David A. Ciesinski
Yes. Well, great question, Jim. And maybe I'll start by framing it as follows. If you go back, let's say, 18 months or 1 year ago, the industry was still wrestling with inflation and passing through pricing, and I think that pricing that went through created value issues for a range of consumers, particularly consumers in the middle and the lower incomes that started to manifest itself in trade down. I think as we've rolled forward now, most of the operators have cycled past that pricing. And as we look at our core operators, we can see that they're not passed into pricing like they've had. And I would tell you, as a whole, it looks like commercial foodservice has modestly -- is either flat or very modestly improving within, let's say, the last couple of months. But when I say modestly, I mean about one point, approaching closer to flat. Now within there, it becomes somewhat divergent and a little bit different than we've seen in prior periods. We're seeing segments with higher price points like casual dining that are struggling a little bit more. And you've read about that. I know you follow the space. You're seeing the casual dining guys, the likes of Chili's and even Applebee's starting to perform a little bit better as they've really focused on simplifying their menus, their [ Bakehouse ] operations and striving to give consumers value. In the QSR space, I think we've seen them over the last, let's say, three quarters struggle with getting on the better side of pricing. And now we're starting to see their traffic get closer to flat overall. And that's, in fact, true with a lot of our customers. It's still below what we would have seen historically, but I would tell you, it's modestly improving. As we go forward, what we would expect is neither a catalyst for a significant downturn nor a significant improvement. I think we're just going to continue to operate in the sort of broader macro environment. Now bring it closer to us, where is it that we're going to find pockets of growth. I think there are several themes that remain true. One is you're going to see these operators continue to look for ways to present value. In the casual dining space, the Chili's and guys like that, I think you're going to see them continue to hover around meals for the $15 mark to attract guests and then look to plus that up with incremental items. In QSR, I wouldn't be surprised if we see things like what McDonald's has done around snacking and with chicken. And then I think the trend that really is going to continue to benefit us is going to play probably a couple of ways, and it's in chicken. The chicken operators continue to do better than most of the others, let's say, hamburger, et cetera. So I think that's going to present an opportunity for continued growth and an opportunity for us to continue to innovate with those operators that are out there. I also think I didn't talk about Pizza QSR. I think Pizza QSR will continue to be relevant, particularly as they focus on absolute price points. At the end of the day, consumers, I think, are trying to balance their sources and uses of cash. And they're still looking for affordable ways to feed their family and find sources of happiness. And I think Foodservice will continue to factor into that. The onus is on us to figure out ways to help these operators present that and grow.