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EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT
EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT 2015 - Q3
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Executives

Larry Mendelson – Chairman and CEO Eric Mendelson - Co-President; President, Flight Support Group Victor Mendelson - Co-President; President, Electronic Technologies Group Carlos Macau – EVP and CFO.

Analysts

Lee Jagoda - CJS Securities J.B. Groh - DA Davidson Robert Spingarn - Credit Suisse Chris Quilty - Raymond James Michael Ciarmoli - KeyBanc Capital Markets James Foung - Gabelli & Company Steve Levenson - Stifel.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by and welcome to HEICO Corporation's Fiscal 2015 Third Quarter Earnings Results Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks there will be question-and-answer session.

[Operator Instructions] Certain statements made in this call will constitute forward-looking statements which are subject to risks uncertainties and contingencies.

HEICO's actual results may differ materially from those expressed in or implied by those forward-looking statements as a result of factors including but not limited to or demand for commercial air travel or airline fleet changes or airline purchasing decisions, which could cause lower demand for our goods and services, product development or product specification costs and requirements, which could cause an increase to our cost to complete contracts.

Governmental and regulatory demands export policies and restrictions, reductions in defense base or Homeland Security spending by U.S. and/or foreign customers or competition from existing and new competitors, which could reduce our sales. Our ability to introduce new products and product pricing levels, which could reduce our sales, our sales growth.

Product development difficulties which could increase our product development cost and delay sales.

Our ability to make acquisitions and achieve operating synergies from acquired businesses, customer credit risk, interest, foreign currency exchange and income tax rates and economic conditions within and outside of the aviation defense, base, medical, telecommunications and electronics industries, which could negatively impact our cost and revenues and defense budget cuts which could reduce our defense related revenue.

Those listening to this call are encouraged to review all of HEICO's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission including but not limited to filings on Form 10-K, Form 10-Q and Form 8-K.

We undertake no obligation to publicly update or revise any forward-looking statements whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise except to the extent required by applicable law. Thank you. I'd now like to turn the call over to Laurans Mendelson, HEICO's Chairman and CEO..

Larry Mendelson

Thank you, and good morning to everyone on the call. We thank you for joining us and we welcome you to this HEICO third quarter fiscal 2015 earnings announcement teleconference. I'm Larry Mendelson, Chairman and CEO of HEICO Corporation.

I'm joined here this morning by Eric Mendelson, HEICO's Co-President and President of HEICO's Flight Support Group; Victor Mendelson, HEICO's Co-President and President of HEICO's Electronic Technologies Group; Tom Irwin, HEICO's Senior Executive Vice President; and Carlos Macau, our Executive VP and CFO.

Now before reviewing our third quarter operating results in detail, I'd like to take a few moments to summarize the highlights of another record setting quarter.

I want to thank our HEICO team members for their collective efforts outstanding execution during the third quarter and by remaining focused on income generation, cash flow and profit margin strength. As I have said before, our mission is not just to grow sales to make a larger company, but to generate income and strong cash flow for all shareholders.

The record third quarter results, I will now discuss are testament to that strategy.

Our consolidated net sales, operating income and net income in the third quarter of fiscal 2015 represent record quarterly results and they were driven principally by record quarterly net sales and operating income in flight support and increased profitability in ETG.

Consolidated net sales, operating income and net income in the first nine months of fiscal 2015 represent all time record results for HEICO and they were driven principally by record net sales and operating income within both segments.

Consolidated operating income increased 17% to a record $58.5 million in the third quarter of fiscal 2015 and that was up from $50.1 million in the third quarter of fiscal 2014 and increased 7% to a record $160.7 million in the first nine months of fiscal 2015 and that was up from $149.7 million in the first nine months of fiscal 2014.

Consolidated net income increased 3% to a record $34.4 million in the third quarter of fiscal 2015 and that was up from $33.4 million in the third quarter of fiscal 2014. It also increased 7% to a record $95.1 million in the first nine months of fiscal 2015 and that was up from $89.2 million in the first nine months of fiscal 2014.

Consolidated net income per diluted share increased 4% to $0.51 in the third quarter of fiscal 2015 up from $0.49 in the third quarter of fiscal 2014.

Consolidated net income per share -- diluted share in the third quarter of fiscal 2014 included a net $0.05 per diluted share benefit from a reduction in accrued contingent consideration related to a prior year acquisition.

Consolidated net income per diluted share increased 6% to $1.40 in the first nine months of fiscal 2015 and that was up from $1.32 in the first nine months of fiscal 2014.

Consolidated net income per diluted share in the first nine months of fiscal 2014 included a net $0.10 per diluted share benefit from a reduction in accrued contingent consideration related to a prior year acquisition.

Just a comment later on in the Q&A, I'm sure Carlos and Tom will be happy to discuss that the impact of those reductions in accrued contingent consideration. Cash flow from operating activities remained strong in the third quarter of fiscal 2015 totaled $56.5 million or 164% of our consolidated net income. Very strong I may add.

Cash flow provided by operating activities in the first nine months of fiscal 2015 totaled $121.3 million or 128% of consolidated net income. In July 2015, we paid our 74th consecutive semiannual cash dividend since 1979 and that was paid at a rate of $0.07 per share.

As of July 31, 2015, we remain extremely well-positioned for growth as a result of our financial flexibility. The company's net debt to shareholders equity ratio was only 31% with net debt of $267.8 million. In June 2015, we reported that our Dukane Seacom subsidiary had created the first FAA and ESA certified 90-day underwater beacon.

We are pleased to note that they have now established the new operational standard in underwater locator beacon technology. With over 40 years of industry experience Dukane Seacom has the largest installed base of underwater locator beacons on commercial military and biz jets around the world.

In July 2015, we reported that our 3D PLUS and VPT subsidiary's supplied mission-critical components for NASA's new horizons spacecraft, which has traveled farther and faster than any prior space mission in history.

We're consistently amazed by the engineering talent and forward thinking of our team members who supported NASA in this historic flight past Pluto and beyond.

3D PLUS, VPT and certain other HEICO subsidiaries have routinely supplied critical components on NASA and the European Space Agency programs and many of HEICO subsidiaries are well-known leaders in complex high reliability mission critical engineering and manufacturing for spacecraft.

We want to congratulate our teams at 3D PLUS, VPT and Dukane Seacom on these wonderful tremendous accomplishments. As I reported in our last conference call, the acquisition pipeline has been very active and as you know we are pleased to report that we closed 4 transactions since the second quarter.

In May 2015, our Flight Support Group completed the acquisition of Thermal Energy Products, which engineers designs and manufactures removable and/or reusable insulation systems for industrial commercial aerospace and defense applications and this is now part of HEICO's specialty products group.

In August 2015, our Flight Support Group acquired 80.1% of the equity of Aerospace & Commercial Technologies, we call it ACT, a leading provider of products and services necessary to maintain up-to-date F-16 aircraft operational capabilities.

Aerospace & Commercial Technologies, ACT will work in coordination with our Blue Aerospace subsidiary to support the F-16 community worldwide. The acquisition expands our reach into defense aftermarket support and broadens our existing base of business in this very important sector.

In August 2015, our Flight Support Group also acquired all of the outstanding stock of Astroseal Products Manufacturing Corp. a manufacturer of expanded foil mesh which is integrated into composite aerospace structures for lightning strike protection in both fixed and rotary wing aircraft.

This acquisition expands HEICO's capabilities and offerings of aerospace and composite parts.

And also in August 2015, our ETG group acquired 80.1% of the equity in Midwest Microwave Solutions, we refer to it as MMS, a designer and manufacturer of unique size, weight, power and cost optimized communications and electronic intercept receivers and tuners for military and intelligence applications.

This acquisition is a perfect fit for HEICO and expands our intelligence gathering equipment business. In June 2015, we were pleased to report that Forbes magazine had again named HEICO as one of the world's 100 most innovative growth companies. This makes 10 awards in 10 years.

The recognition is a true testament to the expertise and innovative spirit of our more than 4500 team members worldwide. And I express my deepest appreciation and admiration for their remarkable efforts and dedication to HEICO's success.

I would now like to introduce Eric Mendelson, Co-President of HEICO and President of HEICO's Flight Support Group to discuss the results of Flight Support Group.

Eric?.

Eric Mendelson Co-President & Director

The Flight Support Group's net sales increased 8% to a record $206.6 million in the third quarter of fiscal 2015 up from $191.6 million in the third quarter of fiscal 2014 and increased 4% to a record $591.4 million in the first nine months of fiscal 2015 up from $568 million in the first nine months of fiscal 2014.

The increase in the third quarter and first nine months of fiscal 2015 mainly reflects net sales contributed by the fiscal 2015 acquisitions as well as additional net sales from new product offerings in our aftermarket replacement parts and repair and overall services product lines.

These increases were partially offset by lower net sales of certain industrial products that we have discussed in prior conference calls.

As a result of the lower net sales of certain industrial products, the Flight Support Group experienced a small 1% and 2% organic revenue decline in the third quarter and first nine months of fiscal 2015 respectively.

Excluding the impact of declines in certain industrial net sales, the Flight Support Group experienced organic growth of 4% and 3% in the third quarter and first nine months of fiscal 2015 respectively.

Consistent with most of our peers, we experienced somewhat lower aftermarket industry growth in our third quarter and first nine months of 2015 as compared to expectations for higher industry growth going into this year.

Based on current available seat miles or ASMs, we believe that in our third quarter airlines avoided spending on maintenance costs where possible and ultimately will have to increase such spending if they continue to fly the aircraft that they are currently operate.

The Flight Support Group's operating income increased 15% to a record $39.3 million in the third quarter of fiscal 2015 up from $34.2 million in the third quarter of fiscal 2014 and increased 4% to a record $107.5 million in the first nine months of fiscal 2015 up from $103.3 million in the first nine months of fiscal 2014.

The increase in third quarter and first nine months of fiscal 2015 is principally attributed to the previously mentioned net sales growth.

The increase in the third quarter of fiscal 2015 also reflects the impact of foreign currency gains related to euro denominated contingent earn out liability and lower accrued performance based compensation expense partially offset by a less favorable product mix from the previously mentioned decrease in net sales of certain industrial products.

The Flight Support Group's operating margin improved to 19.0% in the third quarter of fiscal 2015 up from 17.9% in the third quarter of fiscal 2014 and approximated 18.2% in both the first nine months of fiscal 2015 and 2014.

The increase in operating income as a percentage of net sales in the third quarter of fiscal 2015 principally reflects the previously mentioned foreign currency gains in lower accrued performance based compensation expense partially offset by the less favorable product mix.

Now I would like to introduced Victor Mendelson, Co-President of HEICO and President of HEICO's Electronic Technologies Group to discuss the results of the Electronic Technologies Group..

Victor Mendelson Co-President & Director

Eric, thank you. The Electronic Technologies Group's net sales decreased 5% to $97.2 million in the third quarter of fiscal 2015 from $102.1 million in the third quarter of fiscal 2014.

The decrease principally reflects foreign currency exchange rate changes as well as slightly lower demand for certain space and medical products partially offset by higher demand for certain defense and other electronic products.

The Electronic Technologies Group's net sales decreased 1% to $277.4 million in the first nine months of fiscal 2015 from $279.3 million in the first nine months of fiscal 2014.

The decrease is mostly from lower net sales of certain space and other electronics products resulting mainly from foreign currency exchange rate changes partially offset by higher demand for certain defense and aerospace products.

As for our principal markets, overall our defense businesses have strengthened and as we discussed on last quarter's call there is bipartisan support in Washington for increased defense spending in the next fiscal year so we are cautiously optimistic the U.S. defense budgets overall will grow.

Our commercial space business has been a little bit softer about half of which came from currency translation changes and half of which resulted from some parts of our businesses coming off excellent performance last year as well as earlier this year.

Overall, we are very pleased with our space businesses but we will wait to see if the industry is a little softer than it was notably [indiscernible] did well in the quarter and has continued to improve.

The other ETG markets that we serve are seeing a slightly positive overall mixed condition, but there are pockets of weakness in the some of the electronics markets that we serve.

The Electronic Technologies Group's operating income increased 14% to $24.4 million in the third quarter of fiscal 2015 up from $21.5 million in the third quarter of fiscal 2014. The increase principally reflects a more favorable product mix for certain space and defense products.

The ETG Group's margins and operating income increased 6% to a record $66 million in the first nine months of fiscal 2015 up from $62.5 million in the first nine months of fiscal 2014. The increase mainly reflects a more favorable product mix for certain space and defense products and lower amortization expense associated with intangible assets.

The ETG Group's operating margin improved to 25.1% in the third quarter of fiscal 2015 up from 21% in the third quarter of fiscal 2014. The increase mainly reflects a more favorable product mix for certain space and defense products.

The Electronic Technologies Group's operating margin improved to 23.8% in the first nine months of fiscal 2015 up from 22.4% in the first nine months of fiscal 2014. The increase mainly reflects a more favorable product mix for certain space and defense products and lower amortization expense associated with intangible assets.

At this point, I turn the call back over to Larry Mendelson..

Larry Mendelson

Thank you, Victor and Eric. Commenting now on diluted earnings per share consolidated net income per diluted share increased 4% to $0.51 in the third quarter fiscal 2015. That was up from $0.49 in the third quarter of 2014.

Third quarter fiscal 2014 again included a net benefit of $0.05 per diluted share that was mainly due to the reduction of accrued contingent earn out liabilities associated with a prior year acquisition.

Consolidated net income per diluted share increased 6% to $1.40 in the first nine months of fiscal 2015 and that was up from $1.32 in the first nine months of fiscal 2014.

The first nine months of fiscal 2014 again included a net $0.10 per diluted share benefit mainly due to the reduction of accrued contingent earn out liabilities associated with that prior year acquisition. Depreciation and amortization expense was $11.9 million in the third quarter of 2015 comparable to the third quarter of 2014.

Depreciation and amortization expense decreased to $35.1 million in the first nine months of fiscal 2015 and that was down from $36.3 million in the first nine months of fiscal 2014.

That decrease mainly reflects lower amortization expense of certain intangible assets resulting from impairment losses recorded in fiscal 2014 partially offset by a higher amortization expense of intangible assets recognized in connection with some of our fiscal 2015 acquisitions.

Research and development expense totaled $9.4 million in the third quarter of fiscal 2015 that compared to $9.9 million in the third quarter of 2014. R&D expense totaled $28.9 million in the first nine months of fiscal 2015 compared to $28.3 million in the first nine months of fiscal 2014.

Significant ongoing new product development efforts are ongoing at both Flight Support and ETG as we continue to invest approximately 3% to 4% of each sales dollar into new product development.

Our effective strategy for the last 24 years has been to reinvest a portion of our earnings into the development of new products and services that can offer lower cost and higher value to our customers and that in turn facilitates market share growth sufficient to meet our growth goals.

SG&A expense decreased to $49.6 million in the third quarter of fiscal 2015 that was down from 53.2% in the third quarter of fiscal 2014. SG&A expense as a percentage of net sales increased to 16.5% in the third quarter of fiscal 2015 and that was down from 18.3% in the third quarter of fiscal 2014.

The decrease in SG&A expense as a percentage of net sales in the third quarter of fiscal 2015 mainly reflects the impact of foreign currency gains and that was related to liabilities denominated in euros as well as lower accrued performance based compensation expense.

SG&A expenses totaled $146.7 million in the first nine months of fiscal 2015 and that was comparable to the $145.7 million in the first nine months of fiscal 2014. SG&A expense as a percentage of net sales decreased to 17.1% in the first nine months of fiscal 2015 and that was down from 17.3% in the first nine months of fiscal 2014.

Interest expense decreased to $1.1 million in the third quarter of fiscal 2015 and that was down from $1.4 million in the third quarter of fiscal 2014. Interest expenses decreased to $3.3 million in the first nine months of fiscal 2015 again down from $4.2 million in the first nine months of fiscal 2014.

The decrease in interest expense during the third quarter and first nine months of fiscal 2015 principally reflects a higher weighted average balance outstanding under our revolving credit facilities in the prior periods and that was associated with fiscal 2013 acquisitions and the acquisition of certain non-controlling interest in fiscal 2014.

Other income and expense was not significant I won't comment on it. Income tax, the effective tax rate in the third quarter of fiscal 2015 increased to 32% from 23.4% in the third quarter of fiscal 2014.

A lower tax rate experienced in the third quarter of 2014 was mainly attributed to a reduction of contingent earn out liabilities associated with a prior year non-taxable stock acquisition.

The reduction in contingent earn out liabilities during the third quarter of fiscal 2014 was non-taxable and accounted for approximately 7% of the change in the effective tax between the two periods. The effective tax rate in the first nine months of fiscal 2015 was 30.6% comparable to 29.7% effective rate in the first nine months of fiscal 2014.

Net income attributable to non-controlling interest increased to $4.6 million in the third quarter of fiscal 2015 that was up from $4 million in the third quarter of fiscal 2014. The increase mainly reflects the impact of net income allocations to the fiscal 2015 acquisitions in which non-controlling interests are held.

Net income attributable to non-controlling interest increased to $14.4 million in the first nine months of fiscal 2015 that was up from $13.5 million in the first nine months of fiscal 2014.

The increase in the first nine months of fiscal 2015 again mainly reflects higher allocations of net income to certain subsidiaries of FSG and ETG in which non-controlling interests are held.

On a combined basis, we estimate fiscal 2015 effective tax rate and non-controlling interest allocations will approximate 40% of consolidated pretax income in the full fiscal year. Now moving onto the balance sheet and cash flow as you can see our financial position and forecasted cash flow remain extremely strong.

Cash flow was strong in the third quarter of fiscal 2015 and cash flow provided by operating activities totaled $56.5 million and that was 164% of reported net income. Working capital ratio is a strong 3.2 as of July 31 and that was up from 2.8 as of October 31, 2014.

DSOs or receivables was 46 days in the third quarter of fiscal 2015 and that was comparable to the 47 days in the third quarter of fiscal 2014. Of course, we continue to closely monitor all receivable collection efforts to limit our credit exposure.

No one customer accounted for more than 10% of net sales and our top five customers represented approximately 18% and 17% in the third quarter of fiscal 2015 and fiscal 2014 respectively. Inventory turnover rate in the first nine months of fiscal 2015 was 117 days compared to 111 days in the first nine months of 2014.

The increase in our inventory turnover rate principally attributed to slightly higher inventory balances at our subsidiaries which we need to meet customer orders in the near-term.

Net debt to shareholders equity ratio was 31.3% as of July 31, 2015 and net debt of $267.8 million principally incurred upon acquisitions and the payment of a special cash dividends in fiscal 2014 and fiscal 2013.

We have no significant debt maturities until fiscal 2019 and we plan to use our financial flexibility to aggressively pursue high-quality acquisition opportunities which should accelerate growth and maximize shareholder returns.

As for the outlook, we look ahead to the remainder of fiscal 2015 and we anticipate organic growth within our product lines that serve commercial aviation markets moderated by lower demand for certain industrial related products within our specialty products lines.

Despite the currency headwinds impacting our foreign subsidiaries within the ETG Group, we continue to forecast full-year organic growth within ETG.

During the remainder of fiscal 2015, we plan to continue to focus on new product development further sales penetration into markets we serve executing our acquisition strategies and continuing to maintain financial strength.

Based upon current economic visibility, we estimate consolidated fiscal 2015 year-over-year growth in net sales to approximate 5% versus our prior estimate of 8% to 10% and net income growth to approximate 8% which is within our prior estimate of 8% to 10%.

We have raised our full-year fiscal consolidated operating margin estimate to approximate 18.5% versus our prior estimate of 18%. We also anticipate depreciation, amortization CapEx and cash flow from operations to approximate $48 million, $20 million and $200 million respectively.

While we have lowered our full-year revenue estimates in light of headwinds which we are experiencing as a result of slower industry growth in aerospace aftermarket and Eric talked about that earlier as well as the impact of foreign currency exchange rates, which Victor spoke about we are pleased to maintain our net income growth estimates at approximately 8% for the full fiscal year and we have benefited from our focus on profit margin strength.

Our fiscal 2015 acquisition should position us for continued growth in fiscal 2016 and beyond. We expect those acquisitions to be accretive at least in the first year of the acquisition.

In closing, we will continue to focus on creating shareholder value through remaining focused on customer strong cash flow generating growth in net income and strong profit margins. And those are the extent of our prepared comments and we would like to open the floor for questions..

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. Your first question comes from the line of Larry Solow of CJS Securities..

Lee Jagoda

Hi. This is actually Lee Jagoda for Larry. Good morning..

Larry Mendelson

Good morning..

Lee Jagoda

I know on the acquisition side talking about individual acquisitions purchase price and revenue contribution is sometimes difficult, but given you've made three in the last few weeks is there any way you can combine them and sort of give us a ballpark range for both purchase price and revenue as the combined group of them?.

Larry Mendelson

Actually, we didn't release that information and we don't release it and at this point we really cannot give you that information. It has not been released to the public but Carlos can comment a little more on it..

Carlos Macau Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer & Treasurer

Yes.

Baked into our guidance that Larry just articulated [indiscernible] about those acquisitions that we’re closing that were factored into it that they are not material otherwise we would have disclosed that information but they are acquisitions that are very complementary to our existing product lines and expand our business and we think they are going to be very good for us as Larry mentioned going forward..

Lee Jagoda

Okay. And then --.

Larry Mendelson

I mean part of the answer which you guys will figure out is when you see the cash flow statement and so forth you are going to get kind of a guesstimate from the cash flow statement that we produce I guess in the fourth quarter. So it will give you kind of figure but as Carlos says overall it was not that material..

Lee Jagoda

And assuming at the end of the year that the 5% top line growth is achieved what are the components of that 5% meaning what is organic, what would acquisitions contribute and then what's the negative from FX embedded in the 5%..

Carlos Macau Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer & Treasurer

So right now year-to-date, we have acquired growth on a consolidated basis of about $32 million and so we expect similar run rate going through the end of the year.

From the acquired acquisitions that we have already purchased in the first quarter maybe about $10 million a quarter and then as we just previously mentioned we are not going to talk specifically about the financial operations for contributions of the acquired acquisitions because they are insignificant to the overall consolidated operations..

Lee Jagoda

And what do you think the FX impact has been over the first three quarters and how should we think about that for Q4?.

Carlos Macau Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer & Treasurer

It's interesting. It's principally impacted the Electronic Technologies Group through some of our foreign subsidiaries that do business in euros and Canadian dollars.

And so in the Electronic Technologies Group in particular they had about a 5% revenue headwind comparatively between Q3 last year and this year about half of that was related to FX impacts on our revenue line.

And I don't have a crystal ball as to what currencies are going to do right now, but we sort of have been conservative in the way we thought about it going forward..

Lee Jagoda

Okay. And then one more question and I will hop back in the queue.

In terms of the better margin forecast despite the lower sales what are the key drivers of the 50 basis point increase?.

Carlos Macau Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer & Treasurer

The key drivers overall were I think as both Eric and Victor mentioned in the presentation we had a lower accrued performance based compensation. We have a euro denominated loan which we took out in Q1 to do the acquisition of Aeroworks which had some positive FX benefits which also contributed to it.

And then finally some of the efficiencies that our subsidiary general managers have baked into their businesses through operating leaner over the past nine months has contributed principally to it..

Lee Jagoda

Great. Thanks very much..

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of J.B. Groh of DA Davidson..

J.B. Groh

Hey, guys, morning. Thanks for taking my call..

Larry Mendelson

Good morning, JB..

J.B. Groh

Eric one of the other aftermarket levered players the other day talked a lot about retirements and how that's impacted growth in aftermarket. Maybe you could give us your thoughts on that and how that is impacting your business obviously you guys have multiple ways to grow.

But it seems like the organic growth has been a little slow, but do you think that's having an impact in terms of the total aftermarket demand?.

Eric Mendelson Co-President & Director

Well, I think -- it's a very good question and we’ve been in a number of investor conferences over the last month or so and received a lot of these kinds of questions.

I think in looking at it as we entered the year, the investors and I would say the analyst community were a little more bullish on the aftermarket performance than what turned out for most of the suppliers.

If you look at most of the suppliers they have been reporting sort of comparable a little bit disappointing numbers with the exception of GE and Safran, which I think had some initial provisioning related to some new aircraft engine types in their numbers.

But the way we look at it is, it's a fairly complex equation in that you've got the base fleet aging obviously one year per year and then the older aircraft dropping out at the backend and of course the new aircraft coming in at the front end.

The airlines have been flying the older aircraft beyond what everybody originally anticipated and I think that's one of the reasons why the ASMs are up and if the airlines continue to fly these older aircraft they are going to have to put some dollars into it.

We have based into when we build our budgets we analyzed the fleet plans of our customers and we have that all put in there -- if you will the complex equation.

So yes I think the retirements are impacting it and what's going to be really a telling quarter will be in the fourth quarter when we find out whether the airlines are in fact going to go ahead and fly some of these older assets longer or whether they are going to pull them out as originally planned that's a little bit unclear as of now..

J.B. Groh

But in any case probably that wouldn't slow your pace of PMA development which is I'm guessing relative to --.

Eric Mendelson Co-President & Director

Correct. Our pace of PMA development is not slowing whatsoever and as a matter of fact the airlines are very focused on how we can help them with their current fleet as well as with the fleet they will be taking deliveries of.

There is no change to our business model whatsoever as a matter of fact I've been getting a lot of questions recently I don't want to go into specifically which aircraft type or which engines but I've been getting a lot of questions from senior airline executives about what we're going to be doing on the newer platforms because they very much want us to be there..

J.B. Groh

And then one more Eric and I will hop back in queue, just speaking some geographically I mean I guess the fleet age is going to vary by region depending on what markets are kind of replacement market, so what markets are growth markets and specifically everybody is worried about China.

I'm guessing that geographically that's not a huge PMA market for you quite yet?.

Eric Mendelson Co-President & Director

Yes. China as we say is a very good – remains a very good opportunity for us. We do sell some parts into China, but I do not anticipate any significant impact on our business whatsoever as a result of specifically China.

Now to the extent China impacts the rest of the world and the rest of the world gets impacted and reduces their flying then obviously there could be some impact but with regard specifically to China no, that's not going to be a major impact for us..

J.B. Groh

So PMA is probably more highly levered to North America, Europe?.

Eric Mendelson Co-President & Director

Yes. I would say the world with the exception of China..

J.B. Groh

Okay. Thanks a lot guys..

Eric Mendelson Co-President & Director

You are welcome..

Larry Mendelson

Thank you..

Eric Mendelson Co-President & Director

Thank you..

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Robert Spingarn of Credit Suisse..

Robert Spingarn

Good morning everybody.

Larry Mendelson

Good morning..

Robert Spingarn

Eric staying on the topic is there a way to quantify the organic growth in same parts.

So you talked earlier in your monologue about the fact your growth was derived from the introduction of the new parts, Larry, you talked about the R&D that gets you there, but if we look at sort of same-store sales on particular parts can you talk about what is happening?.

Eric Mendelson Co-President & Director

We analyze those numbers periodically but we don't disclose what they are because we can't get into obviously trends on specific platforms or engines or product types, but we definitely look at that. Most of our growth again is through volume change as opposed to pricing. We are not one of those suppliers who ratchets up pricing and gets it that way.

If we get 1% to 2% on pricing that's probably all we get and the vast majority is on volume growth..

Robert Spingarn

Is it fair to say then just given the softness the industry is seeing that volumes are modestly down year-on-year?.

Eric Mendelson Co-President & Director

I don't have that information in front of me, I mean but with us we were up for example 4% and so we're not getting 4% on pricing so --.

Robert Spingarn

No. I know but you are getting this adoption of new products which is organic growth but it's also really market share driven and so as long as you continue to spend on the R&D, I would expect that market share will continue to grow.

I'm just try to get a sense really about what you just talked a moment ago which is the behavior of the airlines and they have discovered -- it seems recently various means to put off maintenance and trying to figure out how deep that goes and if we're going to start to see some evidence that that is reversing. You talked about it a moment ago.

But is it possible they are also sourcing from the surplus market and we may not see that recovery so soon?.

Eric Mendelson Co-President & Director

No. I don't think so in the products that we provide there is a not a lot of surplus available we tend to supply more the expendable parts. So I don't believe it's a surplus phenomenon.

I think what is going on is that with lower fuel the airlines are flying some of the older equipment and that is increasing ASMs, but they are not putting money into fixing the older equipment. So really the moment of truth will come out when we find out whether they are going to infect retire or extend the lives of some of these aircraft.

There are certain airlines with certain what I would say not competitive, non -- if you were a current generation aircraft. We anticipate those to go down and no matter what fuel does, we don't anticipate those non-competitive aircraft to be flown beyond their expected retirement dates.

But there are other competitive aircraft and with fuel down where it is, it makes sense to extend time on those.

Now I don't believe the industry in general has seen the benefits and that's HEICO included have seen the benefit of extending the time on those older competitive aircraft and that's really what we're going to end up seeing I think as the airlines develop their budgets in the fourth quarter and then we learn about it of course perhaps in the fourth and in the first quarter..

Robert Spingarn

Okay. Then just a -- go ahead --.

Eric Mendelson Co-President & Director

Yes. But for us specifically we're doing well with the new product introductions and again our business is one of -- since we basically enter a product let's just say roughly 5 to 10 years after the initial delivery of the first aircraft by definition we are in there on the back end as they retire the aircraft.

So we do always have, I mean as part of our business model it's always contemplated being on the sunset fleet. So but I don't anticipate any significant change to our business model or what we have seen over the last 20 years..

Robert Spingarn

Okay. And then just a question really for all of you which is in your non-aerospace businesses if you could just talk about some of both positive and negative trends that might have been a bit of a surprise.

So I think there was some industrial pressure Eric in your business, Victor you had medical and space and then upside in defense if you could just talk a little bit about that?.

Eric Mendelson Co-President & Director

The largest non-flight business -- non-aerospace business within the Flight Support Group is ancillary industrial product line and again that was something basically where a customer had come to us a number of years ago wanted to use an aerospace solution for industrial product we went ahead and we did this.

We had the orders and then they realized that their unit that they were shipping to customers was not running as hot as they anticipated it to run and they were able to just basically remove the product from the bill of materials. So it wasn't really a loss to a competitor, but it was really a change in the design specifications.

And that is our only significant non-aerospace application. I can tell you that in terms of foreign military sales we continue to do very well. We have a little bit of defense exposure and we're doing very well in that area as well..

Victor Mendelson Co-President & Director

Rob, this is Victor. I would first tell you that organic growth in ETG in the third quarter was around 9% in 2014. So we're coming off a sort of heavy comp there. But in terms of the overall markets that we are looking at defense has been good for us and it's been good for us this year.

And I think it hasn't been on fire, but we talked about -- you and I have talked about this and talked about this on other calls that we expect that at some point this year we would see defense turning and I think that is happening.

We will have to see what happens as I mentioned in the earlier comments with the defense budget but right now there appears to be support for that as well in Washington.

And by the way our defense business I think has been good in both domestic capacity and in foreign business and that's a big chunk of it as I told you in the past of foreign destined part of ETG defense sales probably our average in excess of a third..

Robert Spingarn

By the way Victor on that note, do you get any visibility into the behavior of those customers with all this emerging market pressure et cetera? Do you get to see that or is it too many degrees of separation for you?.

Victor Mendelson Co-President & Director

I think that's probably too many degrees of separation for us and we're generally not so much on the emerging markets side. So we don't really see a lot of that.

And then in terms Rob of the other markets that we are serving space has been extremely strong for us and moderated a little bit in the period about somewhere in the neighborhood of half of that or somewhere around that is the result of the heavy foreign sales that we have in euro denomination changes internally when we have to translate back into dollars from our foreign businesses.

But I wouldn't say those are weak, but they are just a little bit softer. And in the other markets that we're serving again we singled out medical but again a big chunk of that was related to foreign currency translation changes in terms of those businesses local operations they have been strong overall. And we are pretty happy with those.

And then the other markets are just kind of the typical mix that we see out there..

Robert Spingarn

Okay. Thank you..

Victor Mendelson Co-President & Director

Thank you..

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Chris Quilty of Raymond James..

Chris Quilty

Thanks gentlemen.

I know you don't comment on specific acquisitions but I think last quarter you did mention an unusually large one that was in the pipeline and I didn't hear mention of that has that one slip off the radar screen or is it potentially still in the pipeline?.

Eric Mendelson Co-President & Director

Chris it's potentially still in the pipeline.

The acquisitions as you know you never can know when they are going to come around due to due diligence, you have questions and some of these things take a year and a half or more to incubate and the one that I was thinking about is still around I don't know where it will windup we never do until we get to the closing table..

Chris Quilty

Got you.

And just to circle back on the industrial products, if I remember how long we have been talking about that, is it fair to assume we're about at the end of the negative comps in that or when do we get some relief from that headwind?.

Carlos Macau Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer & Treasurer

Chris, this is Carlos. We will get relief that will tail off in Q4 so our 2016 numbers will be comparatively when it comes to that so what tails off in Q4 and then we should be good.

And as Eric mentioned that's tended to be between $7 million and $10 million a quarter and headwinds for us as a result of those customer orders not being necessarily in the current year..

Chris Quilty

Got you.

And Eric the better margins are those sustainable looking out into 2016 or were there some one-time benefits that we shouldn't expect to repeat?.

Eric Mendelson Co-President & Director

I’m sorry.

Can you repeat your question?.

Chris Quilty

Yes.

The Flight Support margins better than expected are those margins sustainable going into fiscal 2016 or were there one-time benefits that you derived in the current quarter?.

Eric Mendelson Co-President & Director

Yes. We have always said that the operating margins in the Flight Support Group run around the 18% level and they move around from sort of the low 17% up to go 19% or sometimes a little bit higher. I wouldn't want to say that anything has changed. There was a greater focus on higher margin activities in the quarter.

There were some lower sales of some lower margin we do a little bit of parts trading and they're definitely was pressure and we decided not to be active in that market where prices I think have been bid up by sort of financial buyers.

We have got a lot of experience in the sector and we decided to sit some of that out and those tend to be lower margins. So I think that weighed on our organic growth sales change, but also helped our operating margins.

So I would say that if the surplus market continues to show the dynamics that we have seen over the last three and nine months than they would tend to the upper side but if that market becomes a little bit more reasonable where we think we have got some good entry points then it would drop back down a little bit..

Chris Quilty

Got you. All right. Thank you, gentlemen..

Eric Mendelson Co-President & Director

Thank you..

Larry Mendelson

Thanks Chris..

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Michael Ciarmoli of KeyBanc Capital Markets..

Michael Ciarmoli

Hey, good morning, guys. Thanks for taking my questions..

Larry Mendelson

Hey, good morning..

Michael Ciarmoli

Eric just or Carlos back onto the FSG margins did you guys actually quantify, I mean it looks like the 50 basis point increase for the year works out to about $4.5 million, is that -- was all that in the current quarter between the accrued comp and the euro denominated earn out or is that between this current quarter and next quarter?.

Carlos Macau Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer & Treasurer

A lot of that was in this quarter and as I mentioned before some of that was FX related and some of that was related to lower accrued performance-based comp..

Michael Ciarmoli

Okay.

So is that kind of the ballpark number about $4.5 million though?.

Carlos Macau Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer & Treasurer

That's very close, yes..

Michael Ciarmoli

Okay, perfect.

And then just Victor, you mentioned commercial space moderating should we be concerned at all what we are seeing flowing siding the export import bank and potentially laying off workers and the domestic satellite market coming under pressure will that be an impact to you guys in that business line?.

Victor Mendelson Co-President & Director

I think it is a little too early to tell. It doesn't help us. I don't think. But our sales in the business are spread in a few markets, right? We have got the U.S. businesses, but we also have our French business 3D PLUS which offsets a certain degree when the U.S. satellite fronts are softer. So I think what we will have to see how it plays out.

And give it a little bit of time..

Michael Ciarmoli

Okay. Fair enough.

And then just a last one on ETG again I mean margins in the quarter I think the best they have been in quite some time maybe since that fourth quarter of 2014 but should we expect this sort of 25-ish percent level as we move into 2016? I mean is all the amortization headwind behind you guys should we thinking about this as again a consistent mid 20% segment margin?.

Victor Mendelson Co-President & Director

Yes. Overall, whether it's the same as it was this quarter remember you have to keep in mind that we have somewhere around 300 to 400 basis points of amortization expense which impacts us.

When we look at these businesses, we are rarely looking at 25% is somewhere around give or take 29% what I consider to be the true margin of the business what it derived from making and selling its products and services. So that's a pretty good number to me whether it becomes 28% or 27% or 30%, I will be honest with you.

I don't get too worked up about it. To me it's all pretty similar, so I would hope and expect that somewhere in that range is where we will continue to fall and I think you will see quarters where it's a little better. And I think you will see quarters where it's a little bit off from there.

But this range is around the range that seems to make sense for us. Again whether it's a point or two lower or a point or two higher it's kind of hard to see..

Michael Ciarmoli

Great. Thanks guys. That's all I have..

Victor Mendelson Co-President & Director

Welcome..

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your next question comes from the line of James Foung of Gabelli & Company..

James Foung

Hi. Good morning, everyone..

Larry Mendelson

Good morning..

James Foung

I just wonder if you could talk about the flow of new products coming in for the next 12 months. It seems that kind of been a big contributor to your profit this quarter.

And I'm just wondering if sequentially you can see more of a new product introduction over the next three quarters?.

Larry Mendelson

Again, Eric will answer that..

Eric Mendelson Co-President & Director

Hi, Jim. I anticipate the new product development over the next three quarters to be consistent with what we have done in the past. I don't think any tremendous change is there. We continue to develop the same kinds of parts we've done as well as enter into other adjacent market. So but I don't anticipate any significant change there..

James Foung

Okay.

But you typically carry a higher margin right because you get better pricing from the products than your existing components?.

Eric Mendelson Co-President & Director

Not necessarily. If especially when a product is new there may be some initial cost in first article and until we streamline the process. So it's not necessarily higher-margin..

James Foung

Okay.

And shifting gears a little bit on acquisitions Larry, just talk about your pipeline of acquisitions? You've been pretty active in the last quarter in August making some of these acquisitions, how does it look for the rest of the year going into 2016?.

Larry Mendelson

Well, I think the pipeline is good. One of the problems is we've discussed before is that we can have a strong pipeline and then we get in there and we do the due diligence which we do very thoroughly. And we find problems.

And I can tell you we're looking, I guess Chris Quilty asked me about one large acquisition I can tell you, when I say large, I mean larger than we normally do but I can tell you that there is more than one. But you never know what you are going to find.

I think for example Eric and I are having dinner with people tonight on an acquisition and God only knows what we are going to find out.

So it's just a question of due diligence digging and so forth so to predict we're going to do, it is very difficult and I don't like to blow the smoke and I don't like to tell people, we are going to do this there is a good pipeline, but we never know when these things will close and what we're going to find when we look under the rocks.

And that is the problem with the acquisitions. Unfortunately many sellers just to put a plane misrepresent. They say that they are going to produce apples and they produce oranges and when we get in there and we start turning over the rocks we don't like what we see.

So even though we are optimistic because they give us a great picture and they give us a book and show what a great company it is and then we start to look and we find out that it isn't. So we're very active -- to answer your question we are very active but to predict which one is going to stick, we really can't..

James Foung

Right. So I guess the involvement in activity has picked up more so than in the past essentially anticipating time in meeting with potential companies..

Larry Mendelson

I think that's accurate. I think there are a lot of transactions. We have actually 1.5 people working on. We used to have one person that's focused strictly on M&A and recently we hired another individual a younger person. But the other person that used to do it is kind of does it half-time now. He was tired and he wanted to kind of retire half-time.

So we have 1.5 people and then in addition to that we have Eric myself Victor and others Carlos. But the pipeline is good, in theory it's good. We are looking in Europe. We're looking in the U.S. but to predict an acquisition is such a risky thing and to give people false hope.

I do think the more that we have we have -- the more likely we are to make -- the odds are that we will do more acquisitions and some of the ones that we see a really terrific and we have to nail them down as to when and how I don't know..

Eric Mendelson Co-President & Director

And Jim, this is Eric. If you look we have done six acquisitions so far this year. And I think what was unique in all of those cases is that HEICO was the preferred acquirer by far by each of those sellers.

And many of whom are partners with us and were very excited about where they can take their businesses and how we can continue to help them grow their businesses and induct them into the HEICO network. So I think there is a lot of very good opportunity.

We are as mentioned working on a number of deals and I think HEICO remains still the preferred acquirer in these transactions so we are relatively optimistic there..

Larry Mendelson

And you know the acquisitions Eric is referring to our companies where the seller wants to have a liquidity event, however, wants to remain active is very knowledgeable about his industry so he winds up with a minority interest of roughly 20% and it's a win-win for us.

We are normally not an acquirer that wants to buy a company and then take that and shrink it down and get rid of personnel and to fire people and so forth. But that's normally not our model.

In a few cases we have purchased companies or product lines and put them in but we prefer to keep the personnel to keep the company to keep the managements and to work cooperatively. It is just our style..

James Foung

I think that's a great formula and keeps the owner motivated in growing the business as part of the larger HEICO Corporation..

Larry Mendelson

Exactly. And we always have put calls and will go over anywhere from three years to eight years or something. So they can put the stock to us over a period of time and we can call the stock over a period of time.

Interestingly enough in some of these cases -- in many of these cases the people have cashed out completely and they still continue to run the company and they are compensated incentivized and so forth.

And the relationship remains very strong as a matter of fact probably our best sales tool is to give a potential company that we want to acquire a list of 10 or 15 names of people from whom we have acquired companies and we say just call them up and ask them.

And that's really the best sales tool because they do that and they find out that HEICO does what it says it's going to do. If they promise you something that's exactly what will happen. So that's our formula and it works..

James Foung

Okay. Terrific. Thank you for the update. And look forward to seeing you on at my conference on September 9..

Larry Mendelson

Right. Thanks Jim..

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Steve Levenson of Stifel..

Steve Levenson

Thanks. Good morning everybody..

Larry Mendelson

Good morning..

Steve Levenson

Just wondering there is a huge installed base of CFM 56 engines of various types and over the next few years, CFM will be winding down production of that engine and shifting over to the leap.

Do you see HEICO's role changing on the CFM 56? Do you see an additional investment required in parts development or do you think it will just go along as it is now?.

Larry Mendelson

Steve that's a good question. Unfortunately we can't comment on specific engine platforms or customer relationships. But we are watching all of the various developments out there and plan to remain active and do what our customers want us to do..

Steve Levenson

Okay..

Larry Mendelson

We anticipate the follow-on engine to be very successful as well as [fair] [ph] option as well..

Steve Levenson

Okay, whether to ask on a specific engine then maybe we can look back on previous engines of any types has in general has the role changed? Do you find yourself being asked to deliver additional parts or develop additional parts to supplant what the OEM had made?.

Larry Mendelson

I would rather not answer the question. Due to competitive dynamics, I mean we're active across the wide array of engines as well as components airplane parts and we are basically all over the aircraft.

We are not going to want to necessarily develop a part at the end of its life because we are not going to be able to recover our investments, but we're --.

Steve Levenson

I just meant because the engine the last engine will still be in service for 20 years..

Larry Mendelson

Right. But we're active on anything that we want to be active on it..

Steve Levenson

Got it. Thanks very much..

Larry Mendelson

Thank you..

Operator

At this time there are no further questions. And I will now turn the call to Laurans Mendelson for any additional or closing remarks..

Larry Mendelson

I want to thank everybody on this call for their interest in HEICO. We remain available by phone or personal visit to answer questions which you may have. I am sure we are going to get a bunch of calls. Carlos and Tom are going to get a bunch of calls this afternoon for further detail.

But we are open to your questions and anything that we can do to help you please let us know. Until then we wish you a good balance of the summer a happy Labor Day and we will speak to you with the fourth quarter conference call which will be probably around the mid-December date.

So this is all that we have for the moment and we will speak to you soon. Bye-bye..

Operator

Thank you for participating in HEICO Corporation's fiscal 2015 third quarter earnings results conference call. You may now disconnect your lines and have a wonderful day..

Larry Mendelson

Thank you..

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