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Good Morning. The Roper Technologies Conference Call will now begin. Today's call is being recorded. All participants will be in listen-only mode. [Operator instructions] I would now like to turn the call over to

Good morning, and thank you all for joining us as we discuss the third quarter 2024 financial results for Roper Technologies. Joining me on the call this morning are Neil Hunn, President and Chief Executive Officer; Jason Conley, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer; Brandon Cross, Vice President and Principal Accounting Officer; and Shannon O'Callaghan, Senior Vice President of Finance. Earlier this morning, we issued a press release announcing our financial results. The press release also includes replay information for today's call. We have prepared slides to accompany today's call, which are available through the webcast and are also available on our website. And now if you please turn to Page 2. We begin with our safe harbor statement. During the course of today's call, we will make forward-looking statements, which are subject to risks and uncertainties as described on this page, in our press release and in our SEC filings. You should listen to today's call in the context of that information. And now please turn to Page 3. Today, we will discuss our results primarily on an adjusted non-GAAP and continuing operations basis. For the third quarter, the difference between our GAAP results and adjusted results consists of the following items, amortization of acquisition-related intangible assets, the financial impacts associated with minority investments, and lastly, transaction and restructuring-related expenses associated with the completed acquisition of Transact Campus. Reconciliations can be found in our press release and the appendix of this presentation on our website. And now please turn to Page 4. I'll hand the call over to Neil. After our prepared remarks, we will take questions from our telephone participants. Neil?

Thank you,

Thanks, Neil, and good morning, everyone. Let's take a look at Slide 6. Revenue was $1.76 billion and up 13% over prior year. Acquisitions contributed 9%, led by Procare and Transact Campus, and organic growth was 4%. Just unpacking organic growth a bit. In application software, revenue grew over 5% with recurring and reoccurring growth in the high single-digit area. Non-recurring revenue was down low-single digits, led by declines in new license sales. New business activity for enterprise software continues to lean towards SaaS, which ultimately creates higher customer lifetime value while yielding a slight drag on near-term non-recurring revenue. In network software, recurring revenue growth of 1% includes temporary headwinds at DAT, Link and Foundry. The balance of the segment saw growth in the mid-single-digit area. As Neil will discuss later, we see stabilization in freight markets and expect some improvement in Q4. TEP organic growth of 4% was underpinned by strength at Verathon and prior year comp challenges at NDI, Inovonics & rf IDEAS. As we discussed last quarter, NDI had a very significant customer program in 2023 that created year-to-date comparison challenges. However, we expect a return to growth in Q4. Separately and importantly, Neptune rapidly resolved its mechanical meter production challenges in the quarter. EBITDA of $717 million was 10% over prior year and EBITDA margin came in at 40.7%. On DEPS, we posted $4.62, which was above our guidance range of $4.50 to $4.54. Of note, the Transact acquisition contributed $0.03 in the stub period as the third quarter is seasonally the highest driven by fees from annual tuition payments and annual renewals of term licenses. Excluding Transact, our guidance beat came from strong core margin performance in our application software segment. Turning to free cash flow, we had our highest-ever quarter with free cash flow of $719 million, up 15% over prior year. Transact was cash accretive in the stub period of ownership and off to a fast start with Q3 being once again seasonally strong for this business. We also had a simply great execution across our software and tech product businesses. Of note, net working capital as a percent of revenue, excluding acquisitions was negative 19%, a new Q3 record. A special thanks to our world-class finance teams across the Roper family who are laser focused on cash returns and cash flow growth. Tremendous job. The bottom right chart provides a trailing 12-month view of free cash flow over a four-year period. The CAGR from the corresponding 2021 period is 12%. If we adjust for the Section 174 that went into effect in 2022, we've compounded cash flow in the mid-teens area. The strong Q3 results places our year-to-date cash flow at 31% as a percentage of revenue and with renewal season at many of our software businesses in Q4, we expect free-cash flow margin to be north of 30% for the year. Turning to Slide 7, I'll now discuss our balance sheet. So net debt of $8.1 billion on trailing EBITDA of $2.75 billion yields leverage of 3 times at the end of the quarter and a bit lower if we pro-forma for the recent acquisitions. In the quarter, we entered the bond market and issued $2 billion across five, seven and 10-year tenors for a blended rate of 4.8%. This was used to fund the Transact deal and partially pay down the revolver, which has a quarter-end balance of $925 million. As we move forward, our strong cash flow and use from investment-grade leverage provides us with $4 billion or more of capacity to deploy towards high-quality acquisitions. To that end, I'll turn it over to Neil to talk about the Transact deal and its compelling combination with our CBORD business. Neil?

Thanks, Jason. Let's turn to our most recent acquisition overview. Transact Campus is another fantastic addition to the Roper portfolio. Let's start with the investment highlights. We paid $1.5 billion net of a $100 million tax benefit for the business. We expect Transact to deliver about $325 million of revenue and $105 million of EBITDA next year, which means we paid about 14 times the EBITDA we expect this business to contribute next year. Transact is adjusted DEPS breakeven this year, be accretive to our adjusted DEPS next year and is immediately cash flow accretive. And we will report Transact as combined with CBORD and our application software segment. On a standalone basis, Transact meets all our long-standing acquisition criteria, leader in the niche market, delivers mission-critical verticalized software solutions, competes based on customer intimacy, operates an asset-light business model and is led by a skilled, passionate leadership team. Let's talk about what the company does. Transact is a leading provider of mission-critical and purpose-built software and integrated payments to higher-education institutions in two focus areas, first, in campus identity management, and second, related to tuition management. The market itself is quite attractive and in the midst of the long-term secular tailwind of universities working to improve the on-campus experience required to attract and retain the next generation of students. We estimate the combined market size to be in the $1.5 billion range and growing 6% to 8% per annum. As previously mentioned, we're integrating our CBORD business with Transact. CBORD will combine its university campus ID business with that of Transact, creating a leading provider of these solution. We expect a long-term organic growth rate of the combined business to be in the high single-digits area. The go-forward leadership team has been announced, the 2025 $20 million cost synergy plan is well underway and the initial set of customer feedback has been quite positive. As you can see, Transact is a highly compelling value-creation opportunity for Roper and our shareholders. As we turn to Page 10, let's review our application software segment results. Revenue here grew by 23% in total and organic revenue grew by 5.5%. EBITDA margins were 43.6% and core margins improved 20 basis points in the quarter. Before getting into the business-specific details, I would like to share a few macro trends we're seeing across this segment. First, we continue to see improving organic enterprise bookings performance, growing in the double-digits area in the quarter following HSD growth in Q2. Importantly, the enterprise-class customer sluggishness we saw during 2023 and the first quarter of this year appears to be waning. Finally, we continue to see strong growth in recurring and reoccurring revenue in this segment, growing in the high single-digit area in the quarter. Turning to our business unit-specific commentary, we'll start with Aderant, our software business focused on the needs of large law firms. Aderant continues to perform incredibly well in the market and had another great quarter. Over the past few quarters, we have highlighted Aderant's improved product development velocity and in particular, with GenAI powered features. Now, this innovation activity is adding to their already-strong bookings momentum, including very nice new customer additions and continued progress in adding new and expanded products within their existing customer base. Deltek, our software business serving government contracting, architecture, engineering and construction markets was strong in the quarter as well. In particular, Deltek's enterprise-class government contracting customer activity improved in the quarter, which is encouraging to see. Also, and as a reminder, Deltek continued their ongoing cloud-based software momentum and expanded their GenAI embedded functionality. PowerPlan, our financial planning and tax software business serving heavy fixed assets industries continues to impress with their operating and financial results. PowerPlan has done a tremendous job over the last three or four years on improving the customer experience, accelerating their software innovation velocity and improving upsell, cross-sell activity. Great job by Joe and his team in Atlanta. Frontline continues to perform nicely and had strong renewal activity and delivered excellent seasonally high cash flow. Of note, we're excited to announce Matt Strazza as Frontline's new CEO. As some of you may recall, Matt joined Roper as Deltek's go-to-market leader, then was promoted to be the CEO of ConstructConnect. Matt did a wonderful job at ConstructConnect and we're excited about having this growth-oriented leader at the helm at Frontline. Also of note, we promoted Buck Brody, ConstructConnect's CFO to assume the CEO role. Buck has been in the Roper ecosystem mostly as the CFO over the past 13 years. This is one of the first, though certainly not the last time, we'll promote leaders across and within Roper. We continue to remain quite bullish about the future for Frontline. Our Healthcare IT businesses led by Strata and Data Innovations were also strong in the quarter and delivered excellent growth. Finally, Procare continues to execute well. Importantly, as part of our evolving governance processes tied to faster growth or maturing leader nature of our portfolio, Roper is working to improve its go-to-market capabilities from lead-generation to deal execution as well as go-to-market leadership. We really like what we're seeing here, although it's early days. As it relates to the guidance for the final quarter of the year, we expect to see mid-single-digit organic revenue growth. Please turn with us to page 11. Organic revenue at our network software segment grew 1% in the quarter and was impacted by the fact we continued to experience pressure with our freight matching businesses and work through the impact on Foundry from the recent actors and writers strikes. Excluding our freight matching businesses and Foundry, this segment grew in the mid-singles area, which demonstrates the underlying quality of this group of businesses. EBITDA margins continue to be strong at 56.2%. Let's dig into the details and start with our freight matching businesses, DAT and Loadlink, which declined slightly as expected due to the continuing challenging freight market conditions that adversely impact both businesses. That said, we continue to see further signs of market stabilization for both carriers and brokers. During this softer period, DAT continues to invest to accelerate new product development philosophies. Now, let's turn to Foundry, our post-production media and entertainment software business. Foundry continued to roll out innovative product updates and ML-powered functionality this quarter, meaningfully enhancing the creative process for high-quality, post-production visual effects. Given the continued impacts related to the recent industry strikes, Foundry declined in the quarter as expected. We now expect the hangover from the strikes to carry into next year as Foundry's customers continue to navigate through tight economic conditions until the creative pipelines matriculate to the post-production phase, which we expect to be sometime during 2025. As mentioned, the balance of this segment grew mid-singles organically in the quarter with solid execution across this portfolio. In particular, ConstructConnect continued its solid march of improved financial results and bookings momentum. In addition, ConstructConnect continues to lead the market with our GenAI-powered takeoff and estimating solutions. Finally, our alternate site healthcare businesses performed well, led by our software solutions at MHA, SoftWriters and SHP and further benefited from improved senior care occupancy. Turning to the final quarter of the year, we expect organic revenue to improve a bit but remain in the low single-digits area as we continue to experience stable but muted freight market conditions. Now, please turn to Page 12 and let's review our TEP segment's results. Revenue here grew 4% in total and on organic basis and EBITDA margins came in at 35.4%. We'll start with Neptune. Neptune rapidly resolved our mechanical meter production issue within the quarter, performing slightly better than we anticipated. Importantly, during the short-term bespoke manufacturing challenge, Neptune was able to deliver on all their customer commitments. In addition, Neptune continues to see solid demand for both mechanical and static meters, positioning Neptune very well for the foreseeable future. Next, we'll turn to Verathon. Verathon continues to perform exceptionally well with solid growth across our GlideScope and BFlex product offerings. Of particular note, we're pleased to report that Verathon is the market-share leader in the US for single-use bronchoscopes. Five years ago, we entered this market with a strong belief that we had a higher right to win given our incumbent GlideScope position and now we have claimed the market-share leadership position and Verathon is not done. Great job by team Verathon. Northern Digital or NDI declined as we expected in the quarter based on customer program timing that led to a very difficult comp. That said, OEM order activity remained strong in the quarter. Finally, Inovonics and rf IDEAS each declined against difficult prior year comps. As a reminder, these businesses started recovering from supply chain challenges last year. For the fourth quarter, we expect to improve to high single-digit growth given Neptune is back on track operationally and NDI's customer program timing begins to normalize. With that, please turn with us to Page 14. Now let's review our full-year 2024 guidance and discuss our fourth quarter outlook. Based on strong application segment margin performance and the addition of Transact Campus, we're increasing our total year growth outlook to be north of 13% and we expect full-year organic growth to remain consistent in the 6% area. In addition, we're raising our full-year guidance to be in the range of $18.21 and $18.25, the high-end of our previous range and an increase of $0.06 at the midpoint. Please note, we expect Transact to be DEPS-neutral for the full year. Our guidance continues to assume a full-year effective tax rate in the 21% to 22% range. For the fourth quarter, we expect adjusted DEPS to be between $4.70 and $4.74. Please note, our newest acquisition Transact will be about $0.03 dilutive in the quarter. Also, as a reminder, the impact of our $20 million synergy plan meaningfully skews to 2025. Now, please turn with us to Page 15 and then we'll open it up for your questions. We'll conclude with the same key takeaways with which we started. First, we delivered a solid quarter of financial results and expect an acceleration in sequential organic revenue growth heading into Q4. Second, we completed the acquisition of Transact Campus and commenced the integration with CBORD. Third, we're increasing our outlook for the full year. And finally, we are very well-positioned relative to our capital deployment strategy. For the quarter, we delivered 13% total revenue and 4% organic revenue growth, while increasing our EBITDA 10%. Of note, we grew our enterprise software bookings in a double-digit area and continued to see high single-digit ARR growth. Importantly, free-cash flow was impressive, growing 15% in the quarter and 20% on a TTM basis. Next, we completed the compelling acquisition of Transact Campus. The combination with CBORD creates a leading software and integrated payments business that helps universities solve the pressing issue of making the student campus experience more compelling. The cost synergy execution risk here is quite low, most of which has already been actioned, leading to a very attractive shareholder return. Next, we're increasing our full-year outlook for total revenue to be north of 13% and maintaining our approximate 6% organic revenue growth outlook. In addition, we're increasing our full-year DEPS outlook to the high end of our prior guidance. Finally, we continue to maintain a strong financial position with over $4 billion of capacity for capital deployment. The M&A markets continue to be very active. We have a robust pipeline of attractive acquisition opportunities that we're excited to pursue with our unbiased and disciplined approach. We remain quite bullish about our ability to execute this part of our strategy. Now, as we turn to your questions and if you can flip to the final slide, our strategic compounding flywheel, we'd like to remind everyone that what we do at Roper is simple, we compound cash flow over a long arc of time by operating a portfolio of market-leading, application-specific and vertically oriented businesses. Once the company is part of Roper, we operate in decentralized environment so our businesses can compete and win based on customer intimacy. We coach our businesses on how to structurally improve their long term and sustained organic growth rates and underlying business quality. Finally, we run a centralized, process-driven capital deployment strategy that focuses in a deliberate and disciplined manner on finding the next great business to add to our cash flow compounding flywheel. Taken together, we compound our cash flow over a long arc of time in the mid-teens area. With that, we'd like to thank you for your continued interest and support and open the floor for your questions. Please go ahead, operator.

[Operator instructions] Your first question comes from Deane Dray with RBC. Your line is now open.

Thank you. Good morning, everyone.

Good morning, Deane.

Hey, maybe we can start with the strategy around Transact Campus and I note that CBORD is being combined with the business right away. And historically, Roper really never clustered the application software businesses preferring more standalone siloed businesses. You never talked about scale. I don't think, I've seen a cost synergy estimate coming out of a transaction in a long time. Does this -- is this more of an opportunistic acquisition? You've done it before, you've combined medical purchasing, you've done some insurance business, back-office clustering. So we've seen this before, but this is right-off the -- out of the blocks, it's being combined and the synergies look obvious, but just maybe is there a subtle difference here, more willingness to look at these attractive growth areas? Maybe start there. Thanks.

Yeah, appreciate the opportunity to talk about that, Deane. The short answer is yes. So even going back to our Investor Day 18 months or so ago, we outlined, I think, there a modest evolution of our capital deployment strategy to focus on a bit more of what we call bolt-on activity and then also the kind of businesses that are a bit faster-growing, call it, mature leaders. And so since then, if you look at our acquisition we've done since then, we've done Strata, Syntellis. So Syntellis, and combine it with Strata. That was the -- archetype is very similar to Transact. We bought Procare, which was our first maturing leader, slightly faster growing business and then Transact. If you go back to 2019, I think we've done 26-ish acquisitions and there'd be a handful of platforms out of that. So we have leaned into a fair number of bolt-ons. I would say on the bolt-ons, the driving -- the principal driving reason for that is to buy businesses where we have a high right to win, and adjacencies that are close to ours that we think increase the likelihood for accelerated organic growth once the bolt-ton turns organic. So yeah, it's very much part of our strategy. And we've tooled up the capital deployment team that Shannon has. We've got folks that are focused on partnering with our businesses, doing a lot of the development work in the marketplace. So yes, it's a strategic intent and we've started the execution pathway.

That's great to hear. And maybe for Jason, and I appreciate you guys putting the spotlight on the free cash flow compounding flywheel because it seems like that's what you got this quarter with free cash flow up 15% and DEPS up 7%. So just talk about that spread and was there any sort of seasonal contribution to free cash flow in this quarter? Frontline typically has that's a higher contribution in the third quarter. Just any dynamics there? Thanks.

Yeah. So I mean, Q3 is now our strongest cash flow quarter. I mean, since we acquired Frontline a couple of years ago and now with the addition of Transact, it's definitely our strongest quarter. Transact has helped a little bit, maybe a couple of points of growth in the quarter. It's our, as I mentioned, seasonally strong for them. But aside from that, we just had tremendous execution through the renewal seasons, which is Q3 and Q4 for us. So Q4 is expected to be strong as well. And I would just say DSO improved almost across the board for a number of our businesses. And so just good old-fashioned execution, I think, is what drove that -- that drove that outsized growth relative to DEPS.

Great to hear. Thank you.

Your next question comes from Brent Thill with Jefferies. Your line is now open.

Thanks, good morning. Neil, you mentioned some of these macro headwinds. It seems like they're turning a bit. I'm curious if you can just dig into what you're seeing in some of the tone in some of the buyers. And then just maybe for Jason, just if you can just speak to Neptune and how confident that you think we're through some of the challenges that we saw? And what are the reasons why you're confident in that recovery?

Sure. So I'll just -- I'll take the first one, Jason will certainly take the second one. So first, I’d -- just to remind everybody, we've worked hard over the last handful of years to really beat a lot of the cyclicality and macro out of what we, if you think about end markets we serve, there's education, there's legal, government contracting, there's healthcare, insurance and what we sell and what we deliver is mission-critical software. So we're generally not turned on and off based on the macro. And then most of our pricing is subscription-oriented versus transactional. So there's sort of three levels of muting in that regard. But still, we're not immune to the macro, but we muted it. I would highlight a couple that we've been talking about really since the beginning of last year first. We're talking, this time we're even -- call it six or six quarters ago, it was about interest rates and an economic slowdown. It was, I think, the most anticipated economic slowdown in modern history and that psychology of that just slowed down to some extent the enterprise class buying activity across software. We're cautiously optimistic based on the last couple of quarters of enterprise software bookings activity last quarter in the high single-digit area growth, this quarter in the double-digit area growth. Pipelines look very robust heading into the end of the year. So we need to execute that on our pipe -- those pipeline. So we're encouraged by that. The second macro factor certainly that takes the headline for us is the transportation macro with our DAT and Loadlink businesses. They're subscription oriented on both sides of the network, both the carrier and the broker. But the number of carriers in the market loosely follows the amount of tonnage that flows over the roads. And so as the tonnage has come down, so is the number of carriers that are participants in the network, which could put pressure on that. We've just seen there's probably been 20 weeks to 25 weeks of negative brokered loads compared to prior year that actually in the last handful of weeks is more normalized to last year. So we very much are seeing a stabilizing in the freight market. So those would be the macros that have impacted our business. Jason?

Yeah. And just add to talk about Neptune a little bit. So if you recall, we stood up the ultrasonic or static line last quarter, the second-line. And so we had some constraints in our mechanical meter production. And so, happy to report the root causes were identified, corrective actions implemented. We had some yield issues on plastic molding that got printed. Some of the machines were creating some constraints as well. That's been remedied. Really like the trends we saw through September and those trends pretty much inform the production output for the fourth quarter and beyond. So we feel good about demand is really strong there. So it's really just getting through this mechanical meter production issue and we feel good based on what we saw in Q3 and the confidence the teams have in Q4.

The only thing I'd add to Jason on Neptune, as I said in the prepared remarks, Neptune was able to deliver 100% on the customer commitment. So this was -- there's no issue there. Kaizen continue to improve and get even further improvements and Don and the team did a great job just going to gemba on the shop floor and getting to root cause.

Great. Thanks.

Your next question comes from Julian Mitchell with Barclays. Your line is now open.

Hi, good morning.

Good morning, Julian.

Maybe I just wanted to follow up on the sort of the macro context as it pertains to network software specifically. As we're thinking out sort of beyond this quarter trying to gauge how you're thinking about the recovery slope at network software, you cautioned that Foundry in aggregate next year may not see much growth because of the ongoing sort of strikes hangover. I just wondered on sort of DAT and Loadlink that portion what the expectation is? Do you think it's plausible, we could just keep moving sideways sort of sequentially for some time? And maybe just frame as you see it now, how much are Foundry and the freight match businesses down in 2024?

So I'll take the first part. So, on DAT and Loadlink, it was intentional that we changed our word choice this call to be stabilizing. So it is very much a stabilized market. We anticipate for until we see anything other than stabilized, that we're going to be in this position from just a tonnage or load volumes that are going over the roads and into the network. That said, DAT does have a pathway and a plan, a high confidence plan to return to some modest levels of growth next year with no assumed improvement in carrier network participation through packaging price. And so we'll have, like I said, some modest growth at DAT next year that we have a pretty high degree of confidence heading into our AOP sessions that comes that will occur next month. And then on Foundry, it's just the -- waiting for the post-production employment to return to its historical levels. I think we're about 15% below pre-pandemic or pre-strike, I should say, employment levels and post-production and we just need -- the content is being produced, it's just got to matriculate through the pipelines and that will be sometime in 2025. So it's definitely taken a few quarters longer than we anticipated earlier in the year. Jason?

Yeah. Sorry, freight match is down sort of low singles for this year. I think we definitely think for NS in general that the Q3 is the low point for us. And then that will start to trend up as Neil said through the fourth quarter and then into next year and the pacing is just dependent on sort of the market momentum there. On Foundry, it's been down double-digits this year and that's been pretty consistent throughout the year. So we expected a little bit more of a recovery in the second half of this year. But as Neil said, it's taken a little bit longer. So yeah, as we think about the trends for next year, I think, the first quarter, just to remind you, we had -- we called out an MHA sort of sort of one-time item this year. So beyond that though, we expect steady growth into next year for the segment.

Thanks very much. And then just my follow-up, switching back maybe to the EBITDA margins at TEP. So those have been sort of down year-on-year for a few quarters. You've mentioned the production issues, there were clearly supply-chain efficiencies sort of moving around. As we look-ahead at TEP, kind of what's the confidence maybe that margins can return to year-on-year expansion in the coming quarters.

Yeah. No, you're right. I mean, the second and third quarter we had -- if you recall last year, we had some big supply-chain liberation for our med product businesses and our product businesses. This year we're down a little bit. NDI is down, had a little bit of negative mix and we're obviously investing for growth there just because it's always been a consistent double-digit grower for us. So we're continuing to invest in NDI. But I think for the year, just thinking broadly, we're going to be flat EBITDA margin. And so it should inflect back up in the fourth quarter.

Great. Thank you.

Thank you. Your next question comes from Terry Tillman with Truist Securities. Your line is now open.

Yeah, thanks. Hi, Neil, Jason and

Yeah, I'll provide some color there, Terry. I mean, I think you're right. The fourth quarter for us is not necessarily a budget flush, it's probably just more customer behavior. It's typically our biggest quarter. So we're obviously keen to see how that plays out. You're right, the last couple of quarters have been strong. I think just a little bit of color. Neil mentioned that Deltek, GovCon Enterprise got a little bit better. So if you think about what happened from Q2 to Q3, that was a little bit of the delta. Also, Verathon was really strong, specifically in the carrier space. Also had good broker expansions, but carriers has been an area that has been a focus for them. So good to see some new logo wins there. And then Aderant has been really strong as we've mentioned, but it's really good to see the balance of both expansion of existing customers and then some new logo wins with their Sierra Cloud products. So it's good to see that they're continuing to win in the market with new logos. And then when we think about the -- the fourth-quarter is going to be important, like, as I mentioned in terms of how that plays into next year and sort of how that will matriculate into revenue. But we're encouraged what we saw the last couple of quarters.

Yeah, we are -- obviously, we continue to have enterprise bookings momentum that will matriculate into revenue. And next year, the timing of which depends on implementation timeframes and customer go-lives. But yeah, I mean, it's definitely a trend that we're watching carefully.

That's good to hear. And just my secondary question. Neil, you commented earlier when you get into kind of business level commentary and kind of talent management moves you make. I think you talked about Procare and Frontline. I guess kind of -- what drove kind of some changes there? And I think you said go-to-market is the idea that, hey, they're doing well, but they could be doing even better or just maybe you could double-click a little bit into Procare and Frontline and what to expect with some of those leadership changes? Thank you.

Sure. So they're are two different things. I'll start with Procare. So, Procare, we identified in our diligence process that there is an opportunity to improve, modernize whatever word choice you want to pick, the go-to-market functions. And so within a couple of months of ownership, by the way, we shared those diligence finding and value-creation lever with the leadership team of Procare, they agreed with that. We made a leadership change. I like what's happening there, obviously the leadership change in go-to-market for Procare which by the way is an internal promote, it was somebody from within the company. And then, you can start attacking the underlying opportunities, which was there's a lead-generation opportunity. There's a way they actually staff the calls between inbound, outbound, between business development and closures. There's a compensation angle, there's call scripts around attach rates and upselling. So all that is happening and we're -- it's very early days, but starting to gain some encouragement, so that's starting to yield some fruit. So it was again a diligence finding where we thought there was a value creation lever attached to it and the team sort of attacked it pretty quickly. It's simply different. So our existing leader retired or indicated he wanted to retire. So we had an opportunity with Matt Strazza that we have a long history with. As I mentioned, hired, and came into the organization as the go to market leader at Deltek. Did a wonderful job there. Then his first CEO opportunity was the ConstructConnect. Just did a terrific job in terms of the way the business is run. It's very much run in a Roper style and he's a very growth-oriented leader. And so given that Frontline is one of our more attractive growth assets, we wanted a growth leader there. And it’s very early days. I mean, he's two months into the job or something like that at Frontline. And then [indiscernible] effect of that is the CFO at ConstructConnect, Buck Brody became the CEO of ConstructConnect and then the Head of FP&A became the CFO at ConstructConnect. So from an enterprise risk perspective, we're able to sort of promote and rotate leaders inside Roper. And essentially the outside hire is an FP&A leader at a business versus the CEO of one of our larger businesses. So it's a win-win for the organization and individuals.

That's great. That's very helpful. Thanks.

My pleasure.

Your next question comes from Scott Davis with Melius Research. Your line is now open.

Hey, good morning, guys.

Good morning, Scott.

I wanted -- just a little bit of a high-level question, but there was a lot of price in the last couple of years, not just you guys, pretty much everybody out there. But have you found any harder to get price incrementally? Are we back to kind of more normal? When we walk into 2025, for example, we would be back to kind of the more normal price increased cadence, particularly in software, obviously. But just a high-level picture, what do you see there?

I would say just, I would -- I seem to recall you asking a price question a few years ago as well. So for us on software, we've always had a pricing mechanism in the ARR snowball. Right. As a general matter, we trip -- we have 95-or-so-percent gross retention. So we're going to trip 5-or-so-percent. We're going to offset the vast majority of that at each business unit level with price. It's just in the algorithm, it's in the price expectation with the customers, it’s in what we do from a new product feature point of view with the R&D and efforts we support that obviously [cross-sell itself] (ph) from there to get you net retention in the 105-ish range across the blended enterprise. And we have net new on top of that. That I would say is a muscle that is very well understood and built. We can obviously get better. An example, we've gotten better with that over the last few years with PowerPlan, they didn't have that muscle built. Now it is built. But I would say we didn't get outsized pricing in software and so in the past and so it's just reverting to normal. On the tech businesses, I would say that's a little different. Most of the businesses would take price when they launch a new product. Now there's just a more normalized inflationary every year for 18 months or so opportunity to pass the regular wave of inflation across.

Yeah, typically medical product, too, it's all about new products versus price just because you're sort of bound by some of the customer contracts with hospitals and the like. But yeah, I think Neil's point on software is it's been part of the rhythm for a long time. A lot of what we've done in strategic plan reviews is understand key purchasing criteria and really unpacking that at a more detailed level for each of our businesses and that's helped them. It's provided some confidence or just some insight into what the customer thinks about the value proposition and that's been helpful as well.

Okay, yeah, that makes a lot of sense and it's consistent with what you said a couple of years ago. But hey guys, there's just a lot of debate as it relates to software around AI, Generative AI. But, I just wonder kind of your view now that you've had a chance to dig more into this and spend more time on it. It's certainly in your slide decks and you're launching products. But does the Generative AI essentially raise the barrier to entry because you have the relationship with the customer already and you can shorten your time to market on product innovation or is it the opposite, and people can come in with a lower priced product easier because just the development cycles are somewhat shorter? How do you guys think about that?

I think it's very much the former, the first. I mean it is -- if you think about what we're doing, first of all, it's the highest level. I mean it's a real thing. We're definitely, I think the whole market is in sort of the trough of disillusionment if you will. I mean the hype is -- the reality is starting to catch up with the hype. I would say the number of new use cases that are being created, I think just not only for Roper, but what we read externally is slowing but we're very much advancing the existing use cases whether it's internal productivity or customer-facing product stuff. I would remind you and everybody that from why we think this is an accelerator and sort of raises the barrier to entry is, to do Generative AI, I think you have to have two things. Well, right. And [Technical Difficulty] software businesses are naturally positioned better than others in regards to these two questions. The first is you need to have [elements I should say those] (ph) questions. You need to have the data that is very, very specific to what the question is you're answering. But then you also need to know what question to ask. And again the more nuanced the question, the better the generative tools are. And I'll give you a very simple example. We have a legal assortment of business that is the ERP backbone for large law firms, right? It's professional services project-based billing. The question is not how do you create a professional-based bill, it's how do you create a -- how does law firm A create a compliant bill for Roper Technologies? Right. And so the very specific bespoke questions, the nuanced questions is where the general tools really, really shine. So unless you, the incumbency really matters in that regard. So it's not about the -- we can develop software as faster, faster than any startup can build software from a generative point of view, but we have the incumbency and the data. I'll probably say verticalized software businesses generally and the incumbency in the data and the specific questions of which to sort of ask if you will.

That's good color and context. Thanks. Good luck, guys. Appreciate it.

Thanks.

Your next question comes from Steve Tusa with JPMorgan. Your line is now open.

Hi, good morning.

Good morning.

Just on the -- following up on Julian's question, on the NSS business for next year. So, which businesses are accelerating and how much of a headwind is that MHA benefit in the first quarter? And then will you be able to kind of get into that mid-single-digit range for that business next year?

So, I think, Steve, I think we want to stop short of even implying any guidance in the next year. What I would say just broadly across the enterprise is we like the momentum we're seeing in enterprise software bookings and the fact that it is normalized, a pretty normalized 2024 year from which to grow. You see the reacceleration heading into Q4. We expect those Q4 trends to carry into '25, but I think we want to just sort of stop there short of issuing guidance next quarter.

That's right. I think on MHA, we can call that as a couple -- MHA in Q1 is a couple of points of drag in Q1.

Got it. Okay. And then just lastly on cash. Obviously, a really strong result here. Seasonally, it steps up. How does it now behave seasonally in Q4? Last year, you were down, but not by much like basically kind of flat-to-down. Is that kind of the new seasonality? Or was there something unusual in Q4? Maybe just help us with this seasonality because it's definitely different than it's been in the past given the Frontline.

Yeah. Q4 used to be our strongest and now like I said, Q3 is our strongest. I think it will be -- we won't see quite the same increase in the fourth quarter as we did the third. Obviously, we got -- Transact came in. So that was helpful, but that's obviously, the strongest collections quarter as well. So that will -- it will be up, but not as much as Q3 in the fourth quarter.

Got it. Sorry, one more. Just on Vertafore, I didn't see it in the slides, any updates there?

Yeah, Vertafore had -- I think Jason mentioned in his prepared remarks, they had a couple of very, very nice wins in the quarter. You can't really talk about them quite yet. But we will be able to -- also they've had a very impactful product release and they have a product called BenefitPoint, which is the leading product for sort of managing the medical health insurance book. And the -- they have an automation feature that saves like 45 minutes per customer per -- per benefit plan. So this is tens of thousands of hours of productivity that were sort of given to our customers. It's a huge release. They worked on this for quite a bit. So, like what's happening with new product development point of view, couple of nice exciting wins and steady-as-she-goes.

Got it. Congrats on the cash. Thanks.

Thank you.

Your next question comes from Joe Giordano with TD Cowen. Your line is now open.

Hey guys, good morning.

Hey, Joe.

Hey, so on Neptune, it's good to hear the production issues have been fixed. Just curious, like we've been hearing some, like kind of mixed, I guess, about order patterns in that business. Like, I know almost everyone in that sector had like huge orders for a multi-year period and backlogs are really high. Are you getting any sense of like change in like the incoming flow from like a new bookings standpoint for Neptune?

I would say, it's very much what we expect and what you just described. So during the pandemic, I mean pre-pandemic, this was a four to eight-week lead time business, very much a book-and-ship type business. During COVID, we got -- our lead times gapped out to maybe 12 or 14 weeks, but we had 12 to 18 months of backlog ordered -- the order activity and now the order duration is compressing, but the number, the order volume, if you will, the repeat orders are not. So we're not -- it's just a -- instead of booking a year out, they're booking whatever six -- the customer booking six or nine months out. So that order of duration is coming in as expected. But nothing again for repetitive purposes, nothing from a number of meters that are being shipped to an account-by-account basis, that is all healthy.

Yeah, that makes sense. Just curious if any of your businesses, like, if you -- when you talk to the leaders, are any of them like super-excited or super nervous one way or another about the election outcome? Like, I know, I'm thinking maybe is Deltek get excited about a potential, like, an inflationary kind of spending spree from the government like this and I guess across the portfolio, is anything that you call out one way or the other?

As a general matter, I'd say we're apolitical and no. I mean we're not really impacted positive and negative by either the administration. Relative to Deltek, want to remind you and others is that the government always spends. The administration determines the nature of the spend. So if you go way back, in the Bush era it was defense and Obama was education and healthcare. And so the spend flow changes but the government contractors just position their capabilities where the flow of the federal spending is going. And so that's relatively -- it's just what their business is. I would say for '25, the '25 appropriations are actually pretty well understood at this stage and aren't going to change based on the election. That's why I think we're starting to see some of the enterprise government contracting activities starting to thaw a little bit, at least for the one year target, if you will, is relatively well understood.

Great. Thanks guys.

Yeah, thanks.

Your next question comes from Joe Ritchie with Goldman Sachs. Your line is now open.

Hey, good morning, guys. So my first question just a little bit longer-term. Neil, as you have these ambitions to grow the portfolio at a faster clip over the longer-term period, like, do you think you have the right portfolio in place or is there maybe some addition by subtraction to help you kind of achieve the ambitions of maybe more of like a high single-digit type organic growth number going forward?

I think we -- the portfolio we like, we think that there is, we have high confidence there's opportunity for every business inside of Roper to do better. No company has reached its full potential relative to its organic growth. What we like about our approach to improve organic growth is it tends to be quite sticky and sustainable. The downside is it takes time, right? There's no -- it doesn't happen in a year and we cited it at our Investor Day and I'll cite it here again. I mean a great example for us in TEP is our Verathon business. Eight or nine years ago, it was a low single-digit growth business. Now it's a low teens, maybe higher growth business, we think sustainably for quite some time and it takes, just, unfortunately, it takes time to get the strategy right to enable the strategy to build the talent offense to seed in deeply a culture of continuous improvement. We're four or five years in across the portfolio for that and so we're definitely gaining some traction but we like our odds in terms of being able to improve the organic growth. Then in addition, as I mentioned, I think one of the -- definitely one of the -- the first question today is as we deploy our capital, we're definitely tilting towards slightly higher growth businesses like the Transact combined with CBORD high singles, Procare mid-teens. So there's going to be a little bit of mix-up over time in terms of the portfolio mix.

Got it. That makes a lot of sense. And maybe just following up on that last point, with your leverage now around 3 times net leverage, and I recognize that the pipeline is still strong, do you expect to see any pause in M&A activity as you de-lever and then start to get a little bit more opportunistic or could you see yourself doing transactions in the next -- in the near-term, call it, the next three to six months?

Yeah. I mean the -- as Jason alluded, we've got $4 billion plus of M&A capacity as we sit today. Over the course of the next 12 months or so, we're very active in the M&A markets. It's a very attractive market. There's lots of sellers, one of the largest sponsors in the world, European sponsors on CNBC earlier this week and asked about what's the mantra, it's sell, sell, sell. So there's a lot of LP pressure, DPI matters a lot. And so there's essentially three or four years’ worth of deals that are compressing here in the next year or two. And so it's a very attractive market. We plan to be active in that.

Great to hear. Thank you.

Thank you.

Your last question comes from Christopher Glynn with Oppenheimer. Your line is now open.

Yeah, thanks. Was going to ask also about the deal dynamics out there. You answered the supply side. On the demand side, is that still very favorable to where you're seeing diluted buyer activity per deal?

In terms of the competitive intensity on a per deal basis, if that's the question, it's hard to ultimately know. I mean, I would call out that we did the Transact deal on a proprietary basis. I would say that our M&A teams are engaged in -- engaging in more proprietary or quasi-proprietary opportunities and I can recall quite some time. And -- but -- and I think it's -- so we know those are facts. I think where I would speculate a little bit with so many opportunities that are going to be coming out of the pipeline, I think all buyers are going to be a little more discerning early in processes, which might lead to a little bit lower competitive intensity, but hard to know that to be an absolute case.

Okay. And then in terms of Deltek and the general GovCon exposure, a lot of the stimulus in mega projects, a lot of compliance hurdles are gating that process. Are you seeing any increased letting or momentum in that? And what's the implication for those platforms in '25?

I would say the -- I would just refer back to what we were talking about before with GovCon. It has been for six quarters slowish based on the uncertainty. About four to six quarters slow based on the uncertainty of the government spending, the operation of the government. We saw some green shoots here in the last quarter or two relative, especially in the enterprise class. Some of the larger customers are starting to be acquisitive again of Deltek. The exact underpinnings of the drivers, some of that might be infrastructure, but some of it might be other things. That's not in our specific purview.

Okay. Thank you.

Yeah, Thank you.

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