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EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT 2017 - Q4
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Executives

Jonathan Gould - Enbridge, Inc. Albert Monaco - Enbridge, Inc. John K. Whelen - Enbridge, Inc. D. Guy Jarvis - Enbridge, Inc. William T. Yardley - Spectra Energy Partners LP.

Analysts

Jeremy Bryan Tonet - JPMorgan Securities LLC Robert Kwan - RBC Dominion Securities, Inc. Andrew Kuske - Credit Suisse Securities (Canada), Inc Darren C. Horowitz - Raymond James & Associates, Inc. Ben Pham - BMO Capital Markets (Canada) Linda Ezergailis - TD Securities, Inc. Robert Catellier - CIBC World Markets Inc. Robert Hope - Scotia Capital, Inc.

Dennis P. Coleman - Bank of America Merrill Lynch Praneeth Satish - Wells Fargo Securities LLC.

Operator

Welcome to the Enbridge Incorporated, Enbridge Income Fund Holdings, Enbridge Energy Partners, and Spectra Energy Partners Fourth Quarter Fiscal Results Conference Call. My name is Amanda, and I will be your operator for today's call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode.

Following the presentation, we will conduct a question-and-answer session for the investment community. Please note, this conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the call over to Jonathan Gould, Director, Investor Relations. Jonathan, you may begin..

Jonathan Gould - Enbridge, Inc.

Thank you, Amanda. Good morning and welcome to our Q4 call this morning. With me here, I have Al Monaco, President and CEO of Enbridge; John Whelen, EVP and Chief Financial Officer; Guy Jarvis; Executive Vice President, Liquids Pipelines; and Bill Yardley, Executive Vice President, Gas Transmission and Midstream.

Our joint call will again include discussions for all of the Enbridge entities, including Enbridge, Inc., Enbridge Income Fund, Spectra Energy Partners and Enbridge Energy Partners.

This will allow us to provide a consistent enterprise-wide strategic and financial perspective, while at the same time weaving in specific commentary on strategy and performance of each of the sponsored vehicles.

Note that we've developed supplemental information for each vehicle to ensure that we can continue to provide full and transparent disclosure for each. Some of this information is appended to the presentation here today and has been posted to the various company websites.

As per usual, this call is webcast, and I encourage those listening on the phone line to follow along online with the supporting slides. A replay and podcast of the call will be available later today, and a transcript will be posted to the website shortly thereafter.

In terms of Q&A, given the broad agenda and limited time we have available, we will prioritize calls from the investment community only. If you're a member of the media, please direct your inquiries to our communications team, who will be happy to respond immediately.

We're again going to target keeping the call to roughly an hour, and may not be able to get to everybody. So, please limit your questions to one and a follow-up as necessary. But as always, we will ensure that our Investor Relations team will be available for your more detailed follow-up questions afterwards.

Before we begin, let me point out that we will refer to forward-looking information on today's call, and by its nature, this information contains forecast, assumptions and expectations about future outcomes. So we remind you that it's subject to the risks and uncertainties affecting every business, including ours.

This slide includes a summary of the significant factors and risks that could affect Enbridge and its affiliates and are discussed more fully in our public disclosure filings available on both SEDAR and EDGAR. So, with that, let me now turn the call over to Al Monaco..

Albert Monaco - Enbridge, Inc.

Thanks, Jonathan, and good morning, everyone. I'm going to start off with a brief recap of 2017 and then the key priorities through 2020, and then, cover off our quarterly business update. John's going to review the financial results for Enbridge and the sponsored vehicles and talk about the implications of U.S.

tax reform across the Enbridge group, so we may take a few minutes longer in our remarks today to make sure we get our views out on that one. So on to slide 4, we had a very busy 2017.

The Spectra deal transformed Enbridge from what was mostly a Canadian liquids pipeline company into a North American oil and gas, oil and natural gas infrastructure business. We quickly integrated the assets and hit our year one's synergy target.

While we were doing that, we quietly put CAD 12 billion of projects into service, our largest program ever, on time and on budget. Operationally, we had a very good year. We optimized throughput, minimized downtime and maintained our leading safety performance.

Results-wise, we came in at CAD 3.68 per share in distributable cash flow that was within the guidance range. We were very pleased with Q4 which gives us momentum into 2018 where we expect to see a nice uptick in growth. Sponsored vehicle numbers came in well, as you saw. That outlook is stable and we made headway on streamlining.

Another important item was our post-Spectra strategic review, which we landed on our three-year plan and priorities, so let me recap those on the next slide.

Number one, we're moving to a pure pipeline/utility model, liquids pipelines and terminals, natural gas transmission and storage, and gas utilities, all of which generate highly predictable cash flows and come with embedded growth. That means we'll sell or monetize non-core assets which include U.S.

and Canadian gathering and processing and our onshore renewables, CAD 3 billion of which is targeted for this year. Although no longer core to us, these are strong businesses that will be very attractive to strategic and financial buyers. We've kicked off the process and we've seen a lot of interest right out of the gate.

Number two is to accelerate deleveraging to our goal of 5 times debt to EBITDA by the end of this year. This will happen through the combination of growing EBITDA, non-core asset monetization and a prudent funding plan, a good plan for funding, and we're focused now on completing it.

Third, our CAD 22 billion secured capital program will support expected 10% DCF and dividend per share CAGR through 2020. Our fourth priority is to continue to streamline. The Spectra-related synergy capture is on track to achieve the CAD 540 million target, and we now think there's even more opportunity.

We've got a three-year continuous improvement program that targets top quartile cost performance. And finally, we're always looking at ways to extend growth, but we will be disciplined on how we allocate capital.

That means investing and growing our three core businesses because that's where our competitive advantage lies and where we can earn the best return. Let me now move to our business update. As we kicked off the year, the business fundamentals are strong in our view.

Western Canadian crude supply is growing from the large scale oil sands projects and we have rising North American and global energy demand, all of which is supportive of infrastructure growth. There's two economic factors that are top-of-mind right now, U.S. tax reform and interest rates. On tax reform, we've gone through our initial assessment.

John will cover that, including the impact on sponsored vehicles. The bottom line, though, is that based on our review, we don't see a material impact to distributable cash flow to Enbridge over the three-year financial outlook we presented at Enbridge Day. Beyond 2020, lower tax rates will surely be positive for the business.

With long bond yields creating some jitters in the market, our conservative financial policies insulate us from rising rates. We do that through locking in rates on hedges, a prudent maturity profile, and floating rate debt limits. Our commercial agreements also mitigate exposure.

For example, our liquids Mainline CTS toll has an annual inflation escalator. Tolls on Lakehead have an indexing and cost pass-through mechanism that accounts for rising rates, and our new utility rate application includes a revenue escalator for inflation.

As you know, we manage economic factors very closely through our risk management policies and Cash Flow at Risk framework, and you can see on the slide that our CFaR is less than 3%.

Switching gears now to the outlook on the Liquids Pipelines business, we're very pleased with the recent performance and outlook for the mainline, and the chart that we have configured here tells that story. If you go back over the last while, we've expanded the system and more recently completed several optimization projects to maximize throughput.

Because of upstream supply disruptions, though, this is the wildfires you recall back in 2016 and the Syncrude stoppage last year, we really haven't been able to take full advantage of the increased capacity.

But in December, the combination of growing WCSB supply and strong refinery demand drove record deliveries of 2.733 million barrels per day ex-Gretna, which is close to maximum capacity. You can see that with the narrowing throughput to capacity gap on the slide.

January and February volumes look pretty strong as well, and we expect that the system will essentially be full for the rest of the year. In fact, we expect that to be the case through 2020, including our Line 3, given growing supply and lack of other pipeline capacity before then. That means a pretty strong Mainline outlook through 2020.

But what about beyond that for planned competing pipelines, which we do assume go ahead for our planning purposes. There are several important factors that underpin the continued strength of the mainline in that environment, so let me just spend a minute on that on the next slide.

Most of you know that the system that we operate out of Western Canada offers great market reach and highly competitive tolls. And it has the operating flex and crude slate optimization that nobody else can really provide.

There's confidence in WCSB supply growth now, but equally important is the downstream part of the equation that provides strong market pull dynamics, and here's why. The Mainline is directly connected to 1.9 million barrels per day of upper PADD II refineries, which are heavily reliant on Canadian crude.

PADD II represents some of the highest priced netbacks for crude, and when combined with our competitive toll, offers producers netbacks that can be CAD 5 higher than the alternatives. And we've put this on the chart that you see and the numbers that are reflected there are really a post-2020 assessment of our tolls.

For example, in December, PADD II took roughly 1.7 million barrels per day of crude, which drives home the competitiveness of these PADD II refiners taking barrels from our system. Now, even though Canadian barrels wanted to get to the Gulf Coast given the wide basis, PADD II refiners were very competitive in buying WCSB barrels.

Another aspect of market demand fundamentals for our Mainline are the take-or-pay contracts up to 1 million barrels per day to Montreal, Patoka, Cushing and the U.S. Gulf. You'll recall that's through our market access pipelines, namely Line 9, Southern Access Extension, Flanagan South and Seaway.

So it's for those reasons that beyond 2020, we're confident that the Mainline will remain highly utilized. So, in summary, here's the way we look at the competitive dynamics post 2020. In a one new pipeline scenario, given the production forecast, we expect to be largely full and will likely be in an expansion mode on the Mainline.

In a two new pipeline scenario, the competitiveness of our tolls, flexibility of the system and the strength of market pull will ensure very strong throughput. Now, turning to execution on slide 9, now, this slide recaps the full list of projects that we put into service last year totaling CAD 12 billion.

This is history, so I won't dwell on them, but they're included here to emphasize that these are low-risk, solid return projects, generally low-teen returns on equity, that are going to drive cash flow growth in the coming years. In fact, it's the key driver behind our strong 2018 growth outlook.

Slide 10 shows the next phase of organic growth projects we have in execution. The 2018 to 2020 capital program is CAD 22 billion, on which we're making good headway. As you can see, the slate of projects is very well diversified by size, region and commodity.

We're forecasting CAD 6 billion in projects coming into service next year, not quite the same load as we had last year, but we continue to be very sharply focused on executing these. Let me provide a brief update on three significant projects on the next slide. First, NEXUS provides much needed export capacity for gas out of the Utica and Marcellus.

It's a good example of how our large footprint now can facilitate growth as this pipeline ties into our Vector system to ultimately deliver into our LDCs in Ontario.

Construction is well underway in Michigan and will be starting up in Ohio shortly, and Bill and his team here are very focused on doing a top-notch job, especially from an environmental and community engagement perspective. Another good new story is the Valley Crossing pipeline in South Texas.

Construction is almost 80% complete there, made great progress. This will be a critical link to serve growing gas-fired power demand in Mexico. And as you can see on the map here, the footprint is very well positioned to capture further growth opportunities in the Gulf Coast and Permian.

Last on this slide, on the Rampion offshore wind project, this is, as a reminder, a very large facility at 400 megawatts of capacity. All 116 turbines are now in, and connection to the grid is underway. We expect full operation in the second quarter of 2018. So, good progress on these projects. Now, let me move to Line 3.

As a reminder, Line 3 is a critical infrastructure project that will further enhance the reliability of our system. This will be a truly world-class pipeline utilizing the latest in materials, construction, and technology.

We have strong support for the project, landowners, communities, First Nations, and refiners, who all want to see this project built as soon as possible, and they're actively supporting our efforts. Our 2017 program went well. In Canada, we're about 400 kilometers done, and pump station work is underway.

The construction team is getting excellent support from the communities, and we're pleased, very pleased to have provided CAD 75 million of direct business opportunity to First Nations communities who are on the right of way. Construction in Wisconsin is also done and will be tied in next quarter.

In Minnesota, the project has undergone, I would say, the most extensive and inclusive review of any pipeline project. In January, the PUC reconfirmed the regulatory timeline, which was a good outcome. A recommendation on the Route and Need Permits (sic) [Need and Route Permit] to the PUC on April 23 will come from the ALJ.

And the PUC has indicated it expects to make a decision at a meeting in June. So we continue to expect the project to be in service in the second half of 2019. Before I turn it to John, just a quick update on sponsored vehicles for me. As most of you know, in November, we made an offer to eliminate the GP incentive distribution rights at SEP.

The objective there was to reduce SEP's cost of capital so it could capitalize on future opportunities. And we see SEP as a very important part in growing our overall natural gas business. So, with this change, obviously, SEP will be better able to position for organic growth, acquisitions, or potentially drop-downs from Enbridge.

And I think all of this aligns us very well being unitholders and the shareholders. We finalized this transaction in January, and we believe it's a good win-win proposition. All the vehicles now, we believe, are well positioned with sound balance sheets, good distribution coverages and attractive value propositions.

So, with that, I'm going to hand it over to John now for his review of the numbers..

John K. Whelen - Enbridge, Inc.

the impact of a full 12 months of contributions from the legacy Spectra assets we acquired at the end of February last year; continued strong performance from our core businesses, particularly the Liquids Pipelines systems where we expect Mainline system throughput to remain very strong; the input of a full year of operations from the CAD 12 billion of projects Al noted that we brought into service in 2017; and of course, partial year contributions from new projects scheduled to come into service in 2018, although the larger ones are weighted towards the back half of the year, which will help support growth into 2019.

So, no changes to our outlook for EBITDA or DCF at this early stage, and our 10% dividend increase announced in December of last year remains very well supportive. Moving on now to these performance of our sponsored vehicles, which all delivered solid results in 2017, either in line with or a little better than expectations.

I'm starting on slide 19 with highlights for Spectra Energy Partners, or SEP. At SEP, ongoing EBITDA was up sharply over 2016 on both a quarter-over-quarter and year-over-year basis, while ongoing DCF for the full year came in at about $1.53 billion, a little bit above the upper end of our guidance range.

The story here is in many respects similar to previous quarters this year, very steady performance from base assets and a big contribution from $2 billion of accretive organic growth projects that we placed into service over the course of the year.

SEP continued to increase its distribution by $0.0125 per share each quarter, which translated to an increase of approximately 7.3% relative to last year and is expected to continue to grow its dividend at the same rate every quarter through the end of 2018. In connection with U.S.

tax reform, SEP has booked an $860 million non-cash charge to 2017 GAAP earnings. Effectively, the accounting rules require us to establish this regulatory liability for amounts collected through rates and respective deferred taxes that could become refundable to shippers over time as a result of the reduction in the U.S. federal tax rate.

To be clear, this accounting charge has no immediate impact on SEP's rate base or its current tolls.

As I said before, we believe that any potential rate refund would most likely be considered in connection with a future rate case, which would take into account a variety of other incurred and prospective costs in the determination of new rates and would, in any event, be amortized over a very long period approximating the remaining life of the assets.

While the timing of any such rate case remains uncertain, we don't anticipate, as I said before, a material impact on SEP's DCF outlook as a result of tax reform. Turning now to Enbridge Energy Partners on slide 20, adjusted EBITDA was down relative to the fourth quarter and full year 2016 results.

But this was expected given the sale of the Ozark assets last year and, of course, the sale of the Midcoast G&P business to Enbridge as part of the restructuring we completed earlier this year.

EEP finished 2017 strongly delivering adjusted EBITDA of $1.67 billion, just under the upper end of our pro forma post restructuring guidance, with DCF a little above the upper end of the guidance range.

Performance of the Lakehead Mainline was steady and in line with expectations, reflecting its regulated and largely cost-of-service tolling framework. 2017 results also benefited from contribution from EEP's interest in the Bakken Pipeline System that was placed into service on June 1, 2017.

Tax reform did not result in any accounting-specific impacts to EEP's 2017 financial statements, given the manner in which the EEP toll is determined and integrated with the Canadian Mainline toll.

However, there will be a reduction in revenue from certain assets whose tolls are based on a facility surcharge mechanism, which includes a tax allowance in the determination of cost-of-service. We estimate the net impact to EEP DCF at approximately $55 million annually.

And as you'll note on this slide, we've reduced our 2018 adjusted EBITDA and DCF guidance to reflect this revised revenue outlook. Finally, turning to slide 21 on highlights for ENF and the Fund Group, Fund Group DCF was up CAD 74 million from Q4 of last year and CAD 139 million from 2016, in line with the guidance.

Growth was driven primarily by higher throughput and higher tolls in the Canadian Liquids Mainline, strong demand for seasonal firm capacity on the Alliance Natural Gas Pipeline, and better results from the Fund's Green Power facilities which benefited again from stronger wind resources in the second and fourth quarters of 2017.

Fund Group DCF is expected to continue to grow in 2018, with revenue on the Mainline driven by higher average throughput, a higher effective FX hedge rate, and a full year's contribution from the Regional Oil Sands pipelines we placed into service last year.

And the longer-term outlook continues to support 10% annual dividend growth at ENF through 2020 as we announced at Enbridge Days. The Fund Group does hold some U.S. assets in its portfolio, which are impacted modestly by U.S. tax reform.

In the fourth quarter of 2017, we've recognized a non-cash charge of $52 million related to the re-measurement of the deferred tax asset that occurred as a result of the reduction in U.S. tax rates. This amount has been normalized in the determination of Fund Group DCF.

Looking forward, on balance, the Fund Group will actually benefit modestly from tax reform. As I noted earlier, EEP's FSM tolls will be reduced as a result of the reduction in U.S. tax rates.

To the extent the EEP tolls go down, ENF will see a corresponding uptick in its Canadian Mainline toll revenue under the existing International Joint Tolling framework. The increase isn't large enough to change our guidance for the Fund Group or ENF at this stage, but it certainly provides a nice tailwind earlier in the year.

So, with respect to tax reform, ENF is up a little bit, EEP's down a little, and we don't expect a near-term impact on SEP. As noted earlier, the impact to Enbridge's consolidated revenue are essentially neutral. Before I turn it back over to Al, I wanted to briefly touch on funding on slide 22.

The plan we rolled out at Enbridge Days is depicted graphically on the right-hand side of this slide and designed to accelerate deleveraging and strengthen the balance sheet while cost-effectively financing our CAD 22 billion secured capital growth program.

The plan continues to be highly executable and is designed to achieve our longer-term credit metrics by the end of 2018 and provide further strengthening of those metrics over the balance of our three-year planning horizon to increase go-forward financing flexibility.

As we discussed at Enbridge Days, we're targeting to bring down debt-to-EBITDA, as we define that ratio, to 5 times by the end of 2018 and comfortably below that level as we execute on our current capital program and seek opportunities for growth.

At the same time, we'll look to bring FFO-to-debt up to 15% by the end of 2018, and maintain that ratio comfortably above that longer-term target going forward. S&P, Fitch and DBRS have all reaffirmed their BBB High-level ratings based on their comfort with this plan.

You will have seen that Moody's downgraded Enbridge to Baa3 stable back just before Christmas. We were disappointed with this action, but our plan remains the same. And we're confident that it will deliver the target metrics that they have publicly outlined for a Baa2 rating by the end of 2018, based on our outlook for the business.

Executing the funding plan is very much a strategic priority in 2018. Our asset monetization plans continue to progress and are on track. We've made a good start on funding with a CAD 2.6 billion of common and preferred equity we raised across the group in December.

And we'll be proactive in tapping hybrid and debt markets to meet the balance of our funding requirements for the year.

The plan is flexible and provides for a number of alternate sources of equity equivalent financing that we can draw upon to meet the balance of our equity funding requirements, which could support turning off the DRIP sometime within the current plan horizon. And with that, I'll turn it back to Al to wrap up..

Albert Monaco - Enbridge, Inc.

Okay, John. As I said, we took a bit longer today to get that information out. But I'll wrap up quickly here.

Really, the main points that we want to make to close this off on the remarks is, I think we've rolled out a very strong plan through 2020 that really charts a path for us going forward of strong DCF and dividend growth rate of 10% through that period, while still focusing on our core businesses and bolstering our financial flexibility even further.

So, overall, we believe the plan is solid, the outlook is strong and execution is going to be a key focus for us in 2018 on the key priorities that we outlined. So, with that, we'll turn it over to the Q&A session..

Operator

Thank you. Our first question is from the line of Jeremy Tonet of JPMorgan. Your line is open..

Jeremy Bryan Tonet - JPMorgan Securities LLC

Good morning..

Albert Monaco - Enbridge, Inc.

Good morning, Jeremy..

Jeremy Bryan Tonet - JPMorgan Securities LLC

I want to touch on a Reuters article with regard to potentially accelerating some of the asset sales and just wondering if you could address that and is that a possibility of something that you might want to do?.

Albert Monaco - Enbridge, Inc.

Okay. Well, I'm actually glad you raised that, Jeremy. I saw that article as well yesterday. I guess maybe the first thing I'd say is, I'd use that information with caution since it's not from us. So, I would treat it as suspect, but let me just back up here.

The plan we rolled out at Enbridge Day is in place, which was we designated non-core asset sales of CAD 10 billion, it's actually probably higher than that level. We indicated very clearly that the target for 2018 was CAD 3 billion, that's in our plan and that's incorporated into the guidance.

We've got a very solid funding plan, as John just talked about, many options and levers to pull if need be. And there's certainly nothing that indicates to us that additional asset sales would be required.

But, obviously, as we always would, if there are ideas that come forward or offers that are put on the table that we can't turn down, then we'll probably have a look at those. So, it's good to have optionality here, but really only if it enhances the plan as we've laid out at Enbridge Day..

Jeremy Bryan Tonet - JPMorgan Securities LLC

That's helpful. I guess it's always important to take it from the horse's mouth here. Just wanted to also touch on the Mainline as well, and it seems like you're currently tracking above the midpoint of your guide for next year.

And I was just wondering if there's an element of conservatism built in there or is there issues, downtime that you're expecting or interruptions, anything with Line 5, some of the regulatory issues there that you could update us on or anything else we might not be thinking of because it seems like you're kind of trending above that..

Albert Monaco - Enbridge, Inc.

Yeah. I'll start it out. Jeremy, it's a good observation. We are a little bit above that budget level at the moment, at least we were in December and January look good, as I said. I think, at this point, we're probably close enough to the budget that there's no real significant change or view that we have at this time. It's pretty close to the budget.

So, I would say we can take it at that. I don't know, Guy, if you want to add anything to it..

D. Guy Jarvis - Enbridge, Inc.

Yeah. I think the only thing I would add about December is to get up into that type of record throughput levels. Obviously, production has to be working; refineries need to be working; and you have to be at a good spot inventory-wise across your system. So, those three things all came together and delivered that record volume.

But, as Al said, we shouldn't expect that we will be able to do that every month..

Jeremy Bryan Tonet - JPMorgan Securities LLC

That makes sense.

And just Line 5, is there anything new on the regulatory side that you guys are expecting there, or--?.

D. Guy Jarvis - Enbridge, Inc.

No. Nothing new. We're executing on the seven pieces that we committed to the state under our agreement. We've met any of the deadlines that were in it to-date and we continue to plan to meet all the other deadlines that are in it through the balance of the year..

Jeremy Bryan Tonet - JPMorgan Securities LLC

Thank you for taking my question..

Albert Monaco - Enbridge, Inc.

Okay. Thanks, Jeremy..

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Robert Kwan of RBC Capital Markets. Your line is open..

Robert Kwan - RBC Dominion Securities, Inc.

Good morning..

Albert Monaco - Enbridge, Inc.

Good morning..

Robert Kwan - RBC Dominion Securities, Inc.

I'm just wondering, in the MD&A under the U.S. sponsored vehicle strategy, there's some new language there mentioning things like potential consolidation, sale of securities, and changes to capital structure. I recognize that it's pretty broad and you've covered pretty much the entire waterfront, but you're pretty careful with wordings.

So, I'm just wondering what we should take from that..

Albert Monaco - Enbridge, Inc.

Well, I guess maybe at the high level, then I can – John, you can comment as well on the MD&A. But, at this point, we feel pretty comfortable with where we are on the sponsored vehicles. I think at Enbridge Day, we laid this out.

Basically, I think over the last year, we've done a couple things that were helpful in terms of streamlining and simplifying. If you go through them, MEP was taken out, the SEP IDRs. On EEP, obviously, that involved a larger restructuring that I think was helpful. At this point, we need a little bit more seasoning to EEP to hopefully see that through.

And so, really we haven't changed our position at the moment on sponsored vehicle strategy..

John K. Whelen - Enbridge, Inc.

I don't think I've got anything to add to that. We're always careful on MD&A to ensure that the full gamut of our strategy is laid out, so it's just consistent with our normal practice..

Robert Kwan - RBC Dominion Securities, Inc.

Understood. If I can finish with a question on the Mainline, with the Mainline fall and the heavy spreads that we've seen or just the spreads that we've seen for Western Canada, you've got some of the incremental expansions that you've held out there.

I'm just wondering how you're thinking about them with respect to – are they tied in many ways do a renegotiation of CTS and you're getting things that you want such as minimum volume commitments.

Have you seen an acceleration of discussion with customers about getting at some of that stuff maybe sooner than later? And as well, are there any discussions or do you think that the customers understand that the Mainline may be the best way to socialize the insurance of excess capacity for the basin?.

Albert Monaco - Enbridge, Inc.

Okay. Well, again, I'll start it out. I think those are very good questions, Robert. At a high level, the customers in the Western Canada really see the Mainline as having excellent attributes, and we went through those in the discussion.

And they certainly are encouraging us to talk about and review the expansions with them as they move through a number of other alternatives, I guess, in terms of the pipeline space. So, for sure they're encouraging us to move those along.

In this environment, obviously, if you're a producer or a refinery, you'd like to see all the potential opportunities developed and that's certainly the case for the Mainline just given the attributes around the low-cost nature to the key markets, the scale, the optimization, the segregation that we can provide. So I would say that's number one.

Number two, with respect to CTS, we would expect that we get moving along on that discussion. I think you know that those discussions would normally start two years before finalization of CTS, so that would be 2019. And we're getting some encouraging feedback around wanting to move forward on that.

So there's nothing definitive yet, but certainly positive on both fronts.

Guy?.

D. Guy Jarvis - Enbridge, Inc.

I'd just maybe add two things. First off, just to reaffirm, we do have work plans in place for all of those expansion projects, so we do continue to work all of them. There's not a lot that has to take place around them in 2018, but we're keeping our eye on all of them. I think just to add a little bit around the tolling piece.

The beauty of these things is their competitiveness. So, when we've looked at most of them within the context of the current CTS deal, we don't believe we would need a surcharge mechanism or anything like that for most of these. They would just roll right into the CTS.

So, they're going to be very competitive and should fit very well, whether it's the tail-end of this CTS or whether it's into our next tolling agreement..

Robert Kwan - RBC Dominion Securities, Inc.

That's great. Thank you very much..

Albert Monaco - Enbridge, Inc.

Okay. Thanks, Robert..

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Andrew Kuske of Credit Suisse. Your line is open..

Andrew Kuske - Credit Suisse Securities (Canada), Inc

Thank you. Good morning. Maybe just keeping with the Mainline topic and if you could just highlight your effective connectivity into Patoka and then the options that you may be looking at as far as Capline goes and the Capline reversal..

D. Guy Jarvis - Enbridge, Inc.

Okay. Andrew, it's Guy. So, we can get into Patoka or that vicinity in three ways. So, we can get in there from – we make deliveries into the Mustang system that delivers in there, Mainline deliveries into the Mustang system that can get there. Of course, Southern Access Extension can get us into that market.

The Platte System gets us down into that market, just not a absolute direct connection, but we've got a number of ways, Mainline and otherwise, to get barrels into Patoka. We've always said we're very interested in that Capline reversal, and like I think the rest of industry are waiting to hear from the Capline owners what their next steps might be..

Albert Monaco - Enbridge, Inc.

I think part of that Capline opportunity is very much linked to Line 3 and the timing of that project going into service, and that would kind of make it all fit together the pieces of the puzzle in terms of getting more crude into the Eastern part of the U.S.

Gulf Coast which is – again, as Guy said, we've seen a lot of encouraging signs around people wanting to commit on Capline. So, I think it could fit together quite nicely when Line 3 comes in..

Andrew Kuske - Credit Suisse Securities (Canada), Inc

That's helpful.

And then a follow-up and maybe a little bit farther out in time, how do you think about just the potential for Southern Lights to be reversed and then repurposed?.

D. Guy Jarvis - Enbridge, Inc.

Well, certainly that's something that we've had in our expansion plans and I think we haven't really done a deep dive into that just yet, but it seems to us that the emerging fundamentals for natural gas in Western Canada directionally would be supportive of having more native condensate in the basin.

And certainly, if that emerges, it will have us looking seriously at the flow direction of Southern Lights..

Albert Monaco - Enbridge, Inc.

Yeah. It's a good illustration I think, Andrew, of having a big footprint and scale in the system. And, of course, today we've seen a lot of repurposing of infrastructure. So, Southern Lights is running fine at the moment, but very good upside for us.

And importantly, for the producers, again, getting back to the previous question around how we could make additional expansion capacity available getting into that key market in PADD II..

Andrew Kuske - Credit Suisse Securities (Canada), Inc

That's great. Thank you..

Albert Monaco - Enbridge, Inc.

Okay..

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Darren Horowitz of Raymond James. Your line is open..

Darren C. Horowitz - Raymond James & Associates, Inc.

Good morning, guys. Quick question for Bill on NEXUS. Considering the plan to have that remaining 40% plus or minus of that line contracted by 2020, based on what you're seeing with the tariff dynamics in the Dawn, it's getting increasingly competitive.

What negotiated rate do you now have built into the guidance for remaining NEXUS capacity? Is it fair to assume something like what was negotiated with Union in the mid to high-70s plus fuel or cost inflation? And if so, does that still suggest that the return on the project should achieve a high-single digit rate?.

William T. Yardley - Spectra Energy Partners LP

Yeah, Darren. Thanks. So, basically we haven't disclosed for obvious reasons what the negotiated rates are with any of the shippers.

So, what I would say is that the marketing efforts that will continue over the next two years to get to our target for that 40% would be in the ballpark of what – the expectation is still we're in the ballpark for what the original contracts are, both with the producers and with the LDCs.

And bear in mind, there's a ton of load in the middle of Ohio that we've had some fairly productive discussions with that doesn't rely on Dawn pricing necessarily. So, I'd say, overall, the assumption of whatever we've sold – the price – at the rates that we've sold today would hold forth for the other 40%..

Darren C. Horowitz - Raymond James & Associates, Inc.

Okay.

And then just a quick follow-up on Valley, when do you guys view the optimal timing for the dropdown, especially in light of bonus depreciation and the tax benefit? And then, pro forma the incentive distribution rate collapse, how does that change possibly Enbridge's appetite for incremental SEP equity or the composition of how you would finance that drop?.

William T. Yardley - Spectra Energy Partners LP

Well, perhaps, these are questions that John can chime in on but, certainly, for the Valley Crossing drop, I'm not sure there's an optimal time other than after it's in service, so I would say at some point thereafter.

On the IDR question, I think from my vantage point, it certainly does make SEP a fairly competitive vehicle in the marketplace and an attractive source of funding. But, John, I don't know if you have anything else to add on that..

John K. Whelen - Enbridge, Inc.

No, I don't. I mean, we've always said that sponsored vehicles are one way that we can push forward raised funds across the group, whether we're doing things organically or whether we're doing things by way of acquisition from third parties or potentially acquisitions from Enbridge, Inc. So, keeping that currency strong is all part of the strategy..

Albert Monaco - Enbridge, Inc.

I don't want to extend the answer too long, but I do think it's important just to draw some larger context around this. And that is part of the thinking around the IDRs, as I mentioned in my remarks, was allowing SEP and capitalizing on SEP frankly to grow the natural gas business. So, I think your question on Valley Crossing is good.

That's the most obvious one. But, remember, there's perhaps even a broader suite here to think about. Vector, as you heard earlier, with respect to NEXUS and moving gas and other's gas into the market in Ontario is a very strong line.

And we've also got some other assets, particularly highly contracted offshore assets, that could be attractive for SEP as well. So, there's a bevy of dropdowns, not to mention obviously SEP has some good organic growth opportunities in front of it as well..

Darren C. Horowitz - Raymond James & Associates, Inc.

Thank you..

Albert Monaco - Enbridge, Inc.

Okay..

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Ben Pham of BMO. Your line is open..

Ben Pham - BMO Capital Markets (Canada)

Okay. Thanks. Good morning. I wanted to go back to asset monetizations and I'm wondering how do you guys think about prioritization and what asset package to tee up in terms of timing and maybe using Midcoast as an example, why Midcoast over onshore renewals first..

Albert Monaco - Enbridge, Inc.

Okay. Well, again, I think at this point, the plan includes the sale of CAD 3 billion. Now, we haven't been specific, purposefully, as to what's included in the CAD 3 billion. We've itemized the two general categories being G&P and renewables.

Frankly, we're seeing a very strong reaction to what we've got out there so far, mostly G&P, probably top of the order just given timing, but also very strong indications for renewables. And I think, Ben, the market for those assets is very strong today.

So, I would say it has to do with having some good options and flexibility, depending on what we see out there. And so, I think that's how to look at this. The Midcoast assets themselves, remember, have – after the restructuring, Ben, I guess, cleaned up per se in that an asset sale there is a lot simpler compared to where the assets were held before.

Those could be sold on block or by parcel, whatever it takes to generate the best value there and make sure we hit the target for this year of CAD 3 billion, like we said. So I think it's a bit of a flexibility in option, (53:25) depending on what we see..

Ben Pham - BMO Capital Markets (Canada)

Okay. And then secondly, your other funding strategy of the hybrid market, we're seeing governments move, but Moody's yields haven't moved at all.

I mean, is there any big change in the hybrid market offer from a funding perspective?.

John K. Whelen - Enbridge, Inc.

It's John, Ben. No, I think actually we're seeing a fairly good receptivity. We've been unusually transparent in terms of what our plan looks like, so we've heard some inquiries (53:54) out there. You're right, the underlying treasuries have gone up a bit, and I would say we are hedged to a degree on that.

Meanwhile, we've actually probably seen spreads tick in a little bit, so both in terms of price relative to what we were anticipating, but also market access. I think we feel pretty comfortable right now..

Ben Pham - BMO Capital Markets (Canada)

Okay. All right. Thanks, John. Thanks, everybody..

Albert Monaco - Enbridge, Inc.

Okay..

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Linda Ezergailis of TD Securities. Your line is open..

Linda Ezergailis - TD Securities, Inc.

Thank you. Maybe I'll ask some operational question. With respect to your tracking ahead of plan on synergies with respect to the Spectra integration, and I'm wondering what the nature of the potential further synergies that you're seeing is in terms of timing and scale..

Albert Monaco - Enbridge, Inc.

Okay. Well, I'm not going to be too specific about the scale, other than to say, as I said in my earlier remarks, that the big picture objective is to get to top quartile on cost. But with respect to the synergies, this sort of goes in order of, I guess, certainty, if you want to look at it that way, Linda.

I think the first year here, it's highly transparent because it's generally elimination of duplicate functions. So that's kind of like the labor component of it. Next in line would be other costs that can be eliminated through review of processes and simplification and so forth. I'd say we're well into that.

Then there's a third element of it which relates to supply chain, and that's probably a larger opportunity, even just given the mass of both operating and capital that we put to work every year, so going through that with a fine-tooth comb and generating that.

Those tend to take a little bit longer because they involve a process change and they involve a lot of discussion with suppliers and so forth. So that's kind of the batting order of the three categories..

Linda Ezergailis - TD Securities, Inc.

Okay. And just as a follow-up, your Services business, Energy Services, was challenged again in Q4.

Can you comment on how Q1 is looking? Are there maybe some sort of transportation and storage obligations that are creating a drag for 2018? And are there perhaps other market intelligence benefits for your corporate development group that justifies running the segment at a continued loss?.

John K. Whelen - Enbridge, Inc.

It's John, Linda. Yeah, I mean, to the latter question first, I think that's absolutely right. We always have a benefit in there in terms of having ear to the market, if you will, in terms of what's going on and understanding logistics as they apply not just on our own systems, but around the entire grid.

With respect to the outlook, I think I did mention in my remarks that some of the capacity obligations that have been a bit of a burden over time will be relieved of over the course of this year, so I think that'll be helpful for that segment..

Albert Monaco - Enbridge, Inc.

Yeah. Just more broadly in terms of the general strategy in support for the business, if you look back over time, the business has been very strong in generating value from the low risk arbitrage opportunities we have in play.

So, where we can provide blending, where we can capture basis differentials, and where we can provide storage, these are all, I would say, very much core to the overall infrastructure business. And I think we will hopefully get some help from the items that John mentioned around some of the commitments rolling off.

So we should see a better 2018 and based on where we see some of the diffs right now, we're hopeful for that business..

Linda Ezergailis - TD Securities, Inc.

And Q1 is looking good then or better?.

Albert Monaco - Enbridge, Inc.

It's certainly been better in Q1 compared to where we saw basis last year. So we're hoping it's a better quarter than the fourth..

Linda Ezergailis - TD Securities, Inc.

Okay. Thank you..

Albert Monaco - Enbridge, Inc.

Okay..

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Robert Catellier of CIBC Capital Markets. Your line is open..

Robert Catellier - CIBC World Markets Inc.

Hi. Good morning. Thanks for those thorough comments. I did have a couple of questions, though. First with U.S. tax reform, can you comment on the interest deductibility caps of U.S.

tax reform and the exemption for utilities and how those might impact the company and the availability of any mitigating strategies you might have to offset those impacts?.

John K. Whelen - Enbridge, Inc.

Robert, it's John. Yeah, I mean, it is a complex piece of legislation and there are a lot of interwoven parts. And for a company like ours that has a very big gas business, regulated utility business, but also has a very big liquids business and other businesses in the portfolio, it's a bit of a balancing act.

There are lots of things, quite frankly, that we think we can do to manage over that over time. And as I said in my remarks, we don't think the net impact is actually going to be significantly material, especially for a company that's carrying fairly significant loss positions down in the U.S. at this particular point in time.

But we're watching for the emerging detail that will come out of Treasury as we go to do this. But as we look at the scenarios and the interpretations, I think we're pretty comfortable in terms of where we'll come out going forward in terms of our taxability horizon and our cash tax profile..

Robert Catellier - CIBC World Markets Inc.

So, the neutral outlook includes the impact of interest deductibility caps?.

John K. Whelen - Enbridge, Inc.

Yeah. I'm putting that in there and with the caveat that we're obviously continuing to wait for some clarification because the implementation rules aren't very clear. It's a pretty big piece of legislation and there's still some regulation to come. But I think we're pretty comfortable at the end of the day..

Robert Catellier - CIBC World Markets Inc.

Sure. Understood. I appreciate the complexity issue. Now, the second question has to do with the recently revamped major project process in Canada. I'm wondering how it impacts how you – basically your willingness to put development dollars at risk and how it might change your capital allocation plans..

Albert Monaco - Enbridge, Inc.

That's an excellent question. Maybe I can just summarize it this way. I think everybody would agree that there's been regulatory uncertainty for a while and that is causing investor concern and, obviously, concerns from us as well in terms of where we put capital to work.

I would comment that, generally, we're supportive of the government's goal to increase the confidence in the process, and we're thinking that the direction is right in terms of aspects of the legislation.

So, for example, there hasn't been any change as far as we can see and how our day-to-day operations are overseen, I guess, by the regulator in Canada. That's important because there's a lot going on other than major projects in terms of regulation.

There's been no change with respect to the current projects we have underway until new legislation gets in. So that's good. There are some shorter timelines that have been proposed for new projects, in some cases, not all.

And I think it's positive that the goal was to address indigenous issues, which has been obviously part of the issue with respect to major projects. Some of the concerns, though, obviously, whenever you have a major change to legislation for regulation is it's always difficult.

And there is, I would say, a degree of overall complexity that we're looking at going forward in the future. So, I would say there's still some level of unpredictability until we see the legislation, and there'll be continued uncertainty I think for a little while.

But the good news is that we're still working very hard with the government to make sure that we're providing all of the input as they form their legislation. But I guess to go to your broader question, we're going to be very cognizant of where we put capital. And we heard about U.S. tax reform which is positive for the business.

And so, obviously, that will be a factor in where we look as well as driven by where the opportunities are. So, long-winded response, but that's our view on regulatory reform today coming out of what we saw..

Robert Catellier - CIBC World Markets Inc.

Yeah, that's helpful especially juxtaposing that versus the improved environment from tax reform. Thank you..

Albert Monaco - Enbridge, Inc.

Yes. Okay..

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Rob Hope of Scotiabank. Your line is open..

Robert Hope - Scotia Capital, Inc.

Good morning, everyone..

Albert Monaco - Enbridge, Inc.

Good morning..

Robert Hope - Scotia Capital, Inc.

Just a question on the sponsored vehicles. We've seen you exchange the GP interest for LPs at SEP.

But when you look at the rest of the suite of sponsored vehicles and MLPs, are there other simplification measures that you're contemplating, or longer term, could we see a reduction in the number?.

Albert Monaco - Enbridge, Inc.

Well, let me start by saying this, Robert. We certainly are not blind to the fact that people prefer a simplicity in this market which we agree with. We've inherited obviously a couple of vehicles here with respect to the Spectra deal. I think we've taken some pretty good actions so far given that it's been the first year we've been working on it.

We're going to – I guess maybe the bottom line is, we'll continue to evaluate to see if there's any of those opportunities to simplify further. So, I think that's probably – that's our view at the moment. And until we see something different, we'll continue to look at it..

Robert Hope - Scotia Capital, Inc.

All right. Thank you. And then just one follow-up on the Mainline, the 2.7 million barrels per day that you did in December, I know you've done a very good job eking out kind of incremental capacity over the last couple of years.

Is there more work to be done in 2018 there, or are we reaching the upper limit of the effective capacity there?.

D. Guy Jarvis - Enbridge, Inc.

It's Guy. I think to this point in time, we've kind of exhausted the list of opportunities that we've seen. Again, the key feature of what we've tried to do is create opportunities to make better utilization of the light capacity in our system.

Historically, we've seen a bit of a pattern of a drop-off of light volumes into the spring and through the summer, and our target is to try and make better utilization of that capacity if that happens. So, we've got a series of different plans that can meet upwards of 200,000 barrels a day of that type of capacity.

It's unlikely you would see them all work at the same time. But certainly, they're there and at this stage of the game, we really don't have any others that are underway..

Albert Monaco - Enbridge, Inc.

Yeah. Maybe I'll just add, Rob. I think Guy's team has done a great job of eking out further capacity and throughput opportunity. I would say the real juice from here on is aside from the additional work that can be done in capitalizing on this light heavy issue is these additional expansion projects. They're low cost.

They require very little in the way of regulatory – a major regulatory permitting and so cost effective for the producers. So those are the ones that we're going to be moving along, and that's probably where the real upside is from here..

Robert Catellier - CIBC World Markets Inc.

Thank you..

Albert Monaco - Enbridge, Inc.

Okay..

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Dennis Coleman of Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Your line is open..

Dennis P. Coleman - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Yes. Good morning. Thank you. I have just a couple. One, can you give us a little bit of a update on what's going on with the Sabal Trail situation? I know there was a flurry of activity right at that first week of February.

But what outcomes are we looking for and what timing?.

William T. Yardley - Spectra Energy Partners LP

Yeah, sure. Dennis, It's Bill. So just to catch up, I think everyone knows project went into service back in July. It remains commercially operational. Court ruled back in August that FERC didn't assess the downstream greenhouse gas issue. That was the Sierra Club contention.

And then FERC has since then issued a Supplemental Environmental Impact Statement that does address the downstream GHG issue and basically concluded that there weren't any material downstream effects. So what we expect from this point forward is for – to issue a new revised certificate shortly, perhaps within a month.

And that should basically eliminate any of the issues..

Dennis P. Coleman - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

So then, you would expect the court to vacate the decision or that should eliminate the court case?.

William T. Yardley - Spectra Energy Partners LP

That's right. Yeah, I think when FERC issues a revised certificate, it would have to be re-challenged. It would basically end the current challenge situation..

Dennis P. Coleman - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

I see. I see. Okay, very good. Thank you.

And then maybe can you just give a little update on the gas company amalgamation? Any update there to be had?.

Albert Monaco - Enbridge, Inc.

It's a good question, Dennis. So we put through our initial application and that would include not just the amalgamation but the initial rate application. The Ontario Energy Board has gone through that, has now been setting the timeline. At this point, it looks like we would have a decision sometime in Q3, potentially beginning of Q4.

That's our best handicapping of it. Of course, the overall goal is to move that along so that customers can see benefits, and we're hoping that the rates would be effective as of January 1, 2019. That's the current status..

Dennis P. Coleman - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Okay. Thanks very much. That's all I have..

Albert Monaco - Enbridge, Inc.

Okay. Thank you..

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Praneeth Satish of Wells Fargo. Your line is open..

Praneeth Satish - Wells Fargo Securities LLC

Good morning. Just two quick tax questions. On the SEP side, my understanding is that the $860 million non-cash charge tied to tax reform, that could grow over time until there's a rate case.

Do you have a sense for how much that liability could increase year-over-year in 2019?.

John K. Whelen - Enbridge, Inc.

It's modest over that period. There wouldn't be a huge amount and not probably anything that would impact our guidance..

Praneeth Satish - Wells Fargo Securities LLC

Okay. And then just a follow-up question is on the EEP side, it doesn't look like the MLP took a non-cash charge similar to SEP, just curious why that's the case..

John K. Whelen - Enbridge, Inc.

It's an interesting one. It's an accounting nuance, but the EEP toll structure when combined with the Canadian Mainline under the International Joint Tolling arrangement, when you look at it through an accounting lens, effectively, that's a negotiated structure and a negotiated agreement.

So, therefore, it doesn't have that, if you like, potential liability associated with it. So, when we went through it with the accountants and the auditors, that's the conclusion that we came up with. It's a little nuance of how EEP is tolled..

Albert Monaco - Enbridge, Inc.

Yeah. Basically, it's a negotiated rate..

Praneeth Satish - Wells Fargo Securities LLC

Got it. Okay. Thank you..

Albert Monaco - Enbridge, Inc.

Okay..

Operator

Thank you. And we have reached our time limit and are now able to – and no longer able to take any further questions. I would like to turn the call back to Jonathan Gould for closing remarks..

Jonathan Gould - Enbridge, Inc.

Nafeesa Kassam for Enbridge Income Fund; and Roni Cappadonna for all Spectra Energy Partners and Enbridge Energy Partners-related follow-ups. So thank you, everyone, for your time and interest in the Enbridge group of companies and have a great day..

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect..

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