and I continue to see that as well.

Got it. And just to confirm here, does CentralReach, is it accretive to CRI on a total company basis? And at what point does that contribution become positive?

It is working capital. CentralReach is working capital negative. And what's important for us through our CRI lens is that we just remain negative from a working capital point of view. So the incremental transaction doesn't have to be incrementally negative to the fleet. It just has to make sure we stay negative.

Got it. Thank you.

You bet.

And your next question comes from the line of Joe Giordano with TD Cowen. Please go ahead.

Hi guys. Good morning.

Good morning, Joe.

Can you just walk me through the guide mechanics like the walk from prior to current like your small beat in the quarter versus guide, hold do organic. You absorbed $0.15 and still raising. Like is there kind of a contingency that was being removed like where’s the offset here?

Yes. I think you've characterized it right. We had a little bit of margin and a little bit of interest contingency in our last guide. And so, I talked about all the things that are sort of holding within AS. Deltek is a little bit weaker, but others are offsetting that and us is about on - as we talked about probably a little bit better on margin, I would say, versus our last guide. So that's what gets you to the revised pretty much updated guidance that flows through the Q1 beat.

Okay. That makes sense. And obviously, I've been getting a lot of calls on Deltek as far as what the exposure is. I mean you've talked about it a lot on this call, so we don't want to go crazy here. But has that been primary DOGE risk kind of like done now? Like if Musk is going back to Tesla and we haven't seen these big changes to these businesses yet, like we not just - could we stop worrying that it's happening?

I think, again, I said it earlier, I just - I don't want to characterize this as just a DOGE thing. I mean it's DOGE ,but what our pattern recognition of owning this business is 2016 is when there is a potential government shutdown and the budget uncertainty that, too, is like just people don't know where the spending is going to be at the period, right? So, it's all of this that's blended together has created the uncertainty. But this community of government contractors provide essential services to the government. And so that's why we think this is a short-term thing and not a structural or even a medium-term thing. And I think the most recent, if you just go to DOGE, I think the most recent conversations are, we're sort of stuck at $160 million or $170 billion, and people are going to take that as a win, as opposed to try to get to the $1 trillion or whatever the number is going to be. And then obviously, with must-spending more of this time going back to his other day jobs and having the limited number of days and as government sort of contractors, government employment status, will certainly probably slow down the DOGE impact.

Yes, that makes sense. Great, thanks guys. Appreciate it.

You bet.

And your next question comes from the line of Steve Tusa with JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Hi, good morning.

Hi, good morning Steve.

Just on the organic, maybe some color on the 2Q organic. And then secondarily on education, there's obviously a lot going on there as well with the government and how they're kind of pressuring some of these higher ed organizations. And anything there that you guys are seeing as well?

I'll let Jason take the first. I'll take your education question.

Yes. I mean I think we're going to - it will step up from Q1 a bit. It's - I think AS will have a little bit of increase, just as you see Procare rolling in. Obviously, NS is going to go up to mid-singles as we talked about at the beginning of the year with just DAT and foundry ramping, and we don't have the MHA comp issue and then high single-ish range probably for TEP, just with all the things we've talked about, it's true for Q2 as well.

Got it.

And Department of Education and education, generally, it's - there's noise in the system, but when you read through what the administration is thinking about doing at Department of Education, it's essentially not cutting funding. It's just block granting the funding down to the states. If you look at the 2025 CR Department of Education funding equals 2024. The Title I sort of funding is like 80% by the way, and the President and the Secretary on repeat have said that's not going to be touched in terms of the total amount. There's certainly some pressure on DEI and sort of the conflict in Maine on some of the athletes and whatnot about holding back funding. But I think those are bespoke issues. The big overarching thing is the funding dollars are not going to change, just maybe the administration of the funding dollars might change going forward. So, we haven't heard - there's been no like slowdown or panic at the customer level about their funding.

Okay. And then just lastly, just in April here, the software bookings. Have you actually seen acceleration from the low single-digit?

We don't get that information.

Okay, great. Thanks for the detail.

And your next question comes from the line of Julian Mitchell with Barclays. Please go ahead.

Hi, good morning. Just wanted to follow up a little bit on the organic sales sort of acceleration you've dialed in. So, I guess you grew total company 5% organic Q1, I think it's 5% organic over the last 12 months. And it seems that sort of enterprise software bookings a little slow to start the year. I think the backlog at TEP was down 40% or so in December. So I just wondered sort of the assumption of an acceleration to maybe 8% plus growth in the back half, the confidence there? And is there anything outside of foundry that's turning around a lot?

Well, I mean, I think we just - we start with network. I mean, foundry, obviously, but then DT as well. I mean we're assuming carriers are going to be flat. But even despite that, we're expecting the business to get better throughout the year and have a decent ex velocity. We talked about TAP already, I think, which is really just Neptune continuing to get better throughout the year. They have an easy comp in the third quarter, if you recall, and then we talked about NDI being another component of TEP that's given us confidence in the guidance there.

The other thing I'd say, Julian, is as it relates to the bookings activity, on a trailing 12 months bookings activity is up low double digits. And it takes time for that bookings activity to work its way into revenue. So that's in the machine and converting to revenue as we speak. So we have broad tailwind strength on bookings activity, Q4 is amazing. Q3 was a little bit slower as we expected. So I would not read too much just listening to your question, I would not read too, I think you're reading too much into a Q1 booking number because you really have to look at what the buildup of the bookings is that sort of feed the machine.

That's helpful. Thank you. And then just my follow-up would be on the application software EBITDA margin. So you had this sort of 30 bps headwind, I guess, to the EBITDA margin year-on-year in first quarter. How are you sort of thinking about that play out over the balance of the year as sort of CentralReach come in? And is that core OMX you had 100 bps or so a good run rate for the rest of the year?

So yes, I think as - I'm just trying to parse out what you're saying here. I think on the core basis, we should see margin expansion this year, maybe not as much we saw in the first quarter, but certainly up nicely. We talked about Deltek targeted restructuring last year. We've seen some benefits of that this year. And then the acquisition margins, I talked about, let's just kind of take park CentralReach to the side for a second. Those will get better throughout the year because you've got a ramping of activity at ProCare and then you've got TRAN

And Deltek has got a benefit this year because of EBITDA - they did a belt tightening in Q4, which carries through for the full year.

That's great. Thank you.

You bet.

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