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EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT
EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT 2020 - Q2
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Operator

Good day and welcome to the Nomad Foods Second Quarter 2020 Earnings Conference Call. Today's conference is being recorded. At this time, I'd like to turn the call over to Taposh Bari, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead..

Taposh Bari

Thank you for joining us to review our second quarter 2020 earnings results. With me on the call today are Chief Executive Officer, Stéfan Descheemaeker; and Chief Financial Officer, Samy Zekhout. Before we begin, I would like to draw your attention to the disclaimer on Slide 2 of our presentation.

This conference call may make forward-looking statements that are based on our view of the company's prospects, expectations and intentions at this time, including consideration related to the impacts of COVID-19.

Actual results may differ due to risks and uncertainties, which are discussed in our press release, our filings with the SEC and this slide in our investor presentation, which includes cautionary language. We will also discuss non-IFRS financial measures during the call today.

These non-IFRS financial measures should not be considered a replacement for and should be read together with IFRS results. Users may find the IFRS to non-IFRS reconciliations within our earnings release and in the appendices at the end of the slide presentation available on our website.

Please note that certain financial information within this presentation does represent adjusted figures for 2019 and for 2020. All adjusted figures have been adjusted for exceptional items, acquisition-related, share-based payment and related expenses as well as non-cash foreign exchange gains or losses.

And all comments from hereon will refer to those adjusted figures. And with that, I will hand the call over to Stéfan..

Stéfan Descheemaeker

first, we recognize that we are carrying more cash than we need.

And as a result, we are returning excess cash to our shareholders in what we believe is the most efficient way of doing so; second, we believe repurchasing our shares is a compelling and accretive use of our cash, while preserving financial flexibility to pursue our M&A pipeline as I just described.

Our confidence in the growth prospects of our business and the European frozen food category has never been higher. In fact, we have begun planning our first ever Investor Day to be held virtually later this fall to present the various growth initiatives ahead of us. We look forward to sharing more details on this exciting event in the coming weeks.

And with that, I will hand the call over to Samy to discuss the financials and guidance in more detail.

Samy?.

Samy Zekhout

1, the sustained level of growth that we have experienced throughout the pandemic, including double-digit organic revenue growth in June and July, despite the easing of government restrictions; 2, the accretive effect of the strategic investment that Stéfan described in his remarks; 3, the replenishment of retailer inventory, including the recovery of out-of-stock positions; and 4, the return to a more normal promotional level now that we have our service level back to normal.

As I mentioned earlier, gross margins are expected to increase in the back half of the year as a result of supply chain productivity. And finally, we expect operating expenses to grow ahead of revenues as a result of our decision to deploy incremental strategic investments in the back half of this year. That concludes our remarks.

I will now turn the session over to Q&A. Thank you, operator, back to you..

Operator

Thank you. We will now be conducting a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Thank you. Our first question comes from the line of Andrew Lazar with Barclays. Please proceed with your question..

Andrew Lazar

Great, good morning, everybody, or I guess, good afternoon for you..

Stéfan Descheemaeker

Good morning, Andrew..

Samy Zekhout

Good morning, Andrew..

Andrew Lazar

I want to start off, if I could - I really appreciate the specific wording in today's release around the refined strategic focus, right, for some of your M&A going forward, to be really specific to sort of European frozen food acquisitions.

I think, Stéfan, maybe it was a few quarters ago, even where you had started to talk about the increased sort of time and resources that Nomad was spending against really developing relationships through multiple different avenues with potential targets around some of these types of frozen food targets.

And I'm curious, is it your sense that maybe those relationships are now starting to become a little more fruitful or you've got a little more visibility around how some of those might work out? And how has the sort of current state of affairs, all things pandemic-related, impacted some of those discussions maybe with potential targets one way or the other? That would be the first thing..

Stéfan Descheemaeker

Okay, okay. Thank you. Long question, I'll try to, let me start with a bit of background, Andrew. It's 14 consecutive quarters of growth, this with a cash flow that is generating this quite high, more than 0.5 times a year, obviously deleveraged balance sheet.

And in the middle of this, with and without COVID by the way, frozen food that is, looks increasingly attractive. And we're in the middle of this as the category leader. So we think - and again, that's why deliberately I'm talking about organic and inorganic, but both are extremely attractive for us.

And I think it's the right thing to do, which is to be disciplined to be logical which is we're going to focus behind this category. Green Cuisine is a great example. And in terms of M&A, yes, I think it's important to mention, and you're right talking about refined M&A focus. It's an interesting pipeline.

It's a pipeline where for - as a leader, you have all the reasons to generate good value from this. And besides that, obviously, you know as much as I do, that M&A is - you have to talk to people. And at some stage, it's coming. So, when you can't plan these things, but you have to be ready.

And what we see is with refined focus and with so much cash, we think it's only the right thing to do to return cash to shareholders while leaving, obviously, enough cash and cash flow generation for this refined focus. So that's how we see things, which is we think quite logical and also requires obviously quite some discipline..

Andrew Lazar

Thank you for that. And then, I don't know if you have this handy. And if not, obviously that's fine. You talked about some of the trial and repeat metrics that you're seeing for current - I think you described it as current Nomad users.

I didn't know if we dig down a little bit there and we look at those that are - consumers that are new to the brand, if you will, how their repeat looks as well..

Stéfan Descheemaeker

That's the good news. And again, let me use, a potential - a good proxy, which is the millennials. And what we can see is that these new Nomad buyers, we - the millennials over-index. And it is interesting, Andrew, it goes the same way in UK, in Germany, in Italy, which represent altogether something like two-third of our business.

So that's for us a good news, 2 good news. One is that we are gaining penetration across the board. And second, when you - to your point, when you would dig deeper, you go to the millennials, it goes even faster..

Andrew Lazar

Great. Thanks very much..

Stéfan Descheemaeker

You're welcome..

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of John Baumgartner with Wells Fargo. Please proceed with your question..

John Baumgartner

Good morning. Thanks for the question..

Stéfan Descheemaeker

Good morning..

Samy Zekhout

Good morning, John..

John Baumgartner

Samy, you're - Good morning. You're about 4 to 5 months into this elevated COVID demand environment. And I'm wondering if you could elaborate a little bit in terms of what you're learning about your supply chain right now, whether it's newfound realization of flexibility.

You mentioned the increase in capacity or maybe even new recognition or inefficiencies in the midst of this demand uptick. So how are you thinking about the phasing and the opportunity set related to the overheads and the lean manufacturing at this point? Thank you..

Stéfan Descheemaeker

Let me start again by thanking our people in terms of supply chain. I think they've been fantastic. And with - all the 13 plants have been left open throughout this whole process, which shows something in terms of motivation of our people.

The reality is we have a reasonably tight, and obviously we're working on it, capacity utilization across the plants, especially with our big plants in Germany and in the UK. And so, while the team has done a fantastic job, we've been producing as much as physically possible.

And in the meantime, during this crisis, where our service level unavoidably went to - started to go down, we also have tried to respond by reducing the promotional activity, because that would have been a mistake.

And by doing so and by obviously working very hard with the supply chain, now we're back to, I mean to more normal level in the region of 98%. And we've been able to produce some safety stocks, so that we're feeling in a better shape in the - looking ahead in Q2. So that's where we are. We're not standing still, obviously.

We are also checking short to mid-term how we can obviously increase some capacity in some plants. But that's where I think we are. And we see this, by the way, in terms of market share starting to normalize.

Samy, anything else I'm missing?.

Samy Zekhout

No, Stéfan..

John Baumgartner

Thanks for that. And then, Stéfan, just a quick follow-up on Green Cuisine, wondering if you could just update a little bit for us in terms of the UK, household penetration, market share, anything noteworthy there? And then, I think also in H1, you launched into a number of new markets.

Obviously, still early, but I'm curious any observations you can make thus far in terms of retailer merchandising and you have initial buy-in, before the marketing really kicks-in in the back half of this year? Thank you..

Stéfan Descheemaeker

Yeah. So overall, and again, independently from COVID, I think what we can see in the countries like UK or Ireland where we started ahead of time, and in the new countries, we're gaining market share.

So that it means something that we, as a category leader in frozen food, we're coming with the right combination in terms of quality of products and in terms of pricing. So that's one thing and that's very interesting for us.

What we also can see is, yes, initially we thought that we will be a bit late this year given COVID, because when you have that kind of crisis, the retailers, and for the right reasons by the way. The retailers prefer to focus on a very limited number of SKUs, because it makes their life easier.

It's a better allocation of the space and all the rest of it. And I fully understand that. And at the same time, what we've seen is, no, I think we're not behind plan, quite the contrary. We've seen all our countries, with the exception of 3 markets, but they're going to come in the second - by next year, they will be also ready.

So another 8 countries have launched Green Cuisine. And in our model, John, what you need to understand is, it's global local, obviously, to have the input and to have the, let's say, the feedback and really have the countries with you is crucial. And so, with the enthusiasm that we have seen from these guys, we are very positive.

We are more than ever confident that our target of €100 million plus by 2022 will be achieved. And in the meantime, we're not standing still. So we've started to advertise in Germany and Austria. Other countries will come.

We also, in terms of innovation, we're coming with - I think it's coming next month actually in September in the UK, with the new line of plant protein in terms of poultry, which is excellent. I can tell you, it's a great taste, fantastic. So all our exec members, when we have this, I know it's a digression, but still I couldn't resist.

We have this tasting session. I can tell you at the end of the testing session, nothing was left. That would say something about the quality of the product. So that's where we are. We also, as you can see, we've also decided to allocate part of the €10 million to further reinvestment behind Green Cuisine, because we think it's a great category.

It's there to stay, but you have to think big, and that's what we increasingly are doing. So that's what we see. So we all - and I'm sure that what I'm saying is fully representative for what the whole organization thinks behind Green Cuisine, very exciting, and fully in line with our strategy..

John Baumgartner

Thank, Stéfan. Much appreciated..

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Rob Dickerson with Jefferies. Please proceed with your question..

Matthew Fishbein

Hi, good morning. It's Matt Fishbein on for Rob. Thanks for the question and congrats on a solid quarter..

Stéfan Descheemaeker

Good morning..

Samy Zekhout

Good morning..

Matthew Fishbein

So A&P was down in - it was down double digits in Q2 and you're investing an incremental €10 million in the back half. I'm assuming that's on top of the Q2 shift.

What does the promotional environment in your key geographies look like currently? Have you seen a full normalization of promotional activity or some markets still less promotional than others? And on Green Cuisine, glad to hear you're doubling down and it's exceeding plans.

On the Q3 rollouts, thinking back to the slide you shared with us at CAGNY showing the 2020 timeline, will Green Cuisine be out in all those planned markets by the end of Q3 or Q4? I think in response to John's question, you said that some markets are now planned for the beginning of next year, just trying to get some clarity around that.

And how many of these markets have seen advertising get activated already versus how much is coming on later this year? Thank you very much..

Stéfan Descheemaeker

Samy, do you want to start with the promotion side?.

Samy Zekhout

Yes, I'll get started on the promotional side. I mean first foremost, yes, we've been shifting, I mean, advertising spending from Q2 to Q3, and have made the strategic choice to reinvest in the range of about, let's say, €10 million. You can see effectively that there was a very strong momentum.

I mean that gives us the confidence that this was the right move with the appropriate return on those investments. The one thing that's important to note is this is a promotional category. So we have to be clearly present from a promotional standpoint.

And so, when you look at where we are today with our supply chain back to almost normal, we are going to take our promotion back to normal as well and be able to defend the business. I'll leave it up to you to Stéfan, to Stéfan to comment on Green Cuisine..

Stéfan Descheemaeker

Yes. Thank you, Samy. So back to the countries, actually having already 10 countries carrying Green Cuisine is higher than what we originally planned. So that's very good for us. And again, the Nordics are coming very early next year, so that's that. Second piece in terms of advertising, we already started to advertise in Ireland and in the UK last year.

And actually we're just starting to advertising in North Germany and in Austria as we speak actually. The other countries are going to follow in the coming weeks, so more to come. Its initial results are good. And by the way, something I forgot to mention is what we can see is also is a great enthusiasm from the retailers.

And we see this from the quality of the plans we're putting together with them..

Matthew Fishbein

Perfect. Thanks for the additional color and just a quick follow-up, Stéfan.

Have you won any incremental distribution beyond what you originally secured for Green Cuisine based on the retailers' response?.

Stéfan Descheemaeker

The answer is overall, as I said, a great response from the retailers in the UK, which is probably the best, where it's the most relevant piece, because that's the most mature market, and that's where we have already gained a significant position. What we can see is, without mentioning names obviously, by definition, you don't want to do this.

That we're working on partnership even closer with them, which means you understand what it means, yes, that we're doing well in terms of positioning in terms of obviously space allocated to Green Cuisine. And again, it's not limited to the UK. We'd invite you to go to France and you have some great examples of in-store activation..

Matthew Fishbein

Excellent. Thank you very much..

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Brian Holland with D.A. Davidson. Please proceed with your question..

Brian Holland

Yeah, thanks.

First question, if I could, can you just frame for us kind of what your sales trends are looking like, either kind of how you exited the June quarter or to the extent you might have information to that end in July?.

Samy Zekhout

So what we, I'll start and, Stéfan, you....

Stéfan Descheemaeker

Yeah, yeah, please, please, please..

Samy Zekhout

Sure. As we mentioned, actually we were up double-digits in June and July. And our prospect for the year is that we will be in a high-single-digit range roughly..

Brian Holland

Okay, thanks. Apologies if I missed that earlier. And then, last one for me, just on the M&A front, Stéfan. I think you mentioned in your prepared remarks that you passed on several opportunities. And I'm just reconciling that with the commentary about targeting more European frozen assets.

The stuff that you passed on, is that valuation-focused or is that just kind of - is that a valuation issue, or is this just thinking about kind of the momentum that you're seeing in frozen and just a decision that you've made as you looked at other assets, maybe outside your core, either from a category or a geography standpoint? Just maybe any color there that would help us understand the deals that you passed on..

Stéfan Descheemaeker

Actually, it's all of the above, let's put it that way. I think we've come up from the start by the way, with a list of criteria. We remained very disciplined with this M&A criteria. And all these acquisitions didn't pass the right test, sometimes in terms of valuation, sometimes in terms of quality of assets.

And then, increasingly so, what we could see is, as you know, over the last years, this category is really improving. Obviously, it's been exacerbated by COVID and I think it's more than a short-term blip and we're in the middle of this.

So with this, when we saw this, we thought that refining going, focusing even further behind frozen, where we know we understand the category much better than anything else was the right thing. So it's a combination of both.

And again, and I used the word probably several times today, so maybe too many times, but I think it's a question of discipline as well. M&A is also a game of patience. It is difficult, because sometimes you are getting too excited for something you have worked very hard for.

And at the same time, you should never forget, you know that, it's about patience, it's about discipline. And discipline in this context means for us that buying back our shares is, we think, the right investment..

Brian Holland

Appreciate the color. Thank you..

Stéfan Descheemaeker

You're welcome..

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Bill Chappell with Truist. Please proceed with your question..

Bill Chappell

Thanks, good morning, good afternoon..

Stéfan Descheemaeker

Good morning..

Bill Chappell

I guess first on the M&A and on the tender offer, I mean should we look to that to imply I guess, one, that you basically - the things you're looking at are more expensive than your current stock price, and so this was a better use of cash in the near-term? And then two, should we assume that the big potential acquisition that was out there is really kind of moved on to - it's really more of the smaller consolidating-type acquisitions versus kind of reaching for the big opportunity that sounds like it's now out of reach?.

Stéfan Descheemaeker

I want to do this slightly differently if you don't mind, Bill. Back to the multiple, I think multiple is one of the variables, and it's only one of them. And sometimes you have fantastic deals that may be at a high multiple, and sometimes you have poor deals at low multiples.

So I'm not sure that multiple is - it's only one variable, one criteria, so I would not [commit] [ph] myself to the multiple. And then in terms of size of the deals, the nature of the frozen food in Europe is such that most of the deals are midsized. And that's just that, that's just why.

And the decision to go to return cash to shareholders is just a manifestation of what the reality of the market is.

We believe that with the balance sheet we have after the tender, with the cash flow generation we have, and we see - we compare this with the kind of assets that are available and interesting assets, we believe that we can do them, because they're mostly midsize by nature today. So that's that..

Bill Chappell

Got it. And then just switching to kind of private label, I guess the thought is we'll have an extended recovery. Private labels are already fairly prevalent. Some of your - especially just frozen veggie categories can be viewed as commoditized. I understand that you're putting more money to kind of retain the new customers and brand building.

And obviously Green Cuisine is different.

But can you kind of help us understand kind of your outlook over the next few quarters of just how you thinned off private label or consumer trade-down in some of those more commoditized categories?.

Stéfan Descheemaeker

Okay, let me start with the word commoditized because - and I know that a lot of the Nomad Foods employees do listen to this session. And they would totally disagree with you, by the way.

When you go to the UK, for example, and you would say that our peas are commoditized, no, they're coming with a premium because they have quality that is really premium. You cannot imagine how much care has been put behind these vegetables in terms of quality, in terms of education, in terms of training with the farmers.

And again, it's limited to the UK. You would go to the spinach in Germany, you would have the same. So that's our first thing because commoditized, I can tell you, I mean it's not - it's quality product. And it doesn't come by chance. It's really a question of know-how and many things.

So sorry for this long digression, but I it was important to make the point. Back to private label, in Europe we probably have a longer tradition of private label than in the U.S. I've seen that also in my background in - as a retailer, both Europe and in the U.S.

So today private label represents around 40% depending on the category, but overall it's stabilizing. What we have seen during these 3, 4 months is actually the market share of the private label has been stable, and to some extent in some countries, even declining throughout the year - throughout the 4 months.

So now if you're looking ahead of us, when you look at the likely recession, I would - even before starting to talk about private label, I would start about - I would talk about, let's say, frozen food, which is a - convenient but it's also, I mean, affordable, and our products are affordable. So this category tends to do well during recession times.

Obviously, private label does well as well. But again, we - as an A brand between our core products, Green Cuisine, the retention of our new consumers, we will - and our additional investments, we believe that we have what it takes to be - to do well during these times.

And again, private label and A brands do well better, because retailers do need these brands as well..

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Jason English with Goldman Sachs. Please proceed with your question..

Jason English Interim Head of Investor Relations

Hey, good morning and good afternoon, folks. Thank you for sliding me in..

Stéfan Descheemaeker

Hi, Jason..

Jason English Interim Head of Investor Relations

I want to come back to the M&A strategy. And first, I'm very - we find it to be very welcome news, the buyback and the increased discipline, the increased focus. But I guess I'm still a little unclear as to what catalyzed this narrowing of focus.

Because the last couple of years, I've heard you talk about expansion into different categories, expansion into different markets. But now you're coming back, you're really narrowing, really focusing and bringing more discipline.

What changed? What catalyzed that pivot?.

Stéfan Descheemaeker

I wouldn't put it that way, Jason. I think it's - the last 5 years have been a journey. When we started, Nomad was losing market share in a declining category. A tired category, I would put it that way. And the first thing we've done is to make sure that in terms of turnaround, we would regain our position as leader in the category.

And then little by little, what we've seen is the category has - at least has potential - had the potential to offer more. And what we see increasingly so is that it is really a very - more than promising. It's doing extremely well as a category. And we are in 2 sweet spots, which is we are the category leader.

We're coming with new products, you know the rest of it. I would say COVID has only exacerbated this trend. And we thought from that, it's unavoidable that the best way to be disciplined and also to be mindful in terms of value creation is we are in the middle of this. We have everything that it takes in terms of organic growth.

We have what it takes in terms of inorganic growth. Let's go for it, and that's that. But when you think about the must-win battle, the COVID retention, the Green Cuisine, all the things we have developed over the last 5 years, this goes very well with a focused and disciplined approach organically and inorganically.

That's why - and at the same time, we obviously - you can imagine, Jason, we've spent quite some time thinking what the pipeline is. And it's - without mentioning names, it's a very good pipeline. It's a very attractive pipeline, and that should keep us busy for quite some time..

Jason English Interim Head of Investor Relations

Okay. That makes a lot of sense. I agree with it a lot. Coming back to business momentum, you sort of foreshadowed a bit into 2021 when you mentioned that your cost position when we contemplate both where commodity's going, particularly fish and in currency.

In the context of the economic backdrop, sort of building on last question, potential private label pressure and deflationary input costs into next year, how should we think about your pricing? You successfully raised prices through the inflationary period.

Is now the right time? Is it appropriate to give some of that back, whether it be in the form of list price or higher promotions as we think about 2021?.

Stéfan Descheemaeker

Okay.

Samy?.

Samy Zekhout

Sorry. I mean at this stage, to be fair, it's premature, I mean, to talk about 2021. I mean we're holding a lot of the observation you have in terms of economic trends that are absolutely right. And we're going to have an Analyst Day. I mean we're undertaking now a complete review of our plans.

I mean as we are refining going into the next year, capitalizing on the momentum that we have in the second half. And we'll have an Analyst Day as we said, I mean, to clearly share with you the plans and how we're going to be managing all of this, I mean, across the year of, let's say, across next year.

So at this stage, frankly, we'd rather really reserve the comments for 2021..

Jason English Interim Head of Investor Relations

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I understand. Thank you very much. I'll pass it on..

Samy Zekhout

Thank you..

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Robert Moskow with Credit Suisse. Please proceed with your question..

Robert Moskow

Hi, thanks. I think several people have already asked about private label spreads already, but I'm going to ask it in a different way.

In your interaction with retailers, have you seen them start to develop more aggressive private label plans for merchandising? Like your categories are growing, and I would imagine that private label retailers like to expand private label in categories with a lot of growth.

So can you comment on what you think their plans are for expansion, particularly in plant-based protein? Because it seems like there is access to that texturized protein if those retailers want to develop their own versions of Green Cuisine..

Stéfan Descheemaeker

So - Hi, Robert. The answer to your first question, the answer is yes. We see that they're developing plans. And at the same time, we think it's absolutely fine. There is a place for brands and especially for A brands. And we are A brands, and that's absolutely critical. There is place for A brands and for private label.

And the game as such has not changed, Robert, it's always the same. You need to come up with things that are attractive to these guys. Plant protein is a good example. An improved quality is another example.

Because at the end of the day, what matters for the retailers, and I know that for a fact, is the key indicator is the gross profit per square meter or per SKU. And from that standpoint, A brands are just fantastic. So that's what we need to deliver. I think at the same time, there will be also a brand and non-brand rationalization, which is also fine.

I think at some stage, too much choice for the consumers is not necessarily a good thing. And that's what the kind of things we need to do. And at the same time, it's going to be our job obviously to make sure that our innovations like Green Cuisine are well positioned.

But to your point about plant-based protein, is it available - is the technology available to these guys? At some stage, it will be. But again, nothing new in this world, it's always been like this. It's the job of brands to come up with the innovation.

And at some stage, is it 6 months, 1 year, 2 years or 3 years down the road? The retailers that are obviously following with private label. So that's nothing new. And I don't see why plant protein should be different from that standpoint. So you have to come up with better quality.

And that's why you heard me saying I was almost becoming, I would say, romantic about the quality of plant protein and with poultry, which is just remarkable..

Robert Moskow

Okay. All right. I'll follow up later. Thank you..

Stéfan Descheemaeker

You're welcome..

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Faiza Alwy with Deutsche Bank. Please proceed with your question..

Faiza Alwy

Yes. Hi, good afternoon..

Stéfan Descheemaeker

Good morning..

Faiza Alwy

Hi. So I wanted to talk about various - sales in various countries, because as we dig a little bit deeper, it feels like some countries did better than others. We know about some of the issues in the Nordic region, but I thought UK was a little bit below Italy, Germany, France.

So I'm curious if you could provide more color around that? Was it more of a market differences? Or were there share differences?.

Stéfan Descheemaeker

Samy?.

Samy Zekhout

Sure. Yeah. Hi, Faiza. Overall, if you think of, let say, all of the markets with, say, minor exception, we had a pretty consistent H1 performance across the board. I mean as we had mentioned, I mean in the vast majority of our market have been growing quite significantly.

And if you talk about the UK, I mean the UK was up about 16% in Q2, which was quite above, I mean, average. So I think when you look at effective the total map from the market, you really see the big ones, I mean, clearly winning very well, driving the growth and a bunch of smaller ones as well continuing to get on the same growth pattern overall.

But the growth was pretty broad-based, I would say..

Faiza Alwy

Okay. And then just on - I know you've talked previously about e-commerce. And I think when we talked in June, you talked about the significant acceleration in online grocery and how your share is higher there.

So I'm curious if those trends have continued as some of these markets have begun to reopen and what your share performance has been online?.

Stéfan Descheemaeker

The answer is yes. I think the growth remains very, very high, sometimes north of 50% until now. And so that's more than a blip. And in the meantime, interestingly enough, in the most mature markets that is the UK, all the big players have doubled sometimes the capacity. We also have obviously people like Ocado. So it's there to stay.

Again, we like e-commerce. We like e-commerce because it's - frozen food is doing well with e-commerce for a variety of reasons, defensive and offensive, and we see that in our numbers..

Faiza Alwy

Okay. And then I do apologize for coming back on the tender question. But in my opinion like, share repurchase, especially for a small-cap company, hardly ever creates long-term value creation. If anything, it might result in reduced liquidity. So I wonder if you thought about reducing your debt even further as opposed to repurchasing shares..

Samy Zekhout

We looked at all possibilities in the context that Stéfan has described. And our borrowing costs, I mean, today are about 3%. We looked at effectively the cash needs that we would have for the future in light of all of the comments that have made. We have a pretty good, I mean, leverage in place.

Actually, that would allow us to continue the strategy of growth that we have. And we felt that after a thorough review of all of our capital allocation options, that this was the best option, I mean, from a value - shareholder value creation..

Faiza Alwy

Okay. Thank you..

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Jon Tanwanteng with CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question..

Jonathan Tanwanteng

Hi, thank you for taking my questions, and congrats on a strong quarter and the outlook as well..

Stéfan Descheemaeker

Thank you..

Jonathan Tanwanteng

My first one is just as you look into 2021, is it possible to grow year-over-year given the extremely tough comps you've been facing? And what would it take to drive growth of it there? Is it Green Cuisine? Is it high customer retention from people new to the brands this year? And what do you - are you expecting to achieve that at this point?.

Samy Zekhout

It's - as I had mentioned, I mean, earlier to Jason, I think it's premature to say at this stage. We are clearly gathering all of the details to really setup our goals, I mean, as we get into the next year.

All I would say is that effectively we have a strong momentum with - especially with the investment that we are making in the second half exiting, I mean, 2020. And we are committing to driving, I mean, long-term sustainable growth. And we believe that we have the drivers.

I think the strategies we have in place have been proving very effective pre-COVID, during COVID and exiting from COVID with investment that we are making, we clearly feel confident of the momentum we have exiting the year..

Jonathan Tanwanteng

Got it.

And then just quickly on the July trends, are you finding that that's more people who are sticking with the brand as they go back to their normal lives? Or is it more that there's still people staying home, either due to a resurgence of pandemic scare in some regions? Or even where people are relatively safer, they're still likely to stay at and eat at home and not at restaurants?.

Stéfan Descheemaeker

At this stage, and again it's quite early to say, but what we see is really a combination of both, Jon..

Jonathan Tanwanteng

Got it. Thank you for the color..

Operator

We have no further questions at this time. Mr. Descheemaeker, I'd now like to turn the floor back over to you for closing comments..

Stéfan Descheemaeker

Thank you, operator. And thank you all for your participation on our second quarter earnings call. We are pleased to deliver another quarter of solid performance and are making the necessary strategic investments to fuel sustainable long-term growth in the business.

At the same time, we are pursuing a disciplined approach to capital allocation, which has created the opportunity to return a significant amount of excess cash to our shareholders. Stay tuned for more details on the timing and agenda for Investor Day, which we are planning for this coming fall.

We look forward to updating you on our progress when we next report Q3 results in November..

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation, and have a wonderful day..

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