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EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT
EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT 2015 - Q3
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Executives

Jim Leahy - VP, JCIR Bart Shuldman - Chairman and CEO Steve DeMartino - President and CFO.

Analysts

Phil Bernard - Eilers Research Mitchell Sacks - Grand Slam Asset Management.

Operator

Good day ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the TransAct Technologies' Third Quarter 2015 Conference Call. At this time all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session, and instructions will follow at that time. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder this conference call is being recorded.

I would now like to introduce your host for today's conference, Mr. Jim Leahy. Sir, you may begin..

Jim Leahy

Thank you, Kelly. Good afternoon, and welcome to TransAct Technologies' 2015 Third Quarter Conference Call. Joining us today from the company are Chairman and CEO, Bart Shuldman; and President and CFO, Steve DeMartino.

Today's call will include a discussion of the Company's key operating strategies, progress against those initiatives, and details on the third quarter financial results. We will then open the call to participants for questions.

As a reminder, this conference call contains statements about future events and expectations, which are forward-looking in nature. Statements on this call may be deemed as forward-looking and actual results may differ materially.

For a full list of risks inherent to the business and the Company, please refer to the Company's SEC filings, including its reports on Form 10-K and 10-Q. TransAct undertakes no obligations to revise or update any forward-looking statements to reflect events or circumstances that occur after the call.

Today's call and webcast will include non-GAAP financial measures within the meaning of SEC Regulation G. When required, a reconciliation of all non-GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable financial measure calculated and presented in accordance with GAAP, can be found in today's press release, as well as on the Company's Web site.

At this time, I would like to turn the call over to Bart Shuldman.

Bart?.

Bart Shuldman

Thank you Jim, and welcome to everyone to joining us on this afternoon's conference call and webcast. This afternoon we reported third quarter revenue of 14.2 million, adjusted EBITDA of $2 million, and diluted EPS of $0.13.

Steve will review the financials in more detail, but let me start by noting that the company's results over the first nine months of 2015 were driven by strong performance across our food safety market and our domestic [ph] casino, gaming, and lottery market.

To-date in 2015, total net sales are up over 17%, driving a 142% increase in adjusted EBITDA and a 313% increase in adjusted net income, compared with the same period in 2014. Since the beginning of 2015, TransAct has been focused on sales execution and prudent management of expenses.

I am pleased to say that our teams are delivering on both of these goals, and I believe that our financial results year-to-date are a clear validation of our strategies.

In particular, our engineering team has provided our sales professionals with an attractive portfolio of high margin products tailored to address a number of large growth opportunities, and our sales efforts have allowed us to gain traction, grow market share, and demonstrate to our customers how much value our new solutions can bring to their business.

Furthermore, by being prudent in the way we invest in growth and operate the business day-to-day, we've been able to leverage our top line success to deliver increased profitability and cash flow, while we focus away from our old commodity printer products.

Before I hand the call to Steve, I want to briefly review the success we are having in the markets we serve, and our outlook for continued progress going forward. First, the momentum for our line of AccuDate food safety terminals is a great example of our company-wide focus on sales, in 2015.

On a year-to-year basis, sales more than doubled compared to last year, demonstrating the growing acceptance for what has become a key back-of-the-house tool for restaurant and food service operators. We are now generating orders for these terminals nearly every day.

Customers continue to tell us that by adding an AccuDate terminal to their operations they've been able to bring new efficiencies to their processes, and generated attractive cost savings.

Thanks to the progress, and the growing level of positive customer feedback, we believe that 2016, we will see a further acceleration of sales in our food safety terminal business. Building on the success of the AccuDate 9700, our recently introduced AccuDate Pro had opened up many new opportunities for TransAct.

Occupying a unique place in both the restaurant and food service operator operations, the AccuDate Pro is a true back-of-the-house hub.

Bringing together, in one hi-tech device, the ability to print food rotation and prep labels, send prep items directly to prep chefs who have a terminal in front of them, centralize distribution and management of menu updates, link menu items with prep and plating instructions, offer training videos at the prep station, and directly connect with central computer systems to dramatically reduce inventory waste.

As we head into 2016, we're working on new AccuDate food safety terminals that will amplify the features and functionality of the AccuDate Pro, and create even more exciting opportunities for us. We'll have more to say about these revolutionary products in the coming months.

But note that there is a growing excitement at TransAct for the potential of these products to greatly transform our AccuDate business. We're moving TransAct further into food prep, food service, and restaurant operations. And expect to further grow product revenue, and build a new recurring revenue business.

This market continues to present TransAct with revenue growth opportunities, which over time will transform the company, and allow us to generate higher margins through the delivery of integrated hi-tech solutions.

Shifting to our casino and gaming business, the industry-leading features and performance of our Epic line of ticket-in, ticket-out gaming printers have allowed TransAct to grow our domestic market casino printer sales by 70% in the third quarter of 2015, versus the third quarter of 2014, and further our position as the industry leading provider of gaming printers.

This domestic market share gain is notable, given that many industry observers indicate that the domestic environment for gaming machine unit sales remains somewhat pressured. Our customers have come to expect that our reliable printers are accompanied by unparalleled customer service.

And to that end, gaming machine provider Konami recently awarded TransAct with the Supplier Performance Award for the third consecutive year. We believe customer service is a critical feature of our casino and gaming business, and I am particularly proud of our team for the work they do in this area each day.

Our casino and gaming business is also benefitting from the long term opportunity we see with Epicentral. Importantly, we now have a backlog of Epicentral installations which will come online over the next few quarters. At the recent G2E trade show in Las Vegas, we saw increased interest for the system from operators of all sizes.

Operators are looking to leverage the power to Epicentral to turn the slot machine into a kiosk, allowing for a far more integrated player experience, where time on device goes up, because players can be rewarded and entertained directly at the gaming device.

Longer term, we believe our recent agreement with Aristocrat to integrate Epicentral with their Oasis 360 casino management system is a validation of the power of Epicentral. And we expect the combination of Oasis 360 and Epicentral will be a driver of additional interests in our unique bonusing and promotion solution.

In particular, those that attended the recent G2E tradeshow in Las Vegas got to see the benefit of integrating Epicentral with Oasis 360. Our lottery business saw yet another strong quarter even as sales return to more normalized levels in the third quarter.

We recently signed a new lottery printer agreement with GTECH that allows us to continue to support GTECH at very high level and also continue to benefit from the sale of spare parts and accessories into an installed base of over 500,000 printers worldwide that's installed by the way.

Importantly, this agreement also provides TransAct with the ability to drive interest in our recently introduced Epic 3000 printer from new potential lottery customers worldwide. Sales of our Printrex line of printers to the oil and gas exploration market remained challenged with oil prices under $50 a barrel.

We have seen little change in drilling activity, and continue to manage this business with a focus on maintaining the product line's profitability. With that said, we are ready to capitalize on oil, rebound, and drilling activity increases.

And finally in the mobile market, our RESPONDER MP2 mobile printer has a potential to be an exciting new opportunity for TransAct in 2016. As I mentioned last quarter, mobile is a new market for TransAct, and we believe the growing level of connectedness between machines and vehicles is creating an environment, where we will benefit over time.

However, TransAct is very focused today on the many opportunities for our line of AccuDate terminals and for Epicentral casino software systems. Our ongoing business transformation has created a dramatically different TransAct with exciting new opportunities and further potential for continued margin expansion.

By executing on our initiative for 2015, it's all about sales. We have been able to generate strong traction for our AccuDate food safety terminals, drive a growing backlog for Epicenteral, and grow our market share in the casino and gaming business.

At the same time as the sales mix in the higher margin products in our solutions portfolio continues to increase, we are very favorably positioned to continue to grow our gross margins into the mid-40% range on a consistent basis.

I would like to take this time to thank the employees of TransAct, who continued to be very focused on our transformation and growth initiative. Everyone has worked hard doing what is necessary to get our new products to market. So, our marketing and sales team can turn the products into sales.

I want to thank our engineering and operations teams for supporting all these efforts, and thank our finance team. We have a great team at TransAct. I also want to thank our shareholders who have supported us over the last few years. We are working hard on your behalf and we are staying focused on, it's all about sales.

With that, I'll turn the call over to Steve for deeper review of the 2015 third quarter results. After which, I'll make some summary remarks before we open the call to questions and answers.

Steve?.

Steve DeMartino

Thanks, Bart. Good afternoon, everyone. 2015 third quarter net sales were 14.2 million, up 6% compared to 13.4 million in the year ago quarter. As Bart pointed out earlier, Q3 benefited from the growing momentum in our food safety terminal business, strong domestic casino sales, and continued strength in our global lottery business.

Looking at our sales by market for the third quarter, casino and gaming sales were down approximately $700,000 or 13% year-over-year to 4.4 million. Despite the overall decline, our results reflect strong domestic sales driven by continued share gains for Epic line of casino and gaming printers.

The domestic strength we experienced was offset by weakness across our international markets, driven by a slowdown in Europe and Macau. Lottery sales were up 22% to 1.8 million from 1.5 million in the third quarter last year as we returned to more normalized quarterly sales.

Though sales in Q3 declined sequentially from Q2 due unusually high shipments in the first half of 2015, our lottery business remains extremely healthy.

And going forward, we believe we will benefit from our new contract with GTECH that will now allow us to be able to offer our leading lottery printer solution to a broader range of customers beyond just GTECH.

Food safety, POS, and banking sales were 3.4 million in the third quarter 2015, grew by 800,000 or 29% year-over-year, and we are roughly flat compared to the second quarter of 2015.

Results for the 2015 third quarter reflect a 91% increase in sales of our food safety terminals compared to the prior year, and also included the first volume shipments of our new AccuDate Pro. In addition, sales of our point-of-sale and banking printers increased by 14%, reflecting further sales of our Epic 9000 printer into McDonald's locations.

Looking ahead, we expect our food safety and POS sales will remain healthy as we continue to obtain more brand approvals and make progress in expanding the sales pipeline for AccuDate terminals, and we also expect to benefit from the recent introduction of the AccuDate Pro and the expected launch of our third food safety terminal in the AccuDate line next year.

Total revenue for our Printrex brand in the oil and gas and medical mobile printers was approximately $200,000 compared to a million dollars in the year ago quarter.

Our oil and gas printer sales continued to be impacted by lower capital spending by customers as a result of the dramatically lower level of drilling activity caused by the steep drop in oil prices. As we said last quarter, we expect this trend to continue to impact Printrex oil and gas printer sales throughout 2015.

And finally TSG sales were up 37% year-over-year to 4.4 million as we experienced a significant increase in sales of spare parts largely to GTECH. Sales of spares to GTECH in Q3 were unusually high, and we expect such sales to return to more normalized levels in Q4.

Gross margin for the third quarter was 44.4%, up 490 basis points from 39.5% in the same period last year. Our gross margin for the quarter benefited from a higher sales mix of food safety terminals and spare parts both of which carry margins in excess of our overall corporate margin.

As sales of our legacy products declined further and sales of our newest products continued to grow and become a larger portion of our overall sales, we expect continued gross margin improvement. Over time we could see gross margin climb through the mid to high 40% range and even touch 50% given the right sales mix.

Total operating expenses were 4.7 million for the third quarter down $600,000 compared to 5.3 million a year ago, excluding the legal fees related to the law suit with Avery Dennison in the prior year period operating expenses declined by at a 100,000 or 2% year-over-year as we continued to benefit from the cost reduction actions we initiated late last year.

Since undertaking those actions we have paced nicely ahead of our target of saving $1 million in annual operating expenses. Engineering design and product development expenses for the third quarter were down $287,000 or 27% year-over-year reflecting staff reductions from our cost reduction initiatives as well as lower product development expenses.

Selling and marketing expenses for the third quarter were up 290,000 or 16% to 2.1 million largely due to staff additions to our food safety sales team as well as the shift in timing of the expenses for our largest tradeshow G2E in Las Vegas. This year G2E occurred in Q3, and as such, we recorded all G2E show expenses in the third quarter.

However last year this show straddled Q3 and Q4 and show expenses were split between the third and the fourth quarters. G&A expenses for the third quarter were 1.8 million down 4% from the year ago period, and operating income grew to 1.6 million or 11% of net sales compared to just $57,000 or less than 1% of net sales the prior year third quarter.

We believe this truly demonstrates the operating leverage power that our newest products deliver to our overall financial results. Both GAAP and adjusted diluted EPS for the 2015 third quarter were $0.13 compared to $0.01 and $0.04 respectively in the year ago period.

And adjusted EBITDA for the third quarter 2015 more than doubled to $2 million fro2m 900,000 in the third quarter of last year. Turning to the balance sheet now, we ended the quarter with 2.5 million in cash and no debt.

We returned approximately $600,000 of capital to shareholders during the 2015 third quarter through our quarterly cash dividend of $0.08 per share. And through the first nine months of the year, we returned approximately 2.9 million to shareholders through our regular quarterly dividend as well as share repurchases made in the first quarter.

And earlier this week we announced our regular quarterly dividend of $0.08 per share payable in December to shareholders of record as of the close of business on November 20th, demonstrating our continued commitment to return capital to shareholders even as we support our sales focused growth plan.

As Bart mentioned, our focus on driving sales of our newer higher margin products should have a further positive impact on gross margin.

Sales of our food safety terminals should remain very healthy though we're likely to see our domestic casino and gaming business benefited from continued share gains as well as from the benefit of several expected deployments of Epicentral.

However, our outlook remains cautious on the opportunities for international casino and gaming business as well as for our Printrex oil and gas business. But overall 2015 should finish as a year of solid execution for TransAct, and we are well-positioned to deliver future growth in 2016.

And at this point, I'd like to give the call back to Bart for some closing remarks.

Bart?.

Bart Shuldman

Thanks, Steve. Before opening up the call to your questions, I want to emphasize that the transformation of TransAct is beginning to bear fruit, as evidenced by the strong financial results delivered in the third quarter of 2015.

While we have lots of work ahead of us to continue the transformation of TransAct, and drive towards our goal of turning the company into a hi-tech solution provider for the markets we serve. We are truly excited by what the future holds for TransAct. With that, let's open the call to your questions.

Operator?.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Phil Bernard with Eilers Research. Your line is open..

Phil Bernard

Hi. Thanks for taking my question guys. First off, congratulations on a solid quarter, well done..

Bart Shuldman

[Indiscernible]..

Phil Bernard

Yes, absolutely. I'll start with a few questions regarding the casino industry. First one, congratulations on the progress with Epicentral.

Did you guys have -- generate any sales within the quarter, and would you be able to provide any comments here on maybe percentage within domestic casino gaming or potentially maybe even a whole number?.

Bart Shuldman

Yes, there were no installations in the third quarter with Epicentral..

Phil Bernard

Okay..

Bart Shuldman

So, there were no sales. It was strictly -- I mean, if you look at our number, the domestic casino market was driven by the 70% increase in printer sales..

Phil Bernard

Okay, beautiful.

Now, with regards to your relationship with Aristocrat, how does that differ with the way the product integrates with, let's say, a Bally system?.

Bart Shuldman

Well, if you look at how we do everybody but Aristocrat, we get a gateway from the other service providers, the other system providers, and then between us and the casino, we work with them on how they want to distinguish their players, how they want to separate them, and then drive promotions based on player habit, time on device, what kind of player they are, what's their ADT, Average Daily Theoretical, and all that.

What Aristocrat allowed us to do, and for those that were at the show could see it, we now actually have the ability to really work inside of the slot machine. So, for instance, what they showed is almost -- the video slot machine almost opened up. It had a window, and it allowed us to communicate directly to the player different offerings.

We actually showed the capability of doing sports betting. So if they know that the player likes to bet, and is a sports bettor, they can actually offer that right at the slot machine, they can choose to bet. If a player wants to just bet on a football game, they show that capability also.

So, with the integration of our system on to the Aristocrat system, not only do we have full access to their system, but we have full access to all the slot machines on the floor, where we can even do more, and it's more, not only promotion and couponing and all that, but now we're getting into entertaining, and keeping the player at the slot machine and really integrating our solution with their solution with the slot machine, and it's everybody's slot machine on the floor.

And if you got to see it, it was really exciting to see how the whole -- their system and our system work together, and then literally on the screen provided this interactive experience, which by the way the millennials kind of like, right, they like that interactive experience. We showed that on their slot machine. So it's really beneficial.

I mean, it's an endorsement by Aristocrat of our system and our capabilities. But more important, it's the interaction and the combination of the two systems to drive more play, more entertainment, more communication.

If somebody is at a certain level, and they might get a coupon or something, we actually can talk to the player and say, hey, do you want to play some more and get to the next level? So there's just so much more we can do by communicating some of that on the screen..

Phil Bernard

Okay, interesting. Yes. Okay, that's quite a bit more involved than the relationship with the other systems.

And one last bit of commentary within the casino segment, could you provide additional commentary on what happed with the international printer sales?.

Bart Shuldman

Look, I don't think it's a mystery that Macau is going through some issues. So we saw the effect of that. We've won just about all the openings, but some of the -- I don't think we had an opening in the third quarter. We'll have some more openings coming up that we'll provide our printers for.

I don't think it's a mystery that Macau is not in a great way right now. And Europe was a little slow, and I don't think that should surprise anybody. It's just the reality of what's going on over there. I think the good news is, like in Macau we've won just about all the openings now. I think there's one more that hasn't made a decision.

The other thing that's pretty interesting is there is a level for Epicentral over there. And even casinos that don't have our printer. So the opportunity to continue our market share growth, which is pretty high in Macau, is pretty exciting. And by the way, there's a fair amount of interest in Europe for Epicentral.

So we feel -- What's happening is, Epicentral, in itself, is driving casinos to buy our printer.

Whether it's asking for our printer when they buy new machines, and there is one customer internationally, I want to tell you who it is, but who personally called me at home one night, to say, I just want to let you know I just bought 200 machines with your printer, because eventually I'm putting in Epicentral.

So Epicentral is pulling our printer in many different ways. Either if they're getting ready to install Epicentral, and they're one of our backlog customers, if they don't have our printer, they're putting our printer in. If they have our printer -- if they want our system, and they're ordering new machines, they're buying it clearly with our printer.

I mean, we're up 70% domestically in the third quarter. I don't think there is a slot manufacturer that's going to talk anywhere near those kinds of numbers. But that's what Epicentral is doing. Because we are the only truly integrated hi-tech promotion and coupon, and now entertaining system, on the floor of that casino.

And with Aristocrat, we even showed how to get the millennials' attention by going back and forth, and communicating with them. So we're seeing the benefit what Epicentral do to pull our printer sales..

Phil Bernard

Got it, got it.

So most of your business, it sounds like, was in Macau, there's some potential moderate opportunities to expand there, but primarily you're looking for expansion out of Europe, but that will take some time before that kicks in?.

Bart Shuldman

Look, I think from our perspective, Epicentral is doing a great job at pulling printer sales, and Epicentral has got some real opportunities in the international markets, and we're not going to discuss who is in our backlog, but it's not all domestic.

So Epicentral is garnering the attention all over the world, and it's helping to drive printer sales. The fact that Macau is going through a difficult time, they'll come out of it. I mean, things will settle down, and the casinos will figure out how to get into the new world of not having the high end player, and being more of a mass market.

And by the way, a mass market eventually should be good for us. Because that means more people are on the floor of the casino, which means more people will be looking at the slot machine, versus the junket player that's in a backroom just playing baccarat. It's just the ebb and flow of what's going on overseas, no concerns here..

Phil Bernard

Got it, got it. Yes, anyone that listened to the Wynn [ph] call can hear the frustration from Macau. But, yes, we all hope that that turns around..

Bart Shuldman

Yes, look, you feel for the guy. He's building a casino, and doesn't know many table games he's going to get, how many [indiscernible]..

Phil Bernard

Right, right. It's -- I understand the frustration. Moving past casino gaming, on the food safety, you guys are releasing the AccuDate Pro.

Is there any development with that? Are you testing that anywhere right now?.

Bart Shuldman

No, we got orders..

Phil Bernard

You got orders?.

Bart Shuldman

Yes, we shipped -- we actually shipped our first, I won't say how many, but we've won our first account with the AccuDate Pro, and that's shipped in the third quarter, so some of our -- the increase in sales that we got in the third quarter was the AccuDate Pro.

I've got to say that with the launch of the AccuDate Pro, what's impressive to me is the conversations now that we're having with customers about how to even do more and how this device will become their assistant, not just their food safety terminal.

This is now going to provide more features and functions and services to not only restaurants, but food service providers in different venues. And we're really excited about the conversations that are going on.

And the opportunity to really provide hi-tech solutions, and really almost own the back of the restaurant and the back of the food service operators. So we did ship our first Pro. We've -- I've got to tell you that the amount of customers that we're talking to right now -- we used to talk about 70,000 or getting close to a 100,000.

It's now getting close to 200,000 locations. It's just going to take time to go through the integration. It's going to get time where people want more technology, is getting them that technology, but the sales funnel has doubled over the last couple of months, and a lot of that because of the Pro..

Phil Bernard

Now how does that compare, I guess, in terms of ASP and margins with the current AccuDate's 9700?.

Bart Shuldman

Look, the AccuDate Pro and the new terminals are higher priced -- higher ASP than the 9700. And the margins are higher. And you heard Steve, who's probably more conservative out of both of us, and I know I'm very pleased and proud of what we've been able to do.

Steve's looking at it saying, Bart, if you continue down this path, as we look out, and we're talking a quarter or two, but as we look out further, and, say, more Epicentrals, and more casino printer sales, and more AccuDate sales. We're starting to look at gross margins that can approach 50%.

And this is a company that was in the high 20s-low 30s not too long ago. So the margins are there, the technology is there, but I think just as exciting it is, my team has come up -- our team has come up with ways to drive recurring revenue from all this.

And that is even just as exciting, because that of course has a good position for us to grow that recurring revenue business in services. So we're excited about what our team is bringing to us.

We hired a new executive to run sales and marketing, and he's just knocking the cover off the ball with the opportunities, and the ideas that they have to really own this space in the back of the restaurant, in the back of the food service providers..

Phil Bernard

Great. That actually brings me to my next question, and then I will stop bothering you. On the sales and marketing front, it sounds like most of the operating expenses are going to be fairly consistent. R&D has come down a bit. With the new sales executive, and you mentioned that you had already increased some of the folks on your sales force.

Do you intend on further increasing and juicing the sales force from here?.

Bart Shuldman

Not on the sales side, maybe one or two engineers, not on the sales side. The amount of opportunities that we've been handed for both Epicentral and food safety, we might add one or two more engineers just to keep up, but not on the sales side..

Phil Bernard

Okay, great. That's it for me. Thank you..

Bart Shuldman

Thanks, Phil..

Steve DeMartino

Thanks..

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Mitchell Sacks with Grand Slam Asset Management. Your line is open..

Mitchell Sacks

Hi guys, really nice quarter..

Bart Shuldman

Thank you..

Steve DeMartino

Hi, Mitch..

Mitchell Sacks

My question is on the backlog on Epicentral, and just how to think about that or -- going forward? And when does that backlog start to turn into revenue?.

Bart Shuldman

Well, I -- the way I think about is, I'd be very happy we got a backlog. We will install it when the customer has done their work, and we've done our work. And so you'll see it roll out over the next couple of quarters. That's how we look at it. There's a lot of things that we're doing for these customers, and they're all over the world.

So, I -- it's the first time that since we've announced Epicentral few years ago, that we can actually say we've got a backlog..

Mitchell Sacks

Okay. And then on the AccuDate Pro, it's nice to hear that you guys have sales.

When does that become a more meaningful part of the food safety sales? Is that a 2016 or is that more of a '17 kind of switch?.

Bart Shuldman

I would say, Mitch, you're going to see it ramp up in 2016. There's no doubt..

Mitchell Sacks

Great. Thank you guys very much. I appreciate it..

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] And I'm showing no further questions at this time. I would like to turn the call back over to Mr. Shuldman for closing remarks..

Bart Shuldman

Yes. Let me just talk about -- I actually thought somebody would ask the question, there is a situation in the Northwest of the country going on with a wonderful restaurant company. I let you know that there is an outbreak of a food issue. And that's what we help to prevent.

We got into this business that was the first thing we looked at is how do we keep restaurant companies from losing their brand, from breaking their brand? And clearly there is an issue when the Northwest, it's in the papers, people saying it could take months if not years for that company to recover from it.

That's what we help to prevent with our 9700, and some of the features of our Pro. We have actually expanded that for inventory control and menus and videos and all the rest being online, but that's -- if you look at that situation, that's the conversations that we are having with restaurants.

Do you want to do it manually? Do you want to do it -- were you hoping somebody does it right? Would you want to do what you contract that they did it right, that there is no mistakes? And that's the conversations that we are having with our restaurant companies. That was the conversation with the 9700 with people like McDonald's when we got into it.

Clearly, the 9800 then there is more conversations, and then the next models that will come out, we didn't have further conversations, but that's what we are doing in the restaurant industry is we are helping them to protect their brand, and it's not that we are -- it's not like we look at the situation and say, well, that should help us, but that's exactly what we are trying to do is protect these companies from having the issues.

And then of course for those that about the casino industry and how it's getting a bit healthier, especially domestically and then internationally people want to try and get healthier, really Epicentral helping them out in how it just pulls printer sales. So with that, I really thank everybody for being on the call.

I really appreciate the shareholders supporting us. We've got a lot more work to do, but you can see that we've got some excitement here and that we are focused on taking the advantage and driving those sales. So, I really thank everybody. I really appreciate your support..

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating in today's conference. This does conclude the program, and you may all disconnect. Everyone have a wonderful day..

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