Good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to Nike’s fiscal 2015 second quarter conference call. For those who need to reference today’s press release, you will find it at investors.nikeinc.com. Leading today’s call is Kelley Hall, vice president, corporate finance, and treasurer. Before I turn the call over to Ms.
Hall, let me remind you that participants on this call will make forward-looking statements based on current expectations, and those statements are subject to certain risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially.
These risks and uncertainties are detailed in the reports filed with the SEC, including Forms 8-K, 10-K, and 10-Q.
Some forward-looking statements concern future orders that are not necessarily indicative of changes in total revenues for subsequent periods due to mix of futures and at-once orders, exchange rate fluctuations, order cancellations, changes in the timing of shipments, discounts, and returns, which may vary significantly from quarter-to-quarter.
In addition, it is important to remember a significant portion of Nike Inc.’s continuing operations including equipment, Nike Golf, Converse, and Hurley, are not included in these futures numbers. Finally, participants may discuss non-GAAP financial measures, including references to wholesale equivalent sales.
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Now, I would like to turn the call over to Kelley Hall, vice president, corporate finance and treasurer..
Thank you, operator. Hello, everyone, and thank you for joining us today to discuss Nike’s fiscal 2015 second quarter results. As the operator indicated, participants on today’s call may discuss non-GAAP financial measures.
You will find the appropriate reconciliations in our press release, which was issued about an hour ago, and at our website, investors.nike.com. Joining us on today’s call will be Nike, Inc.
President and CEO Mark Parker, followed by Trevor Edwards, president of the Nike brand, and finally, you will hear from our chief financial officer, Don Blair, who will give you an in-depth review of our financial results. Following their prepared remarks, we will take your questions.
We would like to allow as many of you to ask questions as possible in our allotted time, so we would appreciate you limiting your initial questions to two. In the event you have additional questions not covered by others, please feel free to re-queue and we will do our best to come back to you. Thanks for your help with this.
I’ll now turn the call over to Nike, Inc. President and CEO Mark Parker..
Thank you, Kelley, and hello, everyone, and happy holidays. Q2 was another outstanding quarter for Nike, and it demonstrates our ability to continue to drive strong, profitable, sustainable growth. For the quarter, Nike Inc. revenues increased 15% to $7.4 billion.
Gross margin expanded 120 basis points, diluted earnings per share increased 25% to $0.74, and we continue to deliver strong returns as our ROIC reached 27% and we increased our dividend for the 13th year in a row.
Delivering results like these requires a sharp focus on our growth opportunities, making disciplined choices to invest in those areas with the highest potential for return. The world of sport is constantly evolving as is the environment in which we operate. That opens up new opportunities for Nike every day.
But to identify and capitalize on those opportunities, we have to stay nimble. We need to balance making critical investments with managing risks, whether they be currency headwinds, commodity cost fluctuations, or an evolving political landscape. The word “balance” is key.
To capture the tremendous growth potential we see for Nike, we must invest, and a targeted approach to making the right investments helps us drive growth and manage risk. It’s a winning strategy that has allowed us to deliver profitable, sustainable growth quarter after quarter, year after year.
You know, I’m often asked how we can continue to grow, how there could still be places where Nike isn’t fully distributed. When I look at the potential in our business, I actually see the exact opposite.
The more we focus on knowing, connecting, and serving the consumer, the more opportunity I see for growth and when we capture those opportunities by leveraging the power of the Nike Inc. portfolio. Let’s take apparel as an example. Today, Nike is one of the largest apparel brands in the world.
But as we look up and down our apparel business, we see tremendous opportunity, from premium performance apparel to signature sportswear styles, from running, to basketball, to global football, from North America, to Western Europe, to China, from the Nike brand to Brand Jordan, to Converse, across men’s, women’s, and young athletes.
And within each of those dimensions, we segment further and further to find even more opportunity to drive growth.
Our diverse set of brands, categories, geographies, product types, and distribution channels provides a competitive advantage that is unmatched, and our relentless focus on serving the consumer allows us to see ever-expanding opportunities for growth within our existing portfolio.
Trevor will talk in more depth about our growth drivers in the Nike brand, but let me highlight two additional areas that we’ve been investing in to accelerate growth in our business. First, our women’s business. In October, I was honored to be a part of a powerful moment for Nike Women’s.
We introduced our spring/summer 2015 collections in New York City with 27 of the world’s top athletes. It was amazing to have Grand Slam winners, world record holders, and Olympic champions all in one place at the same time.
We were also there to spotlight an important cultural shift that’s happening, and sport is powering women’s lives like never before. We see it every day in our digital community of 65 million women, and women are driving a larger global movement of health and fitness.
They’re running in record numbers, they’re engaging in new kinds of workouts and athletic activities at a rapid pace, and that means they have new needs, which are creating new insights and inspiring new products and services. And by staying focused on the needs of the consumer, we’re driving growth in our women’s business.
There is tremendous energy in women’s and a significant opportunity for us in this important business. Second is our digital strategy. We see digital as an integrated ecosystem of digital communication with consumers, digital products and services to inspire and motivate, and of course ecommerce.
All three dimensions work together to deliver premium personalized experiences for our consumers and drive growth for Nike. Consumers are engaging with technology in new ways. It’s transforming the sport experience and the way in which we connect with them.
Athletes are getting a better understanding of themselves and their potential than they’ve ever had before, and we’re able to connect personally with more consumers than ever.
Digital is where the consumer is today, and where they will be going forward, and we’re excited about the potential of leveraging digital technology to further drive innovation and continue to deliver increasingly seamless digital experiences for our consumers.
Going a little bit deeper on ecommerce, it continues to deliver, with growth of 65% for the quarter. Our investments in infrastructure are really paying off in this space. We’re making it easier for consumers to buy our products and we’re presenting the brand in the most premium way.
With opportunity for even more innovation and expansion into new markets, this really is just the beginning of what’s possible for Nike.com. Ecommerce is, without a doubt, one of our biggest and most important growth opportunities, and it will be for years to come.
One of the reasons I’m so confident in our growth potential for Nike.com, and really, across our entire portfolio, is because Nike is relentless. We are always striving to deliver something better for the athlete and the consumer. We are, in a word, obsessed, and that obsession fuels innovation.
Since day one, we’ve looked to athletes as a source of inspiration, and that hasn’t changed. What has changed is the pace at which athletes demand more of themselves. As they strive for new levels of performance, they demand products that help them get stronger, faster, and more agile, really better in every way.
And that pushes us to deliver innovative products and services that go beyond what anyone thought was possible. And it requires us to accelerate the pace of our innovation, to improve not only what we make, but how we make it.
Today, we have tools and resources available to us that would have been unimaginable five years ago, from 3D printers, to high-performance knitting machines, to advanced textiles, just to name a few. And we’re not only focused on the quantum leaps in product innovation.
Equally exciting is our focus on continuously evolving our existing and proven performance technologies. Nike Air continues to be reinvented, as does Nike Free, Lunar, and Tech Fleece. We create products that are completely new and we make our existing products better.
We introduce game-changing innovation in every category in every global market, and at scale. No one else can deliver innovation like Nike can, and that is our greatest competitive advantage as a company.
Our ability to leverage and scale this innovation through compelling concepts and technologies across our portfolio of brands and categories, geographies and distribution channels, and on the world’s best athletes and teams, is driving tremendous growth for Nike around the world.
And while I’m proud of the results we’re reporting today, I assure you that we are hungry, we’re driven, and we are laser focused on the future. Our success lies in our ability to see what is possible and then relentlessly pursue it, to stay aggressive always, and remembering, as we say every day here at Nike, the consumer decides.
Our business has breadth and depth at a scale that is unmatched in our industry, and we have the leadership team and the strategy to drive sustainable growth. That is what you’ve seen from Nike in the past and that is what you can continue to expect from us going forward. Thanks, and now here’s Trevor..
running, football, and sportswear. Near term, we are working to keep the market healthy in Brazil. We are proactively managing the flow of product into the marketplace, whilst also swiftly working to clear any excess inventory through the closeout channel.
Long term, we remain confident that the emerging markets geography will drive significant growth for the Nike brand. Lastly, let’s take a look at Western Europe. With revenue up 24% in the quarter, we continue to see strong momentum for the Nike brand.
The exceptional growth was driven by our relentless focus on the consumer and our work to transform the marketplace in line with the category offense. We continue to develop more differentiated retail executions, both in our stores and with our wholesale partners, while continuing to flow amazing products into the marketplace.
All this combined to expand the market and help us take market share. Wholesale partners like Foot Locker, JD Sports, and Intersport are creating compelling category destinations in cities across the geography that are fueling growth.
And just as we’ve seen in North America, our DTC business in Western Europe also continues to perform very well, delivering 40% growth in the quarter. This resulted in a double digit revenue growth in every territory and strong growth across nearly every category, with sportswear, football, and running leading the way.
Western Europe is a perfect example of the tremendous opportunity that lies ahead for the Nike brand to drive long term growth. As we finish the first half of the year, the Nike brand has never been stronger. By staying focused on the needs of the consumer, we have driven exceptional revenue and profit growth.
While we feel great about the results we’ve delivered to date, we’re never satisfied. Like the athletes we serve, our focus is always on continuing to elevate our performance, and that’s what we’ll do in the second half of the year and beyond. Thanks, now here’s Don..
a legal charge included in last year’s Q2 results, and more favorable standardized exchange rates that we use for our geography segment reporting. The latter upside was largely offset within the corporate segment of our consolidated results. Revenue in Central and Eastern Europe accelerated in the quarter, expanding 25% on a currency neutral basis.
Excluding Israel, every territory reported double digit revenue growth, and every key category expanded, except action sports. Despite strong FX headwinds, reported revenue for CEE grew 17%, and EBIT grew 19%, driven by strong revenue growth and SG&A leverage.
In Greater China, currency neutral and reported revenue grew 21%, led by double-digit growth in sportswear, running, and basketball. As Trevor discussed, the Nike brand continues to lead the market, and we’re pleased with the results of our work to reset the marketplace for sustainable, profitable growth.
On a reported basis, Q2 EBIT in greater China increased 31%, driven by strong revenue growth and significant gross margin expansion, partially offset by increased investments in DTC and our new Shanghai campus. Given the continuing benefits of our strategy to reset the market, we now expect full year FY15 revenue in China to grow at a mid-teens rate.
In the emerging markets geography, Q2 revenue grew 13% on a currency neutral basis, as all territories except Mexico and Korea posted higher revenues. From a category perspective, the growth was led by sportswear, basketball, and running.
Reported Q2 results in the emerging markets geography reflected the translation and gross margin impact of strong FX headwinds, as reported revenue increased only 4% and EBIT decreased 3%. The reduction in profitability was primarily due to lower gross margin and higher operating overhead for new retail stores.
We continue to be confident in the long term growth potential for the territories that comprise our emerging markets geography, and as Trevor discussed earlier, we’re executing plans in each of them to realize that potential.
For Converse, revenue grew 24% on a currency neutral basis, driven by continued strength in existing direct distribution markets such as the U.S., the growth of DTC, and market conversions in Europe and Asia.
On a reported basis, revenue increased 21% but EBIT decreased 12%, driven by investments in infrastructure, demand creation, and DTC to enable long term growth. Over the last 90 days, we’ve seen our business performance accelerate and we expect that trend to continue into the second half of fiscal 2015.
At the same time, the dollar has strengthened against most other currencies and the FX markets have been extremely volatile. While our trading company structure and hedge programs do protect us from some of that volatility, we cannot entirely eliminate all FX risk.
Based on what we know today, we expect the net impact of these two factors, the strengthening currency neutral business performance and the downside from the stronger dollar, will net together to deliver full year results largely in line with the expectations we shared 90 days ago.
Specifically, for Q3 we expect constant dollar revenue growth in the low teens, with reported revenue growth of about 3 points lower, reflecting the stronger dollar. For the full year, we expect constant dollar revenue growth in the low double-digits, with reported revenue growth 2 to 3 points lower.
We expect gross margin for Q3 to expand by about 100 basis points. Growth in our higher margin businesses, including DTC, and strategies to increase average selling prices will continue into the second half of the year.
These benefits will help to offset increases in product input costs, our actions to clear excess inventory in the emerging markets, and increased FX pressure. For the full year, we now expect gross margin expansion of 100 to 125 basis points.
We expect demand creation to grow at a high single to low double digit rate for Q3, and at a high single-digit rate for the full year.
Operating overhead is now expected to grow at a high teens rate for Q3 and the full year, reflecting higher variable DTC expenses as well as investments in digital innovation, new operating capabilities, and expanded capacity. We continue to expect the effective tax rate for FY15 will be approximately 24.5%.
As you’ve heard from all three of us today, we’re pleased with the results we’ve delivered in the first half of FY15 and the momentum we see in our business. And notwithstanding the volatility we’ve seen recently in the macro-environment, we’re confident we’re on track to deliver strong growth for this fiscal year.
We’re now ready to take your questions..
[Operator instructions.] The first question is from Omar Saad with Evercore ISI..
I just really wanted to ask a follow up question on the gross margin line, Don. It’s still great expansion year over year. I think maybe you missed your projection for the second quarter a little bit.
Kind of wondering, what are the swing factors quarter to quarter near term? Is it FX and input costs, and then if those are the two big factors, we can see FX, but how should we be thinking about oil and some of the other input costs that go in there?.
Well, first of all, we gave a range on gross margin and our actual results were really essentially in line with that range. And as we’ve talked about before, there’s a lot of moving parts in gross margin.
As we look forward with gross margin, FX is one of the things that’s changing between the second quarter and where we expect the third quarter to be. As I said in my prepared remarks, we had a very small FX upside in Q2, basically because of our hedge positions. For FY15 Q3, so next quarter, we are expecting that to start turning into a headwind.
So yes, FX is the major driver. When you look at the underlying fundamentals of gross selling price improvements versus input costs, we’re continuing to make great progress from an operating standpoint on expanding margins..
The next question is from Robbie Ohms with Bank of America..
Don, you called out in gross margin one of the drivers as mix shift to higher margin products.
Can we get some insight into are you speaking about higher margins on some of the new apparel you’re doing? Or is it certain sneaker styles? What type of products are you mix shifting towards? And the second question was, I might have missed it, but you guys called out a lot of great things with momentum, but I don’t remember hearing Nike Free, or the word Fly Knit, or running in the U.S., but I just wanted to double check if I maybe missed something on one of those three things..
So, on your first question, this is a trend that we’ve seen for quite a while now, which is that with the strength of our brand and the flow of innovation we have into the marketplace, we have been essentially trading the consumer up to premium product. And that’s both on the apparel and the footwear side.
So it’s things like Tech Fleece on the sportswear front in apparel or just generally the performance apparel we’ve seen in running, as well as a number of other performance categories. And on the footwear side, it’s marquee footwear styles, running, basketball, sportswear.
So what this is is that long term trend to building product that’s premium for the consumer and can carry that price premium. And I’m going to hand the second question off to Trevor..
Yeah, I’ll jump in there. Obviously, as we go through the results, there’s a number of categories and dimensions of the business, so we always try and give you maybe just some different flavors as to how the business is doing. So maybe speaking specifically about running, we feel good about the running category.
It’s our biggest category and it’s what we always described as we really operate the complete offense. In terms of growth, for the quarter we actually saw mid to high single digit pace growth in the second quarter. In terms of the growth, it was actually pretty widespread. We saw particular strength in Europe as well as in China.
In Europe, both dimensions of Europe, so Central Eastern Europe as well as Western Europe. When you dive down specifically into North America, what we have been seeing, which is really across the board, our premium products are doing exceptionally well across the marketplace.
And so all the premium products, whether it’s the Structure, the Pegasus, the Lunar Glides, those are all doing really well. Where we have opportunity is really more in the lower price points and we are actively working to get onto that, and so we are bringing better products in the marketplace, and we will be doing that.
But all in all, we feel very good about our running business across the board, but clearly there’s some opportunity for us to continue to make sure we sharpen our focus along the lines of the complete offense..
As far as the Free and Fly Knit innovation from Nike, as I said before, I continue to be very bullish on both those areas of our innovation agenda. I recently spent time in our advanced R&D looking at some of the new concepts coming down the pipe here, some sooner than later. Very exciting developments in the free category as well as Fly Knit.
And we continue to be as bullish as we ever have been on the potential, as far as both those areas are concerned..
The next question is from Bob Drbul with Nomura..
The first one is, I think the China growth, I think you now are looking for midteens. I think that’s an improvement from the prior outlook. And I just wondered if you could elaborate a little bit more in terms of what’s developing there, how everything is going on the footwear side and the apparel side..
Yeah, great question, obviously. You know, as we’ve always been talking about, we’ve implemented a reset strategy in China, and we feel very confident that the reset strategy is working, as you could see certainly with the growth of 21%. We felt great about that result.
We also see futures up 13% as a very good indication that all our strategies are in place and we’re building them into the fundamentals of the business. And so as you’ll remember, the key to the strategy was making sure that we would drive more profitable and productive retail, and so we’re seeing both of those dimensions really hit.
Both were actually increasing the sell through of product, but it’s also at a much more profitable rate. So we feel that we’re actually doing all the things that we’ve talked about. We feel very good about the continued trend on the China business.
The metrics continue to show that when you look into working with our partners, their doors continue to profile really well. So again, we feel very good and the inventories in the marketplace are very clean. So all the dimensions of those businesses will suggest that we will continue to see continued strong growth in China..
I’ll just add that the strength of the brand in China is tremendous. The response to the product that we’ve introduced is also quite strong. We’ve obviously made measures to increase our productivity at retail, and we’re leveraging that across both our own doors and our partner doors in China. So we’re very excited about all of that.
And then as Trevor said, the inventory situation is actually quite good. So we’re bullish on the opportunity, and I’ll mention too that we just launched dot com here less than about seven months ago in China, and the response there has exceeded our expectations. So that’s another great opportunity for us..
And I just have a quick follow up question.
Can you just elaborate on the plans, as you think about FY15 versus next year, how are you guys going to comp against the success that the Ducks have had, and the Heisman Trophy winner from the University of Oregon?.
[laughter] That’s a good one. That’s a tough one to beat. We’re very excited about the football championships, and we’re very happy for whichever Nike team wins..
The next question is from Lindsay Drucker Mann of Goldman Sachs..
It seems as if every other global consumer products company is complaining about a very challenging macro dynamic.
Outside of the currency issues that you guys highlighted, are there any markets where you’re starting to see the second derivative turn a little bit softer, where you feel a little bit more cautious about or some disconnect between sell in and sell through? Or is your performance really as good as it seems?.
When you say second derivatives, you mean just overall consumer trends?.
Yeah..
Well, one of the things I’d say, just as an opening, is generally what we’ve found is our product and our brand are really the keys to how successful we are in a lot of these markets. And as long as we don’t see huge moves in the macroeconomics, we believe that we can continue to generate growth in the business.
And we’ve generally seen that to be the case around the world. There are a few places where we’ve seen some of the macros start to, at least in the near term, affect consumer confidence. Brazil’s an example of that. Certainly we think over time we’ve got to keep a close eye on Russia.
But generally, what we’ve found is our product is one of those things that consumers find ways to continue to buy and as long as we keep the brand hot and the product right and the distribution premium, I think we’ll do fine..
And maybe just to jump in there too, I would say that we also believe that with the category offense, it provides us an ability to continue to bring innovation on multiple dimensions all the time. And that’s what we’re seeing in many of the marketplaces. So we have been able to somewhat, so to speak, buck the trend.
Having said that, Brazil is clearly one of the markets that we’re continuing to work on, to make sure that we stay ahead of that curve, and that’s where we’re working to accelerate the marketplace and make sure that we continue to implement our category offense more aggressively in that market..
And you’ve talked about a strategy to take sort of ongoing inflationary price increases to offset what you had believed was sort of input cost inflation for an extended horizon.
Has the move in commodity markets changed your view on pricing going forward?.
Well, let me wind back to the first part of that question. We actually are not pricing literally with either inflation or input cost. One of the changes that we made over the last five years or so is really focusing on the consumer as we set price. And really, it’s about the value equation that we’re trying to create with the consumer.
And so when we bring innovation and brand strength and premium presentation at retail to the consumer, then you can move the consumer to premium prices. So we will obviously keep a very close eye on the consumer value equation.
We are managing our entire P&L, including margins and costs and revenue and so on, and so yes, it’s part of the calculus, but the pricing is really focused on maintaining the right consumer value equation in the marketplace..
The next question is from Jim Duffy with Stifel..
Trevor, a question for you. Visiting a number of the stores recently, the premiumization of the apparel is very evident. It also appears that the apparel collection is more tightly edited than in the past.
Is that accurate? And can you also comment on the impact that you’ve seen on apparel conversion in your direct to consumer, with the directional change?.
Yeah, I think you’re very astute, because absolutely that is what is taking place. I think on multiple dimensions. For instance, if you break into our apparel business and you break it out by segment, certainly you go by the women’s business. Our apparel business is doing very, very well. We’ve tightened the collections down.
We’ve made sure that they actually work across the line. So we’ve seen really good strong conversions. Our apparel business within our own doors does exceptionally well. Our sportswear business, or the example of the Tech Pack, which we think is a great item and collection, actually, that’s working across the business.
So we’re seeing strong conversion across. And one of the things that we’re learning, which I think Mark has always talked about this, which is by being a better retailer, we actually are better with our wholesale partners. So we’re taking that same knowledge of tightening the assortment and making sure that we apply that in the broader marketplace.
And so we think that’s actually what’s driving the great growth that we’re seeing..
You know, I will say, we’re known for our footwear innovation. We’re actually accelerating our commitment to innovation in apparel, and that’s really where we’re going to shine, I think, is to continue to really stand out from a performance premium apparel position, and then leverage that across what we talk about as our complete offense.
And we’ve done that, and where we’ve really gotten a lead on that, we’ve seen the consumer response has been actually quite positive. So as an innovation geek, product geek, I’m incredibly excited about applying that even more aggressively to the apparel side of our business..
The next question is from Jay Sole with Morgan Stanley..
There were some interesting comments in the beginning when you were talking about how you see a big apparel opportunity, how you’re investing in the Nike women’s business and you’re seeing incredible momentum there. At the end of last year, the men’s business was almost three times as big as the women’s business.
So if we think about it from a big picture perspective, what’s the opportunity to close that gap over time, given the momentum you’re seeing, given the investments you’re making? And can you talk about maybe some structural reasons why the gap can’t be the same eventually?.
Well, the opportunity I spoke to a little bit in my remarks, we’re seeing a big shift in women’s, just in terms of their participation in sports and being more physical. We’re seeing that online with the number of women we have participating in our Nike Plus and our training applications online.
So the relationship we have with the women and the trend that we’re seeing, it’s not really a trend, as I call it. It’s more of a cultural shift. So the appetite is there for more active product, and we’re seeing that in both footwear and apparel. So the opportunity to really start to close that gap is tremendous.
And we think that over the years ahead, we’ll start to reduce that differentiation between men’s as a percentage of Nike’s business versus women’s. So very, very bullish on the women’s opportunity and the response to the work that we’ve already done in elevating that part of our product and our communication..
Yeah, and I think as Mark just touched on, it really speaks to why we think the women’s is such a big and huge opportunity for us, and why we’re very focused on it.
We believe we are absolutely on target to go after our $7 billion goal for fiscal year 2017, but we truly believe it’s not about that, it’s actually about beyond, continuing to really move the needle around our women’s business..
The next question is from Michael Binetti with UBS..
Just quickly on the China business, it’s interesting because you guys used to give a fairly detailed report card, as you started to really go into the active mode of repairing that business.
Maybe we can look at just where we are in that business now as far as you were controlling inventories for a long time, working with the retailers to improve the presentation at retail and put some capex into those stores.
And I guess numerically, it’s very interesting to see 20% revenue growth off of 6% futures, and now that you’ve accelerated the futures to 13, how do we think about that spread going forward without getting to carried away with what we can look at? It certainly doesn’t point me intuitively to a midteens revenue growth for the year.
So just any help there would be great..
I think first of all, you’re right, in the previous quarters we were giving you a pretty detailed articulation, and one of the things we said that was because of the prior year comparisons, the futures growth rate and the revenue growth rates were not going to look all that obvious or all that intuitive, so that’s why we gave much more specific guidance on that market than we normally do.
And once again, this quarter we gave revenue guidance of mid-teens growth for the year, because it is a little hard to read the futures and the revenue growth, just because of the prior year.
Once we get past this fiscal year, we’re going to start to be anniversarying numbers that are a little more consistent, and we can go back to fairly normal relationships between futures and revenue. But for right now, what we would ask that you do is pay attention to what it is we give you as future guidance.
That is our best estimate of where we think the revenue numbers would be. You’re still going to see some unusual relationships between futures and revenue for a few more quarters..
And if I could just ask one more question on the gross margins, obviously the nuances of the gross margin we’ve talked about a bit on this call, but as we’ve visited over the last few years, the topic always comes up of when you guys can get back to the prior peak gross margins of just over 46%.
And we’ve heard you talk a lot about premiumization, and clearly you’ve worked very hard on that line in the P&L.
Do you think at this point that the work you guys have done on product and on manufacturing and on the focus on pricing, we’ve reset the bar long term for the grosses to be able to go over that level longer term?.
We don’t necessarily see there as being a ceiling on gross margin. As I said earlier in response to the pricing question, this is really about creating the equity in the brand and the product and how we distribute it that enables us to be premium and get paid for our work.
And we believe that we have opportunities in terms of the revenue portion of the equation as we continue to drive that value equation behind the innovation and the brand. On the cost side, we’ve talked about some of the things we’re doing in the manufacturing space.
We’ve talked about just getting better and better at how we flow product, and we continue to see opportunities there. So we don’t see that previous peak as somehow a magical ceiling. As I said in my earlier remarks, it’s a signpost on the journey, but we believe that we can continue to create that value in the margin equation..
And the final question is from Eric Tracy with Janney Capital Markets..
I guess if I could touch on digital, and ecom, obviously a couple of quarters now of pretty significant acceleration. Maybe just touch on the consumer migration, the evolution of that channel overall.
Obviously a massive opportunity, but how do you think about sort of expanding the market versus cannibalizing it and how you kind of maintain the relationships and balance with your wholesale partners?.
Good question. First of all, I’d say that our commitment to DTC, our direct to consumer business, is a huge and critical part of the commitment we have to create a more premium presentation for our brands and our products and ultimately, giving our customers, consumers, a better experience all around. So with that said, the world is changing.
Consumer behavior and expectations are certainly changing. More people, it’s no mystery to anybody here, are shopping online. They want products easy, they want it fast, they want to be able to customize and personalize, shop on their devices, and in an in-store setting.
So the relationship between those channels is really critical, whether it’s Nike direct or with our retail partners. And that’s really the focus of our marketplace development work is to really obsess how all the parts or channels actually work together, and work together in a way that really gives the consumer the best experience.
So we’re focused on how do we address the needs and expectation of the consumer as we say they ultimately decide. So Nike, I think you’ve seen, along with our retail partners, is expanding the market, and we’re seeing more positive results all around.
We think this is a win-win situation between Nike and our wholesale partners around the world, and that’s exactly what we’re seeing. Trevor mentioned, and we’ve said this quite regularly, being a better retailer is making us a better company and a better wholesale partner.
Nike.com, as bullish as we are, and as positive as the results have been, which are pretty spectacular, is still in the early stages. We’re investing heavily. This is one of the bigger growth opportunities for us long term, big improvements in just how the consumer interacts with Nike online.
Seamless cart experiences, making the transactions a lot easier. Actually, blurring the lines between transactioning online and in store. Supply chain improvements, improvements in ID. I could go on. Increased focus on mobile, very, very important for us. So the investment and the focus on this area will continue.
And not as a separate, isolated part of Nike, but as an integrated part of our business and our categories. So I’ll just say we’re obviously quite bullish on this, and this is where the consumer’s going, and this is where we’ll be..
All right, well, with that, we want to thank everyone for joining us. Happy holidays, everybody, and we’ll talk to you next quarter..