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EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT
EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT 2017 - Q2
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Executives

Ion Warner - Vice President, Marketing and Investor Relations Barry Pennypacker - President and Chief Executive Officer Dave Antoniuk - Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer.

Analysts

Mig Dobre - Robert W. Baird Seth Weber - RBC Capital Markets Jamie Cook - Credit Suisse Ben Burud - Goldman Sachs Charley Brady - SunTrust Robinson Humphrey Ann Duignan - J. P. Morgan Mike Shlisky - Seaport Global.

Operator

Good day, everyone. And welcome to The Manitowoc Q2 2017 Earnings Conference Call. Today's call is being recorded. At this time, for opening remarks and introductions, I would like to turn the call over to Ion Warner, Vice President, Marketing and Investor Relations. Please go ahead..

Ion Warner Vice President of Marketing & Investor Relations

Thank you, Malinda. Good morning, everyone. And welcome to The Manitowoc's conference call from our Shedy Pennsylvania facility to review the Company’s second quarter 2017 performance as outlined in last evening’s release.

Conducting the call will be Barry Pennypacker, President and Chief Executive Officer and Dave Antoniuk, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Today’s webcast includes a slide presentation, which can be found in the Investor Relations section of our Web site. We will reference these slides throughout the prepared remarks.

We will be sure to reserve time for questions and answers after our remarks. I would like to request that you limit your questions to one and a follow-up and return to the queue to ensure everyone has an opportunity to ask their questions. Please turn to slide two.

Before we begin, please note our Safe Harbor statement in the material provided for this call. During today's call, forward-looking statements, as defined in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995, are made based on the Company’s current assessment of its markets and other factors that affect its business.

However, actual results could differ materially from any implied projections due to one or more of the factors explained in Manitowoc’s most recent Annual Report on its Form 10-K filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

The Manitowoc Company does not undertake any obligation to publicly update or revise any forward-looking statement, whether the result of new information, future events or other circumstances. And with that, please refer to slide three, and I’ll turn the call over to you, Barry..

Barry Pennypacker

Thanks, Ion and good morning, and welcome everyone. I'm very pleased to report that we delivered $0.05 of adjusted diluted earnings per share during the period quarter and our adjusted EBITDA of $25 million was flat year-over-year despite a revenue decline of $63 million.

As a result of our performance in the first half of 2017 and expectations of revenue growth in the second half of the year, we're updating our full year guidance, which Dave will review with you later in the call.

Our reserves mark another quarter of improving financial performance in a very challenging market environment, and its proof of the power of the Manitowoc Way. Our commitment to continuous improvement and focus on our customers are key facets of the Manitowoc Way, and critical to our current and future success.

I want to take this opportunity to thank the Manitowoc team around the globe for their dedication to the operating culture we have implemented here, called the Manitowoc Way, and for delivering positive financial results for the first time since fourth quarter of 2014 with 40% or $270 million less in revenue.

We saw a year-over-year increase in orders and backlog; the fundamentals of the markets we serve have not materially changed as compared to this time last year. Global crane demand remains muted due to low global growth and energy CapEx.

However, we believe the long term outlook for the markets we serve remains positive and rest assured our management team and associates are preparing for this inevitable market recovery, and we will deliver better than market results to our key stakeholders.

Coming back to the $63 million year-over-year decrease in revenue; this was primarily driven by the significant drop in crawler crane shipments in the second quarter of this year.

As we explained in the first quarter call, at the beginning of 2016, the Company had substantially higher backlog of large crawler cranes and shift the significant volume of these in the first half of 2016.

During the quarter, we achieved measurable improvements in working capital as our year-over-year improvement exceeded $100 million with a primary driver being inventory reductions across all product lines.

This is a remarkable achievement; and that we've finally broken through the paradigm that we must increase inventory in the first half of the year in order to meet increased demand in the second half of the year.

We continue to focus on our growth strategy, which include receiving the first orders of approximately $11 million for the production of the U.S. Army contract; as previously indicated, the first two units of this contract will be shipped in 2017. This demonstrates the U.S.

Army's commitment to beginning to take delivery of cranes as part of its 192 million contract.

We observed that the overall global market sentiment for lattice boom crawlers and rough terrain cranes remains soft in the quarter; continued weak rental and used equipment prices in the Americas and Middle East recite the simple fact that there's frankly too much iron out in the field right now.

We have seen pockets of growth in specific markets within North America, such as the Permian and the Eagle Ford Basins; but as yet to see, broad sweeping improvement globally. European markets continue to show modest growth, underscored by residential and non-residential project activity.

We continue to drive new programs in our aftermarket business, which was approximately 20% of revenue in the second quarter with our long-term aspiration to continue to grow this important part of our business. And with that, I’ll turn the call over to David to walk us through the quarter’s financial results..

Dave Antoniuk

revenue down approximately 5% to 7% year-over-year, previous guidance was down between 8% to 10%; adjusted EBITDA approximately $59 million to $69 million, previous guidance was between $41 million and $59 million; depreciation approximately $40 million, previous guidance was approximately $40 million to $45 million; capital expenditure approximately $30 million, which remains unchanged and income tax expense of approximately $7 million to $10 million unchanged from our previous guidance.

I will now turn the call back to Barry for some further remarks.

Barry?.

Barry Pennypacker

Thanks, David. Moving to slide six. Living each day by the principles of the Manitowoc Way has enabled us to make progress in becoming a better crane company, while at the same time delivering improved financial results. As we outlined in the past, we have four key strategic priorities; market expansion, growth, innovation and velocity.

The first key element of our strategy is margin expansion. First, I'm very pleased to announce that the relocation of the crawler crane manufacturing from Manitowoc to Shady Grove is complete, on time and under budget. In addition, all the equipment now transferred to Shady Grove has been sold.

At Shady Grove, we're now capable of fabricating, machining, painting, assembling and testing of large crawler cranes. Investment in employee training has been extensive with over 21,000 hours completed in eight months to deliver excellent product quality and knowledge transfer.

This project is a remarkable accomplishment, requiring meticulous planning and project management to successfully complete in just under a year, and the team deserves a lot of credit for a job well done. Additionally, the Portuguese tower crane consolidation remains on schedule and on budget with the plant completion by year end.

Our next strategic priority is growth. Our new product pipeline remains focused on integrating the voice of customer, and grow stronger each quarter. I am pleased that nearly half of our orders in the second quarter, similar to the first quarter, were from products introduced since we became a standalone crane company.

And we continue to make investments in innovations to meet the needs and demands of our customers. Our key account management program is producing meaningful results where we have recently earned business from key customers that have not considered Manitowoc in the recent past for a variety of reasons.

These wins are hard earned and a testament that customers recognizing we are operating differently as a standalone crane company with a laser focus on meeting customers’, shareholders’ and employees’, ever evolving needs. Our third key strategic priority is innovation, which is the engine that drives growth.

As you recall from prior calls, we developed the Grove TMS9000-2 Truck-mounted crane from the ground up in six months. From this conference room, I can see the market leading cranes ready for shipment later this month. In fact, the first customer of this crane completed an in-depth inspection last Thursday with nothing but praise for the new product.

This is a major achievement for the team as this is the first crane being delivered to this customer since 2008. In support of our commitment to be the world leader in lifting technology, we continue our investment in lattice boom crawler cranes despite current market conditions.

An example of this is the enhancement to the MLC-650 and its VP Max configuration of a newly designed 3.5 meter wide boom insert. This enables customers to complete jobs that require more reach from the standard product footprint, particularly in the ever evolving wind industry. Our fourth key strategic priority is velocity.

We’ve talked a lot about how to use lien principles of the Manitowoc Way on the shop floor, but it’s more than that; it’s a paradigm shift in our culture and how we engage our customers and organize our employees.

Let me highlight an example of how we apply these tools to grow our boom truck business, which is a highly customized crane with a variety of commercial truck configurations.

Recently, we organized the cross functional team around our boom truck value stream, co-locating the team is Shady Grove to improve the velocity of the entire quote to delivery process. The initial results are promising with 60% improvement in the coating process, representing a two week total improvement in coat to order lead time.

The next step in this continued evolution is to focus on the order to delivery process. Another excellent example of implementing velocity is Niella Tanaro, Italy, where we produced our self-erecting tower cranes.

As our volume increased over the last year, we made large investments in automatic material movement for gym welding and the new powder coasting line in which resulted in increased capacity in these two areas of the shop. As a result of these investments, the assembly area quickly became a new bottleneck to achieving our attack time.

Using the tools of the Manitowoc Way, our kaizen team went to work and identify the non-value added in the assembly process, and created action plans to quickly eliminate the waste. After only one week, the assembly team started to achieve the increased flow and improved the daily volume 25%, thus achieving the required attack time.

As we conclude, our improving financial results is a direct result of implementing our strategic priorities; on the path to building our stronger, more valuable, more sustainable Manitowoc. We are committed to delivering shareholder return by achieving our goal of double-digit operating margins by 2020.

As announced last evening via our press release, Larry Wires will be leaving the Company at the end of the August. The Board and I thank Larry for his strong leadership over the many years with Manitowoc.

We are particularly appreciative of Larry’s service to the Company where he has been instrumental in building the Company, and will remain as a good friend to Manitowoc. With Larry’s departure, Aaron Ravenscroft will become our newly appointed Executive Vice President of Cranes and will be located in Dardilly, France.

As a result of this change, we continue to take actions to flatten our organizational structure, streamline our processes and reduce our cost base, in order to further improve our competitive position in the short-term and long-term.

The actions to be identified and communicated will better utilize our ability to achieve lower SG&A cost as we continue to march toward our goal of 10% operating margins by 2020. With that, we’ll turn the call back to Ion to begin the question-and-answer session..

Ion Warner Vice President of Marketing & Investor Relations

Thank you, Barry and David. Operator, please provide instructions..

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And we'll go to Mig Dobre, Baird..

Mig Dobre

Barry, I don't know if you're willing to comment on this or not. But you mentioned Bauma is a tough comp from last year, if I heard this correctly. The Army contributed $11 million to orders. So excluding that, orders are up something like 6%.

But I'm trying to understand if we’re excluding the Army order, if we're maybe adjusting for what happened with Baum the year prior.

What's the organic, the core growth rate that you're seeing in orders? And what is your level of comfort with the fact that this would be sustainable, going forward, based on what you're hearing from customers?.

Barry Pennypacker

Thanks Mig for the question, and I think it's -- the question that’s on everyone's mind. We don't believe that as we've said in our prepared remarks and we've said in our last couple of quarters that the fundamental market globally have changed dramatically.

As I mentioned, we do have some pockets of strength, particularly in the oil and gas basins in the Southern part of the United States that we've talked about. I believe that our current orders are more than substantial enough to meet our increased guidance that we’ve provided during this call and the press release last evening.

I continue to see an uptick in our orders through the month of July. So I'm absolutely 100% convinced that the market shares that we’re trying to gain, the targeted markets that we’re going after with our new innovative products, are paying the dividends that we need in order for this to grow.

David, I don't know if you have anything additional that you'd like to add..

Dave Antoniuk

No. Mig, just in general, I mean, we gave those data points for more for just comparative purposes. So the orders are inclusive of the $11 million that we called out for the Army contract.

And just to remind everyone that in the prior year we did have the Bauma Show, which gave an uptick but we don't particularly talk about the uptick that comes in those shows at this time. So it was more for comparative reasons..

Mig Dobre

I guess my follow-up. I'll ask you a question on gross margin, lot of moving pieces here. Obviously, we know your raw material input costs are probably coming up yet you managed to expand gross margins.

So maybe a view on how you're modeling this for the rest of the year, how you're thinking about it for the rest of the year? And on any incremental volume or revenue, if you would, going forward, how do you think about incremental gross margins?.

Barry Pennypacker

Well, one thing I want to comment on in particular is steel, because I know there's been a lot of discussion about steel input costs and how they were going to negatively potentially affect us for the second half of the year. I mean I'm very pleased with the actions that our commodity teams have taken globally.

And I'm proud to say that based on our forecast and contracts that we've led, we don't see steel as a headwind for us in the second half of the year; in fact, potentially a little bit help as we continue to progress. For more color on the gross margin, I’ll turn it back to David..

Dave Antoniuk

Mig, just a little clarity. So we were expecting steel cost as many were to rise. And if you look at the prices, they’ve steadied out albeit at a higher level. So in our modelling and what we look at, we didn’t anticipate -- we did anticipate a higher input cost regarding steel.

I think, in general, when you look at our margins, we still have the issue of lower volumes, particularly in Shady Grove facility, but we’ve been able to mitigate that with much lower cost in the facility and better throughput that’s absorbing some of the hours.

But needless to say, we are concentrating on growing our margins in spite of the tough environment at this time and that’s why we did a little bit better..

Mig Dobre

But David, on incremental gross margins?.

Dave Antoniuk

So on incremental gross margins. Where we look at what’s happening there, in the second half of the year, we have our European shutdown. So when we have a European shutdown there are variances in the facility, generate a little bit higher cost because there is less absorption in there.

And to be honest with you when we look at our product line portfolio, we have included in there some products that we anticipated selling at a little bit lower gross margins, just because of the cost to those products in our inventory..

Operator

And we’ll next go to Seth Weber, RBC Capital Markets..

Seth Weber

So David, I just wanted to actually follow-up on the Mig’s question on the margin. I’m trying to think about how much incremental save you’re going to have 3Q and 4Q versus 2Q with the relocation completed. Because it looks like you’re basically guiding to revenue flattish here sequentially through the back half of the year.

But it seems like you’re suggesting margins should come down a little bit from the 4%, the really surprisingly strong 4% that you did. So I’m trying to reconcile the relocation is complete, which I would guess gives you some extra cost saves, going forward. But the cadence seems to suggest that margins are coming down.

I know, traditionally, there is some seasonality to business. But it seems like the revenue is going to be a bit more consistent than what we’ve seen historically. So that’s just long question if that make sense..

Dave Antoniuk

No, Seth, I mean, overall, when we look at it, we’re anticipating -- we had 3.5% adjusted EBITDA margins in the first half of the year. In the second half of the year, based upon our guidance using the midpoint, we anticipate being somewhere around 4.9% margins.

So overall, we anticipate our margins growing on a sequential basis first half to second half. I will say that the headwinds in that, as I mentioned, we have some inventory items that we believe are going to be sold at lower than historical margin levels.

And in addition to that, we do have the plant shutdowns that are impacting our European facilities when Germany and France where do have a prolonged shutdown due to the holiday schedule over there, so those two mute a little bit of the gains that we would had in the first quarter.

But generally speaking, we’re pleased with where we think our second half is coming out given the market dynamics and circumstances..

Seth Weber

No, I understand. But I was really talking second quarter margin versus second half. So I understand first quarter was light. So is there are any – is there a number that we can think about as far as the incremental save from the relocation….

Dave Antoniuk

I think our savings are really out there. And we indicated there’d be $25 million to $30 million.

I will say that, generally speaking, those savings are being muted by the fact that the production hours that we have in our Shady Grove facility are way down versus historical levels, or even levels we had in 2016, mainly as a result of the reduced volumes that we have in large crawler cranes, which absorb a lot of hour.

So I think what you're seeing is the impact of lower production levels in the aggregate between the combined plants versus just one plant, and that's taking a lot of the gains that we had built into the consolidation away.

And it's frankly what's happening is that it's allowing us to maintain the margins we're maintaining with these cost reductions in spite of the fact that we have lower production volumes in Shady Grove..

Seth Weber

And then just as a follow-up. You called out within the backlog that lattice boom crawlers aren't lower. Can you give us any color on what you're seeing in the tower crane market? I think in previous calls you've talked about it being strong; one of your peers talked about strength in that market.

And I believe that's a relatively higher margin product for your guys. It sounds like there's some puts and takes with maybe some of the newer products, maybe not as robust. But can you talk about the tower crane market specifically and any other components of the backlog? Thanks..

Dave Antoniuk

The tower crane market continues to grow, in particular, in Europe some pockets of strength in the U.S. as we complete some very large projects in the balance of this year in the U.S.

But I will say that when I look at our incoming order rate for towers and as we continue to be number one in the world as far as market share is concerned, we are -- remain very strong in Europe. The Middle Easter, of course, we're seeing what everyone else is seeing.

I mean there's not a lot of investment activity happening there and some of the larger tower projects that we thought were going to come through in the second half of the year have been delayed into next year, Australia, as I mentioned in the first quarter call, continues to be very good. And as I said, we've seen some pockets of strength in the U.S.

that will only continue as we continue to introduce to our customers here in the U.S. the advantages of some of the new products that we came out, particularly with self-erecting tower cranes going after and taking share from rupturing forklifts in these large track building operations that are happening in the U. S..

Operator

And we'll next go to Jamie Cook, Credit Suisse..

Jamie Cook

Just a couple of questions; one, can you just -- I don't think you’ve really answered Mig's longer term questions, like let's assume the markets are up 10% or so in 2018 and this is more than just new product introductions.

If the markets are up, how are you thinking about the incremental margins the first year coming out of the cycle? And then second, I think last quarter you talked about trading conversations that were happening.

I'm wondering, which was a positive sign, I'm wondering if that continued? And then last, how to think about free cash flow for the year? Thanks..

Barry Pennypacker

I'll let David take the free cash flow. If you could repeat the middle part of your question, I didn’t quite get that..

Jamie Cook

Last quarter you said you were starting your discussion about trading that been existed here before and perhaps that was a precursor for new equipment [indiscernible] last quarter?.

Barry Pennypacker

The second part of your question, with regard to trade-ins. Yes, we are seeing that and that continues. And we’re actively bringing in cranes that has not been a norm for the Company. But if we want to be a global player and want to continue to gain share, we must be in that game and we must learn how to do it effectively.

You heard David mention that some of our margin compression in the second half has to do with this particular dynamic.

We need to be competitive in bringing cranes in that are used but we also need to figure out ways to move them effectively into the markets that will in fact help us redeem inventory and make us more competitive and the ability to do more of those deals as we continue to see the market recover.

As far as the standard margin and what our contribution margin is, going forward, I think a good modelling point at this point is the standard 25% fall-through in the incremental dollars..

Dave Antoniuk

And Jamie, just to add what Barry said….

Jamie Cook

It is better than that coming out of the cycle.

I mean I would think that’s where you normalize to versus first year out?.

Barry Pennypacker

As you probably are aware, we are very a conservative management team..

Dave Antoniuk

So, Jamie as you know, we committed to a minimum of 150 basis points improvement, and we see no reason that we’re going to go away from that philosophy in order to achieve 10 by 20 where we are today versus where we’re going to go there. So we see our results on the bottom line improving by a minimum of that basis, going forward.

And your last question with regard to free cash flow, we’ve stated in beginning our goal and it's still our goal to have free cash flow equal to capital spending so that net-net we end up with zero impact on a year basis, and that is still our goal for the year..

Operator

And we’ll go to Jerry Revich, Goldman Sachs..

Ben Burud

This is Ben Burud off of Jerry. To start I was just wondering if you guys could give some more color on how you’re seeing coating activity trend.

And can you go over that by region, if you will?.

Barry Pennypacker

Coating activity continues to be strong. And I would say, particularly in the U.S., our dealers are out there looking for every opportunity to identity a green shoot.

We’re seeing, as I mentioned in the first quarter, we still see a great activity in California, particularly due to the infrastructure spending build that they passed at the local level there. And I think it continues on. In Europe, particularly with our all-terrain cranes and the new products that we’ve introduced, coating activity is very good.

The Middle East, there is not much change year-over-year. There is some but it’s very much at a needed level. And I would say that when you go around Asia-Pac with the exception of Australia, it still remains at a very low level..

Ben Burud

And I know earlier in the call you mentioned that about 50% of your orders in the quarter were from your newer products from the past few years.

Can you get a little more granular on that? And can you help us think about how that's going to evolve over the near term?.

Barry Pennypacker

Well, as you know, we introduced a very large number of cranes at the Conexpo Show that I think are starting to be accepted by the market, and the advantages those are in fact being realized by the customers who take that.

Next year where there is not a large trade show, in early June, we will have what we claimed as crane days; here at Shady Grove, where we'll have a new introduction of at least four cranes that will continue the product portfolio evolution that I think will gain extremely good market presence as our current introductions.

And keep in mind that one of the differentiating factors about our new products is that they're going from our facility to our customers and going to work.

They're not going out there and have the same type of reliability issues that we've had in the past, because we are focusing on those and we are building quality into our product development process. And the acceptance in our new products has been absolutely phenomenal, and we plan to continue that as we continue to evolve the Company..

Operator

We'll go next to Charley Brady, SunTrust Robinson Humphrey..

Charley Brady

Just want to go back, Barry, on your question about the trends that you're seeing coming out of Q2 and to Q3 through July, so you're seeing continued order uptick. I'm just trying to square that up, historically, Q3 is down sequentially in sales and orders from Q2 just seasonality thing.

Given where we are in the crane market and dynamics going on and what you're seeing. Would you expect that dynamic to be different this year, or is just a function of what's coming off of pretty low base than last year.

So does that and actually going to be some growth there?.

Barry Pennypacker

Well, I think it was actually some linkage from the second quarter into the third quarter, quite frankly. Just due to timing and coating activity. I mean there's a normal seasonality, as you had mentioned. But I think the third quarter will be where the third quarter usually is and down a bit.

But I fully expect that coming out of September our run rate should be where we needed to be to continue to meet the expectations of our other internal guidance.

David, do you have any more color to add to that?.

Dave Antoniuk

Charley, as we've talked about, we're building inventory if demand goes there. So we're in a good position to beat our Q3 of last year on the top line based on where our overall revenue outlook is.

So we feel in spite of the shutdowns in Europe, which have pretty much led to a reduction in Q3 sales, we're going to be better than what we have in the past by flattening out our sales throughout the year..

Charley Brady

Do you guys have much guidance into Q4, because that’s obviously the big quarter for shipping for orders? And if you just look at the seasonal pattern of first half and baked-in expectation of Q3, it implies typically a pretty strong lift in the fourth quarter, particularly to meet the guidance, it’s probably 14% or 15% growth number in Q4.

Do you have that kind of visibility now?.

Dave Antoniuk

Yes, I think we do..

Barry Pennypacker

And I will say that I fully expect that our Q3 orders of this year will be much stronger than our Q3 orders of last year. I said that we’ve got the right numbers in. We know what we’re currently booking. And I fully expect that we have the backlog and the pipeline to deliver the results that we’ve guided to.

And you have to recognize the fact that, as I mentioned earlier and I’ll continue to mentioned that we are very conservative management team..

Charley Brady

Just one more on the military, or the army orders; I think the $11 million that came in this quarter. What’s the cadence of orders? And I guess most of that comes in through probably 2018. But is it going to be big chunky orders, or you get a majority of the remaining 180 left on the initial order.

How that flow?.

Dave Antoniuk

Charley, what they do is so the contract is in total, we’ve said $192 million and what they do is they fall off from that. So the initial follow up was $11 million of which about $2 million is going to be in 2017, which leaves about $9 million for next year. Our anticipated volume in 2018 for the full military order would be about $20 million..

Operator

Ann Duignan, J. P. Morgan.

Ann Duignan

Cab we talk about your outlook for end markets as we think about 2018. If we look at North America non-residential construction, we’re about last cycle’s peak; if we look at Europe, we’re above last cycle’s peak; Australia, you mentioned has strong for a while.

And is there any application or any region where you can conceive of 2018 being better from a fundamental standpoint than 2017?.

Dave Antoniuk

Not in particular. We have not modeled that. Again, as we said, we’re taking a very conservative look. I think that we expect the U.S. to be flattish next year. I think we will still continue to see nice growth in Europe.

And hopefully, with some of the things that are being talked about, as I mentioned earlier, particularly with towers in the Middle East, I expect the Middle East to grow next year for sure..

Ann Duignan

So let me switch gears a little bit, and focus on the balance sheet. Your day payables are 106 days this quarter versus 97 days a year ago. I mean that’s quite a long duration paid suppliers.

Can you talk about your policy there on supplier payments? And is that how you anticipate getting to free cash flow neutral?.

Dave Antoniuk

No. Ann, I’d say that generally speaking all our -- we’ve taken approach that all our suppliers will be paid within terms. I think, in general, when you look at some of the items and there are 106 days and it includes more than just what I’ll say is some of the vendor payments in there.

But I will say that our policy, moving forward, is not to hold payments to make cash flow, which to pay everybody within the terms of that. And really to ensure that we're looking at our receivable side and our inventory side, and making sure we're getting the best benefit over in those areas as well.

And that means hoping flat lining our sales so that we don't have spikes at the quarter end as well. But to answer your question, the answer is no, we're not looking at holding payables to meet our cash flow..

Ann Duignan

Okay, that’s good to hear….

Barry Pennypacker

When you look at our volume and you look at our payables, year-over-year, I mean they really hasn’t been that much of a dramatic change. I mean where it's been dramatic change in our working capital has been inventory..

Dave Antoniuk

And quite honestly our DPO is probably 61 days when you look at it, in general, if you just spiked it out, that's where we're looking at..

Ann Duignan

And then just one quick follow-up on steel.

What's the duration of the contracts that you now have in place? As we look into '18, is it inevitable that you will incur higher steel costs in '18 versus '17 if steel prices stay where they're at?.

Barry Pennypacker

No, I don't think it's necessary for us to think that we're going to pay more for steel in '18. I think we need to continue to utilize the value engineering activities that we have underway in all of our plants to make sure that we offset any steel price increases.

And I'm very pleased that without a centralized expensive sourcing organization that our guys are able to get the types of results that we need..

Ann Duignan

So nowhere from corporate we're here to help….

Barry Pennypacker

No, not all. That is the one thing that this organization, as long as I'm leaning, it we'll never have..

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And we'll go to Mike Shlisky, Seaport Global..

Mike Shlisky

First off in your boom truck business, you had mentioned slide that had gone some sort of reorg. I always thought that one of your better more well run operations and certainly and actually you have some good backlog growth in that particular business.

So if you can -- just a bit more color as to why and how you did that little reorg there and what's the outlook for the back half of the year for your boom trucks?.

Barry Pennypacker

The boom trucks, we have a very positive outlook going. But it was like the red headed step child here at the Shady Grove facility. It was a business that got some attention. But from an organizational standpoint, truly understanding what the strategic importance is for growth in the boom truck business, was something that I felt got lost.

So the guys got together and decided that if we really want to do a great job and be a world class supplier of boom trucks, we have to understand the overall market, we have to understand how we approach it we have to understand how we can reduce our lead times in order to increase our market share.

And we decided the best way to do that was to co-locate all functions that affect that value stream in a building, which I can actually see outside of this conference room where they together eat every single day only do one thing, and that is to eat and sleep and dream about boom trucks.

And that’s why we’re able to get the type of improvements that I talked about from particularly the coating process. We’ve reduced the coat lead time by 25% that is huge from an overall lead time perspective.

And now as we continue to look at and give this team the empowerment to run their own manufacturing operations, I’m absolutely convinced that we’ll get a minimum of another 25% lead time reduction from the reorganization of the manufacturing operations.

So organizing around value streams, empowering people to do their own thing and make sure that they’re only focused on one thing and that is to satisfy the customer the best way they can, it's our first attempt to that and I am absolutely 100% tickled by the results that we’re getting in that first value stream organization..

Operator

And there are no additional questions. At this time, I would now turn the call back over to Ion Warner for closing remarks..

Ion Warner Vice President of Marketing & Investor Relations

Thank you, Malinda. Before we conclude today's call, please note that a replay of our second quarter conference call will be available later this morning by accessing the Investor Relations section of our Web site at manitowoc.com. Thank you, everyone, for joining us today and for your continuing interest in The Manitowoc Company.

We look forward to speaking with you again during our third quarter 2017 conference call. Have a good day everyone..

Operator

And that does conclude today’s conference call. We thank you all for joining us..

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