Greetings. Welcome to the Tri Pointe Homes First Quarter 2021 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. [Operator Instructions] Please note this conference is being recorded.

I will now turn the conference over to your host, David Lee, General Counsel. Thank you. You may begin..

Good morning and welcome to Tri Pointe Homes Earnings Conference Call. Earlier this morning, the company released its financial results for the first quarter of 2021. Documents detailing these results, including a slide deck, are available at www.tripointehomes.com through the Investors link and under the Events and Presentations tab.

Before the call begins, I would like to remind everyone that certain statements made on this call, which are not historical facts, including statements concerning future financial and operating performance are forward-looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties.

The discussion of risks and uncertainties and other factors that could cause actual results to differ materially are detailed in the company's SEC filings. Except as required by law, the company undertakes no duty to update these forward-looking statements.

Additionally, reconciliations of non-GAAP financial measures discussed on this call to the most comparable GAAP measures can be accessed through Tri Pointe's website and in its SEC filings.

Hosting the call today are Doug Bauer, the company's Chief Executive Officer; Glenn Keeler, the company's Chief Financial Officer; Tom Mitchell, the company's Chief Operating Officer and President; and Linda Mamet, the company's Chief Marketing Officer. With that, I will now turn the call over to Doug..

Thanks, David, and good morning to everyone joining us on the call today. This day is a celebratory one for TRI Pointe as we commemorate Earth Day like we do every year through our proprietary LivingSmart program. LivingSmart is our company-wide walk the walk commitment to our customers' well-being and the well-being of our planet.

We've been a leader in green building since 2001 and our commitment is always expanding, incorporating the latest innovative design, materials, and technologies into LivingSmart for homes and communities.

More of Tri Pointe ESG highlights are available on our website and we will be publishing our 2020 ESG Report in May as we strive to improve everyday life for all of our stakeholders. With that, 2021 is off to a great start for Tri Pointe Homes with the record-breaking sales momentum we experienced last year carrying into the new year.

Net new orders for the first quarter increased 20% year-over-year, thanks to a 49% improvement in our absorption pace.

This - the order activity we experienced was broad based, both from a geographic and product standpoint, which is a testament to the appeal of our homes at a number of different price points, as well as to the strength of the housing market across the country.

The combination of powerful millennial demographic forces, low existing inventory levels, favorable mortgage rates, and years of under-building has led to a real supply demand imbalance that has taken the nation's need for new housing supply to new heights.

The intensified demand for new homes brought about by the pandemic continues unabated as we see life beginning to normalize. Simply put, we are in the midst of one of the strongest housing markets in my career.

We continue to take advantage of the robust demand with ongoing price increases and reduced incentives, allowing us to stay ahead of the cost inflation we are experiencing on a number of fronts. Gross margin from home deliveries for the first quarter came in at 23.9%, a 340 basis point expansion over the last year.

We have also been successful in improving our operating leverage by keeping our costs in check, while growing revenues, lowering our SG&A as a percent of revenue by 250 basis points year-over-year to 11.4% for the quarter.

And another positive note for our industry at large, mortgage rate - mortgage interest rates have stabilized in recent weeks after the upwards trend in the latter half of the quarter.

The rising rates have not impacted demand and based on the sensitivity analysis we perform, we are confident in the quality of our backlog should mortgage rates continue to rise. As a premium lifestyle builder, Tri Pointe Homes attract a very well qualified buyer.

Tri Pointe Connect, our affiliated mortgage company is a significant asset to our operations and captures over 80% of our deliveries. The average homebuyer financing with Tri Pointe Connect has a FICO score of 748, debt-to-income of 36%, and loan-to-value ratio of 82%.

While we continue to see new home demand far outstripping supply, today's environment is not without its operational challenges. Cycle times are being extended in all of our markets due to material shortages, labor availability, and municipality delays.

Suppliers are pushing for price increases of their own in an effort to offset raw material cost inflation, as well as labor cost increases. New phase releases at communities are being weighed against existing backlog constraints. To be sure, these are good problems to have and are indicative of a strong housing market.

Fortunately, our leadership teams throughout our organization are made up of seasoned industry veterans who know how to navigate this landscape and keep Tri Pointe in a position to be successful.

At Tri Pointe, our goal is to grow our operations in a profitable manner, achieving top 10 market share in each of our geographic segments and improving returns, while maintaining a strong capital position.

We made progress on all these fronts during the first quarter of 2021, including a return on average tangible equity of 15.8% for the trailing 12-month period. We posted an 18% increase in new home deliveries in the quarter and are poised to record a significant year-over-year increase in deliveries for the full year, based on our existing backlog.

As we got it on the last call, we opened 22 new communities during the first quarter and remain confident in our ability to open roughly 70 new communities for the full year.

In California, we continue to reap the rewards from our long-dated California assets, thanks to their lowland bases and excellent market positioning as we experienced robust order activity at both our coastal and inland communities.

For instance, four of our five top-selling communities in the first quarter are in California and range from premium, entry-level attached homes in San Diego to detached homes in Southern California's Inland Empire, as well as Northern California's East Bay.

The investments we have made in our early-stage markets of Austin, Dallas, the Carolinas and Sacramento are generating excellent results. In the first quarter, these markets contributed 157 deliveries on a combined basis, with an average sales price of $445,000 and gross margins of 21%.

While these markets are contributing to the bottom line now, they still have a considerable runway for growth. Combined, these early-stage divisions currently own or control approximately 8,300 lots and are anticipated to deliver over 2,000 homes annually by 2023.

We also made further strides in our efforts to acquire land in a more capital-efficient manner. We increased our lots controlled via option agreement to 38% at the end of the quarter, representing the highest option lot percentage in our company's history.

We believe partnering with intermediaries to help facilitate the purchase and development of some of our lots is a prudent, risk-averse way to acquire land and will also lead to better returns on our capital in the long run. Overall, we are in a fortunate land position, considering the demand environment we're in.

Page 14 of the earnings call slide deck shows the details of our lot position. With nearly 37,000 lots owned or controlled, we do not need to be aggressive in the current land market. We continue to be disciplined in our underwriting approach knowing that we own or control 100% of our forecasted deliveries in 2021, 2022, and over 95% in 2023.

In addition, most of these lots were controlled one to three years ago, or even longer in the case of the long-term California assets. This should prove favorable to the company considering the rate at which both home prices and input costs have increased over the past 12 months.

Tri Pointe Homes remains in an excellent position from a capital standpoint with over $1 billion in total liquidity, including cash and cash equivalents of $585 million. We put some of our cash to work during the first quarter in the form of share repurchases, buying back 3.7 million shares at a weighted average price of $17.88.

The number of shares outstanding was 9% lower on a year-over-year basis and we plan on reducing our outstanding shares even further as the year progresses.

With an increasing diverse and growing homebuilding operation, a rapidly improving return profile, and a strong balance sheet, Tri Pointe Homes is poised to take advantage of the strong housing fundamentals in the market today and create value for our shareholders over the long term.

We think that the current housing cycle will have long-term momentum, given the powerful demographic forces at play and the supply issues facing most of our markets. We believe Tri Pointe Homes has the right team, strategy, and leadership in place to achieve our goals.

With that, I'd like to turn it over to Glenn for more detail on the first quarter and our outlook for the rest of the year.

Glenn?.

Thanks, Doug, and good morning, everyone. I'm going to highlight some of our results and key financial metrics for the first quarter and then finish my remarks with our expectations and outlook for the second quarter and full year of 2021. At times, I will be referring to certain information from our slide deck that is posted on our website.

I wanted to start by discussing our new reporting segments, which we have reorganized in connection with the recent implementation of our one brand platform to Tri Pointe Homes. Slide 4 of the earnings call deck shows the map of the US and the markets we currently operate in.

Our Arizona, California, Nevada, and Washington markets will now be reported in the West segment, with Colorado and Texas in the Central, and finally the Carolinas and the DC Metro markets in the East. Slide 5 of the earnings call deck provides some of our financial and operational highlights from our first quarter.

As Doug mentioned earlier, demand continued to be robust in the first quarter with orders up 20% compared to the prior year and an absorption rate of 5.8 homes per community per month, representing a 49% increase compared to the prior year.

Demand was strong across all geographies with the West reporting an absorption rate of 6 homes per community per month, a 39% increase compared to the prior year; the Central had an absorption rate of 6.1, which was a 118% increase compared to the prior year; and finally, the East had an absorption pace of 4.3, which was a 4% increase.

Demand continues to be strong in April with 340 orders through this past Sunday, April 18th. We continue to focus on our new community pipeline, opening 22 new communities in the first quarter. For the full year, we expect to open approximately 70 communities and end the year between 120 and 130 active selling communities.

For 2022, we continue to expect to open approximately 90 new communities and end the year between 150 and 160 active selling communities. We reported a strong performance on all key metrics this quarter. We delivered 1,126 homes, which was 18% increase year-over-year.

Home sales revenue was $717 million, an increase of 20%, and our average sales price was $636,000, a 2% increase compared to the first quarter of 2020. Our homebuilding gross margin percentage for the quarter exceeded the high end of our guidance range at 23.9%, a 340 basis point improvement year-over-year.

SG&A expense as a percentage of home sales revenue of 11.4% improved 250 basis points compared to the prior year. Our focus on leveraging technology and operational excellence is evident in our reduced sales and marketing expense of 5.6% of home sales revenue in the first quarter compared to 7.2% for the prior-year period.

The evolution of our digital marketing and home shopping tools, less reliance on outside brokers, and our employment-driven sales approach enables our sales and marketing operations to be more efficient. For instance, we generated 8.5 orders per sales employee in the first quarter of 2021 versus 5.8 orders in the same quarter of 2020.

We reduced our broker attachment rate from 71% of deliveries in Q1 2020, down to 69% of deliveries this quarter, with an average broker commission representing 1.7 % of our total home sales revenue. Looking at the balance sheet, at quarter-end, we had approximately $3 billion of real estate inventory.

Our total outstanding debt was $1.3 billion, resulting in a ratio of debt-to-capital of 37.5% and a ratio of net debt-to-net capital of 25.3%.We ended the quarter with $1.1 billion of liquidity, consisting of $585 million of cash on hand and $543 million available under our unsecured revolving credit facility.

Now, I'd like to summarize our outlook for the second quarter and full year. For the second quarter of 2021, the company anticipates delivering between 1,500 and 1,600 homes at an average sales price of $630,000 to $640,000.

Homebuilding gross margin is expected to be in the range of 22% to 23% and our SG&A expense as a percentage of home sales revenue is expected to be in the range of 10% to 10.5% for the second quarter. Lastly, the company anticipates its effective tax rate for the second quarter to be approximately 25%.

For the full year, we are raising our anticipated delivery guidance to between 6,000 and 6,300 homes and increasing our expected average sales price to $620,000 to $630,000.

We are also increasing our homebuilding gross margin range to between 22% and 23% for the full year, while lowering our SG&A expense as a percentage of home sales revenue, which we expect to be in the range of 9.8% to 10.3%. Finally, the company is forecasting its effective tax rate for the full year to be approximately 25%.

I will now turn the call back over to Doug for some closing remarks..

Thanks, Glenn. To sum up, the housing market and Tri Pointe Homes are hitting on all cylinders. Our absorption pace of 5.8 in the first quarter was the best in our company's history and the same is true of our home sales gross margins of 23.9%.

And when price and pace can both be achieved at such a high level, it is clear we are experiencing an exceptionally strong market. And while we expect demand to remain elevated for the near term, we also expect there will be a leveling off to a more normal demand environment at some point.

This would enable the industry to be in a better balance with the supply chain as it moves more in line with demand. Until then, we will continue to take advantage of the strong housing fundamentals and grow our operations, while adhering to our underwriting discipline, a strong balance sheet, and continuing to improve our returns.

Finally, I would like to thank our team members for their contributions in producing a record-breaking quarter. Results we posted in the first quarter are a testament to your hard work and entrepreneurial spirit and I'm extremely proud of what we have built together. That concludes our prepared remarks and now we'd like to open it up for questions.

Thank you..

[Operator Instructions] Our first question is from Alan Ratner with Zelman & Associates. Please proceed..

Hey guys, good morning and congrats on the great results and glad to hear you're all doing well.

Doug, I'd love to start off with kind of the comment you just closed with and talking a little bit about an eventual normalization of demand and kind of some of the supply side challenges that the industry is facing today, and I was poking around on your website and I couldn't help but notice there were quite a few communities that you guys have labeled as temporarily sold out and I'm guessing that that somewhat ties into your commentary there.

We've been hearing a lot of builders intentionally slowing the sales pace just to allow the production machine to catch up a little bit.

So I'm curious if you could talk a little bit about if you guys are doing that and to what extent and has - have those limitations we've been seeing of late, has that helped at all to allow the supply side to catch up, or are those problems still intensifying?.

Yes, good question. Out of our community universe and Linda, you - I think you may even have the number a little more exact, but it's - if I recall, it's about 20 to 30 communities are in that mode and we haven't really seen that improve the supply chain.

I think the supply chain is going to be a challenge for the rest of the year as all homebuilders and other industries are affected by a lot of global things and - from chip manufacturing to Suez Canal, the snowmageddon to everything else that's going on since the pandemic and there's just been such a rapid increase in demand that didn't correspond with the increase in the supply chain.

And it's going to take a little bit to catch up, but I don't think it's going to all happen in a short-term manner. I think it's going to be a challenge for the rest of the year as we continue to see strong demand across all our marketplaces..

That makes sense and I appreciate the candidness there. May be this is related, maybe it's not, but the gross margin guidance does imply a little bit of sequential pressure from the very strong results you just put up in the first quarter.

So I'm curious if you talk about a little bit about the moving pieces there, is that mix, is that cycle times extending that's putting some pressure on that? Any color you can give there would be great..

Hey, Alan, it's Glenn. It is a bit of mix. We had some higher-end communities close out in the first quarter, so that contributed to that you know higher margin, but it also is reflective of some of the price or sorry, cost increases that happened in the back half of last year that are delivering as a bigger part of the mix in Q2 and Q3.

But overall, as you saw from our guidance, we raised the margin guidance at the high end of 100 basis points for the full year. So it shows that we have been able to raise prices above costs compared to where we were through on our last call..

Yes, absolutely. Didn't mean to imply that it wasn't impressive, just curious what the drivers were there, so I appreciate that Glenn. Thanks a lot guys. Good luck..

Thanks, Alan..

Our next question is from Jay McCanless with Wedbush Securities. Please proceed..

Hey, good morning and thanks for taking my questions.

First question I had, any impact from the February weather in Texas in terms of delivery, timing, et cetera?.

Yes, Jay, this is Doug. It did affect about 20 to 30 deliveries in the first quarter and it's probably why I was looking at the consensus deliveries for the quarter, probably why we are just a few units below it, but we picked it up from there and expect more deliveries as part of our overall guidance for the year out of Texas..

And then in terms of the community count guidance for this year, I know you all took that down a little bit, is it - is there any geographic bent to where that came from, or are you just having to deal with some municipal issues pretty much countrywide?.

No - yes, the community count lower guidance for the full year is just reflective of selling out a little bit quicker than we originally planned based on the high absorption pace we saw in the first quarter. We're still opening the same amount of communities that we guided to previously.

So from a opening perspective, we're right on where we thought we were going to be. We're just going to close out a few more communities before year-end quicker than we thought. It's all that is..

Jay, that obviously implies a healthy backlog going into the second half of the year, right?.

Yes, absolutely.

And then the other question I had just on cycle times, could you talk about where they are now versus last year, or versus what - last year of course was COVID, but where you think where they are now and where they should be?.

Hey, Jay, good question. This is Tom, and obviously we still are dealing with COVID impacts this year, although it is different. But in general, on average, I would say our cycle times have increased 10% to 20% year-over-year. We are battling a significant supply and labor constraint and we're doing our best to overcome that.

So translated into working days, that's about a 10 to 20 day increase on average for our average construction cycle time. So we're dealing with it. The biggest thing is we're making sure we're setting appropriate expectations with our customers and delivering their homes in a time frame that is meeting their expectations. So far so good.

We don't anticipate that it will have any impact on our ability to deliver year-end units that we're planning on..

Sounds great. Thanks for taking my question..

Our next question is from Stephen Kim with Evercore ISI. Please proceed..

Yes, thanks a lot, guys. Great job obviously in the quarter. Doug, you made a mention about how you ran an analysis on your backlog to determine how secure it was in the event of a rate rise. I was curious how broad that analysis was, if you could shed a little more light on it.

In particular, I was wondering if it was analyzing your buyers' credit quality and stress testing it for higher rates and then you kind of concluded it wouldn't have a negative impact if rates rose.

At what point of mortgage rate would it have had an impact in your view?.

I'll let Tom and Linda chime in on that..

Yes, Stephen, great question.

We did do a stress test on our backlog as you mentioned and it was on all fronts as you indicated, including buyer quality, and as you know, being a premium lifestyle brand, we have a significant quality of buyer and that's demonstrated with an average FICO score of about 748 and our average loan-to-value is 82% with a debt-to-income ratio around 36%, I think Doug said in the prepared remarks as well.

And what we did was go into our backlog and focus primarily on a stressing of increasing interest rates by half a point and then a full point and looking at debt-to-income and seeing where the tipping point was. And in both those scenarios, very little of our qualified buyers drop off that ability to purchase.

So, the answer would be somewhere over a point in interest rate increase would begin to have any effect on our buyer pool..

And can you translate that - go ahead, into a number? I assume it's 4%, like north of 4%, obviously..

Correct..

North of 4%, yes..

And that, Stephen, was about 75% of our - 75% to 80% of our backlog..

Right, okay. Great, well, that's really interesting. I appreciate that. And then I guess another question is about the gross margin guide and I know you mentioned that there were some unusually high gross margin communities that kind of closed in 1Q, but you know you beat your 1Q guide pretty handily.

So I'm just curious, is it right to think that you're using pretty much the same methodology for guiding your margins in 2Q as you did for 1Q?.

It's a similar methodology, yes, in that we're guiding based on where prices and costs are today and some of that was, like I said, a mix shift. There were some communities that pulled into Q1 that are higher margins that we thought were going to go into Q2.

So that mix definitely plays a part into it, but yes, we're basing that on what's in backlog right now, what we know the margins to be. Obviously, there are still houses to sell throughout the year.

So if we can continue to raise price above the cost increases, there could be margin upside to the full year guide, but obviously there's still a lot of time left in the year to get there..

Yes, sure. Great, I appreciate that. I think you guys know which side my bet's going on. But that's great, good job and good luck with the rest of the year..

Thanks, Stephen..

Our next question is from Mike Dahl with RBC Capital Markets. Please proceed..

Hi, thanks for taking my questions. I wanted to ask a more detailed question around pricing.

I think based on the work that we've been doing it seems like for a lot of the past six months or so you had good pricing power, but potentially slightly lagging the peer group in terms of breadth and magnitude and more recently you've kind of fully caught up and maybe even exceeded, which certainly seems to be reflected in the margin guide.

But I'm wondering if A, you think that's a fair characterization and B, how much of that is really kind of the market strength continuing to broaden out and give the higher-end stronger pricing power versus more kind of the company-specific actions that you're taking, whether it's the lot allocations or just a more aggressive approach to pricing given how strong the sales base has been?.

Hey, Mike, good question. Obviously, the pricing environment is very fluid out there right now and we continue to see strength and elasticity in our ability to continue to raise prices really in all markets and at all price points, so we see it being pretty broad based, obviously, affordability is a general concern out there.

Although as I just said with Stephen, our stress testing of our backlog appears that we've got room to move there and we're going to try to take advantage of that where we can.

Linda, do you have anything else to add on pricing?.

No. Again, as you said, I mean it has been very broad based and as they become less supply of home sites remaining in a community we sit and we have more opportunity to continue to push prices..

And one thing I will add, Mike, this is Glenn. I wouldn't say we lagged the rest of the group from a pricing power perspective if you look at pure percentages, because we have higher ASPs that may be the case, but when you look at total dollars that I think we're definitely getting our fair share of price increases.

As you mentioned, that's reflected in the margin guidance. So yes, I think we've been able to raise prices throughout the entire run-up in the homebuilding market just as everybody else has..

Okay, that's helpful and good point there, Glenn, thanks. My second question just on the April commentary and sales pace in general.

I understand it's only halfway through or two and a half weeks through the month, but it seems like that number would suggest maybe pace of closer to five a month versus the six plus year-end in Feb and March, and clearly articulated that six is the right number for you guys.

But just curious to get your take on given the actions that you've taken around communities, given the pricing, given the demand you're seeing when you're thinking through the balance of the year and the guidance, what are you guys assuming - I understand it's always community by community, but high level, what are you guys assuming in terms of sales pace right now?.

I think it's similar to what we talked about before. I mean, obviously, we had a really strong Q1 and your math is correct. It was around five for the first couple of weeks of April. But part of that is just again us limiting some of the releases to allow construction to catch up to the sales pace.

So we're not seeing any real drop off in demand if that's part of the question, demand is still really strong out there. But we - what we do think is that it will get back to a little bit more of a seasonal norm and slow down in the back half of the year from an order pace perspective is our assumption in the plan.

We could be surprised with the upside on that, but that is how we built the plan..

I think, Mike, the other thing….

Go ahead, Tom..

Okay. I think the other thing to think about there, Mike, is as we are limiting releases, you're going to see continued choppiness and potential spike in absorption rates as we hit new releases. There is strong pent-up demand, so we have a strong absorption pace on those releases.

And then we're bringing a lot of new communities to market as well and there is significant pent-up demand at those new communities. So as we bring those releases on, I think we'll have accelerated absorptions as well.

Doug, did you have something add?.

Yes, I was just going to add to Glenn's comment, Mike. With hopefully our society getting back to normal and seeing some of the travel statistics of the airlines, we do see a seasonal pattern, at least we forecasted that in our plan for the last three quarters.

Typically we see some seasonal slowdown in the summer months and a little bit of a pickup before the fall. So, I - we think with the country getting back to normal a little bit and families traveling and hopefully the school year starts off on a normal beat. So again, that's our thinking, but we could be surprised with the upside..

Right. Okay, great, that's very helpful. Thanks..

Our next question is from Tyler Batory with Janney Capital Markets. Please proceed..

Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking my question.

Just a few from me and I wanted to start on the land side of things, just curious what you guys are seeing out there in terms of land prices generally interested of other instances perhaps where prices might book a little bit expanded in terms of what some of your peers or competitors might be well in the past..

Yes, it's, Doug, good question. As we pointed out, we're in a very, very strong position. We were very aggressive in the land market one to three years ago. So we've got a great book going to 2023, 100% for 2022, covered in 95% for 2023. So we're in the land market, we're in it every day, we continue to underwrite the current market conditions.

Are there examples of land deals getting bid up beyond the tips of your skis? There is a few, but generally speaking, all the builders that we work with, and we joint venture with a number of them now too, are still being very disciplined in their underwriting.

And land values are a function of your land residual and if home prices go up, land prices are going to go up. So - but your input costs have also gone up. So you've got to factor all that into the equation and that's how we look at the land business.

Tom, do you want to add anything to that?.

No, well said. We are really positive on our existing land pipeline in all our markets and we continue to look for the right pieces to add, and as Doug said in the prepared remarks, we're in great position and we're really looking for land to finish off that last 5% in 2023, but it's for 2024 and beyond that our focus is on..

Okay, great, that's very helpful. And then just as a follow-up, wondering if you can elaborate a little bit more on what you're seeing in some of your early-stage divisions, just curious how those are progressing versus your expectation. I think you cited 21% margin for those overall.

So interested how that's pointing out versus what you had originally expected, and then I think you talked about the 2,000 annual sales by 2023. Just wondering if you could talk a little bit more in terms of progression and timeline over the next year or two moving towards that target in some of these earlier-stage locations..

Well, obviously, we are very bullish on our early-stage divisions and hence the reason why we share that information. 21% margins are very strong for early-stage divisions, but more importantly, that we own and control over 8,300 lots that will generate 2,000 homes annually by 2023. So that's within that three year - two years from now.

So very, very pleased with the Carolinas, Dallas, Austin, and Sacramento. Teams have done an excellent job of sourcing land and again, that land was sourced one to three years ago.

And so with the rapid increase in prices and input costs, we're in a very good position to deliver those 2,000 homes annually in 2023 and hopefully, we'll be able to deliver a very consistent margin profile with that..

Okay, great. That's all from me. I'll leave it there. Thank you very much for the detail..

Our next question is from Truman Patterson with Wolfe Research. Please proceed..

Hey, good morning, guys. Thanks for taking my question. First, just wanted to touch back on your 2021 gross margin guide. Even though you beat pretty materially in 1Q, 2Q through 4Q, it seems like you still lifted your guidance for the remainder of the year as well.

So could you just discuss that a little bit more in depth? Are you expecting there is more higher-margin California mix in there, or you just really seeing a general lift across the country where pricing is out-stripping costs? And then finally, what sort of cost inflation are you all really expecting in the back part of the year?.

Hey Truman, it's Glenn. I'll take the first part. It was really the latter part of your comment. It is reflective really just us being able to raise prices above costs, which gave us the ability to raise that gross margin guidance based on what we see in backlog currently. And then as far as cost inflation, I'll let Tom take that one..

Hey Truman, good question. We're not dissimilar to everything else that you're hearing out there relative to cost and there is significant pressure in that arena right now. So far, we're expecting costs to increase on our direct side of the business, 5% to 15% up in the magnitude of what we've been experiencing lately..

Okay, Tom, and in that 5% to 15%, I imagine that's labor and materials blended, but on the lumber side, is that really one of the largest swing factors is in that number, and where I'm going with this is over the past month, I mean lumber 50% plus.

I mean, it's a very rapidly moving target on a day-to-day basis, but big picture on the lumber side, how do you think that plays out over, we'll call it, the next nine months? I mean, is this level of lumber pricing here to stay, are we going to see any relief? Is it going to continue accelerating upwards? Just wanting to get kind of your big picture thoughts on that..

Yes, Truman, this is Doug. We are not in the business of forecasting some of these crazy swings. Obviously, lumber is a major component of those cost increases. As I mentioned earlier to Alan, we are anticipating a continued supply chain headache for the rest of this year as we continue.

All builders are trying to provide housing for the consumer right now. So I don't know where lumber is going to go. I mean, a year ago was what $370 to $400..

Yes..

Your guess is as good as ours. But as Tom mentioned, our cost inflation ranges in 15 divisions 5% to 15%. The pricing has also increased 5% to 20%. So that's a big component of what's going on and hence the reason why we provided an increase in our gross margin guidance for the year.

The first quarter was a little bit of mix and as it stretches out for the year, we're looking at increasing our margins 100 basis points as we provided in our guidance. So we still think prices will be able to cover those cost increases..

Hey, Doug, just for clarity that divisional cost inflation range of 5% to 15% that isn't what you're seeing currently or previously, right? That's what you all are expecting kind of flows through based on today's contracts over the next two to three quarters, is that correct?.

Well, that's what we experienced in the first quarter..

Okay, got you.

If - Tom, I don't know if you have that metric of what you're trying to baking in the guidance for maybe even 4Q - 3Q, 4Q, or is that kind of in the same range of that 5% to 15%?.

Yes, it's within that same range..

Okay. All right, thank you, guys. Good luck on the upcoming quarter..

Thanks..

Thanks, Truman..

Our next question is from Deepa Raghavan with Wells Fargo. Please proceed..

Hi, good morning. My first question is on pricing. I know you provided a good color, especially for the last question. The pricing within the orders, you mentioned, given all the inflation out there, you're increasing prices for inflation and then some more, which means you are capturing some amount of profit.

You mentioned pricing increases 5% to 20%, cost increases 5% to 15%, so there is a spread there.

Just curious, is that spread actually been increasing of late, given that demand is so strong, your absorption is pacing strongly, which means you do have the pricing power, but also you should be able to - that additional spread is going to give you the power to offset some of the volatility in the second half you alluded to.

Just curious, is that spread - is that increasing? Are you seeing that in your order level and do you anticipate that will go higher?.

This is Doug. What we quoted as far as pricing band of 5% to 20% and cost 5% to 15% is in the - what we experienced in the first quarter. We don't forecast in our business planning revenue increases. We do have current cost inputs in our plan.

So, if revenues were to sustain themselves in this manner, there could be, as Glenn mentioned earlier, some margin expansion in the latter half of the year..

Okay.

Is there like a - I was asking if there is a delta between even how you did your closing versus your orders as well, like is the pricing delta between your order pricing and your closing pricing strong enough to capture additional support as well?.

Yes, well, I think based on raising the guidance - the gross margin guidance for the year shows that the spread was positive, obviously. In the first quarter, is the spread increasing, if I understand your question right? I'm not sure it's increasing.

I think it's been there, thankfully, right, we've been able to raise prices above cost throughout the last nine months. I wouldn't expect the spread to increase because costs are rising pretty rapidly.

We're thankful that we can raise prices to cover costs right now, that's a good position to be in, and it also really varies widely on a community-by-community basis. Some communities, the spread is increasing, because there's a limited supply of houses and then other communities, it's less so.

So it's a tough question to ask or to answer on a macro basis..

All right. That's helpful, that was my question. My follow-up is, I'm looking at your Q1 performance across regions. I see there is some ASP decreases in like Central and East. Just curious, what's driving that year-on-year decreases, especially I see some markets and potential ones being like - they are good, strong markets at this point in time.

Any color there?.

All that is, is pure mix, so mix of homes where we'll have lower ASPs this year. Our percentage of attached homes in our mix is higher this year than it was last year. Again, thinking ahead to affordability, we're just trying to, in each market we're in, target the right price points for the buyer pool.

And so, it's not reflective of pricing, it's just pure mix of types of homes we're selling..

That's pretty helpful. Thanks so much. I'll pass it on..

Thanks, Deepa..

Our next question is from Carl Reichardt with BTIG. Please proceed..

Thanks. Good morning, guys. I wanted to ask about ESG and I'm sorry if I missed it. So it was quite better than your guidance. The dollars were actually down, but the delivery volume was sort of at the low end of the guidance. So I'm kind of curious, the leverage, why the leverage so strong or even why the dollars were down.

Is that in part a function of the cost cuts from last year rolling through?.

Yes that - Carl, it's Glenn. Good questions. That's part of it for sure. We haven't had to hire back as many as we would have thought, considering the volume increases because we are just more efficient like we talked about in some of our prepared remarks.

In addition, because of the strong demand we saw in the first quarter, we spent a little bit less on advertising just than we originally thought we would have to, because when you have such strong demand, you just don't need to spend as much on advertising.

So that - between sales per employee and advertising spend, that's where we saw some of the meaningful savings..

Thanks, Glenn. And then a bigger picture one for Doug. Doug, you mentioned the sort of broader goal of wanting to be in the top 10 all the geographic markets Tri Pointe's in, and I was interested in if there is something special about that number. I mean, why not top 15 or why not top 5.

What's the sort of the driver behind that long-term goal for you? What are the economics behind it for you?.

Well, we are never looking to be the biggest, we want to be the best and we want to be the best at what we do. In order to be the best and in order to generate the type of revenues and profits, when you back into the various markets we're in, you need to be in our minds in the top 10.

But in the end, our focus is on generating higher profits and higher returns and be more efficient in our overall turning of our inventory, and we believe as we see great expansion, east of California in those markets are very efficient.

And so we'll be hitting on - as I mentioned, we've got over 8,300 lots in our early stage divisions and they'll be hitting on all cylinders by 2023. So those are just macro goals that we have to keep our position in the market. And again, it's not about being the biggest, it's about being the best..

Hey, Carl, this is Tom. We've had several conversations about this and I think you have a an opinion on it, but certainly scale does provide leverage, and so there is an economic benefit to having certain scales in certain markets and we believe that and we've seen it prove out.

So in all our early-stage divisions, we're looking to get to an optimization level that is within that top 10 that provides the volume to produce leverage..

Thank you, Tom. Thanks, fellows..

Thanks, Carl..

And our final question is from Alex Barron with the Housing Research Center. Please proceed..

Yes, thanks, gentlemen and good job n the quarter. I think you had previously indicated you expected that pricing tends to be heading down, but obviously I think pricing power is going the other way.

So can you kind of, I guess, walk me through your expectations on that going forward?.

Hi, Alex, this is Doug, and I'll let Tom and Glenn chime in. But I don't think we indicated pricing power is going down. We just don't forecast significant price increases. The market is very strong right now, demand is very strong, and we experienced some pretty significant pricing power in the first quarter.

So I - right now, the housing business is as good as I've seen in my 30 plus years and I think it will continue to be very strong this year..

[Multiple Speakers] pricing power..

I'll chime in. I think what you are asking is relative to us guiding to a lower ASP coming up over the next couple of years and that is correct. As we are bringing on new products through our early-stage divisions, those ASPs are lower. So overall, that's going to be lowering our ASP as a company.

We still believe that to be true, but obviously with the pricing power we've experienced over the last four quarters, we've actually had an increase to our ASP overall, even though we are projecting an ASP reduction due to the mix of new units coming into our portfolio..

Okay. Yes, that's what I meant.

And in terms of that mix, is it because of the geographic exposure that you think that's why that trend would be going down, or is it more because you're introducing, like, smaller floor plans, more entry-level housing, that type of thing?.

Yes, that's really due to the expansion east of California, although even in California we're expanding more affordable price points, especially in the Inland Empire down in San Diego. But generally speaking, it is the expansion east of California and a very slight reduction in the overall square footage for the company..

Alex, I can give you a specific example. In the Carolinas, we only have three communities open right now and those price points are in the 350 to 450 range. And in a couple of years, we're going to have over 10 to 15 communities open there. So it's part of just that geographic mix of these early-stage divisions..

Okay. And then I think I also heard you say you're indicating more emphasis on share buybacks.

I was just curious if that's something you expect to be like a percentage of profits or just opportunistic or more programmatic, how are you thinking about that?.

We're looking to be a little bit more programmatic and you can see we've been more consistent over the last couple of quarters and we're forecasting in the near term that continuing to be the case..

Got it. Okay, well, best of luck for the year. Thanks..

Thanks, Alex..

Thanks, Alex..

We have reached the end of our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Doug Bauer for closing comments..

Well, thanks, everyone for attending our Q1 call and we look forward to meeting all of you next quarter. I hope you all have a great weekend. Thank you..

Thank you. This does conclude today's conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time and thank you for your participation..