Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by and welcome to the Sonos Fourth Quarter and Fiscal 2022 Earnings Call. [Operator Instructions] I will now turn the floor over to Mr. James Baglanis, Senior Director of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir..

Good afternoon and welcome to Sonos fourth quarter and fiscal 2022 earnings conference call. I am James Baglanis, and with me today are Sonos CEO, Patrick Spence; and CFO and Chief Legal Officer, Eddie Lazarus. For those who joined the call early, today’s hold music is a sampling from our holiday-inspired Sonos Radio station, Thankful.

Before I hand it over to Patrick, I would like to remind everyone that today’s discussion will include forward-looking statements regarding future events and our future financial performance. These statements reflect our views as of today only and should not be considered as representing our views of any subsequent date.

These statements are also subject to material risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from expectations reflected in the forward-looking statements. A discussion of these risk factors is fully detailed under the caption Risk Factors in our filings with the SEC.

During this call, we will also refer to certain non-GAAP financial measures. For information regarding our non-GAAP financials and a reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP measures, please refer to today’s press release regarding our fourth quarter and fiscal 2022 results posted to the Investor Relations portion of our website.

As a result, as a reminder, the press release, supplemental earnings presentation and conference call transcript will be available on today’s Investor Relations website. I will now turn the call over to Patrick..

Thank you, James and hello everyone. Earlier today, we announced that Eddie Lazarus, our Interim CFO and Chief Legal Officer, has been appointed as Chief Financial Officer. Eddie has long played an active role in our strategic planning and he knows the team and the intricacies of our business.

His unique background brings a fresh perspective to the table and he has already made tremendous contributions to our fiscal 2023 plan. I am confident that we are in good hands with Eddie in the role. We will commence a search for a General Counsel who will assume the day-to-day responsibilities of the legal organization reporting to Eddie.

Now turning to the state of our business. I would like to begin by sharing how proud I am of our team’s tremendous efforts to navigate an increasingly challenging macroeconomic backdrop and deliver our 17th consecutive year of revenue growth.

Though fiscal 2022 came in below our initial expectations, we were pleased to see trends stabilize in Q4, ending the year as planned. In challenging macroeconomic times, it is especially important to reemphasize the resilience of our business model and the economic foundation it provides.

The unique Sonos flywheel consists of acquiring new customers, which we refer to as households. These households do two things. First, our households add more products to their home over time; and second, the members of these households become advocates who help us acquire additional new customers.

Existing customers telling their friends and family to by Sonos remains the leading driver of new customers. Our flywheel is proven and remarkably consistent over the past 17 years. Even in the midst of last year’s many challenges, it continued to drive growth.

We added 1.4 million households in fiscal ‘22, bringing the total installed base of Sonos households to 14 million. And we manage this despite supply challenges crimping our ability to attract new households through both product availability and an inability to run promotions.

We are still in the early innings of our growth as our 14 million households represent just 9% of the 158 million affluent households in our core markets. As has been true year in and year out, our customers added new products to their Sonos systems.

Average products per household increased to 2.98 from 2.95 in fiscal ‘21, underscoring how the lifetime value of our customers continues to grow. And there is a lot more room for additional growth. 40% of our households are single product households, whereas our average multi-product household has 4.3 products.

In other words, we are starting to get into the range we talked about at our Investor Day of 4 to 6 products for every mature Sonos household. We estimate that converting our single product households to the average multi-product household install size represents a $5 billion revenue opportunity alone.

Of course, this will not happen overnight, but it does highlight the long runway we have to further monetize our installed base. We are investing in the systems and programs to more aggressively go after this opportunity in fiscal 2023 and beyond. Now, to recap our financial performance.

In fiscal 2022, we grew revenues 5% constant currency or 2% reported to $1.752 billion. Gross profit was $796.4 million, down 2%, representing a gross margin of 45.4%, down 180 basis points. This was within our annual target range of 45% to 47%, but slightly below our fiscal ‘22 guidance due to lower than expected gross margins in Q4.

Adjusted EBITDA was $226.5 million, representing a margin of 12.9%. From a product standpoint, 2022 was an exciting year. We launched five products and services and completed three acquisitions. We have seen strong adoption of Sonos voice control since it launched in May.

And Sonos Radio has become the number one most listened to service on Sonos and accounted for nearly 30% of all listening. Our products are resonating with consumers.

In Q4, we saw both sequential and year-over-year improvements in our home theater market share in the U.S., UK, Germany and the Nordics, reaching our highest level of unit and dollar share in almost 2 years. The fact we are outperforming competitors picking up share is a validation of our brand strength and category leadership.

Last quarter, we discussed how Ray, our entry-level sound bar, underperformed our internal expectations upon launch. We are pleased to see that it is gaining momentum. And in the UK and Germany in Q4, it has become the top product in the entry-level home theater category by dollar share. Our newest product, The Sub Mini, is strong out of the gate.

Since launching in October, it has garnered outstanding media reviews and is already a hit with customers as we are exceeding our initial sales forecasts. We expect this momentum to continue through the fall and into the holiday season as households build out their home theater system to enjoy sports, movies and music at home.

As you know, we have been committed to and executed upon delivering at least two new products every year since 2017. Fiscal 2023 will be no different. We have already launched Sub Mini and we plan to launch at least two additional products on top of that in the remainder of fiscal 2023.

We have built a prudent plan balancing our commitment to profitability with an imperative to invest in the future in light of the exceptional opportunities we set ahead of us in the next few years. On revenue side, I’d emphasize a few of the building blocks for our approach.

First, we have taken a sober view of the macroeconomic conditions using the stabilized run-rates we have been seeing over the past 4 months as a baseline. At the same time, we enjoy the benefit of the steady repurchase behavior we have observed in our customer cohorts.

As I have said before, the buying patterns and repurchase rates of our 2020 through 2022 customer cohorts continue to behave like our pre-COVID cohorts. Based on past cohort repurchase behavior, we start each year with a line of sight to achieving 40% to 45% of our annual registrations target.

This sticky predictable revenue stream from our installed base is something that many other consumer electronic brands do not have.

Based on these considerations, the improvement of our in-stock position, our return to normal levels of promotional activity and the exciting new products we have planned for this year, in fiscal 2023, we expect to grow revenues between 1% to 7% constant currency at a 45% to 46% gross margin and deliver adjusted EBITDA of $145 million to $180 million, representing a margin of 8.5% at the low end and 10% at the high end.

Eddie will give you more details about our assumptions, but I would just remind everyone that a very significant portion of the $79 million foreign exchange revenue headwind we expect in fiscal ‘23 flows through to detract from both gross profit and adjusted EBITDA.

We are making thoughtful and targeted investments to drive our medium and long-term growth while being mindful of the continued importance of delivering profitability. We will grow our team at a significantly slower pace in fiscal ‘23 than we did in fiscal ‘22 as we have a lot of people in place to support the new categories we are pursuing.

We know this runs against the grain when it comes to recent headlines, but it’s important to keep in mind that we have been profitable the last 4 years and have not chased growth at all costs, the way many of the companies you now hear about doing layoffs have. We have been and will continue to be profitable.

The investments we are making are laying the foundation for Sonos to meet and exceed our long-term targets of $2.5 billion in revenue and $375 million to $450 million in EBITDA.

While we are always cautious when talking about our product roadmap, we are investing in products that will allow us to enter four new categories, one of which we expect to announce in fiscal ‘23.

We have a proven track record of gaining share when entering a new category, which underpins our conviction that we will gain a larger share of the $96 billion global audio market over time. And importantly, entering new categories will further diversify our business.

Our investments are focused on driving our flywheel of new household acquisition and existing customer repurchases. Though our headcount is growing, we are tightening our belts, reducing discretionary spend and doing some restructuring to make our teams more efficient.

If we start following short of our targets in fiscal ‘23, we won’t hesitate to adapt to the environment, prioritize our key initiatives and protect the profitability of our business. I am confident that we will emerge from this period of uncertainty stronger. Our flywheel of new household generation and household repurchase is working.

And in the next few years, we will spin it even faster. We expect to accomplish this by focusing on three things. First, we will reset the bar in our existing product categories, further differentiating Sonos as the choice for premium home audio. Second, we will enter new naturally adjacent product categories, as you have seen us do with portables.

And third, we will expand our geographic reach, building out the beachheads we have already established in markets such as Japan, India and LatAm. Executing on these strategies will accelerate our annual revenue growth to our previously achieved levels of low double-digits with adjusted EBITDA in the 15% to 18% margin range.

Now, I will turn the call over to Eddie to provide more details on our results and outlook..

the euro at $0.99 and the pound at $1.13. As a reminder, EMEA was 33% of our revenue in FY ‘22 and our FX sensitivity is about 4 to 1 euro to pound.

Now we realized that the rates have moved a bit since we formed this forecast with the dollar weakening so and would note that a weaker than model dollar lessens the foreign exchange headwind to our reported revenues and adjusted EBITDA. We expect gross margin to land in the range of 45% to 46%, roughly flat year-over-year.

We do not expect to incur any airfreight and our reliance on spot buy should decrease significantly due to our inventory position as well as an improving supply environment.

We expect that these significant tailwinds will be offset, however, by the combination of FX headwinds and our return to running a normal level of holiday promotions, which we have previously noted, is important to driving new household acquisition. We expect adjusted EBITDA of $145 million to $180 million.

representing a margin of between 8.5% and 10%. As previously discussed, FX presents a significant headwind to adjusted EBITDA.

Operating expenses are growing in excess of revenue due to, first, full year expense of hires made in FY ‘22; second, assumed bonus payout this year of 100% of target versus the fractional payout in FY ‘22; third, our strategic and targeted hiring plan for FY ‘23; and fourth, prudent investment in our product road map.

As a reminder, the lower bonus payout resulted in $30 million of savings in FY ‘22. The incremental expense incurred by our FY ‘22 hiring is another $30 million. At the midpoint of our fiscal year ‘23 guidance, the $60 million represents approximately 75% and of the year-over-year increase in GAAP OpEx dollars in fiscal year ‘23.

The remainder of the increase in OpEx is targeted hiring and product road map investment, which is a significant reduction in pace compared to FY ‘22. We’re not in the business of growing OpEx in excess of revenue. And if revenue starts falling short of expectations, Patrick and I are fully prepared to take remedial actions.

Overall, I’m committed to driving further efficiency in Sonos’ business. Finally, taking off my new hat for a moment and putting back on my legal hat, I’ll briefly recap the recent developments in our Google litigation.

In our case against Google in Northern California, Judge also has consolidated the trial on the three patents at issue and scheduled for May of 2023. He further ruled even in advance of trial that Google infringes one of the patents at issue.

Meanwhile, we remain undefeated in Google’s cases against Sonos, having obtained additional rulings of non-infringement in cases that Google filed in Canada and in the Netherlands, and having now invalidated two more Google U.S. patents before the patent trial and appeal board.

We, of course, will defend the new cases Google has filed at the ITC with equal rigor. And with that, I’d like to turn it over to questions..

Your first question comes from the line of Tom Forte of D.A. Davidson..

Great, thanks. First off, Eddie, congrats on being named permanent CFO. One question and one follow-up, and then I might get back in the queue for a couple more. It looks like you’re providing a new disclosure on your dealer channel? So first off, thanks for the additional information.

Second, how does your dealer channel compared to trust with your retail and DTC channels?.

Sorry, Tom, what comparison did you ask we? I’m sorry, I didn’t hear that one part of the question. It was a little mumbled..

So new disclosure on the dealer channel, how does the dealer channel compare and contrast with your retail and DTC channels?.

Well, as I mentioned, we get very high SP multiple product purchases in the installer channel, which is a great base for us. And we also get very good margins out of that channel. So on those bases, we love growing that channel. And as I said, we’re going to be growing that channel again in ‘23 and expanding that channel in both EMEA and in APAC..

Alright. There is a quick follow-up on that one.

Can I also assume that there is less marketing dollars devoted that channel to your contribution margin is perhaps the highest of the three channels?.

Yes. That’s fair..

Great. Right. Then for my other question and I’ll get back in the queue. Alright. So another consumer electronics company recently launched a complementary line of hardware outside its historical focus which leverages a strong branded distribution, which is something I think Sonos could do.

For example, at a high level, how marred are you to solely focus on sound.

Would you consider video? And then same for connected home hardware, beyond sound-related products?.

Thanks for the question, Tom. We have a lot of opportunity remaining in audio we know that people spend about $96 billion a year there. So we have a lot of opportunity to keep expanding in audio and take more and more of that share. And you can bet that’s what we’re focused on.

And I do believe that our brand is strong, and we have a lot of opportunity in other categories over time. But I also think that you need to be thoughtful in terms of how you move into those, how you do it for your own brand and build on your own brand strength and capabilities and all of those things.

But certainly, I believe the Sonos brand positions us to take more and more of that $96 billion in audio and even go beyond that in the long term..

Thanks, Patrick. Thanks, Eddie..

Thanks, Tom..

[Operator Instructions] Your next question comes from the line of Matt Sheerin of Stifel..

Hi, thanks. Good afternoon. A couple of questions from me. First, on the gross margin guidance for the year, could you sort of walk us through how that looks in the December quarter and it plays out through the year? Traditionally, I know seasonally, the gross margin is down because of promotional marketing and that sort of thing.

But then, of course, you’ve got this inventory issue.

So how should we think about gross margins playing out through the year?.

Well, as I said, we expect gross margin to be basically flat year-over-year and within our target range of 45% to 47%. It’s true that, of course, promotions do have an effect but the inventory situation is not going to have an effect. We will be able to work through the inventory we have without doing any extraordinary measures.

And so that’s just going to play out over time. Because we expected to have greater demand and based on the first half of last year, we developed this backlog when demand when demand subsided a bit. But it’s – we’re going to be in a much better position by the end of the first quarter.

And as I said, it’s not going to have a gross margin effect going on through the rest of the year. The big pluses for us on gross margin are going to be a reduction in these extraordinary supply chain costs that we’ve had, air freight, stock buys, etcetera.

but the headwinds will be the FX and the fact, as you pointed out, that we will be doing our usual promotions this year, which – so we balance all that out, we expect to be basically flat year-over-year..

Got it. Thanks for that. And then kind of same question on the OpEx side, you look like you’ve got some meaningful step-ups in expenses. Of course, the commissions being – or bonuses being part of that.

But could you tell us like where those buckets are in terms of the incremental cost? Is it mostly R&D and sales and marketing or across the board?.

Yes. Hey, Matt, it’s Patrick here. The focus has been making sure that we’re investing in our product, which is our engineering and product groups and operations group to make sure that we can continue to scale and raise the bar in the existing categories and then expand into those four additional categories that I mentioned.

And so that’s really where we’ve focused the investment in those people, and we are definitely building for the long-term with those investments. So you will see us – as I mentioned, we’re slowing the pace of investment in fiscal ‘23, and you’ll see those pay off those investments that we’ve made in our people in R&D payoff in the future..

Okay.

Just as a follow-up to that, could you tell me what the headcount of the company is and expectations as you get through the year?.

We’re just over 1,800 now. And so we will be growing that slightly over the course of the year..

Okay, thanks very much..

Your next question comes from the line of John Babcock of Bank of America..

Good afternoon. I guess just to start out, broadly, given the macro volatility and also your guidance, I just want to get a little bit more clarity here. I mean it seems like your revenue range is relatively tight, but at the same time, the adjusted EBITDA range is pretty fraud.

So I just want to get your thinking around this guidance and the key drivers there?.

Well, I think the – we’ve assumed that our – that we – the trends remain stable, right, in terms of kind of where things are. So we’re not economists. We’re not going to guess on what happens in macro, of course, and we’ve been encouraged by the stabilization we have seen across Q4 and obviously, today reporting that we got that right.

And then on top of that, we layer in our expectations based on the resiliency of our customer base and what we’ve seen across the last 17 years in terms of repurchase rates, and then the new products that we have coming and how they factor in as well.

And so we’ve put all of those into the mix in terms of thinking about the year ahead and how we’re going to perform from a top line perspective.

And then we factored in, as Eddie mentioned, hopefully, the transparency helps in terms of understanding will be in that gross margin range, our typical 45% to 47% range for this year, flat year-over-year based on what we can see right now and the give and take on component costs and some of the things that we won’t have to incur that we did this year.

Obviously, product mix goes into that as well and factoring in some things on the new product front into all of that and then hatches out into the way that we’re looking at the investments in the team, that bonus payout, FX all coming down ultimately to the bottom line in terms of where we are.

Eddie, if anything you want to add?.

Just in terms of the spread for what is worth, we actually started out last year with a narrower spread on revenue of $75 million. This year, we went to $100 million, precisely because of the uncertainty.

So I actually think that the EBITDA flow through to the adjusted EBITDA is actually in line with the fact that we’re a little bit wider on the top line as well. So, not really a deviation there. Just given the uncertainty, we have a little bit bigger spread on both ends..

Okay. That’s helpful.

And then given the broader environment, you talked a little bit about inventories, but just was wondering if you were able to provide any more color on where inventories are right now, obviously, from the data kind of tell where inventory is end of the quarter, but I want to get a sense on to how that has trended so far in the quarter and also if there is any detail by channel, for example, how much you guys are holding versus how much retailers are holding, anything you can provide on that would be useful?.

What I would say about that is that for the first time in 3 years, our retail channel is comfortably stocked for the holidays and for the promotions. We just haven’t been able to do that over the last couple of years. And so we’re very pleased to be able to do that this year.

It’s too early in the quarter to provide really any color on what the ultimate sell-through is going to be on all of that. But as I said, we are in a position to burn down a significant amount of the finished goods inventory that we have by the end of Q1, get into a much more normalized position.

So, we think the holiday season will rebalance where we are..

And then, John, just the other thing I would add on there is we – you know our product cycle as well as to most of you on the call, we are not like typical companies that are rushing to refresh or bring in a new season set of stuff. And so our products are long-lived. And so we have time to sell through these products as well.

So, it’s something that we are watching closely. We never want to put too much cash into that. But obviously, bouncing back from what we saw in the first half of last year, and being in a position where we couldn’t capture all of the sales that we would have liked, we feel like we are in a much better position for this holiday period..

Okay. Got it. And then just last question before I turn it over. Just on the Sonos Ray. I was wondering if you are seeing any signs of that cannibalizing the sales for the beam out of curiosity..

Yes. Interesting question. No. And I home theater has been super interesting as a category because we have seen a lot of share gain with the introduction of Ray. Beam remains really strong.

And so – and Arc’s right there as well, sub-mini, so home theater is particularly strong right now, and it’s been great to see both the reception to sub-mini and Ray really taking that top spot across UK, Germany and the Nordics in the entry level interval level.

So, so far, no cannibalization as we think about taking more and more of that $96 billion in audio, I think it shows that having a good, better, best kind of range in these areas make sense and customers are responding to that..

Okay, great. Thank you..

Our next question comes from the line of Erik Woodring of Morgan Stanley..

Hey guys. Thank you for taking the questions. Maybe Patrick, I will ask my first to you and my second to Eddie. I think the slide that you show on the repeat purchase opportunity of $5 billion is extremely powerful.

I am just curious, do you guys – have you been able to measure kind of how long on average it takes your multi-product households to ultimately get to four products.

And then like the second part of that is, if you haven’t seen the single product households repeat purchase yet, what are they looking for and/or what do you need to do to get them to buy more products? And then I have a follow-up. Thanks..

Yes. No, I am glad you picked up on that, Erik, because we have tried to provide a little more transparency around that as well, and it’s something we are very focused in on. As I mentioned, we have been investing in our CDP platform to actually understand this even better and give our DTC team the ability to go after customers in this way.

And so we have really – in terms of – I don’t know how long it takes as we go through it like a specific answer for you. And like we have talked about in the past, it differs depending on where you are. But I will say we have significantly increased the number of people that start with multiple products.

Our DTC team has done a tremendous job this year putting together sets. So, if you are watching the sonos.com site, which I know many of you are, you will see there is many more sets to get started with and that’s become a much bigger proportion of the sales that we are seeing through DTC.

We just ran as part of our early promo of sets promotion, and we saw really good take-up on that. And we know that people that are starting with more than one or even more apt to come back and purchase and do it more quickly. And so what we have also learned through all of this is engagement is so critically important.

And so one of the things that we have been focusing on, and it’s one of the reasons SVC and Sonos Radio are important investments is that if we can get people using it and using it pretty regularly coming out of the gate, we know that’s as well correlated to people making a follow-on purchase and moving from single into multiple.

And so we are really, coming – we are making progress, and we have come a long way in terms of understanding some of those drivers and starting to put more focus into those and having kind of the systems and the teams in order to actually go after that. And so I am excited about the opportunity that’s there.

That’s why we felt it was important to quantify that a little bit because I do think that’s something that we are going to get better at in fiscal ‘23 and beyond..

And Erik, one of the interesting things about that particular metric is it’s just a snapshot in time, right, because we are adding new households, some of whom would be single product households all the time. And so as some product – single product households move up the chain into multiproduct households, others take their place in the queue.

And so that’s the flywheel dynamic we are trying to drive..

Yes, totally clear. That’s really helpful, guys. Thanks. And then maybe, Eddie, my second question for you is, if we just look or if we just assume that revenue in fiscal ‘23 kind of on a quarterly basis grows in line with normal seasonality, it would get you to about $1.5 billion of revenue. Obviously, you are guiding to something higher than that.

And so any dynamics you can share around seasonality that might look different than past years, and/or does this imply that there is revenue that maybe you weren’t able to capture in the last few years because of shortages, that was deferred or not deferred in an accounting stance, but just deferred to the future that you might be able to capture in fiscal ‘23? And that’s it for me.

Thanks guys..

Well, I think it’s very, very tough to look back and think through a seasonality curve because we were so supply constrained over the last year. We couldn’t promote it all. And so it’s kind of distorted the way we see things. I can just tell you what the building blocks of our plan are, and we think that they are rock solid.

As Patrick said, we took a very sober view of what the baseline should be, which is we took the last four months of run rate as the baseline. And that was, of course, a diminished level from the kind of revenues that we were seeing earlier. And then we look at what our NPIs, our new product introductions were going to be for this year.

We don’t talk about a roadmap, but I will just say that they are very exciting. And then we looked at the fact that we are in stock and we can promote. And then we also do a tops-down view where we look at what we expect new household and registration growth to be and do a calculation based on that.

And when we did the bottoms up and when we did the tops down, they really call a last rate around the guidance plan that you are seeing from us. So, we are not sure that looking back over last year’s seasonal curve is really the right baseline. We think we took the right measurements..

Okay. I appreciate the color guys. Thanks so much..

Thanks Erik..

Your next question comes from the line of Brent Thill of Jefferies..

Thanks. Patrick, most economists are kind of predicting things get a little worse before they get better. So, when you are assuming kind of the baseline of what we are seeing right now, I guess why not bake in a little more conservatism based on what’s happening across many of the different sectors.

Can you give us your thoughts on your perspective on that?.

We are not economists, Brent. And I have been at this 25 years. And I think at this point, I am not going to guess at where that economy goes, but I can look at like kind of where things are today and kind of what we have seen. And we took into account a step down that happened in June, kind of what we have seen stabilized.

And then we obviously take input from the channel, and we think about the product roadmap and everything that’s happening. But right now, we feel it’s most prudent to be able to plan. It’s why we have got a little bit of a wider range, as Eddie mentioned in terms of going through it, and we will adjust if we need to as we go through this.

But I certainly feel like it’s prudent where we are today. And I think if the pandemic has taught us anything, it’s that we need to be nimble as we go through this period, and we will. So, we will be watching it very closely. You know we watch it daily because we got registrations and new household data. We are watching that very closely.

And if we need to adjust along the way we will, but we feel like this is a good plan based on what we have been seeing and then as well, of course, the new products that we have planned and coming in the year..

Certainly have some humility around it. There is no question about that. But we also do see the data, and we did put some additional data into the investor deck this year, and I think I mentioned, which is we did show monthly registration trends for the fourth quarter. And we were very heartened by the fact that in July, we were up low-single digits.

In August, we were up low-single digits. And actually, in September, we were up low-double digits. So, we just have to go on the information we have got.

We didn’t take a particular amount of joy in those numbers, but they did give us a little bit of confidence going into this year that that things were as we have been saying over and over again, really stabilized in the business..

And the one other thing, Brent, the one other factor that as we think through this period, and we have seen this from the market share data over the last four months is we believe that given our brand position, given the products that we have right now in our portfolio and what we have planned in the product roadmap, we can be taking share over this period as well.

And so we have seen that. We are going to plan to be able to do more of that. It’s why we have been focused on building the brand we have, the portfolio we have, and certainly that’s something I think that we expect to continue to do..

And just a quick follow-up on the direct-to-consumer channel, I know you mentioned it was down. You have been making some really good progress and understand some of the factors. But it feels like you have got a lot more runway to take that higher as a Sonos customer. Thank you for the Sub is installed.

It just seems like there is an incredible opportunity to take that buyer.

Can you talk through the initiatives and what you are pushing there on the direct-to-consumer side?.

Yes. It’s, we are investing in really the systems and tools to understand our customers better and make sure that we can target on a more individualized basis as well and give each customer the right kind of offer based on the products that they have today and then we know what will make their experience better.

And so I would say that with that, we have been investing to have those systems, have the team in place and be able to make these offers. And I think that will help us drive more growth in that channel for sure. And as you know, I mean I expect that we should be able to – over time, obviously, we have got the macroeconomic uncertainty right now.

But over time, we should be able to drive growth in all of these channels as we go through it. But I do think that the investments we have been making in our systems and tools and our team in DTC set us up for more success in that channel..

Yes. Pretty tough comps, right. 2 years ago, we were up 80%-something. I think last year, we were up 47%. It did dip a little bit, but that’s really because retail is so much opened up, so much more around the world. But as Patrick said, we have very high hopes for being able to continue to grow in DTC..

Thank you, gentlemen..

Thanks Brent..

For your next question, we will turn to Tom Forte of D.A. Davidson..

Great. Thanks. Just three more relatively quick ones for me. So, first one, how should we think about your ability to price locally to offset the impact of the strong U.S.

dollar?.

So, just as a reminder, we did take price in September 2021. And we always want to be careful about not double dipping too aggressively. But we are going to, of course, look at price, especially given the FX headwinds. And so that’s something we will revisit after the holidays, but we have nothing to announce on that..

Great. And then you sort of touched on this in your prepared remarks, but I was hoping you can talk about a little more. So, our competitors reportedly laying out staff in its hardware unit.

From your vantage point, how has the competitive landscape changed over the past year? And is it possible that more companies with diversified business models may scale back their hardware efforts given the current challenging macro environment?.

Yes. Tom, it’s Patrick.

I do think that there has been rumors obviously, of the kind of money that – and we know that there has been some companies that have been in this space and using hardware as a way to get into people’s homes for other reasons, right, other strategic purposes and other ideas they have had about potential services to layer on top that haven’t panned out.

And so I do think you will see more sanity, quite frankly, return to the hardware space in general. And I think the path that we have been on around sustainable profitable growth is something that you see all companies scrambling now to be able to get to. So, I like the fact we already have that discipline in our DNA.

It’s something we always have to keep working on.

But it’s why I believe that right now is an important time to continue to invest in R&D, continue to invest in product and actually go after additional categories because we can do it from a place of discipline, and we can come out of this stronger as others are fearful, we can use it to get stronger and start to enter new categories as well and take more of that opportunity.

And so I do see this period as one-off opportunity for Sonos and setting us up for even more growth in ‘24 and ‘25..

Excellent. Alright. So, last question, I promise.

I think this one is important though, because I think some investors misunderstand the relationship between maybe new housing starts and newer sales, so how should investors think about the sales of your products when consumers move versus when they remodel their homes because they are unable to move?.

I would say you have captured the hang at the right hit, the housing starts and movement for housing sales is down just at the moment. But at the same time, remodeling is up. And so when you talk to our IS channel, which really handles a lot of that sort of thing, you find that they are very encouraged by what they are seeing in the remodel market.

They have a healthy backlog of orders. And so notwithstanding the temporary slowdown in housing starts and in the housing market itself, because of the balance in that channel, we think we are in good shape..

Yes. And certainly, all of those new homeowners from the last couple of years haven’t yet outfitted their house with their sound systems and all of those things.

And this is the perfect way to really in an attainable kind of way to be able to go out and make your home an even better place, right, especially if there is pressures in other areas and as people maybe reduce travel and those kind of things after the swing back then investing in Sonos to make your house a little better is a pretty attainable thing given the price points that we have..

Great. Thanks Patrick. Thanks Eddie..

Thanks Tom..

At this time, we have no further questions..

Great. Thanks Paul. Appreciate it. And thanks everybody for joining the call today. We look forward to talking to you again in February. Take care..

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