Michael Brown - Executive Director, Investor Relations Jeff Brown - Chief Executive Officer Chris Halmy - Chief Financial Officer.
Kevin St. Pierre - Sanford Bernstein Eric Beardsley - Goldman Sachs Chris Donat - Sandler O'Neill Sanjay Sakhrani - KBW Cheryl Pate - Morgan Stanley John Hecht - Jefferies Ken Bruce - Bank of America Don Fandetti - Citigroup David Ho - Deutsche Bank.
Good day, ladies and gentlemen. And welcome to the First Quarter 2015 Ally Financial Earnings Conference Call. My name is Katrina, and I'll be your coordinator for today. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode. Later, we will facilitate a question-and-answer session.
[Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded for replay purposes. I would now like to turn the presentation over to your host for today’s call, Mr. Michael Brown, Executive Director of Investor Relations. Please proceed..
Thanks, Katrina. And thank you everyone for joining us as we review Ally Financial's first quarter 2015 results. You can find the presentation we'll reference during the call on the Investor Relations section of our website, ally.com.
I'd like to direct your attention to the second slide of today's presentation regarding forward-looking statements and risk factors. The content of our conference call will be governed by this language. This morning, our CEO, Jeff Brown; and our CFO, Chris Halmy, will cover the first quarter results.
We'll also have some time set aside for Q&A at the end. Now, I'd like to turn the call over to Jeff Brown..
Thanks, Michael. Good morning and thank you for joining us. Before we get into the details for the quarter, which I believe are pretty off the chart by the way. I want to highlight several key messages on slide #3. These are the guiding principles for our company.
You'll hear a lot about these today and as we move for forward throughout the remainder of the year. First, I recognized there have been a lot of questions about our reliance on key manufacture relationships and whether auto would be a growth business or not.
Today's results show we are growing and diversifying within our auto finance franchise and I have full expectations this will continue. This is a business I have run for the company and I know we have the best people and platform in the industry.
The business is succeeding by growing dealer relationships, penetrating deeper with our existing dealer base and originating a more diversified loan mix even as our lease portfolio declines. Success we delivered in the first quarter was not by accident.
Our auto team worked with a heightened sense of urgency and quite frankly, did a phenomenal job responding to changes in the business environment in the effect of loss of leasing in GM channel. If anything I think the GM dealers found more satisfaction by our expanded approach to help them capture volumes outside of lease.
We also took steps with the manufacturers to ensure they know we want to help them sell more cars too. My hope is we don't constantly fight the headline noise any longer. I'm very supportive of GM at both the dealer and manufacturer level, and I am supportive of a lot more nameplates too.
The primary goal is to simply be a great finance and service provider. Second, we will expand our franchise to drive long-term growth. We have a tremendous foundation in the auto platform, deposit platform, but also with the customer base, a re-energized associate base and ever more recognizable and powerful brand.
I see a lot of untapped potential, a lot of this is about driving a One Ally approach. Third, improving shareholder returns. We made nice strides and return to solid profitability, but we are focused on a number of the additional efficiency opportunities that can drive real value.
Capturing those efficiencies then provides prospects for reinvestment into the future, all with the focus on expanding shareholder value through time. In addition to expanding the franchise, the CCAR results in March should validate we have the opportunity to redeploy capital in ways that will drive shareholder value creation.
So I'm excited about what I see at the company and I believe we have the ingredients to be a better financial services company for our customers, our shareholders and our associates. Now on slide #4, let’s turn to the quarter.
From a GAAP perspective, we had net income of $576 million and EPS $1.06, which have the additional benefit of our China JV sale. Core pretax income of $490 million was a highest since going public. Adjusted EPS of $0.52 a share was up 53% from first quarter 2014.
Auto originations of $9.8 billion were up $650 million year-over-year despite the decline of the GM lease business. And if you strip out GM leases, originations were up 27% year-over-year, driven by 54% increase in our growth channel originations. Yesterday, we also announced the new preferred lending arrangement with Mitsubishi.
This is a great incremental piece to the business and we believe demonstrates the value proposition that we bring to all dealers and manufacturers, and help them improve their sales. We will purchase an onboard in the neighborhood of $1 billion in assets as part of the deal. It is a great conquest for us but there's more out there.
On the deposit side it’s also phenomenal quarter. We added over 45,000 new deposit customers and exceeded our expectations with 2.7 billion of deposit growth quarter-over-quarter. And as I mentioned, we received the non-objection to CCAR results, which I can promise you every bank celebrates with that result.
Chris will highlight the specific near-term actions we are taking in normalizing the capital structure and ones we are done with the pervert instruments we will look at buying back stock and paying a dividend in the future to drive additional shareholder returns.
Let’s look at some of the stats behind the auto finance franchise performance for the quarter on slide #5. Starting in the top left, note the accelerated momentum from the diversification process we started years ago.
Our concentration and exposure to manufacturer incentivized products has decline materially and we continue to have significant success in the marketplace winning business by serving dealers and customers.
Underpinning that success is the increase we've seen in our growth channel shown in the top right where we’ve grown significantly over the past two years and we are up 54% from the first quarter of 2014. We are sourcing more applications from a broader universe of dealer relationships and driving improved penetration from these dealer customers.
That dynamic is seen in the chart in the bottom right. Over the past two years we've established 1,400 additional growth dealer relationships.
We are getting better engagement and pull-through at those dealers, as we double the percentage where we buy more than five contracts per month from 13% to 26% over the past two years, but there are still an opportunity to do more.
Our market share is still behind our biggest competitors and our job is to continue to get deeper penetration that individual dealers, as well as increase our presence in some brand channels, but all in, the auto franchise is doing great. Let’s talk about our customers on slide #6.
On our February call, we talked about our customer base and getting more out of the existing engine. First, we have a growing set of over 17,000 dealer customers, many of which are newer and do less business with us right now. Second, we have 4.4 million individual auto customers. We service these loans.
We send them monthly statements, but that's really about all. We don't currently offer them anymore products or services. Great banks find ways to get more out of these customer relationships.
Looking at our growing application flow, we sourced 2.5 million apps in the first quarter for run rate of $10 million annually, but we are only booking around 15% of those books. Can we capture more of these customers is a key question we’ve got to address. And on the deposit side, we have over 950,000 deposit customers and growing rapidly.
We do a great job of providing these folks with attractive deposit products and providing great customer service, but we don't offer them any additional products or services that could drive revenue growth. There's a lot of untapped potential there as well.
And from a pure deposit customer lens, Millennials may always look the most attractive but from an Ally customer lens, you can deliver a very different return profile. So this again is opportunity. So what are we going to do to tap into this customer base to drive long-term growth.
We know we have to provide more definition around that over time but let me share some of our vision for franchise expansion on slide seven. We have a great foundation as a company. In addition to the leading auto platform, I talked about, we have a leading brand in retail banking.
Money magazine has called us the best online bank for four years in a row. We have an online platform driven by technology that is built for scale. And we are nationwide not confined to any physical or geographical area. We have a growing and attractive customer base that I just talked about.
We don't have the same historic branch overhead that the other banks do. Not to say that branch banking is going away anytime soon but we think we can be more nimble and flexible given our operational efficiency. And finally, we've established a culture of innovation and superior customer experience.
For those that know us, you know that has been the focus from day one of building our Ally Bank. Today bank customers want transparency and they want to be treated well. That plays right into our wheelhouse and positions us well for the future of retail banking.
So we need to build out on this foundation and establish a runway for adding more products and services over time to provide steady growth. And as we explore opportunities, we’ll do it in a thoughtful way, in a way that is focused on prudent credit, capital and risk management.
We’re having very active internal discussions and you'll be hearing more about this from us later in 2015. And with that, I’ll turn it to Chris to talk more about the financial results..
continued consumer asset growth and pretty consistent commercial balances. And let’s turn to insurance on slide 18, which reported pre-tax income of $78 million for the quarter. We continued to see vehicle service contract losses coming down, which is the main driver of the year-over-year favorability.
Lower floorplan inventory levels impacted premiums earned on a quarter-over-quarter basis and written premiums in the quarter totaled $239 million, down slightly both year-over-year and quarter-over-quarter. This was driven by the commercial side, as we've been proactively managing our risks in higher weather loss areas.
Over on slide 19, we show results for both Mortgages, as well as our Corporate and Other segment. Mortgage reported pre-tax income of $69 million, up both year-over-year and quarter-over-quarter, driven by the sale of the TDR loans, which had a carry value of around $470 million, as well as some additional reserve releases this quarter.
The Mortgage investment portfolio was up slightly this quarter, as we purchased some additional high FICO jumbo loans to offset amortization in the book and the TDR sale. Again, this is just part of our standard balance sheet management process.
Looking at Corporate and Other, you can see that we had a pretax gain of $12 million, which has improved significantly year-over-year. Results in this segment were primarily driven by improved performance in our investment portfolio, reduction in our cost of funds and further reduction of our expense base.
So overall, we had a really great quarter and a great start to 2015. So with that, I will turn it back to JB to wrap up..
Thanks, Chris. So just to wrap up very briefly, we think this was a great quarter to leadoff and has really set the tone for 2015. The auto business is demonstrating its strength and successfully diversifying to offset the decline in lease and drive the business forward.
Our deposit base continues to grow nicely with 45,000 new customers added in the quarter. We had a strong quarter from a financial perspective. We are continuing to prove our earnings potential as we address capital structure and drive towards our year-end financial targets. And we are focused on positioning the company for steady long-term growth.
I’d just say Auto Finance is always going to be the heart of Ally. But I do believe there are smart ways we can get more out of the existing customer base and platform. So, we feel very excited about the opportunities that lie ahead. And with that, we are happy to take questions. So, Michael, I will turn it back to you..
Thanks. Katrina, we are ready to take questions from analysts. If you could just remind everyone how to queue up to ask a question..
Absolutely. Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from the line of Kevin St. Pierre, representing Sanford Bernstein. Please proceed..
Question for you that I frequently get about your potential growth outside of GM.
Can you talk specifically, tactically, how you're taking share and how you're gaining that non-GM or in the non-subvented businesses? Is it prices, is it the product offering, maybe a bit more tactical on how you're gaining share?.
Kevin, thanks. It’s JB. I will take a stab at the question. I guess for us, particularly as we think about capital deployment and the lease book beginning to come off, we booked about a $1 billion in lease this quarter. We wanted to continue putting capital to work in the auto business.
And so for us, it starts with the message to my team and my troops that we got to go out and get more aggressive with the dealers. Obviously, you can see significant uptick in just pure application flow. I think over the past four quarters combined, we’ve don't about 9.5 million, 9.6 million applications.
As we pointed out today, we are kind on pace for 10 million. So part of it is just, you are getting more looks at the business. You're getting our sales team more focused and going ask the dealers for more and it’s not just coming from the growth channel. I mean, we obviously have strong results there, up 54%.
But I think we also saw a rebound and what we did in the Chrysler channel as well. I think we booked about $2 billion in originations this quarter in Chrysler. So it's really -- it’s a combination, but I think we've got great teammates out there in the field. The dealers really respond to our model. They like that we’re kind of full-service.
We’re a broad spectrum of credit. While we’re not doing any of the deep subprime, I mean we have widened the buy box a little bit, and I think that’s just resonating and it’s enabling us to get more flow. So it’s really a combination of all the above..
Great. And just separately, it’s good to see you focus a bit and tap the bank results a bit more this quarter. You have had really solid deposit and customer growth.
Can you share with us any competitive metrics or -- in terms of how your share is trending versus other direct deposit gatherers, other competitors in the channel?.
Yes. I mean, this is Chris. Today, we are performing great, I would say against our competitors and particularly lot of the online banks. And you’re seeing some of the online banks really compete a lot out there from a price perspective.
Given the investment that we made in Ally brand over the years and recognition today that we have in the market, we've been able to compete really from a service perspective and not have to be the highest price out there.
That's really helped us from a cost of funds perspective and it’s helped us really capture additional share within the deposit space. We're reaching a great point where the brand is starting to carry itself a lot without necessarily competing from a price perspective.
So I would say that we are seeing our share of growth greater than a lot of our competitors and we’re doing that based on the brand at service..
Yes. The only thing I would add, Kevin, is maybe to tie to one of the points Chris made earlier is. I mean, for us, we continue to produce solid asset growth every quarter. We want to book more of those assets inside of Ally Bank and we are basically underutilizing the bank today. So for us, we have appetite for the deposit growth.
We have appetite for the customer growth. We are seeing that. And I think that provides for us as we think long-term how do we get more of those assets into the bank. That’s 68% going to 99% represents a pretty massive financial opportunity. It’s not going to be cracked overnight, but I think through time that's a big opportunity for shareholders..
Great. Thanks very much..
You got it. Thank you..
The next question comes from the line of Eric Beardsley representing Goldman Sachs. Please proceed..
Hi, thank you.
Just on the point in terms of your ability to transition from funding some loans at the parent to the bank, how much excess liquidity do you have at the parent today and how much do you expect to generate there over the next year?.
What I would say is the liquidity at the holding company is really where we needed to be today. That’s come down over time particularly given that our unsecured debt profile has come down. So we face less maturities as we move forward.
From our perspective, as we move assets into the bank, the real opportunity is that we can avoid having to go to the unsecured debt markets in the future to really acquire incremental liquidity. So I don't think about it as having excess liquidity at one place over the other.
I think about it as really shifting the focus from the holding company to the bank and therefore the holding company does not have the need really to go to the capital markets to fund itself at higher rates..
Got it.
So in terms of your ability to pay down unsecured debt other than your contractual maturities, how does that outlook look over the next year?.
We received -- you saw in the capital plan that we did receive some ability to continue on the liability management structure to buy out some high cost debt. So that’s something that we will continue in 2015 as well.
We also have some big debt maturities even coming in the second quarter of 2015 and most of our debt maturities will not be refinanced in the capital markets. So that's a real positive and another driver of continued cost of funds improvement.
Having said that, when we do take out capital instruments, we expect as we take out those capital instruments we need to replace that liquidity. So we will be present in the unsecured debt markets, but really not to roll over maturities as much as to replace capital..
Okay. Great. And then just lastly, how should we think about the sustainability of the investment gains you have been booking? It's been pretty stable around the $50 million level.
Are those fixed income or equity gains? And where could we see that go over the next year?.
Yes. I mean, majority of those have been -- equity gains coming from our insurance portfolio and we have been pretty consistent over the last few years to book pretty healthy gains there. And we feel pretty comfortable that that will continue.
We periodically will take gains on debt side, particularly when we see moves in interest rates that we think are a bit overdone. And to the extent that the volatility I would say in the interest rate market continues, we will continue to take advantage of that.
If we don’t book the gains however, keep in mind that the debt securities just remain on our books. It will really flow with the -- into the net financing revenue. So I look at it both as an offset either to net financing revenue or to other revenue. So I do think that the sustainability was there..
Great. Sorry, just one quick question.
In terms of the diversification opportunities as you look at expanding the franchise, how do you expect that to impact your controllable expenses moving forward? And is this more of a build versus buy strategy?.
Yes. I mean, one of the things we are seeing obviously is that expenses overall for the company are coming down and my expectation is that they will continue to come down. We will redeploy some of those expenses however in some of the growth initiatives through real investment.
Some of that comes from a people perspective, some of that comes from a technology perspective, but overall what you should think about is that we are on track for our expense reductions and I expect that will continue throughout the year..
Great. Thank you..
Thanks, Eric..
Your next question comes from the line of Chris Donat representing Sandler O'Neill. Please proceed..
Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. I Wanted to ask first on Chris’ comment about 12% of the originations be nonprime in the quarter.
Can you give us some color on which channels that’s coming through? Should I assume that that’s mostly on the used side or is it spread across your originations?.
Yes. I mean, it’s coming from both, but I would say that it does get skew towards the used side of the channel where you tend to see more of the nonprime originations, but it’s coming across all channels..
Okay.
And then just to be clear, you’re not stretching down to the bottom rungs of subprime, you’re pretty much near prime right?.
Yes. We are still really focusing on the top end of the spectrum where majority of the loans in a nonprime booked at that really get are originated between the 580 and 625 goes correct..
Obviously, you got to again keep it in light of what’s going on with the decline or the expected decline in the lease portfolio, so we booked about a 1.1 billion in leases this quarter and the lease book, I think it amortized down about 500 million, but you will see that amortized fairly quickly over the next 2.5, 3 years.
And so for us, we don’t think at all there is a risk-on trade. We think it’s redeployment of capital and the risk taking in the company. And I think as Chris pointed out, relatively to our peers and relative even to the overall market, we had been kind of underserved in what we are doing in nonprime.
So I think this is just another step forward in natural expansion..
Got it. Thanks, JB.
And to follow up on that and some things you said back in January, maybe to put a number on it, with 12% of your originations being nonprime, is there -- do you have a goal of getting to say 20% or 25%, or do you have a goal out there that you want to share?.
I mean, I think, it’s still a little early to have a fine-tune goal, but I would say I was happy and pleased with the progress we made this quarter. I think there is still little more room to run. And for us, I mean, we just got to make sure we are capturing good and profitable loans.
And if we feel good about the risk return dynamic or the loans we’re booking, we are going to continue to book them. And we will obviously balance out in perspective of kind of what we think is going on the macro environment, but we are well experienced with nonprime lending.
As you pointed out, we are or as you asked, we are concentrating more on the near prime sector. So we’re staying out at deep subprime lending. So as long as we can price appropriate for the risk, we will continue to be booking loans..
Got it. Okay. Thanks very much..
You got it. Thank you, Chris..
The next question comes from the line of Sanjay Sakhrani representing KBW. Please proceed..
Hey, Sanjay..
Thank you. I guess, first question is, obviously, the headwinds from GM loss will increase over the year.
Is the expectation to turn up the dial a little bit on these other growth channels that are doing well?.
Yeah. I mean, I think, that’s, Sanjay, it should be, I mean, I think that’s exactly what happened. I mean, I think, as we showed in the deck, I mean, really lease we booked basically a $1.1 billion of GM lease in the quarter. You should expect that to basically be zero going forward. I mean, we’re effectively done there.
And I think strategy that we have -- the numbers we’re doing in the growth channel pretty impressive, up 54% year-over-year. I think you should expect those types of gains in the near-term and we’ll continue to make progress on what we’re doing in the diversified channel.
So, for us, we sort of just looked pass the loss of the leasing business and focused on taking care of our dealers and making sure our dealers understood we want more of their overall business. And so, I think from a headline perspective, we’re still very comfortable staying, we’re going to be in the upper $30 billions of origination.
Obviously, Mitsubishi is going to help, we -- while we’re going to onboard, roughly about a $1 billion between retail and floorplan. It’s an incremental kind of $500 million, $600 million of originations that we will do the rest of this year. So there is a number of offsets we have where I’m not really bothered by.
And I think as you get into one of the charts that was in the deck. I mean, you really see the incentivized volumes were doing today, I think are roughly 5% of the origination flow. So there’s only so much more that could really happen. I think that was on slide 17. But today it’s really, we’re all out competing with the market.
We think the franchise is doing quite well..
Okay.
And then just a follow-up, obviously, there's some assets in the market for sale and you mentioned that, you are open to expansion into other areas, maybe you could just flesh out that discussion a little bit more? And then maybe, Chris, could just comment on whether or not if you were to go out and buy something organically that would impair or impede some of the progress you could make on capital management? Thank you..
Sure. You got it, Sanjay. I mean, I think, our primary focus right now is continue being to build on existing strengths and pursuing opportunities that to do more with our existing customer base and obviously, growing customer base. So I still think there are number of opportunities in-house.
If we were to consider any type of acquisition in the future, it would have to be something that would strategically fit with kind of overall core competencies and further drive shareholder value. I am not all that focused on any type of major diversification strategy at this point in time.
I mean, I think, again, we’ve done a great franchise, we got great customers, we got all the trends that I would do want to have. And so for me, if there are adjacencies that we could add on to the model, maybe we would consider that, but really no specific actions are on the horizon at this point in time.
But, obviously, as CEO, you’ve got to stay open. You’ve got to look at things as they presented to you..
Yeah. And Sanjay, I think, from a capital perspective, we’re obviously very comfortable with where our capital levels really stand. When CCAR was announced and our results came out, we had a pretty sizable cushion with those results.
We’re going to continue on our plan that was approved for the year but to the extent there are opportunities in the market to grow our balance sheet elsewhere. We’re comfortable redeploying some of that capital.
And obviously, any of those conversations would have to really be had with our regulators around what the right level of capital would be for the institution. But right now, we feel pretty comfortable with excess capital levels..
Great. Thank you..
Thanks, Sanjay..
Your next question comes from the line of Cheryl Pate representing Morgan Stanley. Please proceed..
Hi. Good morning..
Good morning..
Just a couple questions, first on the deposit opportunity, I know one of the things that we have talked about for some time is, building out more of the low cost or low cost checking opportunity? Just wondered if you could sort of give us an update on maybe how that growth is going relative to the other products and through the opportunity on cost of funds improvement, perhaps, within the deposit channel specifically?.
Yeah. I mean, the checking product is not a very big product for us. And it tends to be a very -- what I would call, expensive product for us as well and tends to attract what I would call, transactors that using drive up from a fee perspective.
Now having said that we like to have the checking product from a stickiness perspective and it continues to grow but I would say that it’s not really our largest focus.
From a cost of fund’s perspective, the big opportunity we think is that when the rate start to rise that we’re able to really lag even what we have planned in our interest rate sensitivity model.
So the opportunity on the cost of funds will be during a rising rate interest -- rising rate environment we’ll be able to really get a cost advantage over lot of the finance companies that really sit out there today..
Just to follow up on that point, I know in the past we've talked about some liability sensitivity initially, but as you continue to grow the deposit franchise and clearly have ability to sort of lag rate increases, can you maybe talk to how that rate sensitivity maybe changing?.
Yeah. So it’s -- great question, which is -- and there’s been a little bit of a change in this quarter where one of the unique aspects of our interest rate risk sensitivity is that we have a lot of floorplan deals that were on primary floors and that created a liability sensitive posture within the book.
One of things we started doing in a more aggressive way during the quarter is to take people off of the primary floor and put them on to LIBOR. And while that has created a little bit of margin compressor in the deal floorplan book. In the short term, what it’s doing is its making us much more asset sensitive.
So our overall position remains in a liability sensitive position. But it’s a lot less this quarter than it was in the past. And I would expect that would continue. So one of the overall posture is as we get closer now to a Fed move, you should start seeing that our balance sheet will become more asset sensitive over time..
And Cheryl, we’ve given up -- on the dealer floorplan side, we’ve given up a touch on margin in the short term as we move accounts to LIBOR.
And I think it’s -- we’re approaching 55%, 60% of the book is now moving to LIBOR index, costlier little bit today but I think to the point what -- at some point and I guess, it’s still now debatable whether it’s going to happen in the back half of this year. We are going to see the Fed move rates upward.
And I think it’s going to lead to a much better position on the way up than where we sat previously..
Great. Thank you very much..
You got it. Thanks Cheryl..
Your next question comes from the line of John Hecht representing Jefferies. Please proceed..
Morning guys. Thanks for taking my questions. Just with respect to the kind of the yields that are running off from the leasing portfolio versus the yields you are putting on as you redeploy that into near prime and increased composition of used cars.
Can you give us a sense for what those yields are that are running off that you are putting on?.
Yeah. I mean today the lease book is running, it was 5.7% for the quarter and that that includes what I would call some strong used car prices, which is -- which obviously fuel some of the gains. The new yields we are putting on are about 5.5%. So the yields are pretty stable today from the lease running off to the new business that's coming on.
I would point out, however, that when you put a retail loan on, you also need to really post the provision. So from that aspect -- from a day one aspect, it’s less profitable. But over time, you obviously don't have to deal with the huge cost volatility and the volatility really in the residual values of the leases.
So we feel pretty good that the profitability of the new business is offsetting the leases that are running off..
Okay. That's good color. And then the -- I think in three core Q3 ‘14, you guys put out some expectations for kind of residual values and as you step through the next couple of years.
Is there any change to that or are you still pretty comfortable with that trajectory?.
The trajectory stays the same which is we expect a continued softening of used car prices over time. And we will call in a 5% or 6% year over the next couple of years.
But having said that even the projections we put on the third quarter of last year, we’ve exceeded those expectations meaning the prices are running higher today than we had originally modeled. But we do expect that to continue to come off over time at a pretty similar rate..
Okay. Okay. And then I had a question as you guys had some elevated insurance expenses that were weather related last second quarter.
And I wonder if you can just give us some metric order commentary and kind of how the weather has stacked up so far this quarter?.
Yeah. What I would say is that last year was a record year of losses. So second quarter of 2014 was the worst losses that we’ve ever experienced. Now having said that, we forecast to have pretty healthy losses within the second quarter in that book.
And as you're seeing on your local news, we are seeing some tornadoes and hail storms already starting in April. So we are seeing some losses. I would say they are today on expectations but we’ll see how the quarter goes. It’s very unpredictable..
Okay. Thank you very much..
Thanks John..
Your next question comes from the line of Ken Bruce representing Bank of America. Please proceed..
Thanks. Good morning. I’d like to tackle a question that was asked earlier and maybe a little differently. I think as it relates to increasing market share within the -- within the dealer community.
It’s fair if you are expanding your credit base and kind of going out and telling dealers that you are more interested in increasing volume to kind of drive a little bit of that. But I think in the past you’ve kind of suggested that you've got a model that you think is ultimately going to gain share.
And I guess I'd like to better understand how you're thinking that that's working in this environment. I mean I think it’ s easy that everybody has a floorplan program and I think tried and true methods of expanding creditor decrease in price are obviously very effective.
But what you think is kind of working in this market?.
Yeah. I mean, I think your comment on the floorplan book we’ve been running kind of consistently sort of $32 billion, $33billion of floorplan lending. Floorplan lending ends up being sort of the gateway to capture other volumes.
And I think within the floorplan space, we’ve got our bundled dealer rewards offering, which enables us to capture more from the dealers and we also have an incredible service model.
I mean the thing what I consistently hear from our dealers is the way our people understand their business, understand how it works inside the dealership and we enable them to get business done. The auto environment is automated as we like to make it. It often requires a human to help, get a contract closed, get a deal booked.
And so we’ve got great people. We invest in the people, we invest in the technology. So, I think a lot of it is, we dedicate a lot of time and energy towards taking care of our dealer customers. I also think we are engaged with the number of manufacturers on how can we help them with their initiatives of selling more cars.
And I think relative to the growth channel, I mean for us, it was first get inside the dealership and get a look at the business. And I think some of the stats we showed is we are seeing better flow but there's still penetration. I think, of the 10,400 growth dealers, still about 22% of them were only doing applications only.
And we've made progress in all the buckets of how many dealers are giving you 10 or more contracts or 5 to 10. But there’s still a lot of opportunity there and part of that just takes sometime. It takes what the dealers know you are committed, know that you want the business, know that you are going to be a good service provider.
And so, I mean for us, I think there’s been a number of comments this quarter for some of our competitive banks and finance companies would say they felt increased competition and I think we likely drove it. We were more aggressive in the space.
We took some share and we are very proud of that and again, I think that’s going to continue But again, it’s partially a function of -- as that lease book is coming off, we want to continue deploying capital and we went out and got more aggressive.
But I think as Chris pointed out in his remarks, it’s not like we are out really with a different type of risk entree. We were underrepresented in what we're doing in non-prime. We made a few percentage point increases there. We’ll continue to make some increases going forward but still in a very safe spot in the credit curve and with the risk profile.
So, I see a lot of things working that drove the increases in the strength of the relationships with the dealers..
Great, thanks. And then you point out that the used car values have been coming in stronger that you had expected, though you are still anticipating some weakness there on a go-forward basis.
Can you maybe describe what dynamic is supporting the used car values beyond what your expectation was, and what dynamic you think is going to put pressure on them coming forward?.
Yeah. I mean, I think one of the major things that really is helping the used car prices is that there’s a lot of discipline on the new car prices, okay.
So when you see the lower incentives or what I would call more disciplined OEMs out there today in regards to their capture of market share, they are keeping the new car prices pretty, pretty stable or even increasing and that really helps the used car prices.
The dynamic really is from the supply side where we do expect that the -- what I would call robust leasing market over the last couple of years. A lot of those costs will continue to come off now over the next year or two in greater volumes than we've seen in the past. So that should put pressure on the supply side. That will bring prices down..
Yeah. I think on Chris's point to on the manufacturer side, on less incentives in the marketplace too. I mean, affordability is becoming a bigger issue. I mean, average monthly payment on a new acquired loan I think is $483. I mean, so overall consumer debt load is pretty high.
And so that drives a number of consumers who instead of looking at that new car consider a used vehicle that’s more affordable and so it’s part of the reason why you’ve seen some strength in the used values..
Got it. Well, nice to see such good execution in a number of dimensions in the quarter and congratulations on the Mitsubishi win..
Thank you very much, Ken. I appreciate it..
Your next question comes from the line of Don Fandetti representing Citigroup. Please proceed..
Jeff, you had mentioned in your remarks about share repurchase.
Obviously it's early, but is that something that we should think of as more of a 2017 CCAR, or is it a possibility for 2016?.
Yeah. I think Chris and I will both tag team this one. But I think back half of 2016, it is something could be possible. Obviously, some of this depends on how much of G that we could go out and address in the back half of this year. And we are in constant dialogue with the regulators.
Is that something that could actually be done this year, does that have to go in to the first part of 2016? So I think, step one is finish off what we’re going to do on G front and then that affords you the other opportunities of either paying the dividend, share repurchase or the other growth areas of the balance sheet.
You’d rather retain the capital and so something there. So, I think back half of 2016 is probably leaning slightly on the aggressive side but it’s not out of the question..
Just to reiterate what JB said, I think into 2016 CCAR submission, which you remember now is going to be in the second quarter of 2016. We will be contemplating something in that submission..
Yes..
Okay..
The timing will go out for the nine quarters..
Yes.
And then I guess, Jeff, on your comments, so you are saying the remainder of the Gs, you could go back and ask to take those out in 2015, just to be clear?.
I mean, I think, it depends. If we continue to see strong results, continue to have a constructive tone with our regulators, I mean we will remain in dialogue with them. And so I don’t want to say it’s not possible, it’s clearly.
As I look forward and think about what the company needs to get strength and get the stock price moving, get more long only investors into the stock, I mean I think the dividend is something that’s symbolic and important. And so in order to get there, I got to get rid of G. And so I want to get rid of G as soon as I possibly can.
I also think it just simplifies capital structure. And so I will lean on the aggressive push in this area. If it happened this year, great, if it has to go into 2016, then we will deal with it..
Got it. And then one last question. You have said a lot about the commercial floor plan, so I appreciate that. I just wanted to make sure I understand.
Does GM Financial want to do more floor plan? And if so, what is your competitive advantage to defend that business?.
Yes. I mean, look, they -- I’d say ask them, but they are in the market, they’ve taken some of our dealers, they’ve been more on the smaller scale lesser quality dealers. But for us, the big advantage I think is twofold. One overall cost of funds for us today and then particularly as we think for because we’re funding.
The floorplan book, we do fund 95%, 96% of that inside the bank, so it takes advantage of our best cost of funds. And then particularly as you think for, it’s the rising rate environment, being bank funded, having the ability to lag on the way out is going to be very important.
And then the second part of this is just the relationship component, which I can't emphasize enough. They know our people. You’ve got a number of these dealers that generational --I mean 2 to 3 generations, and they know what to expect from us. And I would admit it or not always the lowest price.
And accounts can typically probably trade away from us at a little more cost effective level. But with us they get the service, they get the consistency.
And that’s part, we even rolled out a new ad campaign in the first quarter, which really is resonating with the dealers, which is again, we’re more than just the bank or more than just a finance provider or partner. And I think that that matters in the eyes of the dealer. So for us, I think there is a lot of advantages that we have.
We’re still in the GM channels of the dealers. We’re still running the floor plan book about 63%, 64% penetration. So, we’ve lost some accounts, but we still have a quite good share there, and I’d expect that to more or less stay about the same..
Thank you..
You got it, Don. Thanks. I appreciate your support. Katrina, we have time for one more question. There is one queued out..
Thank you. Your final question will come from the line of David Ho representing Deutsche Bank. Please proceed..
Good morning. One last one on the partnerships with additional OEMs. Congratulations on the Mitsubishi win.
Is there an active pipeline for that? Or is that kind of just opportunistic throughout the year and as you go about the business?.
Yes. I mean, it is opportunistic more than active pipeline. But having said that, I’d say, we’ve got another one that’s imminent. It's smaller, but I would help in the next week or so. We’re out with another name we’re bringing in the umbrella. So, I mean, I think, it's really showing the power of the franchise.
But we've got a dedicated team without talking at the manufacturer level and saying even how can we be supportive behind where they have a captive. And I think that's really working above the dealer level and even at the manufacturer level today. So more to come, but we remain very opportunistic there..
Great. Thanks. And one more on the rising rate question.
In terms of rising rates making subvented business more attractive, do you really think that your funding cost advantage will kind of offset your competitiveness there in terms of ensuring that your buy rates are still competitive, and particularly within the GM new retail standard channel?.
Sure. I mean, the aspect that we have a large deposit base today will really ensure that we will have the cost of funds going forward in the rising rate environment to really remain competitive. So I think that really helps us..
Okay. Great. Thanks..
Thanks a lot, David. Thank you..
Thanks, Dave..
All right..
Great. Okay. That’s all the time we have this morning. If you do have additional questions, please feel free to reach out to Investor Relations. And thanks for joining us this morning. Thanks, Katrina..
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