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EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT
EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT 2015 - Q4
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Executives

Dan Platt - Treasurer John Walsh - President and CEO Kirk Oliver - CFO Jerry Sheridan - President and CEO, AmeriGas Propane.

Analysts

Lin Shen - HITE Nathan Judge - Janney Montgomery Scott.

Operator

Good morning. My name is Lean and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to UGI AmeriGas Fourth Quarter 2015 Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers’ remarks there will be question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Thank you.

Dan Platt, Treasurer of UGI, you may begin..

Dan Platt

Thank you, Lean. Good morning and thank you for joining us. As we begin, let me remind you that our comments today will include certain forward-looking statements which management of UGI and AmeriGas believe to be reasonable as of today’s date only.

Actual results may differ significantly because of risks and uncertainties that are difficult to predict and many of which are beyond management’s control.

You should read our Annual Reports on Form 10-K for a more extensive list of factors that could affect results, but among them are adverse weather conditions, cost volatility and availability of all energy products, increased customer conservation measures, the impact of pending and future legal proceedings, domestic and international political, regulatory and economic conditions, currency exchange rate fluctuations, the timing of development of Marcellus shale gas production, the timing and success of our commercial initiatives and investments to grow our business and our ability to successfully integrate acquired businesses and achieve anticipated synergies.

UGI and AmeriGas undertake no obligations to release revisions to their forward-looking statements to reflect events or circumstances occurring after today.

In addition, our remarks will reference certain non-GAAP financial measures that management believes provide useful information to investors to more effectively evaluate the year-over-year results of operations of the Companies.

These non-GAAP financial measures are not comparable to measures used by other companies and should be considered in conjunction with performance measures, such as cash flow from operating activities.

With me today are Hugh Gallagher, CFO of AmeriGas Propane, Kirk Oliver, CFO of UGI Corporation, Jerry Sheridan, President and CEO of AmeriGas Propane and your host, President and CEO of UGI Corporation, John Walsh.

John?.

John Walsh

Thanks, Dan. Good morning and welcome to our call. I trust that you’ve all had a chance to review our press releases reporting full year results for UGI and AmeriGas.

I’ll comment on our key activities, provide an overview of our full year results and fiscal ‘16 guidance and then turn it over to Kirk, who’ll provide you with a more detailed review of UGI’s financial performance.

Jerry will follow with an overview on AmeriGas and I’ll wrap up with comments on key developments on our strategic projects and initiatives as well as some additional comments on the outlook for fiscal ‘16.

Our full year GAAP EPS was $1.60, while our adjusted EPS was $2.01, which was roughly in line with the record adjusted EPS delivered in fiscal ‘14.

The adjusted EPS in ‘15 excludes the negative impact of mark-to-market losses of $0.30 along with the combined negative $0.11 impact of acquisition and transition cost associated with the Totalgaz acquisition and the loss on early extinguishment of debt at Antargaz.

Our 2015 adjusted EPS includes a penny of operating loss associated with Totalgaz operations for the period subsequent to the acquisition. Our adjusted EPS is consistent with our comments on the Q3 earnings call.

The earnings delivered in 2015 represent a significant accomplishment for the company as we match last year’s record results despite weather that was warmer than fiscal ‘14 for all of our domestic businesses. Our guidance for fiscal ‘16 of $2.15 to $2.30 assumes normal weather and volatility in our service categories.

The midpoint of our fiscal ‘16 guidance represents an 11% increase in EPS versus fiscal ‘15 and an 11% compound annual growth rate for the fiscal ‘13 to fiscal ‘16 three year period.

This significant growth in EPS demonstrates the underlying strength of our businesses as contributions from our major new investments and organic growth across our businesses more than offset the impact of an assumed return to normal weather and volatility.

It’s important to note that margin contribution from most of our new projects is supported by long term fee based commitments. These capital projects which primarily address the infrastructure gap in the Marcellus are not materially impacted by changes in the underlying commodity prices.

Kirk will comment in more detail on our fiscal ‘15 performance and our fiscal ‘16 outlook in a few minutes. Fiscal ‘15 was an exceptional year for UGI on numerous fronts.

While we didn’t see the weather extremes of fiscal year ‘14 colder than normal weather in Eastern U.S., extended volatility of pipeline capacity values in the Mid-Atlantic region and strong operational performance enabled us to deliver a second consecutive year of record earnings.

Although we faced some challenges in fiscal ‘15 AmeriGas experienced warm weather in the Western and Southwest U.S. and Europe suffered through another extremely warm winter, we demonstrated the earnings power of our diverse businesses.

In addition to execute in all the activities related to demand growth and new investments, we maintained our focus on our core activities of unit margin management, expense control, working capital management and the delivery of organic growth. I’d like to comment briefly on a few of our key fiscal ‘15 achievements.

Our midstream marketing team continues to play a major role in the build out of critically needed gas infrastructure in the Marcellus.

We successfully completed several significant projects including our Auburn III expansion, the Union Dale Lateral and the LNG expansion at Temple, while developing major new midstream projects that position us exceptionally well for future growth. I’ll comment in these new projects later in the call.

I haven’t commented in recent calls on the gas marketing business within midstream and marketing. This business has been a strong performer for us over the past two decades and we delivered solid volume growth in fiscal ‘15 through our targeted gas marketing programs in the Mid-Atlantic region.

Our weather adjusted customer volumes are increasing and we’re pleased with the potential for continued growth as we enter fiscal ‘15. Our gas utility continues to deliver strong customer growth, while executing major infrastructure replacement programs.

We added approximately 15,000 new residential heating customers in fiscal ‘15 and 2,400 new commercial accounts. The progress in the commercial sector was noteworthy as addition to up about 16%.

Utilities also completed several large capital projects in fiscal ‘15, including a pipeline to serve a new Panda Power generation facility in like Lycoming County. We’re also seeing very strong underlying customer demand as lower delivered gas cost in our service territories influences consumer behavior.

The most significant impact of this robust core demand is the resetting of peak demand levels. One final note on utilities, our cast-iron and bare steel infrastructure replacement programs remains on track and we’re maintaining our accelerated schedule.

Jerry will provide you with an overview of AmeriGas’s performance, but I’d like to comment on couple of specific items. Our financial performance which was below our EBITDA guidance largely reflects the weather challenges faced by the business. We continue to make very good progress with our ACE and national accounts programs.

Fiscal ‘15 was particularly strong for national accounts as we grew volume for those major customers by 14%. Fiscal year ‘15 was a milestone year for our international propane business as we significantly expanded the scale of our operations with the acquisition of Total LPG Distribution business in France.

The deal closed on May 29th and we’ve been very pleased with our progress over the first five months. This business will be significantly accretive in fiscal ‘16 and financial performance will improve as we integrate and align our activities in France over the next 36 to 48 months.

We also closed an acquisition of Total LPG Distribution business in Hungary, while the scale of this business is relatively small; this investment strengthens our position in one of the largest LPG markets in Eastern Europe.

As our business grows and the energy sector becomes increasingly complex, we’ve maintained our commitment to excel in most critical activities we undertake safety, customer service and operational efficiencies.

Our team did an exceptional job serving UGI’s customers in 2015 despite the challenges of another cold Mid-Atlantic winter, while executing a range of capital projects that is unparalleled in our history.

I’ll return to comment on our strategic initiatives, but I’d like to turn it over to Kirk at this point for the financial review, Kirk?.

Kirk Oliver

Thanks, John and good morning, everybody. Our strong results for fiscal year ‘15 were driven largely by colder than normal weather in the Mid-Atlantic region of the United States, which resulted in significant demand and price volatility for natural gas.

Although significantly colder than normal in this region it was still slightly warmer than last year and results for our natural gas businesses UGI utilities and midstream and marketing were up slightly versus the record setting performances we experienced last year. On the LPG side all of our businesses both in the U.S.

and in Europe experienced much warmer-than-normal temperatures, which put downward pressure on volumes. Turning first to the natural gas side of the business, utilities reported income before taxes of about $187 million, which is down $12 million or about 6% versus the utilities record performance last year.

Throughput to core customers increased 1% in spite of weather that was 4% warmer this year. This is driven largely by higher core market volumes due to a 2% increase in core market customers.

Total margin increased by $4 million reflecting higher core market margin and greater large firm delivery service margin partially offset by lower margin from interruptable customers.

Operating expenses were up about $13 million, reflecting increases in distribution system expenses of about $5 million, higher employee benefits and other general administrative expenses. Depreciation expense increased $4 million, reflecting the effects of greater distribution system capital expenditures.

Midstream and marketing posted another strong year reporting income before taxes of $183 million down $13 million versus last year’s record performance.

Total margin is down about 3% reflecting lower gas marketing margin, a decline in peaking and capacity management margin and slightly lower electric generation margin partially offset by higher retail power and gas gathering margins.

In fiscal years ‘14 and ‘15, our midstream and marketing business benefited from increased volatility in the Mid-Atlantic region of the United States. This chart shows the spot price comparison for natural gas in Texas Eastern Zone III for the four most recent winter heating seasons.

The bold blue line shows prices for the fiscal year ‘14 season and the bold red line for the fiscal year ‘15 season. The ‘14 season experienced some extreme pricing peaks in January whereas prices in ‘15 were not as extreme but were strong for several months.

Turning now to the LPG businesses, with reporting operating income at AmeriGas of $427.6 million, which is down $44 million or 9% versus last year. The decrease in total margin was driven by the effect of warmer weather on volume partially offset by higher unit margins. Retail volume was down by over 90 million gallons or 7% versus last year.

The decrease in operating expenses reflects lower vehicle expenses primarily reflecting lower fuel cost and lower uncollectable accounts expense partially offset by higher insurance related expenses. Jerry will discuss AmeriGas results in more detail in a few minutes.

For UGI International, we achieved adjusted earnings before tax of $109 million as shown on the bottom of the slide. These results include four months of operations Finagaz since the closing of the acquisition on May 29th of this year.

The lower local currency to US dollar translation rates reduced net income, but this decrease was largely offset by gains from foreign currency exchange contracts.

We hedge our currency exposure by layering in hedges on a rolling three year basis so that in effect a majority of the forward year exposure is always locked in at the average exchange rate of the prior three years. Total US dollar denominated margin is up $24 million driven primarily by the addition of Finagaz gas margin.

On a local currency basis and excluding the margin from Finagaz total UGI International margin was up versus last year driven by higher unit margins due to the significant drop in LPG prices and modestly higher volumes versus last year.

Operating and administrative cost are up $23.5 million, reflecting the operation of Finagaz for four months plus $22.6 million of acquisition and transition cost.

Interest expense is up by $5.2 million versus last year reflecting a $10.3 million charge associated with the early extinguishment of death at Antargaz, partially offset by significantly lower borrowing cost.

The bottom half of the slide shows the adjustments to earnings before taxes for the onetime items related to the acquisition and transition cost associated with Finagaz and the early retirement of death at Antargaz. As we previously disclosed we expect the acquisition of Finagaz to be accretive in its full year of operations, which is fiscal ‘16.

The integration has been progressing as planned and we estimate incremental contribution from the Finagaz operations of approximately $0.15 per share in the fiscal year ‘16. This incremental contribution will increase gradually over the next 36 to 48 months as the Antargaz and Finagaz operations are aligned.

We estimate this enhanced contribution to be a further $0.08 to $0.12. Transition expenses are expected to total EUR50 million to EUR60 million over the next four years with EUR6 million to EUR10 million incurred in fiscal year ‘16. I’d like to turn now to our updated guidance for fiscal year ‘16.

On this slide we’ve gone back to fiscal year ‘13 a fairly normal weather year and compared adjusted results for that year to ‘16, which implies an 11% CAGR to the midpoint of our guidance range. We’ve also listed a number of the drivers of that growth on the page.

As John referenced earlier much of our growth has come from growth in demand for natural gas, investments that address the existing Marcellus related infrastructure gap and investments in both the U.S. and European LPG businesses. Achieving the midpoint of our guidance range implies a payout ratio of around 40% at our current quarterly rate.

Management and the Board will continue to review the payout ratio laying the strength of the businesses and opportunities for investment and will adjust accordingly also just touching our plans for fiscal years ‘17 and beyond. This page lists the number of items that will drive growth going forward.

I won’t touch on all of these actions, but wanted to demonstrate that we have a clear line of sight on a number of tangible opportunities to execute against and to drive growth. Again this growth is driven by the opportunities presented in the diversified set of businesses we are managing.

Growth is expected to continue into the future and all the same areas we’ve grown over the last three years, meeting the increase in demand for natural gas, closing the infrastructure gap and investing in LPG. Finally, before turning the call over to Jerry I’ll close with an update of what many of you have heard us refer to as our growth engine.

The concept here is that our base businesses generate a steady state long-term growth rate of between 3% to 4%. However all of our businesses also generate significant excess cash flow. That excess cash flow results in cash available for dividend and reinvestment of between $320 million and $360 million per year.

This annual excess cash generation has increased by over $100 million in the last five years and it allows us to grow our dividend by over 4% and still drive incremental earnings growth of 3% to 6%. With that I’ll now turn the call over to Jerry for his report on AmeriGas..

Jerry Sheridan

Okay, thanks Kirk. AmeriGas finished the fourth quarter with adjusted EBITDA of $39.7 million, which was $8.5 million below the fourth quarter of 2014. Weather was our key story in the quarter as we typically expect September to kick off with fall heating season. Weather in Q4 was 49% warmer than normal nationally and 32% warmer than last year.

Volume for the quarter was 8% below 2014 with nearly half of the shortfall occurring in the month of September. Given the lower EBITDA result for the quarter we took strides to raining capital spending with total CapEx coming in $9.5 million or 28% below last year’s fourth quarter making up for the cash flow shortfall from EBITDA.

Propane cost stabilized nicely at lower levels throughout the quarter average Mont Belvieu price in the quarter was $0.41 per gallon, which was 60% below the fourth quarter of 2014. This allowed us to manage margins nearly $0.08 above Q4 last year which helped to offset some of the volume impact.

We also experienced several unusual expenses in the quarter including approximately $3 million in liability insurance reserve adjustments related to a handful of specific cases, we had a $2 million write-off of software development cost related to an IT project that we moth balled during the year and we experienced some higher severance cost also in the quarter.

These non-run rate expenses are now behind us and not likely to occur in fiscal 2016. Now let’s spend a moment on our growth trust for us for the year, ACE our AmeriGas cylinder exchange program saw a solid same-store sales growth in September and we now have over 48,000 sales locations across the U.S. where you can buy an AmeriGas barbeque cylinder.

Our national accounts program increased volume by 14% this year and we continue to see strong pipeline of potential new customers from this program, which takes advantage of our unequaled national footprint.

We also closed nine small scale acquisitions this year adding $4 million of EBITDA for fiscal 2016 and our corporate development team is actively sourcing deals and the pipeline remains strong.

For the third consecutive year, proceeds from the sale of excess assets primarily related to the Heritage acquisition completely funded our acquisition program.

We also made good progress on the customer service front in 2016 as we continue to emphasize and train for a great customer experience, our net promoter scores which is a widely used customer satisfaction measure were up 30% in 2015 and we’ve refreshed our online experience for our customers to more easily review and pay bills online.

Looking ahead now to fiscal 2016, you’ve seen in our press release we expect EBITDA in the range of $660 million to $690 million assuming normal weather. This guidance is in line with our long-term goal to raise EBITDA 3% to 4% overtime, which will intern maintain solid distribution coverage and credit metrics for us.

That concludes my comments for the call. And I’m going to turn it back over to John. .

John Walsh

Thanks, Jerry. While we are very pleased with the strong financial performance delivered in fiscal ‘15, I believe our progress on strategic investments is even more noteworthy. We entered the year with an exceptional portfolio of projects in development and finish the year with an even stronger slate.

Our midstream and utilities businesses continue to benefit from the demand for natural gas across the Mid-Atlantic region. This demand includes residential, commercial and industrial customers as well as an expanding portfolio of gas fired power generation projects.

This exceptionally strong demand and the lag and pipeline capacity additions have accentuated the infrastructure gap that has been emerging in the Mid-Atlantic and Northeast over the past few years. UGI is working diligently to develop attractive projects that address this critical infrastructure need.

Our midstream and marketing businesses executing two major pipeline projects that will deliver critical capacity for the Mid-Atlantic region by late 2017.

Our 35 mile Sunbury pipeline in Central Pennsylvania will serve a new 1,100 megawatt Panda power facility, while our 115 mile PennEast project where we’ve partnered with five other major companies will transport low cost Marcellus gas from Northeast Pennsylvania to Central New Jersey.

In addition to these pipeline projects we also announced the major expansion of our LNG infrastructure with the liquid fraction and storage investment at our site in Manning Pennsylvania. This project will almost double our LNG liquid fractioning capacity and enable us to serve the increased demand for picking services in our region.

We’ll be investing approximately $415 million in these three new projects over the next 36 months. The revenue stream for these projects are fee based with the majority of the fee is guaranteed. Our gas utility is also deploying record levels of capital to support ramping natural gas demand.

Our total CapEx increased by almost 20% in fiscal ‘15 and spending will accelerate in fiscal ‘16. In addition to our infrastructure replacement and organic growth programs we’re also investing pipeline projects for major customers within our service territory.

As an example, we announced the pipeline project to serve Invenergy’s new 1,480 megawatt facility in Lackawanna County. One final note on utilities, our UGI Gas LDC is likely to file a rate case in fiscal ‘16, which would be its first rate case in 20 years.

All of our businesses are benefiting from historically low commodity cost, but those declines are most noteworthy for our LPG businesses. After a decade of significant increases cost for propane and butane has fallen by 60% to 75% over the past 12 months.

Our teams at AmeriGas and UGI International are seeing product cost that are touching 15 year lows as we approach the winter heating season. As a distributor we’re delighted to be in position to serve our customers with a lower cost energy solution.

Our unparalleled distribution networks and the strong local leadership team position us well to seize new opportunities in both the U.S. and Europe. Fiscal ‘15 was another year of significant progress for UGI.

We delivered a financial performance that equaled the record fiscal ‘14 performance, while executing the broadest range of strategic investment projects in our history.

We clearly demonstrated the collective strengths of our diversified businesses and made clear and steady progress on the strategic programs such as our Marcellus infrastructure build out that are vital to our future. As we enter fiscal ‘16 our outlook as indicated by our guidance is very positive.

Our major investments that came online in fiscal '15 Total France, Auburn III and Temple Liquefaction are all accretive in fiscal ‘16 with Totalgaz now rebranded as Finagaz having the most significant EPS impact.

We’re moving forward with our broad portfolio of new strategic investments and we’re busy assessing a range of new opportunities across all of our business units. The company starts the fiscal year with enhanced cash flow, strong balance sheets and a full complement of active projects.

Important to note, that we don’t need to access equity markets to finance our current slate of projects. We also have the cash flow and balance sheet strength to support additional new investments and were committed to building on our long track record of profitable growth.

Our path for growth is clearer today than at any point in our long history and we’re looking forward to keeping you updated on our progress through the year. With that I’ll turn it back over to Lean who will open it up for questions..

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And our first question comes from the line of Lin Shen from HITE. Your line is now open..

Lin Shen

Okay, good morning. Thanks for taking my question. I have two questions for AmeriGas. The first one is that you said the propane event to raise high so the prices are low which is going to be helpful for your business assuming normal weather, but we already have like one half months coming fiscal year 2016.

Is the weather seems warmer than normal now and how has that impacted your outlook?.

Jerry Sheridan

Yeah, October certainly was warmer than normal 20 plus some odd percent warmer, but we tend to not get too excited as December has more degree days than October-November combined so we really need to see the voice of the eyes of December to make a full assessment, but we’ve got lots of leverage to pull here including delay of seasonal hiring so forth that we can manage through these first couple of months..

John Walsh

And one of the things you see when you look at the weather map since colder weather in the Western U.S. we’ve had the last two years very warm winters in the west than the lot of averages tends to play out with weather and now we’re seeing colder weather in the west which is great for our businesses in those geographies..

Lin Shen

Great. And also for AmeriGas I think you have tradition to raise division maybe after the winter is over in sometime in May every year.

So, I am just wondering are you guys still following the trend to reevaluate the distribution increase or not after the winter and also given the current weak market for MLP so I guess a lot of company are balance between reserved cash versus just increased distribution I just want to get your thought about that?.

Jerry Sheridan

Yeah I mean we’re seeing a lot of stress among a lot of MLPs that are in different businesses than from what we’re in. So we’re reseller of propane so we’re not actively involved in sourcing the propane itself or fractionation activities.

We’ve had a good track record though we’ve had nine consecutive years of increasing the distribution in the spring, but our Board takes that very seriously and works that at every year but our intention is to look at it again after winter in April..

John Walsh

And there has been no chance to the stated target for distribution increase to 5% and I just reiterate what Jerry said the nice thing about our businesses and I noted in my comments is that the cash generation capabilities of our business are there regardless of the level of commodity valuation and that’s a key driver for us and a real source of strength over time.

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Lin Shen

Thank you. And the last question from me is that what is the pro forma debt EBITDA for AmeriGas, APU and the capital market right now is so weak that it's hard for anybody to tap the capital market.

So I am just wondering do you have leverage and also sometime to way for the capital market to be improved?.

Jerry Sheridan

Sorry. I didn’t follow that..

Lin Shen

Just try to see that what’s that pro forma debt EBITDA for AmeriGas and also how do you think about your equity issuers need this year and next year?.

Jerry Sheridan

Equity issuance need, we have no intention of issuing any equity at this point..

John Walsh

Yeah. It’s true for both AmeriGas and UGI. No, we have the capability certainly, but no intention to access the equity markets for either AmeriGas or UGI at this point..

Lin Shen

Okay, great. Thank you very much..

John Walsh

Thank you..

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Nathan Judge from Janney. Your line is open..

Nathan Judge

Good morning..

John Walsh

Good morning..

Nathan Judge

I didn’t know if I missed if you actually gave or quantified what the CapEx expectations would be for 2016..

Kirk Oliver

We did not give that for ‘16. I am looking at... it’s going up, but I don’t have the exact numbers around me for the total company. But the utilities going up significantly, the CapEx program for the utilities going up significantly. I can get you that Nathan after we get off the call..

John Walsh

I don’t think Nathan, the reason we didn’t highlight, I don’t think there is a major increase in capital.

I mean I think it’s a number that’s pretty consistent we have timing on spend of various project, the capital projects that have inflow the only business that’s got a significant ongoing change in sort of the organic CapEx as Kirk just referenced the utilities business where we expect another increase..

Nathan Judge

I guess one that obviously have pennies under construction, I guess it would really in 2016 so I’m kind of curious as you look at that today what the capital expenditure timing on that over I guess as we finish in about 2017 is that right?.

John Walsh

Yeah, for those projects Nathan which is why we are not highlighting them sort of a major delta as we go into ‘16 those projects there is a spend, but the spend on those projects given the time table for approvals tends to be back end loaded.

So given that they’re 2017 on-stream dates a significant percentage of the capital will be actually in 2017 versus 2016 on both of those projects..

Nathan Judge

Okay.

And just to think about the capital deployment and historically you look back at the company very strong history of raising this dividend I am thinking of UGI here whenever you get below a 40% payout, I have seen historically that you either accelerated the pace of growth in one particular period and or do share buyback so thinking forward obviously you have more clarity than you’ve ever had before.

How do we think about growth now, is it going to be just perhaps truncated in one period as a step up or perhaps is there a more of a faster longer-term pace?.

John Walsh

Well, I think our basic philosophy remains the same. You sort of have -- we have two elements we have the -- what we call the policy which is 4% dividend increase per annum.

But we also look at our dividend payout ratio that Kirk referenced that is more or less kept in a band of between 35% and 45% in terms of our payout ratio and roughly it’s not an absolute band but just sort of a guide for us.

As we move forward and that payout ratio drops when that’s happened in the past what we’ve done is do sort of significant one time adders and we take the same approach and as these new capital projects come on-stream and begin to generate significant earnings and cash we’d look hard of that in conjunction with the Board to keep that balance between growth and income, that’s so important to us and our shareholders..

Nathan Judge

And just it relates to share buyback you did have authorized a share buyback some years ago I don’t know I guess it’s about 24 months ago so and you’ve done fair amount of buybacks where do we stand on that and what’s your view of that as a capital deployment option given the pull back?.

John Walsh

We did about a million shares on that this year and I think we had about 15 million shares authorized. So we are somewhere a little over a million of the way through on that and we’ll keep using that the same way we have then Nathan which is opportunistically sort of soak up shares as they come into the denominator from comp plans and other sources..

Dan Platt

Yeah Nathan its Dan. Just program to-date the 15 million shares authorized we repurchased a million this year and 1.3 million in the previous fiscal year.

So we’ve repurchase about 2.3 million shares overall on the program and then just to touch on CapEx just to give you a little bit more color on that I think AmeriGas and the International business will be relatively flat coming in for FY16, whereas utility will be up significantly and midstream and marketing actually the Sunbury pipeline there will be some fairly significant capital spend for Sunbury in FY16.

So the midstream and marketing CapEx will be up fairly significantly year-over-year as well..

Nathan Judge

That’s very helpful. Thank you..

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. And we have no further questions at this time. This does conclude the UGI AmeriGas fourth quarter 2015 conference call. Thank you for joining. You may now disconnect..

John Walsh

Thank you..

Jerry Sheridan

Thank you..

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