Jonathan C. Javitt
Well, 5 years from now, if we're successful in what we aim to do with Hope Therapeutics, First of all, it will almost certainly be an independent company from NRx Pharmaceuticals. And the companies that we would hope people would look at are companies like DaVita and Fresenius that transformed the dialysis industry from disparate clinics where it was almost impossible for a consumer to know what kind of quality to expect to coherent networks of care delivery organizations where consumers had a reasonable expectation of consistent quality, consistent outcomes across the network. And investors enjoyed extraordinary financial success in the process. So our challenge is finding best-of-breed clinics that have really integrated the use of neuroplastic drugs, and this is a word you'll hear us using more and more. People talk about psychedelic therapy as if the hallucinations that are induced have something to do with the medical benefit. And they may. But in our view, what's really going on is that this class of drugs causes the brain cells to form new connections to other brain cells. That's a process called neuroplasticity. If you want to make a computer chip, you take a piece of silicon and you etch it with a laser, you may use programming to turn circuits on and off, but the circuits on the chip will be there for the end of time. The brain works completely differently. Brain cells are constantly branching, making new connections to other brain cells, pruning those connections and the evidence is that when that process of neuroplasticity stops, that's when you have severe depression, you have suicidality. And all of these drugs that are showing benefit are doing so in our view and in the evolving view of many of the scientists we talk to because they're causing neuroplasticity. So how do you do that? You can do it with ketamine and related drugs. There's evidence you can do it with the Psilocybin class of drugs, what people call the psychedelics. There are drugs over the horizon that achieved neuroplasticity without the hallucinations. You can achieve it with a treatment called transcranial magnetic stimulation, which is FDA approved, you put powerful electromagnets outside the head, and achieve profound changes on depression, on suicidality. There's emerging evidence that may work for autism for PTSD. And people are seeing benefits with hyperbaric oxygen therapy. I'm sure there will be other neuroplastic therapies coming down the pipe. Our objective with Hope Therapeutics is to identify best-in-class clinics that are already combining those treatments. The notion of a ketamine clinic where you can get IV ketamine on Mondays and peptides on Tuesdays and vitamins on Wednesdays, that's the opposite of what we think patients need. So we may be able to identify $100 million of acquisition of that kind of best-in- breed clinic. But very quickly, you'll see Hope shifting to a model of building clinics from the ground up to extend those flagship clinics that we acquire on day 1 because we don't think we can grow beyond $100 million or so just by acquiring clinics that already exist. So it's hard enough to talk about what we'll do next year versus 5 years from now. But I think 5 years from now, you're going to see a national network in place such that patients and families who are suffering from these conditions know to pick up the phone, call Hope Therapeutics and expect to have a life-changing opportunity to get better.