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EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT
EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT 2016 - Q1
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Executives

James P. Zeumer - Vice President-Investor Relations and Corporate Communications Richard J. Dugas, Jr. - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer Robert T. O'Shaughnessy - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President Ryan R. Marshall - President.

Analysts

Susan M. Maklari - UBS Securities LLC Michael Jason Rehaut - JPMorgan Securities LLC John Lovallo - Merrill Lynch, Pierce, Fenner & Smith, Inc. Trey Morrish - Barclays Capital, Inc. Matt A.

Bouley - Credit Suisse Securities (USA) LLC (Broker) Ivy Lynne Zelman - Zelman & Associates Paul Przybylski - International Strategy & Investment Group LLC Jack Micenko - Susquehanna Financial Group LLLP Will Randow - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc. (Broker) Kenneth R. Zener - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc.

Michael Eisen - RBC Capital Markets LLC Gabriel A. Kim - Wellington Management Co. LLP Buck Horne - Raymond James & Associates, Inc. Mark A. Weintraub - The Buckingham Research Group, Inc. Nishu Sood - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc. Alex Barrón - Housing Research Center LLC.

Operator

Good morning. My name is Carol, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Q1 2016 PulteGroup Inc. Earnings Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session.

I would now like to turn today's call over to Mr. Jim Zeumer..

James P. Zeumer - Vice President-Investor Relations and Corporate Communications

Okay. Thank you, Carol. And let me welcome everyone to today's conference call discussing PulteGroup's first quarter financial results for the three months ended March 31, 2016.

Joining me for today's call are Richard Dugas, Chairman and CEO; Ryan Marshall, President; Rob O'Shaughnessy, Executive Vice President and CFO; Jim Ossowski, Vice President, Finance and Controller.

A copy of this morning's earnings release and the presentation slide that accompanies today's call have been posted to our corporate website at pultegroupinc.com. We'll also post an audio replay of today's call later this afternoon.

Before we begin the discussion, I want to alert everyone, all the participants that today's presentation may include forward-looking statements about PulteGroup's future performance. Actual results could differ materially from those suggested by our comments made today.

The most significant risk factors that could affect future results are summarized as part of today's earnings release and within the accompanying presentation slides. These risk factors and other key information are detailed in our SEC filings, including our annual and quarterly reports. Now let me turn the call over to Richard Dugas.

Richard?.

Richard J. Dugas, Jr. - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

to run a business that can deliver better returns over the housing cycle and do so with less risk. We have believed since the outset of this housing recovery that it would be more gradual than the V-shaped rebound, typical of most housing cycles.

Our thesis is unchanged as we expect an extended recovery will continue to unfold for the next several years supported by improving economy, favorable demographics, years of relative under-building and a supportive mortgage rate environment.

Given these dynamics, we've been increasing our investment in the business, but have done so in a disciplined manner by emphasizing smaller projects while expanding our use of options when possible. This has served to shorten our years of land supply helping to mitigate market risk.

We've also focused our land investments on closer-in locations where we think demand is more sustainable when the market ultimately takes a breather. We have accepted the trade-off of having to pay a little more for certain positions, but where we can be more confident in their future performance.

As evidence of our focus on driving returns and reducing risk relative to prior business practices, consider that our supply of owned lots has fallen from approximately 8.5 years in 2010 to roughly 5.5 years in 2015.

Based on our land acquisition discipline, expected sales paces, as we work through some of our longer and older communities, we look for our own supply to continue trending lower in the future.

Among the reasons for the decline is that approved land deals over the past five years have averaged roughly 125 controlled lots per community; and this includes 31 new Del Webb projects over that timeframe that have averaged just over 500 controlled lots each.

Along with how we manage land, our more disciplined approach to the business extends to the management of the company's entire balance sheet.

Bob and his team have done an outstanding job reshaping our balance sheet and giving us the financial strength to run our day-to-day operations and the flexibility to seize on opportunities that develop in the market. As I mentioned earlier, we remain in the camp that this housing recovery has several more years of growth in front of it.

At just north of 500,000 new home sales, unit volumes remain 30% below the historic average; and with millennials beginning to buy homes, the leading edge of that demographic is now impacting the market.

These factors, along with a growing economy, modest wage inflation and a favorable outlook for jobs, keeps us optimistic about the near and long-term opportunities for PulteGroup. Let me turn over the call to Bob for more details on our quarterly results.

Bob?.

Robert T. O'Shaughnessy - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President

an 8% increase to $252,000 for first-time buyers; a 7% increase to $425,000 for move-up buyers; and a 5% increase to $353,000 for active adult buyers.

I would like to point out that in addition to the increased selling prices we realized from our Q1 closings, we also realized notably higher sales prices from current sales that resulted in the ASP in our backlog being up 14% over the prior year.

These pricing gains are primarily driven by the mix shift to move-up that I mentioned a moment ago, coupled with higher sales prices at Wieland communities.

Given our expectations for backlog conversion rates and the longer build times associated with the large Wieland products, the higher backlog ASPs will translate it to higher closing prices on a gradual, but sustained basis over the remaining quarters of 2016 and into 2017.

In the first quarter, we reported gross margin of 21.9%, which includes approximately 80 basis points of decrease associated with our acquisition of the Wieland assets. Excluding the impact of the Wieland transaction, margins were consistent with last year.

It's worth noting that in addition to the impact of the Wieland purchase, our Q1 margins reflected anticipated higher land, labor and material costs, offset by lower interest charges.

Offsetting some of the cost pressure has been our continued success in systematically increasing the amount of option dollars and lot premiums which provide richer margins we realized on each home.

In the first quarter, option revenues per closing increased 6% or slightly more than $3,000 over the prior year, while lot premiums increased by 4% or just under $600 per home. Sales discounts in the quarter increased 40 basis points over last year to 2.6% per home, which is consistent with results we've seen over the past several quarters.

I'd like to take a couple of minutes to address some questions we've gotten over the past few quarters related to our gross margin. Specifically, over time we've been asked about the influence on our gross margin of longer dated assets that had basis adjustments during the downturn in the market.

In response to this, you may recall that we provided an analysis of our Del Webb assets and related margins which we've included in slide 11 in our webcast deck that provided comparisons future of our older, much larger legacy Del Webb communities who are our small newer positions.

As you can see on that slide, we enjoy strong margins on that entire book of business with the more recent investments also enjoying strong return. Based on continuing questions from investors around our entire land position, we've prepared some additional analysis which is included in slide 12 of the deck.

That slide provides details comparing the margins and income statement impact of our newer and never impaired land with that of our land that was either impaired by us or adjusted through the fair value process as part of the Centex acquisition. Looking at the slide, there are a few things I would like to highlight.

First, if you look at the bottom row of the chart, you will see that the legacy lots were actually detrimental to our margins in 2011 through 2013.

This is due to the fact that our impairment and fair value processes typically resulted in gross margins in the low teens; and it is only after the benefit of several years of ASP growth that closings on those lots represent a slight benefit to our performance.

As with any legacy lots, the margin profile improves over time assuming their home selling prices are increasing even modestly each year. Second, if you look at the second row of the chart, you will see that the legacy lots are decreasing as a percentage of our overall closings.

In fact, closings on legacy lots represent 72% of our total closings in 2011, but had fallen to 38% in 2015 and will drop even further in 2016 and the years beyond.

And finally, I would highlight that the margins on our unimpaired land purchases remain almost as high as our legacy positions, reflecting the benefit of the investment discipline we instituted as part of value creation.

Given the margin profile of our total land portfolio and our ongoing value creation initiatives, we continue to target gross margins in the range of 21.5% to 22% for the full year.

Moving past gross margins, our SG&A in the first quarter was $191 million or 13.7% of home sale revenues, compared with $161 million last year or 14.8% of home sale revenues.

The increase in our total spend is due primarily the hiring of additional field resources to manage a 41% increase in the number of homes we have under production, plus approximately $4 million of charges associated with the Wieland acquisition.

Given that Q1 is a seasonal low point for our deliveries, SG&A spend will certainly decrease as a percentage of revenue over the course of the year, but we also expect that dollar spend will gradually trend lower in subsequent quarters. As such, we expect full year SG&A spend of approximately $730 million or approximately 10% of home sale revenues.

Turning to financial services, first quarter pre-tax reported income was $10 million, which compares to $5 million last year. The increase is due primarily to the higher closing volumes generated through our homebuilding operations. Our capture rate for the period was 81%, compared with 82% last year.

Looking at our income taxes, our first quarter expense of $35 million represents an effective tax rate of 29.5%, which is below our guidance of 38%. During the quarter, the company realized approximately $10 million of net favorable adjustments related to the settlement of certain state tax matters.

Going forward, we expect our normalized rate for the remaining quarters in 2016 to be consistent with our previous guidance of 38%. Finishing up on the income statement, our Q1 net income was $83 million or $0.24 per share, compared with prior year net income of $55 million or $0.15 per share.

$83 million is our highest reported first quarter net income in a decade providing further confirmation that we've gotten off to a very good start to the year. Looking at our controlled lot positions, we approved approximately 7,000 lots for purchase in the quarter, which represents an average of roughly 160 lots per community approved.

We continue to focus on smaller, faster turning communities. However, given that most of the land positions we're putting under control are raw, we still estimate it will take 12 months to 18 months before a community will typically come online. At quarter-end we had approximately 146,000 lots under control, of which of 30% were controlled via option.

During the quarter, we spent $262 million on land acquisitions, which does include our purchase of the Wieland assets. Based on our Q1 land acquisition spend, we're on track with our prior guidance of investing approximately $1.2 billion, excluding Wieland, from land acquisitions in 2016.

This estimate assumes we can continue to identify projects that meet our disciplined underwriting guidelines and return thresholds. Consistent with our value creation priorities, we continue to return funds to shareholders through dividends and share repurchases.

After curtailing stock repurchases in Q4 of 2015 because of activities surrounding the Wieland transaction, we reinstated our buyback programs and look to be a consistent and systematic participant in the market for our shares. During the quarter, we repurchased 3.1 million shares for $50 million or $16.36 per share.

We ended the quarter with $1 billion of cash, which includes funds raised through our February senior note offering. We plan to use approximately $465 million of our cash to retire bonds which would mature in May of this year. Our debt-to-total capital ratio at quarter-end was 39%, compared with 30% at the end of 2015.

On a pro forma basis, adjusting for the May bond repayment, our debt-to-capital ratio drops to 35%. For the quarter, we operated from 709 communities, which is up 16% from the same period last year.

The increase is higher than our guidance range of 8% to 10%, but reflects a slower closeout rate for our existing communities as opposed to an acceleration in new store openings. As such, we expect the year-over-year change in community count will come back in line with our previous guidance as we move through the year.

And finally, our quarter-end backlog of 8,755 homes is valued at $3.4 billion, which represent increases of 15% and 31% respectively over the prior year. Now let me turn the call over to Ryan Marshall for some additional comments..

Ryan R. Marshall - President

Thanks, Bob, and good morning. As both Richard and Bob have mentioned this morning, our financial results demonstrate that 2016 is shaping up to be an inflection point for the company. Reflective of actions we've taken over the past several years, we've transitioned the business to deliver more growth, but without introducing excess risk.

For the past five-plus years, we've been methodically altering our risk profile by selling off unproductive land parcels and moving through long-lived assets that have been a drag on the balance sheet.

Over the same period, we've reinvested in shorter duration, high-margin communities that have generated high returns and driven the financial gains over the past few years.

Having been in the field for over a decade and now part of the senior leadership team for the past few years, I fully appreciate the change we've undergone in pursuing the value creation strategy and the benefits we've captured.

As we transition to responsible growth, my focus is on ensuring we capture additional operating efficiencies while continuing our disciplined investment process. This means delivering more volume in a profitable, responsible and risk-adjusted way, and avoiding the trap of chasing growth for growth sake.

During my field visits, I have and will continue to drive on the point that we're running a business designed to deliver through-cycle returns; and this demand is efficiently growing pre-tax income while intelligently investing in the business.

Now looking at our homebuilding operations, we had 7,909 homes under construction at the end of the quarter, of which 27% were spec. Consistent with our previous guidance, we purposely increased spec production heading into the spring selling season to help manage and smooth our overall production cadence.

With spec sales tracking to plan and finished specs continuing to average well below one per community, we're right where we wanted to be during this busy time of the spring selling season.

After several months of strong spec starts and now having a large and growing backlog of sold homes, we've already started reducing the number of specs we put into production. Looking at demand conditions for the quarter, we are very pleased with activity in the marketplace these past few months.

As you might expect, with the 10% increase in sign-ups for the period, we generally saw positive traffic and demand conditions across the country during the quarter; and I would add that this trend has continued into the first few weeks of April.

In summary, the feedback I've received from our operators during my recent market visits is consistent with what we see in the data. The selling season has gotten off to a very good start. Taking this down to a regional level, on the East Coast overall demand was solid in the quarter and gotten better as you move from North to South.

Consistent with the trend over the last several quarters, we continue to see stronger demand in the Carolinas, Georgia and Florida. We are excited about the long-term opportunities we see in the South, particularly in the Southeast, given the migration trends, buyer preferences and land availability.

It is one of the reasons why we were interested in the Wieland assets. Looking at the middle third of the country, we saw broad-based improvement in demand through the Midwest.

With sign-ups climbing over 30% for the quarter, winter weather conditions were a little easier at the start of this year compared with 2015, but we are optimistic that the higher sign-ups for the quarter reflect a more fundamental improvement in demand.

Dropping down into Texas, on a year-over-year basis, sign-ups were essentially flat as exceptional strength in Dallas was offset by softer demand in Houston and San Antonio. Houston demand improved as we move through the quarter and the market has performed better than I think many were expecting.

And finally, looking out to our Western markets, we continue to experience good demand, particularly in some of our bigger markets including Northern California, Phoenix and Las Vegas. We have some new communities open in Las Vegas; and it is great to see the market responding favorably to these new locations.

Given the differences and market dynamics that can exist at the local level, it can be tough to generalize, but we would say that demand continues to improve and that communities located closer to the city center fair better in terms of sales prices and paces.

The inventory of homes available for sale remains tight in most of our markets; and at least on the new home side it will likely remain that way for a while given the limited supply of finished lots available. I've already met some of you at conferences earlier this year, and I look forward to meeting more of you as the year progresses.

Let me turn the call back to Richard.

Richard?.

Richard J. Dugas, Jr. - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Ryan. In summary, we had an excellent quarter. And given our strong backlog and growing production pipeline are well-positioned to have an excellent year. The work we've done since value creation began in 2011 has responsibly positioned PulteGroup to be a through-cycle performer, which is why we look forward to the future with optimism.

I want to close by thanking our terrific PulteGroup employees who despite the public distractions these past few weeks have and continue to do a fantastic job staying focused and delivering for our customers. You're the best team in the business and I could not be more proud to work side-by-side with you. Let me turn the call back to Jim Zeumer.

Jim?.

James P. Zeumer - Vice President-Investor Relations and Corporate Communications

Hey. Thanks, Richard. We'll open the call for questions, so that we can speak with as many participants as possible during the remaining time of this call, we ask that you limit yourselves to one question and one follow-up. Carol, if you'll explain the process, we'll get started..

Operator

Thank you. Your first question this morning comes from the line of Susan Maklari from UBS. Your line is open..

Susan M. Maklari - UBS Securities LLC

Good morning..

Richard J. Dugas, Jr. - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

Good morning, Susan..

Robert T. O'Shaughnessy - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President

Good morning, Susan..

Susan M. Maklari - UBS Securities LLC

I just wanted to start off by talking a little bit about the conversion rate. You clearly did see some improvement in the quarter there, but it sounds like there's still some more that we could see coming through as we move through the year.

Can you talk a little bit about sort of what were the puts and takes that allowed you to get the incremental move-up and yet what's still sort of holding you back? And how should we think about the trends for the year?.

Robert T. O'Shaughnessy - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President

Yeah. We've talked about that as something we're striving to do. We still have a challenging entitlement process. And so, as we go through the year it's our expectation we'll continue to see improvement relative to last year, but that we won't get back to historical averages, at least not during 2016..

Susan M. Maklari - UBS Securities LLC

Okay. And then I also wondered if you could just give an update on the Wieland acquisition.

Clearly, that's starting to come together, but just a bit more detail on how that's progressing?.

Richard J. Dugas, Jr. - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

Hi, Susan. It's Richard. The Wieland acquisition is progressing well. The teams are moving through the integration process as expected. We had, what, about two-and-a-half months in the quarter of total activity from the brand, but it's going well. We have an excellent team focused on integration; and we're pleased with the way it's going so far.

So it's early yet, but so far so good..

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Michael Rehaut from JPMorgan. Your line is open..

Michael Jason Rehaut - JPMorgan Securities LLC

Thanks. Good morning, everyone; and nice quarter..

Richard J. Dugas, Jr. - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Mike..

Robert T. O'Shaughnessy - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President

Thanks, Mike..

Michael Jason Rehaut - JPMorgan Securities LLC

First question I had was just going back to the order trends and by component, community count and sales pace. I believe you said that community count was better than expected due to lower closeout rates during the quarter, but you expect 2Q to get back to original guidance.

So just want to make sure I'm thinking about that right that the original was for the first half community count to be up 8% to 10% versus 4Q end? And also from a absorption standpoint roughly flat year-over-year, and I believe you had expected Wieland to maybe have a little bit of a negative impact and a slight overall decline in absorption.

If being flat versus that original slight decline was also related to the slower closeout of the older communities, then could we expect that original expectation to reassert itself in the second quarter as well?.

Robert T. O'Shaughnessy - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President

A lot there, Mike. I think to answer your first question, yes, your memory is correct. So we were 8% to 10% Q2 year-over-year and then 10% to 15% year-over-year in the back half of the year. And what we're saying is we think we'll get back to that range of growth period-over-period.

As to absorption paces, we did say coming into the year that Wieland would likely have an impact on our absorption paces, because it moves a little bit slower than our traditional Pulte business; and in fact that's what we saw. So we highlighted that you had an 8% increase in first-time and 4% and 5% decreases in move-up and active adult.

And if you take Wieland out – and that's a net 5% down, 8.4% to 8.0% in terms of absorption paces – if you take Wieland out, we go up to 8.4%. So essentially we're flat ex the Wieland business..

Michael Jason Rehaut - JPMorgan Securities LLC

Okay. Also on the gross margins, a little bit better than we were looking for, but you reiterated your full year outlook on a net basis.

So just wanted to make sure that we're thinking about it the right way in terms of the interest amortization, how should we think about that for the year, as well as any moving parts that were maybe better than expected pre-interest?.

Robert T. O'Shaughnessy - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President

Well, I think we've given guidance, 21.5% to 22%. We're reiterating that. Coming into the year we had said Wieland would influence our margins by about 70 basis points for the year. We still think that's a pretty good number.

We had given quarterly estimates on that; and it was 100 basis points in the first quarter, 70 basis points in the second, 50 basis points in the third and fourth. And we were a little bit less impactful, in the first quarter it was only 80 basis points, but we think through the year that it's still about 70 basis points.

So coming into the year, we said, look, we've got higher land and labor construction costs and that will be offset by interest increases. That's exactly what we saw in the first quarter. I think you can expect to continue to see that through the balance of 2016; again, within that annual range of 21.5% to 22%.

Obviously the financing we did here in the first quarter took our leverage up, took our interest spend up. So for the first time in a long time, our cash spend is a little bit higher than our interest expense. That won't influence 2016. It will have some influence on 2017 and beyond.

But I guess the only thing I'd point out to that end is, paying down the debt that we'll do in the second quarter, there's a net add of about $500 million year-over-year. That's roughly 5%, 5.5%. So it's not a huge incremental interest increase as we go forward..

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of John Lovallo from Merrill Lynch. Your line is open..

John Lovallo - Merrill Lynch, Pierce, Fenner & Smith, Inc.

Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my call. The first question is on order pricing; pretty strong here.

I was wondering if you could give us a breakout of how much of that was mix and how much of that was organic price increases?.

Richard J. Dugas, Jr. - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

John, this is Richard. Most of it was mix. We certainly got some price in the quarter. Bob indicated that we had improvements in both option impact as well as lot premium impact. So certainly some of it was price, but the majority of it was mix, reflective of the investments that we made over the past few years.

We've been quite clear that the majority of our investments have gone to that move-up category. So that was the majority of it. There was also a little impact from the Wieland backlog coming in. So you see the backlog ASPs expanding pretty dramatically; and that's primarily due to mix with a little bit of Wieland and some price..

John Lovallo - Merrill Lynch, Pierce, Fenner & Smith, Inc.

Okay. That's helpful. And then as a follow-up I think you guys indicated that the Houston market seemed to improve somewhat throughout the quarter.

Was there a particular price point where you saw most of that improvement?.

Ryan R. Marshall - President

Hey, John. It's Ryan. We actually saw the Houston market recover probably better than expected the further that we moved through the quarter. The lower price points certainly performed better and we saw a little bit of slowness in the higher end price points in Houston..

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Stephen Kim from Barclays. Your line is open..

Trey Morrish - Barclays Capital, Inc.

Hey, guys. This is actually Trey on for Steve. So my first question is on your gross margin in the quarter you definitely did a lot better than we were looking for, with you almost reaching 22%.

And we're wondering how with your year-end margin guidance remaining the 21.5% to 22% range, how you're expecting a quarterly cadence to develop when normally we'd expect lowest gross margin in the first quarter and the highest gross margin at the end of the year?.

Richard J. Dugas, Jr. - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

Trey, this is Richard. I'll answer that. We're not providing quarterly margin guidance. We're very pleased with our margins. I think the takeaway is that we continue to run the business focused on high returns, but margins are holding up; and we're pleased to reiterate the guidance that we started the year with..

Trey Morrish - Barclays Capital, Inc.

Okay.

So you would expect obviously the 21.5% to 22%, everything to stay within that range for the year though?.

Richard J. Dugas, Jr. - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

That are expectation, yes..

Trey Morrish - Barclays Capital, Inc.

Okay, got it.

And then secondly, what was your land development spend in the quarter?.

Robert T. O'Shaughnessy - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President

It was about a little over $300 million. So pretty consistent with historic spend patterns where we've been spending roughly dollar for dollar land acq and land development..

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Mike Dahl from Credit Suisse. Your line is open..

Matt A. Bouley - Credit Suisse Securities (USA) LLC (Broker)

Hi. This is actually Matthew Bouley on for Mike. Thank you for taking my questions. I just wanted to ask about the legacy land beyond what you're planning to deliver.

So just how are you thinking about bringing specifically your inactive legacy land back? Have you seen signs that demand is pushing out a bit into outer locations? And then how should we think about potential margin impacts from that? For example, would there be any more interest capitalized into the older land?.

Robert T. O'Shaughnessy - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President

To the final question, the answer is no. The answer is, it doesn't get capitalized into older positions that way. But I guess the way I would answer that is we don't have a tremendous amount of what I would characterize as outer ring assets.

If you think back, we certainly have a large lot position associated with some of the larger, older Del Webb positions. It's that slide 11 in the deck. And we've talked about that for years that it will just take us time to work through that. Good news is strong margins on that business, good return on incremental investment.

We own the land (34:52) now we're just development dollars, sticks and bricks. So we do okay on that. It's also worth mentioning that over the last, gosh, I guess it's five years now, we've been pretty active in selling some of those older, what I would characterize as, challenged assets.

So if you think about it, over the last four years or five years, it's certainly more than $400 million probably of land sales that moved a lot of those, again what I'd characterize as, challenged assets. So our book today doesn't have a lot of that..

Matt A. Bouley - Credit Suisse Securities (USA) LLC (Broker)

Okay, got it. Thank you. And then secondly, just on SG&A, I was wondering if you could elaborate a little bit on the work force investments that you mentioned? So just geographies and which types of labor were you targeting? Thank you..

Richard J. Dugas, Jr. - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. Matthew, this is Richard. Primarily that's field resources to get home some production field managers or superintendents that manage our business. We had a very large increase in homes under production, 41%; and that takes incremental people to help manage the process.

So most of it was related to construction resources to get those homes into production for deliveries later this year. And geography agnostic. We've had a fairly significant ramp-up in land spend in the last few years.

And as we've indicated, 2016 would be a pivot year for volume for the company and you're beginning to see that come through the system; and that's what those dollars are for..

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Ivy Zelman from Zelman & Associates. Your line is open..

Ivy Lynne Zelman - Zelman & Associates

Thank you. Good morning, and congrats on the solid quarter. I'm not sure....

Richard J. Dugas, Jr. - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Ivy..

Ivy Lynne Zelman - Zelman & Associates

...if Deb Still is in the room or not, but I was hoping for an update on Pulte Mortgage with respect to trends related to the (36:50) headwinds, because we're hearing concerns about closings that might be impacted in future quarters because of uncertainty around the rules, especially in the secondary market, as opposed to those loans being sold directed to Fannie/Freddie they don't seem to be as problematic or accepting it and not pushing back.

So any concern about 2Q and 3Q closings?.

Robert T. O'Shaughnessy - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President

Well, Deb's not here, but I'll take that one, Ivy. We do sell direct. And so I would tell you we are not seeing that as an impediment to our closing process. More broadly for the market, I can't comment on..

Ivy Lynne Zelman - Zelman & Associates

Got it. All right. Great. And, Bob, just in terms of my follow-up, if you can give us an update on some of the higher price points around the market, if you're seeing any change in activity? We've heard depending on the city obviously high-end is defined differently.

So I don't know if you see that, for example, in Atlanta about $600,000 or $700,000, are you seeing changes in absorption paces for that higher-end price point?.

Richard J. Dugas, Jr. - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

Ivy, this is Richard. I'll take that one. We are not. We're seeing good activity in the higher price points around the system. Again, we have a modest number of really high price point homes, $600,000, $700,000, $800,000, relative to our ASPs in the mid-to-high $300,000s overall, but we're seeing good demand.

And most of that for us is in Northern California, some in D.C., excuse me, some of the higher-priced markets in general. But overall, so far so good in that area..

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Paul Przybylski from Evercore ISI. Your line is open..

Paul Przybylski - International Strategy & Investment Group LLC

Thank you. This is Paul Przybylski on for Stephen East. First, you mentioned the Del Webb orders were down on community closeouts.

I was wondering if you had heard anything from the field though about equity market volatility negatively impacting that buyer?.

Ryan R. Marshall - President

Hey, Paul. This is Ryan. Yeah, we've seen a little bit of traffic slowdown at our Del Webb communities, which we think is directly related to the market volatility. We saw that lessen as we move through the quarter and some of the market volatility started to come back into normal ranges.

We're quite pleased with what we're seeing out of our Del Webb markets right now..

Paul Przybylski - International Strategy & Investment Group LLC

Okay. And then you spoke to Houston improving through the quarter, but now Houston has its own weather problem.

What kind of impact do you think that would have on 2Q conversion rates? And then how long after we have a significant weather event like that does it take demand to rebound?.

Ryan R. Marshall - President

Yeah. Great question. Houston's obviously dealing with some weather challenges right now. We haven't gotten a full assessment of the extent of the damage. Many of the communities are still underwater and having to struggle getting out of their homes.

We don't expect it to have much of an impact at all on our Q2, probably it's fairly a small impact as we move into Q3..

Richard J. Dugas, Jr. - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

And, Paul, just to add to that, remember, Houston is roughly 4% or 5% of our total company volume. So when you add it collectively, obviously we're paying attention to it, but we're not too concerned about it. And we do still have seven months, eight months to watch that for the year..

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Jack Micenko from SIG. Your line is open..

Jack Micenko - Susquehanna Financial Group LLLP

Hey. Good morning, everybody. First question, looking at some of the regions, Northeast down a bit more than last year, strong Midwest, strong Southeast.

Relative to absorption, is it okay to think that that's generally sort of moving in line with the community count or is there any more pronounced demand swing in any of those sort of outside move regions in the quarter from an order perspective?.

Robert T. O'Shaughnessy - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President

Jack, we're seeing our Western markets do quite well. We think this is reflective of some of the places where the local economies are strong, as well as where we have great investment. We've also seen the Midwest perform very well year-over-year. So those are the two spots that I would highlight..

Jack Micenko - Susquehanna Financial Group LLLP

Okay. And then a follow-up on the G&A guidance on the dollar. I think, Richard, you had said a lot of that is field-type labor.

Is the significant improvement or implied improvement in the G&A ratio into the end of the year, is that more a function of sort of flexing the overhead spend around the construction and then maybe bringing that back down, or is it all conversion rate improvement or is it sort of a mix?.

Richard J. Dugas, Jr. - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

I'll speak to the first part of that and maybe ask Bob to comment a little bit more. From an overall absorption perspective, we're definitely going to get a conversion rate improvement as we go through the year, as you might expect, with all the homes in production that will be flowing through.

There is also, however, a little bit of a total dollar improvement. Maybe Bob can speak to that..

Robert T. O'Shaughnessy - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President

Yeah. We've talked about this in the past, and for the most part our dollar spend is relatively fixed. We don't run sales commissions through SG&A, and so we have other than production level and footprint expansion. So if we're opening a bunch of new communities, there are costs associated with that.

So as we look at the balance of the year, the guidance would imply another $540 million of spend, which translates to about $180 million a quarter; and I would suggest that's kind of how we'll spend it. It's not going to be largely variable..

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Will Randow from Citigroup. Your line is open..

Will Randow - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc. (Broker)

Hey. Good morning, guys. Congrats on the quarter..

Richard J. Dugas, Jr. - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Will..

Robert T. O'Shaughnessy - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President

Thanks, Will..

Will Randow - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc. (Broker)

In terms of going back to – this was asked a couple of different ways – variances in your gross margin expectations.

Can you talk about how your expectations for lumber inflation, as well as labor inflation from, again, a gross margin expectation have moved since you reported your last quarter?.

Robert T. O'Shaughnessy - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President

Yeah. We had said coming into the year that with a relatively benign commodity market, but a relatively tight labor market that we saw our construction costs up about 2%; and that was largely labor and we still see that. We've got pretty good visibility into six months of costs.

And so, in terms of our backlog, we have, like I said, pretty good visibility into what our cost structure is going to be on that. So we haven't seen that move materially since we last talked..

Richard J. Dugas, Jr. - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

And, Will, just to be clear, I'm not sure I heard you correct at the end of your question there, but we are not changing our gross margin expectations. We're reiterating them in the same range. So just to be clear..

Will Randow - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc. (Broker)

Understood. Thank you. And then just want to follow-up in terms of backlog conversion. What's your confidence level going into kind of the peak production season for closings in the second quarter and third quarter that we don't have any more, I'll call it, disruption? I know you guys have ramped up spec count.

Can you talk about some other preventive actions you may have taken to improve that confidence level?.

Richard J. Dugas, Jr. - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. Will, this is Richard. I'll take that. Certainly, spec count is definitely helpful to us. We've also paid a lot of attention to the overall labor market in total when we saw some of the disruption last year, and have done our best to add incremental vendors where we could overall. So we're pleased with the progress we've made.

And just to be clear, Bob mentioned this earlier on the answer to a question, we expect improvement relative to prior year conversion rates, but not back to old historical levels; and that's primarily due to the fact that our cycle times are extended.

We indicated on one of our calls last year that they were up eight days or nine days in total, and we're still seeing that. So we've improved our processes overall, but we're not expecting to get back to historical ranges even though we will be improving relative to prior year..

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Ken Zener from KeyBanc. Your line is open..

Kenneth R. Zener - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc.

Good morning, gentlemen..

Richard J. Dugas, Jr. - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

Hi, Ken..

Robert T. O'Shaughnessy - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President

Hey, Ken..

Kenneth R. Zener - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc.

Slide 12, very interesting. I have two questions. Related to this slide, what can we infer from the outlook I guess, or how do you guys kind of balance where you think – if you're talking about gross margins, which we can see on the non-adjusted side, having peaked in 2014.

Could you kind of talk about the deltas that are associated with each of those pre-interest? I mean, do you have higher interest expense in the legacy or is there any accounting nuances that we should be familiar with there if we think about the mix aging through time as you deplete those legacy land positions?.

Robert T. O'Shaughnessy - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President

Yeah. Ken, fair question. The answer is no. Our interest gets applied across our entire production portfolio. And so, when we manage the business, these are the numbers we're managing against. So this is sort of book value, historical cost versus selling price for each. So as you look at this, interest doesn't really influence it..

Richard J. Dugas, Jr. - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

And, Ken, this is Richard. I would just add I think what you should take away is that the investments we've made the past four or five years are at really nice margins. We're very pleased with that. And that even though it will be declining as a percentage of total production, the legacy lots will continue to be a tailwind for margins going forward.

Those are the two key points we're trying to drive here..

Kenneth R. Zener - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc.

Understood; and I think you guys did very well by presenting it this way. My next question is a bit more regional, specifically about California.

It's not the biggest market for you guys, but could you talk about the trends you're seeing in San Francisco given perhaps slowdowns we're seeing in VC funding and how that might impact kind of your points that you have up in San Francisco? And if you could, describe a rate of foreign buyers, if that's an item that you have been tracking in California or Seattle in general? Thank you very much..

Ryan R. Marshall - President

Hey, Ken. This is Ryan. We've actually seen exceptional strength in our Northern California market, and it's really reflective of the wonderful investments that we've made. Really focused on the core employment areas in the East and South Bay.

We've got a lot of infill opportunities in infill communities that we've invested in; and we're seeing excellent demand that is being driven by what's been a strong labor market, as well as very tight supply.

So we're obviously watching some of the things that are going on in the technology sector, but we've stayed away from some of the outer locations. As you move further away from the Bay Area, we think those are some of the areas that will obviously be hit first if the labor market there tightens..

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Bob Wetenhall from RBC Capital Markets. Your line is open..

Michael Eisen - RBC Capital Markets LLC

Good morning. This is actually Michael Eisen on for Bob this morning. I just had a quick question about the pace of ASP growth and your order growth. They both were very strong.

Wondering how much of this is attributable to community count shift and how much is price appreciation?.

Richard J. Dugas, Jr. - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. Mike, this is Richard. The majority of it is the continued mix shift that we've had in the business. ASPs are rising strongly because of our investments over the past couple of years with mix shift. We are also getting some benefit out of the Wieland business integrating into our backlog which raises our ASP some.

But the vast majority of it's from our core business continuing to move higher. So, as you note, our ASP in backlog is over $380,000 now. And as Bob indicated, we'll be delivering into that number slowly and steadily through this year and into next..

Michael Eisen - RBC Capital Markets LLC

Great.

And then when you guys talk about the delayed closure of some community counts, are any of these at significantly higher or lower price points that would cause fluctuation quarter-over-quarter as we look forward into the rest of the year as those close out?.

Richard J. Dugas, Jr. - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. This is Richard again. No, and this is one of the reasons we don't love community count as a metric. We've explained this before. You might have a handful of legacy communities that had one or two sales that drifted from Q4 into Q1, and those get counted as a new – or excuse me, a community in our convention.

So no, there's no significant impact on either ASPs or anything else related to the few closeout communities that we had some activity in, in Q1..

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Gabe Kim from Wellington Management. Your line is open..

Gabriel A. Kim - Wellington Management Co. LLP

Morning. Excellent results. Thank you..

Richard J. Dugas, Jr. - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Gabe..

Gabriel A. Kim - Wellington Management Co. LLP

Thank you. My question is on slide number 11, and this is a slide that we've looked at for a couple of quarters now; legacy Del Webb versus new active adult investments..

Richard J. Dugas, Jr. - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. Go ahead, Gabe..

Gabriel A. Kim - Wellington Management Co. LLP

Okay, super. So what I'm looking at here – so I appreciate the purpose of the slide. On the left-hand side we have low older Del Webb and then on the right-hand side we have newer Del Webb; and newer is always better than older. So the gross margin is 10% higher.

And then when you sort of look at the bottom of the table, it says estimated remaining lot supply, 12 years for the older; estimated remaining lot supply for the newer is five years.

If we were to translate this slide to a dollars basis, how would that 12 years versus five years look, do you think? The turnover, not in relation to the units, but the dollars of inventory.

How does it look?.

Robert T. O'Shaughnessy - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President

I'm not sure I'm following you, Gabe.

Are you talking about the total balance sheet investment on the left side versus the right, Gabe?.

Gabriel A. Kim - Wellington Management Co. LLP

Yes. Thank you..

Richard J. Dugas, Jr. - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

I don't know if we have that at the tip of our tongue. We could certainly work on that and potentially get back to you. I think it's....

Robert T. O'Shaughnessy - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President

Yeah. Gabe, it's complicated because you've got options lots in here versus owned lots. So are you talking about committed capital, spent capital, in particular the newer Del Webbs. For the older ones typically we own them, but for the newer ones we've tried to structure them with option takedowns. So let us give that some thought.

And maybe when we present this either at the next investor conference or next quarter, we'll try and get some color in there for you..

Gabriel A. Kim - Wellington Management Co. LLP

Okay. But the question really is the dollars because we've heavily written down the stuff on the left; and the stuff on the right, maybe not so much. But the turnover expressed not in years, but in dollars. That's kind of what I'm interested in getting a sense for..

Robert T. O'Shaughnessy - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President

Gabe, I think it's fair to say that the dollars associated are not gigantic for the company based on the total investment. And to your point the write-downs, which is reflective on the following slide, slide 12, which shows the sort of legacy lots, which many of these Del Webb lots would be included in that as a margin tailwind going forward..

Gabriel A. Kim - Wellington Management Co. LLP

Okay. It'd be good to see that number. Nice numbers. Thank you..

Richard J. Dugas, Jr. - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

Thank you..

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Buck Horne from Raymond James. Your line is open..

Buck Horne - Raymond James & Associates, Inc.

Hi. Thanks. Good morning. I realize you guys are hesitant and restricted in what you want to say about the Pulte family's recent letter, so I'm going to be careful how I word this.

But if the board were to identify a CEO candidate before next year, could we expect to see a transition before the expected or the previously announced retirement date for Richard?.

Richard J. Dugas, Jr. - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

Buck, this is Richard. The board plans to undertake a thorough review, as we talked about in our public disclosures. Sometimes CEO searches can be lengthy. So it's certainly expected that I'm going to fill out my announced term through May of 2017, but we'll keep you focused as that develops.

And I think the board's been real clear that they're going to take a deliberate process here, and they intend to follow it..

Buck Horne - Raymond James & Associates, Inc.

Okay.

And I understand the current situation is a little complicated, but would the board seek to consult with the Pulte family on the next potential CEO candidate? And also are there any allowances that are in the new SG&A guidance related to your expected retirement?.

Richard J. Dugas, Jr. - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

There's nothing in our SG&A guidance related to expected retirement, I can tell you that. And I'll just reiterate that the board has a special committee of independent directors that they formed to look for my successor.

And I just want to ensure every investor until the day I walk out of here, our entire team is focused on continuing to successfully execute value creation. And our board has a really good process underway; and you can expect that will be revealed over time..

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Mark Weintraub from Buckingham Research. Your line is open..

Mark A. Weintraub - The Buckingham Research Group, Inc.

Thank you. And I really do appreciate the slide 12, it's helpful and interesting.

Was hoping to get a sense of how many of your total existing lots now would be legacy lots?.

Robert T. O'Shaughnessy - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President

Again, looking at the portfolio, it's relatively modest outside of Del Webb. And in the Del Webb position, you can see there's 36,000 lots. If you look at slide 11, there's 36,000 lots in that book that we would characterize as those legacy assets..

Mark A. Weintraub - The Buckingham Research Group, Inc.

Okay. Not wanting to get too technical, but I noticed that was prior to 2012. This is somewhat different date frames, but....

Robert T. O'Shaughnessy - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President

It is. But they're pretty close to the same in that context..

Mark A. Weintraub - The Buckingham Research Group, Inc.

Okay. Okay, great. And I think you answered this question when you said that the legacy lots would continue to be a tailwind.

But the legacy lots that have been sold more recently, would they be meaningfully different than the remaining lots that you would have as legacy lots? Have you been selling much better legacy lots as opposed to those that are less well-positioned?.

Robert T. O'Shaughnessy - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President

No. I don't want to put words in your mouth, but we're not cherrypicking which lots to sell..

Richard J. Dugas, Jr. - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

And, Mark, this is Richard. To add to something Bob said earlier, there's not a big block of legacy lots that are sitting and waiting to be sold off.

There are a lot of positions that are primarily Del Webb that have eight years, 10 years, 12 years of life left that will be worked through at a reasonable pace over the next eight years, 10 years, 12 years that will continue to impact in a positive way, as you can see, margins going forward.

But there's not going to be a big slog (57:15) coming through at any one time. To Bob's point, we've been very deliberate with regard to the way we're managing those assets; and we've done a nice job with..

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Nishu Sood from Deutsche Bank. Your line is open..

Nishu Sood - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.

Thank you. There's been some pretty good discussion already about your delivery schedules and what you're doing to manage those and the additional field personnel and how we should expect improvement. I wanted to dig in a little bit to the labor market itself, the subcontractor pool and what you're seeing out there.

Are those issues gradually easing over time? Are pay scales rising? And is that helping to solve a problem? Do you see new sources of labor coming into the subcontractor pool? What are you seeing out there? It doesn't seem to be showing up in the macro data in terms of higher wage rates.

So what are you seeing out there and how do you expect that to trend over the course of the year?.

Ryan R. Marshall - President

Nishu, this is Ryan. We've seen stability in the labor market. Certainly, labor supply is tight. It has been, and we expect that it will continue to be tight as we move through the year. We have not seen a huge influx of new labor come into the industry.

And we're going to continue to run our business much like we have in the past; and we don't expect a significant change. So it's going to be stable..

Nishu Sood - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.

Got it. And in terms of its impact on your cost structure, obviously there were some pressures last year for you folks and I think for a number of builders.

How has that trended more recently and has that cost profile come back in line? And are you able to recover any cost increases through the pace of home price appreciation?.

Ryan R. Marshall - President

Well, certainly we've seen labor rates up. We've talked about that. We've seen input costs, commodity costs generally down or favorable; not necessarily down, but favorable, so not increasing. And obviously we are seeking to maximize price across the buying spectrum in all cases. And so, we have seen price appreciation.

I would suggest it was certainly enough to cover the incremental input costs..

Operator

And our final question today comes from the line of Alex Barrón from Housing Research Center. Your line is open..

Alex Barrón - Housing Research Center LLC

Yeah. Thank you.

Sorry if I missed it, but what was the interest rate on the new debt you guys issued?.

Robert T. O'Shaughnessy - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President

We did two tranches, a five-year piece and a 10-year piece. And the 10-year piece was 5.5%, but through five-year it was 4.25%..

Alex Barrón - Housing Research Center LLC

Okay. Yeah. I think that's all I have. Thanks..

Richard J. Dugas, Jr. - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Alex..

Operator

And I will now turn the call back over to the presenters for any concluding remarks..

James P. Zeumer - Vice President-Investor Relations and Corporate Communications

Great. Thank you, Carol. Thanks, everybody, for your time today. We're certainly available if you've got any follow-up questions; and we'll look forward to speaking with you on the next call..

Operator

This concludes today's conference. You may now disconnect..

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