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EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT
EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT 2017 - Q1
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Operator

Welcome to the first quarter earnings conference call for fiscal 2017. My name is John, and I'll be your operator for today's call. [Operator Instructions] Please note the conference is being recorded. And I will now turn the call over to Joe Bennett. .

Joseph Bennett

Thank you, John. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Tidewater's First Quarter Fiscal 2017 Earnings Results Conference Call for the period ended June 30 2016. I'm Joe Bennett, Tidewater's Executive Vice President and Chief Investor Relations Officer, and I want to thank you for your interest in Tidewater..

With me this morning on the call are our President and CEO, Jeff Platt; Jeff Gorski, our Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer; Quinn Fanning, our Executive Vice President and CFO; and Bruce Lundstrom, our Executive Vice President, General Counsel and Secretary. We will follow our usual conference call format.

Following our opening formalities, I'll turn the call over to Jeff for his initial comments to be followed by Quinn's financial review. Jeff will then provide some final wrap-up comments and we will then open the call for questions..

During today's conference call, we may make certain comments that are forward-looking and not statements of historical fact.

I know that you understand that there are risks, uncertainties and other factors that may cause the company's actual future performance to be materially different from that stated or implied by any comments that we may make during today's conference call..

Additional information concerning the factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those stated or implied by the forward-looking statements may be found in the Risk Factors section of Tidewater's most recent Form 10-K. With that, I'll turn the call over to Jeff. .

Jeffrey Platt

Thank you, Joe, and good morning to everyone. Yesterday, after the markets closed, we reported a net loss for our first quarter of fiscal 2017 ended June 30, 2016, of $89.1 million or $1.89 per share, inclusive of a few items highlighted in our quarterly earnings press release.

The current quarter includes an after-tax noncash asset impairment charge of $0.77 per share, along with after-tax foreign exchange losses per share of $0.06, due primarily to the devaluation of the Nigerian nairas and a $0.02 foreign exchange loss included in the company's equity and net losses of unconsolidated companies related to our Angolan joint venture Sonatide.

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Excluding these items, our per-share loss for the quarter would have been $1.04. Quinn will also provide you in a minute a few additional items that had an impact on the current quarter's numbers..

First quarter's loss was greater than the loss we reported in our March quarter and a significant decline from the year-ago quarter, where we reported a small adjusted profit per share.

Our results reported for this quarter compared to the year ago quarter is a reflection of the very different offshore vessel market in which we are currently operating. With this year, with this quarter's revenues of $168 million being 45% below those earned in the year ago quarter.

Sequentially, this quarter's revenues were 9% lower than in the March quarter..

We have noted that a number of oil field service executives seem to have called a market bottom in recent weeks. No doubt, there were positive and less positive data points that one could point to, but we generally remain cautious in regards to the likely pace of an offshore recovery..

Rather than speculating about the future direction of commodity prices, we are focused on trying to better understand the forces that drive offshore activity levels and how those forces may be changing, while at the same time, responding to market challenges and controlling the things that we can control.

We're confident that Tidewater can navigate through this downturn and the company will be well-positioned for the industry recovery, when it occurs. To date, we've substantially reduced our operating costs, our G&A and capital expenditures.

We will continue to do the needful in order to prudently reduce costs, while we continue to deliver a very high level of service quality throughout our operations worldwide..

During this quarter, we continue to build on our strong safety performance and maintain our commitment to a best-in-class compliance program. To date, this current fiscal year, we've experienced zero lost time accidents and in fact, I'm very proud to state that over the last 30 months, we've had a total of 1 LTA that occurred back in March of 2015.

These 30 months total nearly 80 million man hours worked. Our total recordable incident rate, or TRIR, thus far this fiscal year is 0.05 per 200,000 man hours worked, which is an improved rate from our historical record performance in fiscal 2016. .

Again, I want to thank all of our employees for their dedication to operating safely every day..

Let me now briefly comment on the status of our discussions with our lenders and noteholders. Our press release issued yesterday, and a footnote in our Form 10-Q filed yesterday, provides a more complete update on this important topic.

Instead of repeating the entire disclosure, I will summarize the progress made since our last disclosure in this matter in late May 2016..

As of June 30, 2016, we did not meet the 3x minimum interest coverage ratio contained in certain of our debt agreements.

In connection with that determination, we obtained limited waivers from the necessary lenders and noteholders waiving our compliance with the minimum interest coverage covenant and extending the previously received waiver of the company's requirement to deliver an audit opinion without any qualification or explanatory paragraph.

These limited waivers take us through September 18, 2016..

The discussions with our principal lenders and noteholders continues in an effort to reach agreement on a sustainable credit package that meets the company's needs in light of the current market conditions.

We believe the discussions to date have been constructive and progress has been made in resolving several important issues, but obviously we're not there yet. Our goal is to resolve the remaining issues and reach an agreement, but you can appreciate that we cannot provide assurances that the remaining issues will be resolved..

Let me now turn the call over to Quinn to walk you through the financial details of our results, expand on some of my earlier comments and address our outlook for the near term.

Quinn?.

Quinn Fanning

Thank you, Jeff. Good morning, everyone. As you know, we issued our earnings press release and filed our quarterly report on Form 10-Q through the EDGAR filing service after the market closed yesterday..

As Jeff noted, we reported an adjusted loss per diluted common share of $1.04 for the June quarter, which includes adjustments for noncash asset impairment charges and foreign exchange losses of $0.85 per share.

Despite the pretax loss, the June quarter results also reflect tax expense of approximately $4 million, primarily due to revenue base taxes in a number of international jurisdictions in which we operate..

Results for the June quarter also reflect professional services costs related to our ongoing debt negotiations of approximately $4.5 million..

Vessel revenue for the June quarter at approximately $162 million was down approximately $18 million or approximately 10% quarter-over-quarter. Approximately $13 million or approximately 70% of the quarter-over-quarter change reflects our stacking of previously active vessels that we expect to be underutilized in the coming quarters..

More broadly, the quarterly trend in vessel revenue reflects a soft and choppy global offshore market, with too many vessels chasing too few jobs. As Jeff noted, one can point to both positive and negative data points in the broader oil fields services market, vessel revenue for us in the June quarter was a similar story.

On the one hand, we had 5 vessels that were delivered into the Tidewater fleet in the March and June quarters. Those new build vessels are working and contributed a couple million dollars of incremental vessel revenue in the June quarter. .

Likewise, loss revenue due to vessels and drydock was down a couple of million dollars quarter-over-quarter. Offsetting these 2 elements of June quarter's revenue story, we saw weaker vessel utilization, particularly for our operations on the West African Coasts, where continuity of work has been a primary challenge..

In response, we have continued to stack vessels in order to reduce operating costs and to maintain utilization of the active fleet at or above 70%. This seems to be a level of utilization above which we can generate reasonable vessel level cash operating margins, at least on a percentage basis..

On a global basis, Tidewater's average active vessel count at 181 vessels was down 16 vessels quarter-over-quarter..

During the just completed quarter, we stacked 19 vessels, we activated 2 previously stacked vessels and disposed of 5 vessels that were stacked at March 31, 2016.

As a result, the stacked fleet during the June quarter averaged 87 vessels and was at 89 vessels at June 30, and are up 12 vessels since March 31, with most of the quarter-over-quarter increase in stacked fleet coming from the Africa operations..

I'll also note that 80 of the 89 vessels stacked at June 30 were built or acquired by Tidewater since 2000. Within that group of 80 vessels, 26 vessels were 5 to 10 years old and 15 vessels were less than 5 years old.

Overall, our active vessel utilization at 72% was down approximately 1 percentage point quarter-over-quarter, and average day rates at approximately $13,700 were basically flat quarter-over-quarter..

Vessel operating cost in the June quarter at approximately $109 million were up approximately $11 million or approximately 11% quarter-over-quarter, approximately half of which reflects a reversal of expense accruals related to our expropriated Venezuelan subsidiary in the March quarter..

For reference, most of the Venezuela related.

Expense benefit that was recognized in the March quarter was reflected in accrued cost.

Otherwise, the most significant quarter-over-quarter increase in operating costs was the insurance cost of the loss reserves, which was up approximately $8 million quarter-over-quarter, largely due to favorable adjustments to case based reserves in the March quarter and increases in case base reserves in the June quarter and the knock-on effect to profit-sharing provisions of the risk pool, which is essentially a retrospective premium adjustment..

Provided we are able to sustain the strong safety results that we have achieved in the last couple of fiscal years, I would expect insurance cost and loss reserves to trend down over the remaining quarters for the current fiscal year..

Repair and maintenance costs were also up approximately $2 million quarter-over-quarter, largely related to the timing of drydocks, as well as on scheduled repairs that were undertaken in the June quarter..

For reference, vessel operating costs were down approximately $70 million or approximately 40% relative to the June quarter of fiscal 2016..

Vessel level cash operating margin for the June quarter was approximately 33%, normalizing for elevated insurance cost and loss reserves, adjusted vessel level cash operating margin was in the 36% to 37% area in the June quarter. .

Similarly adjusted vessel level cash operating margin for the March quarter was approximately 41%. Total general and administrative expense in the June quarter at approximately $37 million, was basically flat quarter-over-quarter with lower personnel and property costs, largely offset by higher professional services costs..

For reference, reported G&A for the June quarter for fiscal 2017 was down approximately $7 million or approximately 16% relative to reported G&A in the June quarter of fiscal 2016..

Adjusting for higher professional services costs, G&A is down approximately 25% year-over-year..

EBITDA for the June quarter was approximately $12 million, in addition to the drag of the previously referenced foreign exchange losses, now professional services costs. Note that G&A in the June quarter is after approximately $8 million in vessel operating lease expense. .

CapEx net of proceeds from asset dispositions of approximately -- net of asset disposition proceeds and approximately $12 million in shipyard refunds was the negative $5 million in the June quarter, i.e. investing activities in the June quarter was a source of cash..

Remaining payments on 4 vessels under construction as of June 30 were approximately $58 million or approximately $41 million when netted against $17 million of remaining amounts due from shipyards as of June 30. These amounts are the vast majority of expected net CapEx over the next four quarters..

Note also that these remaining payments on construction process assumes Tidewater will not exercise options to accept an additional 6 vessels that are under construction. That is our current operating assumption.

Subsequent to June 30 balance sheet date, we took delivery of a 261-foot deepwater PSV and used existing shipyard credits to cover the $3 million final payment that was due at delivery. The remaining $14 million of shipyard refunds that are due to the company, i.e.

the $17 million at June 30, less the $3 million used as a shipyard credit, are expected to be received by the company sometime in the December quarter..

This amount again assumes that we don't exercise the options to accept the 6 option vessels..

I'll also note that during the June quarter, the company in a different shipyard agreed to further delivery of 290-foot deepwater PSV from September of 2016 to April of 2017. This will have the effect of deferring approximately $27 million of CapEx by about 2 quarters..

In regards to fleet profile and performance, as I mentioned earlier, Tidewater's active fleet averaged approximately -- averaged 181 vessels in the June quarter. Active deepwater vessels averaged 61 vessels for the June quarter and were down 8 vessels quarter-over-quarter.

Active towing-supply vessels averaged 84 vessels for June quarter and were down 3 vessels quarter-over-quarter. Active other vessels, which includes crew boats and offshore tugs, average 36 vessels and were down 5 vessels quarter-over-quarter..

As I noted earlier, utilization of the active fleet at approximately 72% was down approximately 1 percentage point quarter-over-quarter. Average day rates at approximately $13,700 were flat quarter-over-quarter.

Utilization of active deepwater vessels in the June quarter was approximately 76% were up approximately 4 percentage points quarter-over-quarter. .

Utilization of active towing-supply vessels was approximately 72%, down approximately 1 percentage point quarter-over-quarter. Utilization of other vessels was approximately 66%, and was down approximately 10 percentage points quarter-over-quarter..

Average day rates for the deepwater vessels at approximately $19,700 were down approximately $1,200 or approximately 6% quarter-over-quarter. Average day rates for towing-supply vessels at approximately $12,500 were down about $140 or about 1% quarter-over-quarter..

Average day rates for the other vessels at approximately $5,400, were up about $1,100 or approximately 25% quarter-over-quarter, largely reflecting the mix of working vessels..

Looking at our 4 geographic reporting segments, I'll just hit the tops of the waves. And I'll also call to your attention that our operations in the Mediterranean Sea will now be reported in new Africa/Europe segment rather than the historical Middle East/North Africa segment..

Remaining elements of the old MENA segment will now be reported as Middle East segment, which now includes operations in the Arabian Gulf and the Red Sea, including operations offshore Saudi Arabia, as well as operations offshore India..

Financial and operating statistics for the prior quarters has been adjusted for comparison to financial and operating statistics from the just completed June quarter. For the Africa/Europe segment, which accounted for approximately 43% consolidated first quarter vessel revenue, vessel revenue was off approximately 15% quarter-over-quarter.

Average active vessel count in the Africa/Europe segment at 90 vessels was off 11 vessels quarter-over-quarter..

Active vessel utilization across the Africa/Europe segment at 71% was down about 5 percentage points quarter-over-quarter and average day rates at $12,100 were up about 1% quarter-over-quarter.

For the Americas segment, which accounted for approximately 37% of consolidated first quarter vessel revenue, vessel revenue was down about 5% quarter-over-quarter. The average active fleet count in the Americas segment at 47 vessels, was down about 3 vessels quarter-over-quarter.

Utilization of active vessels in the Americas segment at 70% was down about 3.5 percentage points quarter-over-quarter. Average day rates within the Americas segment at $20,400 in the June quarter were up about $1,300 or about 7% quarter-over-quarter..

In the Middle East segment, which accounted for approximately 15% of first quarter consolidated vessel revenue, vessel revenue was basically flat quarter-over-quarter.

The active fleet in the Middle East at 30 vessels was up 1 vessel quarter-over-quarter, utilization of active vessels in the Middle East approximately 78% was up approximately 10 percentage points quarter-over-quarter. Average day rates in the Middle East at approximately $11,100 in the June quarter were down approximately 11% quarter-over-quarter..

In the Asia/PAC region, which accounted for the remaining 5% of first quarter consolidated vessel revenue, vessel revenue was down about 19% quarter-over-quarter. The active vessel count in Asia-Pac at 14 vessels was down 3 vessels quarter-over-quarter.

Utilization of active vessels in Asia-Pac at approximately 76% was up about 8 percentage points quarter-over-quarter, however, average day rates in Asia-Pac at about $8,600 were down about 8% quarter-over-quarter..

Turning to the financing and investment issues, cash flow from operations for the 3 months ended June 30 was a negative $11 million..

CFFO for the comparable period of fiscal 2016 was approximately $93 million. If you look at the year-over-year change in CFFO for the June quarter of approximately $100 million, approximately 50% relates to changes and the net loss before depreciation and amortization expense and asset impairment charges.

The remaining approximately 50% relates to changes in net working capital, with networking capital nearly flat over the course of the just completed quarter, whereas we have a large liquidation of net working capital in the June quarter of fiscal 2016, with much of the positive change in working capital balances in the June quarter of fiscal 2016 related to collections for our Angola joint venture -- related to collections from our Angolan joint venture..

At June 30, the net due from affiliated related to our Angolan operations was approximately $145 million, were down approximately $6 million quarter-over-quarter. The net due from affiliate is down approximately $49 million from June 30, 2015 to June 30, 2016. .

CapEx for the 3 months ended June 30 was approximately $8 million, all of which was funded by proceeds from asset dispositions and the return by shipyards of milestone payments that were previously paid by Tidewater, pursuant to canceled vessel construction contracts. .

As I noted earlier, the determination of the number of ship construction projects, the go forward CapEx that is required to complete the remaining ship construction projects is relatively modest..

Total debt and net debt at June 30, was $2.04 billion and $1.37 billion respectively. Net debt to net book capital at 6/30/16 was approximately 38%..

Cash at 6/30 was approximately $669 million and includes the proceeds of our previously reported mid-March draw on our $600 million revolving credit facility..

In closing, I'll just underscore Jeff's comments that we remain focused on properly maintaining our young and relatively high specification fleet, whether our vessels are currently active or currently inactive.

We are also focused on delivering high-quality service to our customers, controlling our costs and preserving and protecting available liquidity, recognizing available liquidity is the bridge to the other side of the currently challenging offshore market..

In regards to our cost-reduction initiatives, note that our global headcount at June 30 was approximately 6,300 people, or down approximately 30% from peak staffing levels in fiscal 2015..

Staff reductions, selective compensation adjustments, some of which were detailed in our recent proxy statement and other realized savings that are related to stacking underutilized vessels has allowed us to reduce our combined quarterly OpEx and G&A by approximately $80 million year-over-year, more than $300 million annualized..

Additional cost reductions are expected from selected consolidation of operating areas and regions and ongoing supply chain initiatives, recognizing that professional services costs tied to our debt negotiations will likely remain high, at least in the near to intermediate term..

As I noted on our last earnings conference call, operationally our intent is to live within our means, and thereby better position the company for our future on and offshore activity..

Successfully negotiating amendments to our existing debt arrangements that are acceptable to all stakeholders is also an important element in so positioning the company..

As you would expect, we and our board of directors have appropriately prioritized these ongoing negotiations with our various creditor constituencies. And with that, I'll turn the call back over to Jeff. .

Jeffrey Platt

Thanks, Quinn. The volatility in oil prices and the ultimate impact on our customer spending habits makes predicting the future for our industry very challenging. As noted, we're not in the business of calling more on tops or bottoms, but we are in the business of managing through whatever environment may confront of us.

Right now the environment remains extremely challenging. As Quinn walked you through the quarter's financial performance, it probably became very evident that virtually every geographic market deteriorated this quarter, some more so than others. .

Some believe that the pace of deterioration is slowing, and we hope that proves to be the case. But for now, our customers continue to reduce their planned capital spending in response to weak and volatile oil prices..

With decline in U.S. and non-OPEC oil production and ongoing production disruptions offsetting some of the increased output from OPEC members, the oil surplus appears to be contracting, helping to reduce global oil inventories.

However, the pace of this shrinking in oversupply remains slow and the industry continues to confront an outlook of tepid global economic growth, which may dampen oil demand growth..

Until oil prices establish a plateau sufficiently high and long enough for oil company managers to gain confidence in the recovery that improves their offshore project economics, our market will remain challenged..

As we have learned from previous market downturns, recoveries do follow. This recovery, like most previous ones, will be driven by declining production due to a lack of capital spending, reservoir depletion and growing demand..

These forces are all currently at work and we remain confident that they will ultimately lead to higher oil prices, which should then lead to increased spending by our customers..

Despite lower oil prices, the offshore industry continues to find new, attractive oil and gas deposits to develop. They have been found in such water dispersed regions as the Indian Ocean, the Mediterranean Sea, offshore South America and the Caribbean Sea.

The challenge for the offshore industry is reducing the cost and time required for bringing these new fields into production. We're confident that once our customers become comfortable, the oil price outlook, reduced offshore cost and improved efficiencies will lead to a return of drilling and production activity..

Higher utilization and improved data earnings will be a very welcome change, and if we've managed our cost structure appropriately should lead to improved profitability..

As managers, we'll continue to focus on controlling those things that we can control

outstanding safety performance, attention to maintaining a high standard of compliance and delivering high-quality service every day to our customers. We believe these disciplines help distinguish our operations from those of our competitors and are important for securing work in the highly competitive marketplace we confront..

That philosophy, combined with the largest global footprint in the industry and a new diverse fleet capable of working in all water depths, provides Tidewater with the ability to seek out and respond to market improvements wherever they may appear.

That flexibility will become increasingly important as the next few years unfold and explains why we have been working so diligently to reach the appropriate agreement with our lenders to ensure that we will have the financial flexibility necessary as this cycle plays out. .

Reaching the correct agreement has been a much more important goal for us than is working to an artificial time deadline..

In the meantime, we will operate proactively to reduce operating costs and closely scrutinize additional investment in the business.

We want to make sure that we're well positioned when the cycle turns off, so that we can rapidly grow our market presence, restore our earnings capability and deliver a better share price and returns to our loyal shareholders. With that, we're now ready for your questions. .

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And our first question is from Turner Holm from Clarksons Platou. .

Turner Holm

So guys, I have a question on the language in the 10-Q about the discussions with lenders. There's a mention in there of equity or equity linked compensation, among other things, as part of the potential cure for the covenant issue.

Could you provide some more color there, I mean, what exactly do you mean by that?.

Quinn Fanning

I guess, tough to get into a lot of details, since we really don't have the upclimbs arranged at this point.

But I guess the teams and our discussions with the various credit constituencies has really been more key elements, one is whether or not we secure up the facility, and if so, what is the appropriate security package? Two is, whether there is a reduction exposure for some or all of the lenders, which obviously is the other side of the coin from the way the company looks at it, which is what available liquidity do we have to us on a go forward basis.

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The third bucket is really covenants on a go forward basis, which is an important part of the company's thinking as at the end of the day we are trying to make sure we have adequate runway that takes us through what may still be a multiyear downturn. .

And the final bucket is broadly defined as compensation, whether it's in consideration for the amendment, more flexibility or a change in risk profile as a result of the way the market has developed over the last couple of years and compensation is what we're talking about, and whether that comes in the form of additional interest rates, fees, equity directly linked to compensation.

Some sense it's all part of the same bucket, another sense obviously, to what extent we're trying to warehouse or preserve liquidity, we want to just make sure we're thinking through all of the available terms to go through us and to the creditor constituencies, as we sort through the final terms and agreement, if we can do so. .

So I guess what we're trying to do with our disclosure is necessarily telegraph a deal that is about to be inked, is to telegraph a menu that we are all working off of in hopes again, of reaching a deal that is both acceptable to the company and the creditor constituencies that we're at the table with at and at the end of the day, our shareholders and all other stakeholders.

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So I did see yours and other write-ups regarding reference to equity or equity compensation, I don't want you to read too much or too little into it, we view it as one of the tools in the tool kit that is available to us and the lenders to reach some deal that is possible to reach. .

Turner Holm

Yes, I appreciate the color and I appreciate that it's complex negotiation and that nothing's necessarily done yet, which I guess leads me to my next question, then.

I hope you understand, I'm not trying to be flippant, but do you, Jeff and Quinn, do you think that this is solvable outside of court? If so, what gives you that confidence? I mean, do you feel like you've made a very significant amount of the progress in last few months and basically can you get it done in the next month or so?.

Jeffrey Platt

I guess I'd answer it this way. We think it is in ours and the various creditors constituencies best interest to reach a consensual deal. The fact of the matter is, is we're presently sitting on $650 plus million cash that is adequate liquidity in the company's view to get us through the next couple of years.

Particularly, when we recognize the totality of our capital expenditures that remain are about $41 million that we're got on a net basis. Likewise, as I mentioned, we are generally living within our means operationally, meaning that we have done the need for in regards to cost-reduction in light of the lower revenue reality that we live with.

So the company is not burning cash from an operating perspective and perhaps modest CapEx and our need for liquidity is essentially for intra-quarter or intra-year balance sheet movements, contingency planning and also to have access to liquidity to address scheduled attributes [ph], which really don't kick in until the end of '17..

Today the company's capital structure is unsecured, we have plenty of liquidity, the company is desirous of reaching consensual deal, but at the end of the day it takes two to tango, in our cases, I think it's 4 or 5.

So it's been a complex negotiation, there is a challenge at times of harmonizing the disparate interest of the various creditor constituencies, but to be very clear, the company is trying to get a deal done.

Rational minds should prevail in terms of reaching a consensual deal with -- as a public company, we can't make assurances that a deal will be reached or when it will be reached. We and you would prefer that this was in the rearview mirror, but as Jeff highlighted our interest is much more in striking a good deal than striking a fast deal. .

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And we have a question from Douglas Dethy from D.C. Capital. .

Douglas Dethy

Just as you look at, I guess, your negotiations.

If the company did enter into a bankruptcy proceeding, would all the lenders then be lumped together? They are all unsecured, as I understand now, except maybe for a small piece of it?.

Jeffrey Platt

I think that's a reasonable assumption. .

Douglas Dethy

So the negotiation -- go ahead. .

Jeffrey Platt

Back up on that, yes, our current capital structures are entirely unsecured, we do have the vast majority of our borrowings reside at the public parent company.

There is a subset of the debt outstanding, in particular debt related to our Middle East operations, what is to the subsidiary and in some sense that is a different kettle of fish, but the parent company that is all unsecured at present. .

Douglas Dethy

So the groups, I understand they are different groups you're dealing with now, but if they were in a court proceeding, they'd all be in the same bucket and that probably would not be most advantageous from their standpoint, I would think, but I'll leave it there. .

Operator

And I show no further questions at this time. .

Jeffrey Platt

If there are no further questions, we'll wrap this up. Again, we appreciate everyone's time and interest in our company and wish you a good rest of the day. Thank you very much. .

Operator

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. This concludes today's conference. Thank you for participating and you may now disconnect..

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