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EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT
EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT 2022 - Q4
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Operator

Good morning, and welcome to the Central Puerto conference call following the results announcement for the fourth quarter ended on December 31, 2022 and full year 2022. [Operator Instructions]. Please note, this event is being recorded.

If you do not have a copy of the press release, please refer to the Investor Support section on the company's corporate website at www.centralpuerto.com. A replay of today's call may be accessed by accessing the webcast in the Investor Support section of the Central Puerto corporate website.

Before we proceed, please be aware that all financial figures were prepared in accordance with IFRS and are stated in Argentinian pesos, unless otherwise noted. It is worth noting that the financial statements for the fourth quarter ended on December 31, 2022 and full year 2022 include the effects of the inflation adjustment.

Accordingly, the financial figures mentioned during the call, including the data from previous periods and the growth comparisons, have been stated in terms of Argentine pesos at the end of the reporting period.

Also, please note that certain statements made by the company during this conference call are forward-looking statements, and we refer you to the forward-looking statements section of our earnings release and recent filings with the SEC.

Central Puerto assumes no obligation to update forward-looking statements, except as required under applicable security laws. To follow the discussion better, please download the webcast presentation available on the company's website. Please be aware that some of the numbers mentioned during the call may be rounded to simplify the discussion.

On the call today from Central Puerto is Fernando Bonnet, Chief Executive Officer; Enrique Terraneo, Chief Financial Officer; and Federico Bozhori, Financial Controller. And now I will turn the call over to Federico Bozhori. Mr. Bozhori, you may begin..

Federico Bozhori

first, an increase in net monetary position loss which amounted PEs 8.3 billion during the fourth quarter of the 2022 compared to a higher inflation and higher balance of monetary assets, partially offset by the share of profit of associates with PEs 0.2 billion gain during the fourth quarter of 2022 compared to PEs 0.2 billion loss in the fourth quarter of the 2021.

Second, an increase in financial expenses, which amounted to PEs 13.5 billion during the fourth quarter of the 2022 compared to PEs 5.2 billion in the fourth quarter of 2021, mainly due to an increase in foreign exchange difference due to a higher depreciation of the Argentine peso during the quarter, offset by an increase in financial income that amounted to PEs 8.4 billion in the fourth quarter of 2022 compared to financial income PEs 2.5 billion in the fourth quarter of 2021, mainly due to higher financial asset results in the fourth quarter of 2022 of PEs 7.8 billion.

Third, higher FX difference and interest in FONI receivables, partially offset by negative impact of impairment on property, plant and equipment. FONI collections related to trade receivables for Vuelta de Obligado Plant totaled PEs 3.1 billion in the fourth quarter of 2022, including VAT compared to PEs 3.6 billion of fourth quarter of 2021.

The amounts are being collected on time and according to the signed contract. On Page 14, we can see the key financial figures for the full year. Revenues decreased 9% to PEs 101.4 billion for the 2022 compared to PEs 111.2 billion in 2021.

The decline in revenues was mainly affected by the termination of Brigadier Lopez TG PPA contract in August of 2022 and an extraordinary maintenance in TG 27 of Lujan De Cuyo Cogeneration plant, offset by retroactive increases related with Resolution 826 and 238 price adjustments and higher hydro generation.

Adjusted EBITDA, excluding impairment and FONI FX difference and interest for 2022 reach PEs 67.5 billion compared to PEs 68.8 billion in 2021, mainly due to lower revenues and lower depreciation and amortization, partially offset by insurance recovery, lower financial cost of operating activities and lower production costs and decrease in administrative and selling expenses mainly explained by decreases in compensation services.

Finally, consolidated net income was PEs 19.1 billion in the 2022. Net loss of PEs 1.3 billion in 2021, mainly due to fair value gains on Forestry acquisitions, lower deferred income tax due to property, plant and equipment impairment. Going to Page 17, you can see our cash flow for fiscal year 2022.

Net cash provided by operating activities was PEs 55.6 billion during the 2022. This cash flow arises from PEs 25.8 billion from the other operating results net obtained during the 2022; second, PEs 15.8 billion in collection of interest from clients, including the one from FONI.

Third, PEs 3.4 billion in variations in other nonfinancial assets and inventories.

Fourth, insurance recoveries of PEs 1.3 billion; and fifth, adjustment to reconcile profit for the year before income tax with net cash flows of PEs 21.1 billion, which was partially offset by the income tax expense paid of PEs 8.0 billion, second PEs 3.7 billion in variation in Trade Accounts Payable. Other accounts payable.

Other nonfinancial liabilities and employee benefit liabilities. Net cash used in investing activities was PEs 31.3 billion in 2022. This amount was mainly due to PEs 17.9 billion from the investment in short-term financial assets.

Second, PEs 10.4 billion in Forestal Argentina acquisition, and third PEs 3.3 billion in Investment in financial assets and Capex which was partially offset by PEs 0.3 billion in dividends collected. Net cash investing in financial activities was PEs 16.3 billion in 2022. This amount was mainly due of positive PEs 3.6 billion of dividends paid.

Second, PEs 6.3 billion in debt services, amortizations of existing loans mainly related to expansion projects. And third, PEs 6.4 billion in interest in financial expenses, mainly related to those loans. Thank you. And now we invite you to ask any questions to our team..

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. Your first question is coming from Martin Arancet from Balanz Capital..

Martin Arancet

Martin Arancet here from Balanz Capital. There was a very new figure. And well, I have 5 questions. Sorry for this. I would like to run them one by one, if that's okay. First, going into the new forest line of business.

I just wanted to confirm how much do you expect average EBITDA, consider, of course, the volatility that each year might have? And do you sell the wood on the spot or contract terms? Probably if you can share with us what index should we follow to better track pricing?.

Fernando Bonnet Chief Executive Officer & GM

Sorry, we are suffering some noise on the line.

Can you repeat the question, please?.

Martin Arancet

Yes, yes.

About the forest line of business -- the new forest line of business, first, I want to confirm how much do you expect as average EBITDA considering the volatility, of course, [indiscernible] have? And also, if you sell the wood on the spot or contract terms and what index should we follow to better track pricing?.

Fernando Bonnet Chief Executive Officer & GM

Sorry, I cannot hear very well. I'll try to answer how I understand that your question.

You're -- I think you are asking for a projection of EBITDA for 2023, you say? Or the impact of the new regulation in the EBITDA?.

Martin Arancet

I was asking about an average expectation on EBITDA like because I know that each year has -- it could be very volatile.

And if you saw the wood on the spot or contract terms?.

Fernando Bonnet Chief Executive Officer & GM

Okay. Okay. In terms of the new regulation, we are receiving a new PPA for the combined cycles. The combined cycle, which are the spot market. So this new regulation allowed us to sign a PPA for the -- only the combined cycle, not the steam turbines.

And this new regulation give us $2,000 per megawatt of installed capacity per month in dollars and the rest will be collected as a portion of the actual regulation which is the Resolution 826, the last one that we have. So we will have a mix for the combined cycle, we will have a mix of dollars and pesos.

So it's difficult to predict the evolution of EBITDA because it will be affected by the FX. But this more or less to say, to give you a guidance about how this impact in Central Puerto will be like between $10 million and $15 million for our combined cycles. So the one that we have in [indiscernible] and the one [indiscernible].

These are the machines that receive these benefits. In terms of Central Costanera, the new acquisition will be -- the impact will be more or less the same, another $15 million. And of course, this is depending on the evolution of the FX. And the despatch of equipment. But considering the same availability that we see -- that we saw during the 2022.

We will have these impacts of -- regarding the new regulation. Apart from that, we expect that we can maintain the remuneration that we saw or the EBITDA that we saw in the last year. Of course, apart from the ending of the PPA of Brigadier Lopez, as Federico mentioned.

This brings a reduction in EBITDA around depending -- as I mentioned, again, the effects about rounding $40 million. So that's more or less you can construct the expectation of EBITDA evolves..

Martin Arancet

Okay. That's great. Can you hear me? I hear you correctly, but I don't know if you can hear me..

Fernando Bonnet Chief Executive Officer & GM

Yes, yes. I can hear you about the quality of sound is not very good..

Martin Arancet

Okay. I will try to talk louder then.

About the forest line of business, I wanted to know if you sell the wood on the spot or if you have contracts?.

Fernando Bonnet Chief Executive Officer & GM

As you say in terms of Masisa acquisition?.

Martin Arancet

Yes, exactly..

Fernando Bonnet Chief Executive Officer & GM

Yes, we have both. We have contracts, and we have -- we sell on the spot, yes. We have both. Mainly it's on the spot..

Martin Arancet

Mainly for the spot.

And there is an index that we can follow to track the pricing?.

Fernando Bonnet Chief Executive Officer & GM

Yes. Yes. There is -- yes, there is a price index in the inter-web page.

Hello?.

Martin Arancet

Hello? Yes -- page. Okay. Great. Going to my second question then.

[indiscernible] 10 megawatt solar park that you will be constructing in the coming months, who will be these people to eventually [indiscernible] larger facility -- do you have land transmission right, permits and ancillary infrastructure to span beyond those 10 megawatts if you get more offtakers..

Fernando Bonnet Chief Executive Officer & GM

In fact, we have land, but there are some constraint in the transmission line. So we can enlarge it. But I think right now, with the lines as it is I think we can go for 5 megawatts more, but not more than that with these line constraints that we are seeing there.

We can go for -- yes, for 5 megawatts, but not more than that until the transmission lines get wider. We are entering there, in fact, we are not entering in 500 kV or 132 kV, we are entering 33 kV. So it's kind of at the level of distribution companies. So we are not much more space there for enlarge.

Of course, we have land for enlarge, yes, but not the space [indiscernible]..

Martin Arancet

Okay. Very clear. And then my second question -- then my next question -- my next question is you recently heard about your interest in mining.

Are you already in talks for potential acquisitions? And also, is it metallic mining that you're talking or lithium projects or maybe both?.

Fernando Bonnet Chief Executive Officer & GM

No, we are in the very first steps of knowing the markets and knowing the sector, knowing the players. We attend to the mining convention in Toronto. So we start getting in touch with the players, but we don't have any prospect in mind yet. And in terms of materials, we are putting focus on -- as you mentioned, metals.

Lithium is something that we saw, but I think we are in this phase of evolution of the market in Argentina and for us, it's not easy to compete with Chinese companies and the big players. So it's not easy to enter there right now..

Martin Arancet

Okay. Great. Regarding the Brigadier López, I'm sorry if you already mentioned this, I had some problems.

Do you have any more specifics to share with us like let -- updated CapEx or COD, for example?.

Fernando Bonnet Chief Executive Officer & GM

Yes. In fact, we are starting the pre-analysis -- the analysis, not the pre-analysis. We are starting in an agreement with the constructor -- the possible constructor in an evaluation assessment, which is the previous Phase II started to enter in the construction, in fact.

So we expect to have more or less 3 months, let's say, to discuss these analysis, reevaluation and all the information that they need to assess, which is they've engineering -- detailed engineering, specific engineering, what is -- what we have on site and what we had to update and then after that, we are expecting between 20 and 24 months of construction, that are our expectations.

. In terms of CapEx, we don't have a fully updated CapEx yet after this evaluation that I talked about, I think in 2 or 3 months, we will have a clear view of the CapEx amount. But we are not expecting to go further than we have in the past, which is around $140 million -- between $120 million and $140 million..

Martin Arancet

Perfect. Very helpful.

And my final question then if you look the entire forestry base business, payment in the last quarter? Or is there something still to be paid in 2023?.

Fernando Bonnet Chief Executive Officer & GM

You talk about what kind of payments, sorry, I didn't hear you..

Martin Arancet

The payment for the new forestry business to [indiscernible], if you look at the entire payment in 2022, if there's something left for 2023?.

Fernando Bonnet Chief Executive Officer & GM

You say payments related to CapEx, to development -- I cannot hear you very well..

Martin Arancet

When you bought the forest, the payment to buy the forest..

Fernando Bonnet Chief Executive Officer & GM

Yes. We pay in full. This is -- we already paid the full amount. So we are not expecting a payment for this acquisition. No payment, no..

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Mr. Bonnet for any closing remarks..

Fernando Bonnet Chief Executive Officer & GM

Thank you, everyone, for your interest in Central Puerto. We encourage you to call us for any information that you may need. Have a great day..

Operator

The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect..

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