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Good morning, and welcome to the MGP Ingredients First Quarter Earnings Call. [Operator Instructions] Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Amit Sharma, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Thank you. Good morning, and welcome to MGP's First Quarter Earnings Conference Call. I'm Amit Sharma, Vice President of Investor Relations, and joining me is Brandon Gall, Interim President and Chief Executive Officer and Chief Financial Officer; and Mark Davidson, Vice President, Corporate Controller and Head of Treasury. We will begin the call with management's prepared remarks before opening the call to analyst questions. Before we begin, this call may involve certain forward-looking statements. The company's actual results could differ materially from any forward-looking statements made today due to a number of factors, including the risk factors described in the company's annual and quarterly Reports filed with the SEC. The company assumes no obligation to upgrade any forward-looking statements made during the call, except as required by the law. Additionally, this call will contain references to certain non-GAAP measures, which we believe are useful in evaluating the company's performance. A reconciliation of these measures to the most comparable GAAP measures is included in today's earnings release, which was issued this morning before the market opened, and is available on our website at www.mgpingredients.com. At this time, I would like to turn the call over to Brandon Gall. Brandon?

Thank you, Amit. Good morning, everyone. I'd like to begin by offering a few highlights from our first quarter results. I'll then share some comments on the progress we're making on the key initiatives shared on our last earnings call, to stabilize our brown goods business, reposition our Branded Spirits and ingredients businesses for growth, accelerate our company-wide productivity agenda, and fortify our balance sheet. I Will then turn things over to Mark for a detailed review of our quarterly financials. Our first quarter results delivered an encouraging start to the year and set us on course to meet our full year guidance. While industry-wide barrel whiskey inventories remain elevated, and consumers are more cautious in the current environment, we saw signs of positive progress across all three of our businesses as our teams are focusing on our most impactful initiatives in executing with great discipline. These early signs of stabilization are encouraging and give us confidence that the proactive steps we're taking are beginning to take hold. Our productivity initiatives are off to a strong start, and we are leaning harder on our competitive strengths and positioning, enabling us to reaffirm our 2025 outlook. At the same time, we also took meaningful steps to fortify our balance sheet and further increase our financial flexibility during the first half of the year. As for the first quarter of 2025, results were in-line with our expectations. We believe this sets us up for improved performance throughout the rest of the year. Consolidated sales and adjusted EBITDA decreased 29% and 46% respectively from the prior year period, primarily due to the expected decline in the Distilling Solutions performance and cadence of the planned rebound in Ingredient Solutions' results. Branded Spirits segment sales declined by 4%, but our Premium Plus portfolio posted solid growth. Adjusted earnings per common share declined to $0.36 per share, while operating cash flows increased by nearly 82% to $44.7 million. I'll now take a moment to highlight the current operating environment and the progress we're making against each of our key initiatives. Starting with the Branded Spirits segment. Our key initiative for our Branded Spirits segment this year is focus. To focus on fewer but more attractive growth opportunities within our branded portfolio. Our Premium Plus portfolio continues to be the growth engine of the Branded Spirits segment, and we believe our Penelope, El Mayor, and Rebel 100 brands are particularly well positioned to benefit from our focus initiative. After demonstrated strong growth in 2024, these brands were the primary drivers of the 7% growth in our Premium Plus portfolio during the first quarter, as we refocused our brand investments behind our best opportunities. These actions, which include targeted digital campaigns, key sponsorship and sampling activations, and sharper in-store execution, are expected to expand consumer and trade awareness and engagement for these brands. Penelope's momentum continued with another quarter of strong growth. Innovation is a key component of the Penelope brand, and that trend continued with the launches of Penelope Wheated and Penelope ready-to-serve cocktails during the quarter. Penelope Wheated bourbon is off to a strong start in several key markets, with plans to further expand distribution over the coming months. Penelope ready-to-serve is the brand's first foray into the fast-growing prepared cocktail segment. It is now available in select markets, in the Penelope Peach Old Fashioned flavor, with plans to expand to additional markets and flavors throughout the summer. Our Rebel 100 premium offering also continues to gain momentum as we realign our Rebel brand. Our partnership with Richard Childress Racing, and the #8 Kyle Busch race car is enabling Rebel 100 to expand into markets and channels that are aligned with targeted consumer cohorts for this brand. Tequila continues to expand its share of the total spirits category, and our premium tequila brand, El Mayor is well positioned to benefit from this trend. We're launching updated packaging for El Mayor, including a new bottle in expanded sizes to complement our 750 ml offering. The updated packaging is based on feedback in collaboration with our key partners. It is expected to lift El Mayor shelf presence in in-store merchandising activities. As we look ahead, we have a pipeline of exciting innovation to further strengthen our Tequila portfolio and amplify our portfolio's rich heritage and craftsmanship. At the same time and as expected, sales of our mid and value tier brands declined during the quarter. This ongoing decline is consistent with overall consumer trends. However, we are taking appropriate actions intended to reduce this rate of decline, while opportunistically meeting consumers where they are in the current economic environment. For our Distilling Solutions segment, the main initiative is to strengthen our partnerships with customers. While brown goods volumes and pricing were down during the quarter, they were consistent with our expectations. As I mentioned on the fourth quarter conference call, we're taking decisive, proactive actions designed to derisk our brown goods business. These actions, which include working with customers to rely on their volume needs at market-based pricing are resonating. Our partnership-first approach is leading to more collaborative and constructive discussions, and in many cases, amending and extending supply contracts. This is an encouraging trend that seemed less likely just a few months ago. We're also taking steps to improve our partnership with craft customers, which has long been the foundation of MGP's brown goods heritage. We're tailoring solutions to attract new and past customers, and to establish MGP as their preferred brown goods partner. At the same time, our efforts to optimize our distillery cost structure are off to a good start, helping us cushion the impact of lower brown goods volumes and enabling us to manage margins and offer more competitive prices to our customers. We continue to be disciplined with our brown goods production and inventories. Our net whiskey put away is expected to be down materially in 2025 as compared to 2024, reflecting our decision to right size excess inventory, and further improve cash flows. The overall American whiskey category is also responding to the current environment with deeper production cuts. The most recent TTV production data which was released after our fourth quarter earnings call, is through the end of December 2024. This production data shows an increasing rate of decline in industry production volumes, with total whiskey production down 4% for the full year, down 8% for the last six months of 2024, and down 15% in the last 3 months of 2024. These declines are consistent with several recent news, articles about closures or furloughs by a number of whiskey distilleries. While it's difficult to accurately predict the timing and extent of the production reset, we believe the actions we are seeing across the industry are a clear signal that rationalization is underway. We believe the combination of scale, quality, reliability and customization that we bring to our brown goods customers is unmatched in the industry. We also believe that our proactive actions position us well to emerge with a stronger competitive position and give us confidence with our full year sales and profitability outlook for the Distilling Solutions segment. Turning to our Ingredient Solutions segment. Our key initiative here is execution. As expected, quarterly sales were impacted by supply disruption resulting from adverse weather and complexities associated with the closure of the Atchison distillery as well as the commercialization of new customers. That said the quarter was largely in-line with our expectations, and we expect sequential improvement in the second quarter as projects come online and customer order patterns normalize. Underlying demand for our specialty ingredients remain strong, and we are executing with great urgency. Our Fibersym branded specialty starch continues to gain traction, with food manufacturers seeking FDA approved dietary fiber solutions. In specialty proteins, we're making good headway with new customers in North America, especially in the plant-based and functional food categories. Operationally, we are executing several key initiatives. Our Deep Well project is fully operational, and our new biofuel facility is on track to go live in the second half of 2025. We believe these investments will reduce disposal costs, improve efficiency and further differentiate our capabilities in a competitive market. At the same time, we are increasing investments in our ingredients facility that are designed to increase throughput, improve reliability, and further streamline operations. Our teams are energized. Our customer pipeline is growing, and our commercial execution is improving. We are fostering operational execution with greater cross-functional collaboration to increase transparency, accountability and responsiveness. We believe these actions will help to unlock additional growth opportunities and further solidify our position as a leading specialty wheat ingredient supplier. Despite the soft quarter, we believe the Ingredient Solutions segment is well positioned for stronger performance for the remainder of the year. Turning now to our financial position. We made substantial progress on our initiative to fortify our balance sheet and enhance our liquidity with the upsizing of our credit facility, and the extension of our private placement shelf on favorable terms. Mark will provide more details on this in a moment, but I'm encouraged by the liquidity and financial flexibility the amended facilities provide in support of our growth agenda and other capital needs. Our balance sheet remains strong with net debt leverage well within our target range. We continue to generate solid operating cash flow, and we remain disciplined in our capital allocation, including working capital and CapEx. Our initiative to drive greater productivity across the enterprise is also taking hold. We have high productivity targets for the quarter and full year, and I'm pleased with our team's dedication and progress on this initiative. Our teams are identifying new efficiencies throughout the supply chain, streamlining processes and working to leverage our scale and capabilities to generate additional savings. While it's early days, we believe these efforts are laying the foundation for stronger execution of our strategic initiatives. With respect to tariffs, at present, based on what has been formally announced, we do not expect tariffs to have a material impact on our full year results. We will continue to closely monitor the tariff environment, particularly related to its potential impact on consumer confidence and purchasing behavior. Similar to our industry peers, we are not completely immune to tariff impacts, and are looking across our supply chain for additional opportunities to mitigate any potential headwinds. Given the encouraging first quarter results, we are reaffirming our 2025 guidance as we continue to expect net sales in the $520 million to $540 million range; adjusted EBITDA in the $105 million to $115 million range; and adjusted basic EPS in the $2.45 to $2.75 range with average shares outstanding of approximately 21.3 million; and full year effective tax rate of approximately 25%. Let me now hand it over to Mark for a review of our first quarter results.

Thank you, Brandon. For the first quarter of 2025, consolidated sales decreased 29% to $121.7 million, compared to the year ago period. Within our segments, Branded Spirits sales decreased by 4%. Our mid and value price brands declined by double digits during the quarter due to lower sales of certain tequila, liqueur, and cordials brands within those price tiers. While our Premium Plus sales increased by 7%, reflecting continued momentum in select American Whiskey and tequila brands. Distilling Solutions segment sales declined by 45%, primarily driven by a 49% decline in brown goods sales. First quarter warehouse service sales increased by 2%, while white goods sales declined by 51%, due to the phasing out of a number of white goods customer contracts in the wake of the Atchison distillery closure, as well as reduced production volumes of dried distillers grain. Ingredient Solutions sales decreased by 26% during the first quarter, driven by decreased sales volume of specialty wheat starches and decreased net price mix of specialty wheat proteins. The declines in specialty wheat starches and proteins were impacted by supply challenges resulting from adverse weather and complexities associated with the closure of the Atchison distillery, as well as the timing of commercialization of new customers. Consolidated gross profit decreased 31% to $43.3 million, primarily due to lower gross profits in the Distilling Solutions and Ingredient Solutions operating segments. Gross margin declined by 120 basis points to 35.6%. First quarter SG&A expense was relatively flat, up just 1% compared to the prior year period with a modest decline on an adjusted basis. Branded Spirits segment advertising and promotion expense of $7.7 million declined 1% from the year ago period. As we streamline our brand investments, we continue to expect our full year A&P to be down in 2025 compared to 2024. However, during the first quarter A&P spend for our Penelope, El Mayor and Rebel brands collectively was higher than the year ago period as we are intentionally focusing on our most impactful opportunities within the segment. We expect A&P spend for these three key brands collectively to be higher for the full year 2025, compared to 2024. First quarter adjusted EBITDA decreased 46% to $21.8 million as lower gross profits more than offset reductions in adjusted SG&A and advertising and promotion costs. Net income for the first quarter decreased to a loss of $3.1 million due to lower gross profit and a $10.6 million increase in the fair value of the contingent consideration liability, reflecting a stronger than expected performance of the Penelope brand. On an adjusted basis, net income decreased 68% to $7.8 million. Basic earnings per common share decreased to a loss of $0.14 per share, while adjusted basic EPS decreased 66% to $0.36 per share. Please note that our adjusted basic EPS included a $0.07 per share unfavorable tax impact related to the vesting of share-based awards granted in prior years during periods of higher stock prices. We continue to prioritize strong cash generation by managing our working capital and reducing our barrel inventory put away. Our first quarter cash flow from operations was $44.7 million, up from $24.6 million during the prior year period, driven primarily by favorable working capital changes. Our net whiskey put away was $12 million during the quarter, which was up versus the prior year period due primarily to the timing of whiskey production within the year, as our planned reductions in production volume are more heavily weighted towards the remainder of the year. We continue to expect full year net whiskey put away of $15 million to $20 million, down significantly from $33 million in 2024. Capital expenditures declined 38% versus the prior year period to $8.1 million for the first quarter. We continue to expect full year 2025 capital expenditures of $36 million, representing a nearly 50% decline compared to 2024. Our balance sheet remains healthy, and we are well capitalized with debt totaling $297.1 million as of the end of the first quarter, after net payments on debt of $26.6 million during the quarter, leaving us with $548.4 million in availability under our debt facilities. We ended the quarter with a cash position of $20.1 million, and our net debt leverage ratio remained largely stable at approximately 1.6 times. On April 24, 2025, we successfully upsized our credit facility from $400 million to $500 million and extended its maturity from 2026 to 2030. We also increased the size of the accordion feature from $100 million to $200 million. In addition, we extended our shelf for issuing up to $250 million of senior secured promissory notes from 2026 to 2028. These increased commitments at competitive terms are a testament to the strength of our balance sheet and give us additional financial flexibility to address our cash needs, which include the expected settlement of our contingent consideration liability related to the Penelope acquisition, the refinancing of our convertible notes, if desired and the execution of our strategic growth agenda. With that, let me hand it over to Brandon before opening for your questions.

Thanks, Mark. To close, we are pleased with our start to 2025. The first quarter unfolded as expected with early signs of stabilization across all 3 segments. We're executing our strategy with discipline and agility, leaning into our premium brand focus, enhancing customer partnerships in Distilling Solutions, and revitalizing Ingredient Solutions. Branded Spirits is now our largest segment, and we believe it will be the foundation of our growth as we continue to move forward on our journey toward becoming a premier Branded Spirits company. Earlier this month, with a focus on long-term shareholder value creation, our Board of Directors took steps to strengthen its ranks in anticipation of our next chapter of growth. Finally, I want to thank the entire MGP team for their hard work and agility. We're confident in our team, our strategy and our ability to navigate the current environment, while building long-term shareholder value. That concludes our prepared remarks. Operator, we're ready to begin the question-and-answer portion of the call.

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Marc Torrente from Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

Hi, good morning gentlemen. First, just on your visibility into the outlook, I guess, specifically on Distilling Solutions. You've talked about proactively working with your customers to recalibrate pricing and order volumes. Maybe how much of your customer base have you made those adjustments with? What's been the general feedback? And how does that flow through to your outlook in terms of volume cadence, and also any pricing resets for the year?

Yes, thanks for the question Marc. We introduced this concept of leaning into partnership for Distilling Solutions last quarter. And very, very, very pleased to say that the team has reached out to, and had discussions with 100% of our contracted customers this year. The vast majority of those discussions has led to either the customer confirming their current orders for volume, price and timing or modifying them in some way. So the vast majority of those customers have given us feedback. They have come back to us and said, You know what, I need this volume, not that volume. Or you know what, I need this -- more of this mash bill, not that mash bill. My pricing is a little high compared to what I'm seeing. We'd appreciate if you can maybe give us a more competitive price. In other cases, Marc, they've asked us to say, hey, I know I'm due to purchase it this quarter. Can I maybe do it in a later quarter or vice versa. So any combination of those three or four opportunities we're seeing. And it's been a game changer to use our sales team's word for it, because it's changed the tenor of the conversation and the tone. And it's really opened things up. In fact, not only does it give us greater visibility for 2025, but some of these conversations have even led to extensions beyond '25. So on that latter point, we still have more work to do, and a lot more conversations to have, but the signs are very encouraging, and the team is doing a great job.

Okay. I appreciate the color there. And then I guess, is your outlook for the segment still in line with prior expectations? And then just any additional color on margins, specifically for Distilling Solutions. They are well ahead of expectations, at least from our end. How did those come in versus your own expectations? How much of that is from your cost savings actions versus maybe baseline business performing better? And how do you see that progressing through the year?

Yes. So firstly, I'll start, and I'll let Mark chime in with some of the details. So firstly, the vast majority of those discussions that have resulted into either confirmed or modifications. And most of those have been modifications. That's all contemplated in our forward guide, Marc. So when we put those numbers together back in February and last spoke, we really -- the team really took a hard pause to think okay, what is going to get it done in the market. And so we are still seeing things within those expectations. So the pricing volume, everything I just mentioned is contemplated. Then as far as -- Mark, I'll let you take the numbers here for how it relates to the year.

Yes. As far as our full-year expectations for the Distilling Solutions segment, those still remain. We communicated we expect sales for the year to be down 50%; gross profit to be down 65% for the year for the segment. That's still what we are expecting. When you look at the first quarter, sales and gross profit were only down 45%. But again, I believe, as we mentioned in February, that's a cadence. We expect the Distilling Solutions segment to have stronger first half results than second half, due to timing of contracts and how those play out and fall off in the back half of the year.

And just to add to that, the modifications we are speaking of, in a lot of cases, weren't adjusted in Q1, but they will be adjusted as the year goes on to. So that's what we are seeing for that segment in 2025, Marc.

Understood. Thanks.

The next question comes from Bill Chappell from Truist Securities. Please go ahead.

Good morning. Just some maybe quantification on a few of the issues, and I'll kind of rapid fire. One, what percentage or where are we in terms of the new distillate negotiations? And when do you think that to be at 99%? Two, you talked about, hey we are taking steps to stabilize or improve our Branded Spirits, the mid and lower tier. Can you maybe give us some examples of what you're doing, and what you're doing differently, and how that should change in the near term? And then three, on Ingredient Solutions. I guess I didn't really understand or maybe you could explain to us why after this quarter, you are more optimistic that things will improve later this year. So some examples or something behind that, just to give us confidence, because that's the business we have kind of least visibility into. Thanks so much.

Thanks for the question Bill. So on Distilling Solutions, let's start there. That is where you started. We expect to come to this conclusion as soon as we can on the remaining 25% or so of customers that we're still negotiating for this year's contract. But the good news is that we are not hearing anything that's making us think differently about our guide at this point in time. So we feel that's very, very encouraging. So we'll wait until next quarter's call. But I think if we continue to make the progress we're making, we are going to have a good answer by then. So secondly, on Branded Spirits, mid and value stabilization. Yes, a lot of the Q1 softness was anticipated by us, but we do know that we've got to take measures to reduce the decel of those sales declines. So what we are doing is, what we've already talked about is putting in more discount pricing and price support for some of the mid and value brands. It's very competitive in some of those areas, specifically for tequilas, cordials and liqueurs. And so a lot of that price support was contemplated, and it is still making its way through the market, and we expect that to take hold in subsequent quarters. And then finally, Bill on your ingredients question, yes, so the quarter as tough as it was, it came in largely within our expectations. And we called out the whys on the Q4 call, namely the weather impact from the cold and snow we saw in early January. We also talked about the customer choppiness. Both those things played out. What we also had additionally was some operational uptime issues, of which we are addressing and solving through our CapEx programs this year. So what gives us confidence on that front is, first let us start with operations. So operationally, we have two really important projects that we need to complete this year. The first one is the deep well project that was completed in the first quarter. The second one being the biofuel facility, that is still on schedule to be up and running, and having an impact on the second half of the year for that business. In fact, I was in Atchison with the team last week. The spill was delivered and a ceremony was had for the employees there. So we are making great progress on those projects. Additionally, staying with operations, we need to have more reliability, and we need to improve our overall equipment effectiveness. And that said, we've got the largest amount of maintenance and reliability CapEx budgeted for this year than we have in the last five or more years. So the team is very focused there on solving for those two projects and improving our reliability to get the product we need. On the commercialization front. For specialty wheat starches, the demand is there. It is been the production issues that we've had that have kept our inventories low and has been a fulfillment challenge for the team. So as we improve our operations and our reliability, that should take care of itself. Secondly, on specialty protein, for the second quarter in a row, we saw a rise growth from a volume standpoint. However, due to the customer onboarding choppiness that we mentioned, the customer mix in the quarter wasn't the optimal level and where we expect it to be. That being said, we expect Q2 and the subsequent quarters to get better. In fact, we are already seeing orders from those right customers in April and May for Arise specialty protein. And then for our ProTerra specialty protein, the team continues to make a lot of progress there. I mentioned the 3 inclusions that the R&D team is developing. Those are ready to go, and are undergoing trial with potential customers as we speak. And the team is still very, very dedicated and focused on bringing in customers, mostly for the second half of this year, Bill. So there is a lot that gets us excited. We've got to execute. The theme for this segment is execution, both operationally and commercially. This team is more than capable of doing it. They've done it in the past. But operationally and commercially, they've been throwing some curveballs, but I'm very proud with how they're responding, and that's what gives us confidence.

Got it. And then just second, just kind of follow up on the new distillate business. If we're looking at it kind of as a trailing 12-month EBITDA, and it is coming down as you're renegotiating and lowering the volumes, like when do we hit a plateau? When does that: "Okay, this is the trough. We now know what the base case is, and we can start growing from here. Is that end of this year? Does that move into next year? Do you understand what I'm asking? And just trying to look at that business in particular, with the negotiation of how then we can model and say, okay, this is the base case and here's where we go.

Yes. Great question, and that's what we talk about internally quite a bit. And we shared on our last call that the elevated inventory of barrels in the industry, we expect to that overhang to persist into 2026. That being said, we are not waiting for that to take care of itself. We're taking the proactive actions that we've been discussing. And so our goal there is to bring that plateau forward as quickly as possible. We are making great progress there. We still have more work to do. The team is operating with that partnership approach, and it's resonating. We need a little bit more time, Bill to keep doing what we're doing, but we are seeing good signs both internally and externally. We shared some of the TTV data, that's updated through the end of 2024. And the production deceleration over the course of the year was pretty dramatic, which isn't necessarily anything you'd expect to want to see, but it's the rational behavior that we're looking for in our industry. So we are starting to see the right signs of progress and stabilization, Bill. It's still a little bit too early to make a definitive call. So just give us some more time. We know we're doing the right things.

Great. Thanks so much.

The next question comes from Robert Moskow from TD Cowen. Please go ahead.

This is Seamus Cassidy, on for Rob Moskow. So on your last call, you noted that you expected Premium Plus sales within branded for the year to be roughly flattish, partially due to a cutback on sort of the allocated barrel offerings, where demand has slowed. Given the plus 7% in 1Q and you sort of noted that innovation had performed well; is it fair to say that things came in a little ahead of expectation? Or is it sort of just a timing element with regards to innovation?

Yes. I think -- great question. It was a very encouraging quarter for Premium Plus. It was led by Penelope's great growth, and its ability to continue using innovation as its platform to resonate with customers. But also El Mayor, and Rebel 100, and Rebel Premium also showed growth in the quarter. So a lot of that was expected, and we are very encouraged by it. But Penelope for the quarter did come in a bit above expectations which is why we took the contingent liability up in the quarter on our balance sheet, which is a great sign. So it's too early to revise our full year outlook on where we think Premium Plus is going to come in, Seamus. But like you said, we are off to a really good start.

Understood. And then given sort of like the pricing actions within branded that you called out on mid and value, how should we think about the evolution of the margin profile for the segment? For a while now, there is sort of been this structural tailwind of the growing Premium Plus mix. But presumably, if you take some of those pricing actions, that would also boost volume on your mid- and value brands. So just sort of how you're thinking about that and balancing the profit and margin implications. Thanks.

Yes. It sounds like you've been sitting around our table internally. That's what we are talking about quite a bit. Yes, the price support we mentioned on the Q4 call is rolling out, it is not necessarily taking effect on the shelf as quickly as we had anticipated, but it's still making its way out to the shelf, into the consumer. And I mentioned tequila being one of those categories within our mid and value brand portfolio that's seeing some of the headwind. And I think a lot of the pricing we are seeing out in the market that's being reduced at the shelf is a result of reduction in costs, particularly agave costs. So it's really -- that's part of the competitive rates that we're all in. And so what I'm trying to say, Seamus, is not -- at least in some cases, reducing price doesn't necessarily mean there's going to be a one-for-one trade-off of margin in this environment.

Understood. Thanks.

The next question comes from Sean McGowan from ROTH Capital. Please go ahead.

Thanks very much. Appreciate it. Two questions. Can you talk about whether or not you think there was any impact in terms of customer demand from anticipated tariffs? Like are there any customers that work in Europe, are they ordering more because they think there might be an increase in tariffs later even if it's not there now?

Are you talking for Distilling Solutions, Sean, can you help me answer that? Yes.

Yes, Distilling Solutions. I know it's kind of direct, and you don't have a clear view of what they're doing, but do you think there might have been any kind of a pull forward?

Not that we're seeing, a lot of our conversations have been around contracts, as we've mentioned. And a lot of the volume and timing on those were put in place well before the tariffs in a lot of senses. So we are not necessarily seeing that. Definitely didn't see it in the quarter. But that doesn't mean that potentially finished goods by our customers or other industry participants didn't move around, but we don't have as much insight into that.

And then the other question was you noted the improved or kind of a better than expected performance of Penelope. That seems like a bit of a turnaround. Weren't you talking last quarter about how maybe you weren't expecting to see as much upside in Penelope as you had earlier thought? Or can you talk a little bit about that?

Yes. I appreciate that. So yes, two things. Number one, we never said that we don't have strong expectations for Penelope. In fact, the expectations we have going into this year were very high. We did temper them back a little bit, coming into Q4. But then two things have happened. Number one, the brand really performed well in the quarter. And so that's not necessarily changing our full outlook, but it's definitely, like I said to Seamus, it's a good start for the brand and for Premium Plus, for us. But what it also does because Q1 came in so strong, the accounting will say that you've got to now accelerate your contingent liability, which is what we did in the quarter. So we are still very, very, very optimistic about this brand. It is performing really, really well, in a very difficult consumer backdrop, and we are excited for the things to come as it relates to Penelope.

Great. Okay, thank you very much.

The next question comes from Mitch Pinheiro from Sturdivant. Please go ahead.

Good morning. Most of my questions have been asked. Just a couple here. One, when I look at the barrel distillate, it was up 16% year-over-year, even up sequentially. Is that rise solely from your Branded Spirits business? Or is there any of that coming from the Distilling Solutions?

Yes. When you talk about that increase, are you talking about on the put away side?

Yes. Correct.

Yes. So Mitch, so that is solely for our branded -- in support of our Branded Spirits business. And the reason that has increased in Q1, despite what we've indicated is going to be a decrease for the full year. We're expecting $15 million to $20 million for the full year, down from $33 million last year. So the reason that's heavy in Q1 is just due to timing of production. So our planned production reductions out of our distilleries for the year have been more heavily weighted to the remainder of the year. And so as a result, our Q1 production was higher than it will be the rest of the year. And as a result our put away in support of our brands was higher.

Yes. And that's all part of our productivity initiative Mitch, where we had to move around our scheduling for -- to maximize efficiency and keep cost competitive. And so that's the way it played out, and I can get into a lot more detail, but I'll spare you all from that. But yes, so the takeaway is, it was up in the quarter, but we are still expecting $15 million to $20 million in total net put away this year, which is down from the $33 million last year, and that $15 million to $20 million is for Branded Spirits.

So if you were to disclose the barrel distillate for your Distillery Products versus your Branded Spirits, is it fair to say that the Distillery Products business put away was down, not in the put away, but the actual level of distillate. Is that down?

Yes, because there were aged sales in the quarter. So those aged sales would be a reduction in the Distilling Solutions inventory. And given the inventory that was added in the quarter was for brands, yes, that's right. Distilling Solutions overall position would be reduced by that amount.

Okay. And then based on your comment prior about production and productivity and the timing, when you are putting away this new aged distillate, is it going to have a higher cost just because your throughput for fixed cost is lower? Or are these -- or is the embedded margin in the distillate that you are putting away consistent with prior years?

Yes. Great question. Yes. So any overhead absorption is going to be impacted by the volume we produce. And yes, the assumption there is right Mitch, is that the less we produce, the more that overhead has to get spread over fewer barrels, which is why we were very vocal about the productivity initiatives we are putting in place for the year on the Q4 call. So a lot of that has to do with scheduling, as we mentioned, a lot of it has to do with going back to our suppliers and vendors, and having the same partnership conversation we're having with our customers. And so we're doing all the right things, I think, to make our cost structure as competitive as possible. Because we know that's what our customers need. And we feel like we're well suited from an operational standpoint to do that in a lot of ways. So we like our positioning there, as well as the tax we are taking.

And that is passed on into the guidance numbers that we've given as well.

Yes. And then, when I -- it looks like we are starting to see a little more promotional pricing in the whiskey category, just both anecdotally and just what I've seen on -- in some of my data. And -- but it appears it is more tame than I would have thought. Is there -- are producers not only industry-wide, are they kind of hanging on to price? Or are we -- what seems to be – we are starting to see a little more value being driven instead of getting -- you're seeing older product getting some 6 year, 8 year kind of product out there as opposed to 4-year. Are we starting to see sort of like the pricing almost inherent being given to consumers in the form of better value product? Is that how the industry you think is going to approach like promotion and holding on to price?

Yes. I think that's the challenge in the spirits industry is that our product can last on the shelf at retail or even the shelf at home for quite a while. So I think a lot of consumers rather than buying that incremental bottle even for a slightly reduced price, a lot of them are just maybe tricking more of what they have at home. And so it is really hard to draw that direct correlation necessarily as it relates to spirits and American whiskey, but that could explain maybe part of the behavior you are seeing now, Mitch and that we're seeing maybe more generally. But what I will say with -- one example is -- could be our Penelope brand. And what the team is doing such a great job there of doing is when they are coming forward with innovation, it is with an eye to where the consumer is today. And there's a lot of the macro headwinds that are affecting consumers in the United States and outside the United States, as we are all aware. And when we bring forward a brand or an innovation like Penelope Wheated at that $35 to $39 price point, that's now making one of our Penelope products more approachable for a consumer that shops in that price range which is exactly where we want them to be. So now we're giving them that gateway into, not only the American whiskey category, but our Penelope brand. And just one more example, and we mentioned it on the prepared remarks, Mitch, is our Penelope Peach Old Fashioned. This is our first ready-to-serve, ready-to-pour product for Penelope. It came out in the quarter. And this is going to retail more in the $20 to $30 range. So again, it is going to be even more approachable from a consumer standpoint, and also a great entry point and on-ramp into the category, and into the Penelope family for consumers.

Thank you.

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Ben Klieve from Lake Street Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

I have just a quick one regarding the ongoing CEO search. And so curious, one, if you could just provide any kind of general updates. But specifically, I'm also wondering the degree to which all of the kind of strategic initiatives that you have embarked on of late are -- if any of these strategic initiatives you considered are being held back, given the ongoing CEO search. Apologies for the poorly worded question there.

No, no worries, Ben. Great question. So CEO search is still underway. These searches take time. And we've even shared from the start that it's not uncommon for CEO public company searches to last 4 months to 8 months. And I've also read that the smaller the market cap, the longer it can take. So -- but that doesn't mean that the Board is not very focused on this, and it is a top priority. But what we are also seeing, though, is other changes in leadership at the Board level and reevaluating the individuals on the Board at the Director level and positioning that Board to make important decisions, and to guide us in the future. So just because the CEO search is still ongoing, it doesn't mean that we're not making great strides from a leadership perspective as a company. Yes. And as it relates to strategic initiatives, Ben, hopefully, you're picking up the fact that we're not just waiting around. We don't have that luxury right now. And so the team is taking action. I could not be more proud of the team throughout the organization. This has been an absolute pleasure of mine to be able to work even more closely and cross functionally with them over the last few months. And so yes, we are taking action. We are seeing things through the same lens and aligning. And because we do -- we don't have a choice Ben. And the time is now, and I'm very, very proud with the decisive actions the team is taking.

Great. I appreciate that. Thanks for the question and thank you.

Thank you Ben.

There are no more questions in the queue. This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Brandon Gall for any closing remarks.

Thank you for your interest in our company and for joining us today for our first quarter earnings call. We look forward to meeting with many of you over the next few weeks.