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EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT
EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT 2018 - Q1
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Executives

Mark Tryniski - President, Chief Executive Officer Joseph Sutaris - Senior Vice President of Finance.

Analysts

Alex Twerdahl - Sandler O’Neill Brody Preston - Piper Jaffray Russell Gunther - D.A. Davidson.

Operator

Welcome to the Community Bank System First Quarter 2018 Earnings Conference Call.

Please note that this presentation contains forward-looking statements within the provision of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 that are based on current expectations, estimates, and projections about the industry, markets, and economic environment in which the Company operates.

Such statements involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from results discussed in these statements. These risks are detailed in the Company’s annual report and Form 10-K filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

Today’s call presenters are Mark Tryniski, President and Chief Executive Officer; and Joe Sutaris, Senior Vice President of Finance. Gentlemen, you may begin..

Mark Tryniski

Thank you, Laura. Good morning, everyone, and thank you all for joining our Q1 conference call. As you heard in Laura’s introduction being joined today by Joe Sutaris, our Senior Vice President of Finance, and not Scott Kingsley, our CFO. Scott is having knee surgery today so Joe will be pensioning for him and providing the financial commentary.

We really couldn’t be more pleased with first quarter results. EPS excluding acquisition expenses was up 30% over 2017 or $0.18 per share due primarily to the strategic deployment of capital last year with the NRS and Merchants Bancshares transaction.

We also benefited from a slightly lower effective tax rate that contributed $0.03 of the $0.18 improvement. Our fee-based businesses also had a tremendous quarter with revenues up 30% our organic and reported growth and improved margin as well.

Operating expenses were in line with our expectations as was the assets quality with the exception of additional $1 million charge-off related to the single credit we discussed last quarter.

Our loan book was down for the quarter as seasonally expected but slightly positive commercial despite $38 million unscheduled paydowns, nearly half of which relates to a single relationship where the underlying businesses sold.

At quarter end, both our mortgage commercial pipeline was up 19% to 27% respectively over year-end and loan growth was positive for the month in yesterday. Deposit inflows were robust at the end of the quarter. The total deposit funding costs remained at exactly 10 basis points began for the second quarter.

We have significant earnings momentum, we need to support with balance sheet growth, but focus for us for the remainder of the year. We expect our operating and credit costs to be stable. Our fee-based business to grow and our funding costs increased only modestly. In summary, we’re off to an exceptionally start to 2018.

Joe?.

Joseph Sutaris Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer & Treasurer

Thank you, Mark and good morning everyone. As Mark noted the first quarter 2017 was another very solid operating quarter for us. We set a new record for quarterly operating earnings maintain or the processes at zero and report the solid increased to non-interest income. I’ll start off with a few comments about our balance sheet.

We close the first quarter of 2018 with just slightly less than $11 billion in total assets. This is up slightly from $10.75 billion in total assets at the end of the fourth quarter of 2017. Other than a small insurance agency tuck-in transaction, we do not have to maintain significant acquisitions during the first quarter of 2018.

Average earning assets for the first quarter of 2018 were $90.4 million, which was flat to the linked quarter of 2017, fourth quarter of 2017.

While the total earning assets did not change significantly disclaim in linked quarters we experienced a slight change in the composition of earnings assets during the quarter including a $56 million increase in average cash and cash equivalents, a $12 million decrease in average investment security outstanding the $37 million decrease in average loans outstanding.

Ending loans at March 31, 2018, were down 29.7 million from year-end 2017. Business loans were up slightly for the quarter despite of $33 of unscheduled pay-offs during the quarter, while in consumer portfolios were down seasonally anticipated. Switching to the annual quarter comparison.

Total assets, average earning assets, average loans outstanding were all up by 20% or more between the first quarter of 2017 and the first quarter of 2018 due primarily to our acquisition of Merchants Bancshares in the second quarter of 2017.

The transaction resulted in the acquisition of $2 billion of assets, $1.49 billion loans, $370 million of investment securities as well as $1.45 billion into bottoms [ph]. As of March 31, 2018, our investment portfolios stood at $3.43 billion, it was comprised of $589 million of U.S.

agency and agency backed mortgage obligations, or 19% of the total, $510 million of municipal bonds or 17% of the total and $1.89 billion of U.S. treasury securities or 62% of the total. The remaining 2% this corporate and other debt securities.

The net unrealized gains and losses in the portfolio less from a net gain in December 2017 to a net loss in March 2018 due to an increase in marked interest rates during the quarter. More specifically, the portfolio contained net unrealized losses of $18 million at March 31, 2018, compared to net unrealized gains of $24 million at December 31, 2017.

The effect of the duration of the portfolio remains slightly less than four years. Average deposit balances were up $1.3 billion between the first quarter of 2017 and the first quarter of 2018, also reflective of the Merchants transaction and continued success in core deposit gathering.

We ended the quarter with $405 million of borrowings of which $282 million were collateralized customer repurchase agreements which act like and are priced much more like interest bearing checking deposits rather than wholesale borrowings.

As such, with the exception of our $123 million of highly efficient and regulatory capital additive trust preferred obligations, our March 31st balance sheet was virtually -- had virtually no debt -- external debt.

Our asset quality remains strong, at the end of the first quarter, 2018 nonperforming loans comprised of both legacy and acquired loans, totaled $29.7 million, or 0.48% of total loans.

This is 4 basis points higher than the ratio reported at the end of the linked fourth quarter of 2017 and 2 basis points higher than the rates reported at the end of the first quarter of 2017. Our reserves for loan losses represent 0.77% of total loans outstanding and 0.97% of legacy loans outstanding.

Our reserves remain adequate and we’ve seen the most recent trailing four quarters of charge offs by a multiple of four. We reported 3.8 million in the provision for loan losses during the first quarter of 2018, this was $1.9 million higher than the first quarter of 2017 and $1.7 million lower than the fourth quarter of 2017.

The allowance for loan losses to nonperforming loans was a 162% at March 31, 2018, this compares to 173% at the end of the fourth quarter and 206% at the end of the first quarter of 2017. We recorded net charge offs of $3.2 million or 21 basis points annualized on loan portfolio during the quarter.

This includes an additional $1.1 million charge down on a single commercial credit relationship we provided commentary on during the fourth quarter we saw, an additional 800,000 specifically impaired reserves remain allocated through this relationship.

By comparison we recorded net charge offs of $2 million or 60 basis points annualized during the first quarter of 2017. The net charge off ratio in our consumer indirect installment loan portfolio for the first quarter of 2018 was 46 basis points. This compares to 42 basis points during the first quarter of 2017.

The reported annualized net charge offs on the residential mortgage and home equity loan portfolios are 3 and 5 basis points respectively. Our capital levels in the first quarter of 2018 continue to be very strong. The Tier 1 leverage ratio was 10.19% at the end of the quarter which is over two times of well capitalized regulatory standards.

Intangible equities and the net tangible assets ended the quarter with solid 8.42%, this is down slightly from the end of the fourth quarter's 8.61%. Tangible equity which is the numerator was unchanged at $859 million, as growth in the company retained Merchants was offset by a decrease in cumulated other comprehensive income.

This is largely attributable to the decrease in the market value of the available for sale securities portfolio, investment securities portfolio, due to higher market interest rates as noted earlier.

Tangible assets, the denominator increased $225 million between the end of the fourth quarter 2017 and the end of the first quarter of 2018 and [indiscernible]. Shifting to the income statement. Net interest margin for the first quarter of 2018 was 3.71%.

This compares to 3.65% in the first quarter of 2017, an increase of 6 basis points between comparable quarters. The average yield on earnings assets was up 8 basis points between the period. Interest bearing liability has increased 4 basis points.

The comparative results include the inclusion of the Merchants asset and liability portfolio in the second quarter of 2017 as well as the reduction in tax equivalent yield gross up on the company’s non-taxable municipal securities and loan portfolios due to a decrease in federal corporate tax rate between the periods.

On a linked quarter basis, net interest margin decreased 3 basis points from 3.74% in the fourth quarter of 2017 to 3.71% in the first quarter of 2018. The previously mentioned change in the tax reform yield on non-taxable municipal securities and loans negatively impacted reported margin by approximately 4 basis points.

In addition to fourth quarter of 2017 net interest margin was favorably impacted by 3 basis points due to the receipt of the Federal Reserve Bank's semiannual dividend.

It should be noted that our proactive and disciplined management of funding cost continue to have a positive effect on margin results in spite of 6.5 basis point increases in the target response rate since the fourth quarter of 2015 as well as the general increase in market interest rates.

Our cost of deposits has remained between 10 and 11 basis points for nine consecutive quarters. We reported $57.5 million in non-interest income during the first quarter of 2018. This represents a $13.2 million or 29.7% increase over the first quarter of 2017 and $3.6 million or 6.6% increase on a linked quarter basis.

Non-interest revenues in all three of the company’s operating segments, banking, benefit plans administration and all other which include revenues from our wealth management insurance divisions are up on an April quarter and linked quarter basis.

Non-interest income from our banking sources increased $1.1 million or 5.7% on a linked quarter basis from $19.3 million in the fourth quarter of 2017 to $20.4 million in the first quarter of 2018.

These results are reflective of several initiatives to expand customer service offerings and increased deposit service fee including our electronic banking revenues. Non-interest revenues are up $4.5 million or 28.7%.

In the banking segment on a comparative annual quarter basis due to both the Merchants acquisition and several fee improvement initiatives. In addition, we recorded increases in non-interest income in our benefits administration and wealth management and insurance division on a linked quarter and annual quarter basis.

During the first quarter of 2018 we recorded $37.1 million of revenues in these businesses. This compares to $34.6 million during the fourth quarter of 2017, an increase of $2.4 million or 7% on a linked quarter basis. On an annual quarter basis, revenues were up $8.6 million or 30%.

The revenue increases in these segments are due to a combination of factors including the NRS acquisition and Merchants transaction for small insurance agency tuck-in acquisitions completed since the beginning of 2017 as well as organic growth.

Consistent with full year 2017 results non-interest income represent about 40% of the company’s total operating earnings. We reported $86.3 million of total operating expenses during the first quarter of 2018. This compares to total operating expenses excluding acquisition expenses of $86.1 million during the fourth quarter of 2017.

Although, total operating expenses were relatively flat on a linked quarter basis, there were significant variances among several components of operating expenses.

Similar to prior year’s first quarter activities, we incurred higher levels of salaries expenses for merit-based wage increases and incentives, reported increase in statutory payroll taxes and incurred higher occupancy expenses largely due to facilities [indiscernible] heating and winter maintenance activities.

Adversely, we reported decreases in marketing related expenses and certain professional services on a linked quarter basis.

On an annual quarter comparative basis, operating expenses excluding acquisition expenses increased $14.5 million or 20.2% due largely to an increase in salaries and benefit expense and occupancy expense related to the NRS and Merchants transactions.

We believe the first quarter operating expenses are fair, a fairly reasonable proxy for our core operating expense run rate with balance of the year. Our effective tax rate in the first quarter of 2018 was 23% versus 27.4% in the first quarter of 2017.

The net reduction in the effective tax rate between the purchase primarily due to passage of the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act signed into law in the fourth quarter of 2017, which lowered corporate tax rates from 35% to 21%. For the next few quarters, we anticipate net interest margin to be similar to the first quarter of 2018 results.

The comparably modest organic growth opportunities in the markets for new loans as well as competitive conditions are likely to limit our ability to immediately and fully pass along recent increases in the national market interest rates borrowings.

In addition, although, we will continue to take a measured approach with respect to deposit pricing return in April. It is unlikely that we will be able maintain a zero-deposit data during the remaining three quarters of 2018.

We also expect to continue to receive the Federal Reserve Bank’s semi-annual dividend in the second and fourth quarters of each year but anticipated significant reduction in the historic dividend rate due to our status as an institution with total assets of greater than $10 billion.

From an asset 2quality perspective, we do not see any major headwinds on a horizon. We continue to expect the net reduction from Durbin mandated impacts on debit interchange revenues beginning in July of 2018 and approximately $12 million to $13 million annually for an estimated $6 million to $6.5 million in the second half of 2018.

However, we do expect continue to organically grow our non-banking segments during the balance of 2018 that may modestly offset portion of the Durbin impact.

And finally, although winter-like weather has come around a bit longer in the Northeast than we hoped, we’re beginning to experience a pickup on a residential mortgage application volume and consumer indirect loan originations and the business loan pipeline remain solid.

In summary, we believe, we remain very well position from both the capital and operational perspective in the remainder of 2018 and beyond. As Mark mentioned look forward to continued execute on future acquired [organic] improvement opportunities. I’ll now turn it back to Lauren to open the line for questions..

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] We’ll take our first question from Alex Twerdahl with Sandler O’Neill..

Alex Twerdahl

Just wanted to drill on something you said at the beginning of the call, Mark you said that balance sheet growth will be a priority for 2018, can you just elaborate on that a little bit, is that primarily loan growth that you are referring to or are there some other strategies you guys have in mind to try to put a little bit more cash flow to work on gross margin..

Mark Tryniski

Good question.

Loan growth Alex, we’ve -- the last trailing whatever three quarters or something we haven’t had growth I think we had net outflows as they come in last quarter we’ve seen in the last several quarters an unusual level of paid on activity, and do not have to get into the first quarter, $38 million including one credit that was 18 million where the business was sold.

So, the pipeline was strong, the underlying market opportunities are not there, so we’ll continue to execute on that, I am not worried about where the remainder of the year is going to be at all, I think as I said our -- at the end of the year our commercial pipeline is 240 million, right now it sits at 305 million at the end of the first quarter, so it’s really not for a lack of effort engagement in the markets, nor a shortage of market opportunities, it’s really the impact of these significant unscheduled pay downs, the mortgage pipeline is picking up, it was 80 million at the end of the year, it’s now 100 million, our market is usually pretty stable, it’s relatively easy to predict where the kind of mortgage production is going to be.

The increase in rates in the mortgage market hasn't seemed to have really tapped demand in any real degree that we've been able to like will be filed on the mortgage side and it’s always at the top first quarter on the mortgage side for obvious reasons for us, so I think we’ll have a pretty good year in mortgage.

Indirect we’re already up in indirect and kind of the car selling season has started, as we talked about previously we have some level traded off volumes for rates because the spreads, the returns on that business just got below what our expected thresholds needs to be, so we may trade up a little bit of volume for rates, but we would expect to see in any event some growth in that, net portfolio as we had the business reason for mortgages.

The other -- I didn’t necessarily mean it, in my comment I referred to the balance sheet growth but if you look at the yield curve right now, it’s pretty flat from [indiscernible] and our portfolio yield has trended down. I think this quarter it was 260 something or 250, which has trended down generally as rates have fallen over several years.

We are now at a point where high quality MDS and the spreads are getting to the point better than the tenure. So, I think we’ve for the last year several years have generally let our mortgage investment portfolio run off a little bit, just not reinvesting cash flow which is one of the reasons we have a fairly high fed fund sold position currently.

But the interest rates, recent interest rates, there may be an opportunity for us to redeploy some of those cash flows that are running off from the investment portfolio back into the same portfolio at above 3% as opposed to fed funds sold at half of that.

So that just really mean that and I was referring in my comments to loan growth, well but just kind of relative to where we see the securities market right now as well..

Alex Twerdahl

Okay, that sounds very good. Additional information there. And then I just wanted to make sure that there’s nothing that I am thinking to get my model, you gave some great color on what’s going on with the fee revenue, the non-interest income stuff.

Other than Durbin which we know kicked in starting in the third quarter, did the first quarter, it was -- is this kind of the new base that we should be thinking of in terms of some of these line items or was there some more seasonality that we should be really aware of as we go into the second quarter for things like deposit service fees and wealth management and employee benefit services?.

Mark Tryniski

I’d say the non-banking business revenues are generally less seasonal than banking activities. The deposit fees revenues can be somewhat seasonal which is lower in the first quarter and summer time they are better than in the end of year Christmas season, a little better again.

So, there’s some seasonality in that the non-banking businesses, particularly the benefits businesses and the wealth management businesses, really a lot seasonable at all, the insurance businesses but that’s the smaller component of our mandating businesses.

So, it doesn’t move the needle as much but that sets to be more volatile not really seasonal, it’s just function of when premiums are written and you got the contingency commission from the carriers then in the second quarter.

So that has been a little bit more varied throughout the year, it is seasonal as much as the variability in the timing of revenues there. But again, that’s a smaller component really wouldn’t move the needle at all.

So, I would expect that by the end of the year the rental rate on our other non-banking businesses will be greater than they are right now..

Operator

We will take our next question from Brody Preston with Piper Jaffray. .

Brody Preston

Yes, so I guess just going back to the margin real quick.

Did I hear you say that the margin will be similar to the first quarter moving forward?.

Joe Sutaris

Yes, this is Joe. I will take that question. Our basic core market when we sort of takeaway the impacts of the purchase loan accretion and the [FRB] dividend that mid-360s range, 365, 366. When you factor in, this is the purchase loan accretion, we tend to get up a little bit over the 370 level.

And I think that’s indicative of at least the future course.

With that said, there is some color maybe I could offer relative to some of the asset portfolio, which as Mark mentioned, the investment securities opportunities are a little bit better today than they were in the last few quarters with the 10-year hitting 3% and the 5-year just slightly less than that and some mortgage backed security opportunities.

So even though, it’s a relatively big shift so to speak to move at least the new rates are better than the existing book yields. Relative to the loan portfolios, we have begun to sort of witness increases in the new rates, new loans going on relative to what has been running off.

Although marginally and we’ll continue to have some competitive challenges with the fully pass along some of the increase in the market rates to our borrowers. But we have seen slight uptake in the consumer and the mortgage portfolios. But again, that’s a big shift to turnaround relative to the existing portfolios and the marginal business.

And we’re also an overnight, say our funds position have been where most of the first quarter and actually with an uptick in the fed funds rate, that gives us some marginal opportunity just from a cash and overnight position.

So, we think, the 370-range all-in is fair, but there are some of the opportunities we have conversely, our deposit beta has remained at zero. We expect continued challenges over the next few quarters, it’s going to be difficult to maintain that at zero.

So, they potentially could offset some of the uptick that we’re going to potentially stand on the asset portfolios. .

Brody Preston

And with regard to the FRB dividend, you said it will be significantly lower.

Is that like half, how should we be thinking about that?.

Mark Tryniski

Yes. I think that’s a reasonable expectation for that dividend. That was sort of a situation where we contribute to our second and fourth quarter margin run rate. The effect of that dividend is going to be much reduced going forward, because it now becomes a more nominal part of the total margin equation.

So all-in, that’s expected to contribute about effectively on an annualized basis point in the total margin. .

Brody Preston

And then I guess, maybe if you guys could speak to sort of the capital dynamic. I know, you said you expect growth to pick back up throughout the rest of the year and you’re focusing on balance sheet growth through launch primarily, but also maybe through some securities.

But just given the slower growth nature of your markets, I’m assuming the capital is going to continue building.

And I wanted to get a sense of where you thought the best incremental dollar of excess capital was to put to work like, where do you think you should best deploy capital moving forward, be that increased dividend or M&A?.

Joseph Sutaris Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer & Treasurer

Fair question.

My ideal preference would to be use this for growth of our business, loan growth by nearly organic growth opportunities, whatever they like be, we are still using capital, so that means principally lending and potentially investment securities, but clearly an incremental dollar of excess capital, rather put to work in credit, we -- because of our low growth markets we accumulate even after a dividend which is about half of our earnings, we still accumulate capital at a fairly rapid pace, certainly in excess of what we need to capitalize organic growth, so historically and I think necessarily for us strategically we have always looked at high value M&A opportunities in the banking space as well as the non-banking space to grow those non-banking fee based businesses through M&A and I think that that will be a strategy that we’ll continue.

So, I think certainly if you look at the run rate of our business in terms of GAAP earnings and the adjusted earnings that we include in the back of the press release which we look at as proxy for cash based earnings, to get up over 30% in terms of the run rate over last year, so we’re accumulating capital right now, at a pace that we haven’t hereto foreseen.

So it will be incumbent upon us to continue to assess most effective and beneficial ways to deploy that capital for the benefit of shareholders, clearly the most profitable thing you can do is reinvest it in your own business, I would say secondarily investing in other peoples’ businesses and then lastly I would say buying back shares I don’t think our shareholders expect us to deploy capital in a way that creates greater earnings, greater dividend capacity, so buying back shares although I understand why some companies do that helping our shareholders expect us to do that the way to optimize returns over time either, so I think this trend will continue as it has for the recent past..

Brody Preston

And just one more I guess with regard to M&A are you seeing more opportunities come to the table on the banking front or are you continuing to see more fee income opportunities in the near future?.

Mark Tryniski

I would say on the banking side it’s pretty similar to how it's been post credit prices in the last 8 years, 9 years, spent off the same in terms of the pace for us, we’re also reasonably constrained in terms of our geography, we are not -- it’s not our strategy to go substantially out of market, so that in some respect constrains our focus on New England, Upstate New York, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Ohio, so I would say the opportunities are similar, we continue to have dialogue with other institutions that we think would be high value partners to us, we continue to get inbound opportunities for consideration as well and so the pace really is similar I would say to where has been on banking side.

On the non-banking side, that’s the area where the private equities become much more engaged and where the trillion dollars of liquidity on investment by private equity -- participation by strategic buyers in the invest banking space is getting us more difficult and more aggressive.

I think our strategy there has been to seek out opportunities where we have our benefits businesses is a national business. We’ve got great leadership. I think we’ve got some visibility in the -- in that market nationally.

And so, there are opportunities, we usually get a look at those, results of those, similar to the banking where we engage someone else because of a what we perceive is a high value partner.

So, we will continue to be active in both of those spaces I think on the banking side the price expectation, sellers, they’ve gotten high in many instances by at least the way we approach M&A it’s obviously the same on the non-banking space because of the active engagement of the private equity, we have different models and different capacity of the strategic buyer.

But we will continue to be engaged in both of those spaces. .

Operator

And we will our next question from Russell Gunther with D.A. Davidson..

Russell Gunther

Just want to follow up on some of the loan commentary that you’ve made. I appreciate the color there. I’m wondering if you could just hone down a little bit into your Merchants footprint. We talked a little bit last quarter about the dynamics there, the intended run off and rebuilding of that pipeline.

Just curious if we could get an update on your outlook going forward?.

Mark Tryniski

Sure. We had a tough first quarter in the Merchants markets mainly because of the early paid down of the one single large pay down referred to as the Merchants that again pulled others as well. So, the majority of those unscheduled paydowns were in the Merchants marketplace. There continues to be puts and takes.

We are slowly rebuilding the pipeline there. We are getting some really high quality looks and opportunities. But we are still facing the fact that when we got those folks on board there was virtually no pipeline but we are getting back there. It’s building. We are getting opportunities.

We have over the course of the last 10 months, nine months a bit more run off than what we hoped but I think its moderated. Other than the non-scheduled payoffs this quarter which came primarily again from the Merchants marketplace I think we are doing a better job there and we are building the pipeline. .

Russell Gunther

And then my last question just a follow up to the M&A discussion.

Given the growth dynamics as well as your very clear funding advantage, would you characterize your appetite for deposits or M&A as more biased towards something that would be a bit more of a growth opportunity for you?.

Mark Tryniski

I think our focus as it relates to M&A versus the high-quality franchisees that we think have the opportunity to grow earnings and dividend capacity in a sustainable fashion. That’s the first lesson. So, we are principally looking for deposit franchises, credit franchises.

Although certainly, Merchants was extremely attractive, because of the high-quality commercial credit franchise that they had and the fact that there are markets particularly in Chittenden County were more economically dynamic than the average of the remainder of our markets.

But the challenge has been looking at some institutions is, it relates to the deposit franchise, because we have a very high quality, long duration, low costs, stable funding base. And we look at other institutions and they have a different model.

We’ve always invested a great deal of management leadership time and effort into our retail banking franchise for this exact reason. And other banks have different models, where the focus on credit side and they just raise rates to the point where they need to fund the loan growth. And so that’s a different model for us.

So, it gets to be a challenge when we’re looking at another institution that has 60 basis points of funding costs and the dilution to our deposit base gets to be a challenge. But we typically, because we’re having very high quality, low costs, stable long duration funding base. We typically don’t see that necessarily in a partner.

Again, it’s a function of the overall quality and reliability that we would have the confidence that we would have in that franchise to integrate well with us, integrate well with our business model, integrating well with our culture and ultimately have the ability to generate growing earnings and dividend capacity into the future.

One of the things we’ve done, as you know, over the years, we require a fair number of branches in branch transitions from mostly larger banks. In the last 10 years, we’ve probably done 6 of them. Frankly, that’s something, we will continue to look at the fact that we don’t need deposit funding.

And there would be at this juncture a reasonable challenge about how you invest the whole liquidity, particularly to franchise with lower growth. But those branch transactions, you’re buying customer relationships. So, which are really valuable, kind of the tax structure, those transactions is very favorable. There’s a lot of other banks.

So, despite the fact that we don’t need more good core funding, although we can always use as much you get. We would still look at, we would look at retail franchisees in the event that some of the big banks would be interest in disposing. And I know some have over the years, BMA, Key, Citizens.

I heard discussions of, I think Wells Fargo has already started some disposition. So, we would look at that as well..

Operator

And there’re no further questions at this time. I’d like to turn the conference back to our presenters for any additional or closing remarks..

Mark Tryniski

Thank you, Lauren, that’s it, thank you all for joining the call and we look forward to speaking with you again after the second quarter. Thank you..

Operator

And that does conclude today’s conference. We thank you for your participation..

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