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EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT
EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT 2015 - Q2
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Executives

Karli Anderson - VP, IR Tony Jensen - President & CEO Stefan Wenger - CFO & Treasurer Bill Heissenbuttel - VP, Corporate Development & Operation.

Analysts

Andrew Quail - Goldman Sachs Kevin Chiew - CIBC Garrett Nelson - BB&T Adam Graf - Cowen and Company Farooq Hamed - Barclays Jamie Kasprowicz - RBC Capital Markets.

Operator

Welcome to the Royal Gold Fiscal 2015 Second Quarter Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions]. I would now like to turn the conference over to Karli Anderson, Vice President, Investor Relations. Please go ahead..

Karli Anderson

Thank you, Jamie. Good morning and welcome to our discussion of Royal Gold's fiscal second quarter 2015 results. This event is being webcast live and you'll be able to access a replay of this call on our website.

Participating on the call today are Tony Jensen, President and CEO, Stefan Wenger, CFO and Treasurer, Bill Heissenbuttel, Vice President, Corporate Development and Operations and Bruce Kirchhoff, Vice President, General Counsel and Secretary.

Tony will open with an overview of the quarter, followed by Bill Heissenbuttel with an operation update and then Stefan Wenger will provide a financial update. After management completes their openings remarks, we'll open the line for Q&A session. This discussion falls under the Safe Harbor provision of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act.

A discussion of the company's current risks and uncertainties is included in the Safe Harbor statement in today's press release and is presented in greater detail in our filings with the SEC. Now, I'll turn the call over to Tony..

Tony Jensen

Good morning and thank you for taking the time to join us today, before I talk about the financial results I would like to brief you on some recent management changes. As we discussed on our last conference call, Bill Zisch our Former VP of Operations has taken challenges with Midway Gold as CEO. We wish him great success.

We have taken this change as an opportunity to restructure our company. I would like to introduce and welcome Mark Isto, as our new Executive Director, Project Evaluations. Mark is a Former and long term [inaudible] colleague of mine, with over 30 years of experience in mining engineering, construction and project management to Royal Gold.

He joins us from First Nickel where he was Vice President of Operations and prior to First Nickel Mark was Kinross in Senior Technical and Project Development roles.

At Royal Gold, Mark is providing engineering and technical support to our business development activities coordinating the due diligence efforts and also monitoring our current portfolio.

Mark will be based in Toronto to establish our presence there and this is part of Bill Heissenbuttel, Bill Heissenbuttel's role to include operation and Mark will report to Bill. Bill has been a critical part of our management team over eight years and he will benefit from the increased exposure to operations.

I believe these two appointments complement one another with Mark bringing his extensive technical background to our project reviews and with Bill employing his deep understanding of the commercial aspects of our business. Now for a discussion on our second fiscal quarter beginning on slide four.

Revenue was up 16% from a year ago despite a 6% decline in gold price and adjusted EBITDA was up 5% from the same period in 2014. Roughly 1/3rd of our revenue and outcomes from our streaming business with the balance coming from royalties.

The rate of increase associated with revenue is higher than EBITDA because our per ounce payments we make on streams are included in the EBITDA figure. We also increased our dividend by 5% and returned 13.7 million to shareholders in the quarter. Stefan will update you on our financial performance momentarily.

Operationally speaking the second quarter was very strong relative to a year ago, well several properties were on the low end or missed the operator's production guidance, Gold equivalent ounces still increased 23% from the same period in 2014 and the strength of Mt. Milligan and Cortez.

From the business development standpoint we made additional streaming scheduled payments to Rubicon Minerals in the second quarter and finalized the gold streaming transaction with Euromax resources that we announced in October.

And three weeks ago we performed the Peak Gold Joint Venture which fund initial exploration activity at the Tetlin Project in Tok, Alaska. Bill Heissenbuttel will discuss operations and answer any business development questions you may have later on the call. Turning to slide 5, you can see the cumulative gold production at Mt.

Milligan and it has just completed its fifth quarter of production. We have received about 55,000 ounces to-date but there is an additional 47,000 ounces of gold in the system. Gold in the system represents work in process inventory, gold in transit and gold pending settlement.

This inventory is closer to expected city state level of about 50,000 ounces in 2015. And so far in January we have already sold or received about 17,000 ounces from Mt. Milligan thus we expect Q3 to be stronger than Q2. Thompson Creek reported calendar year production at Mt.

Milligan of 178,000 ounces of payable gold and they expect production to increase 20% to 30% in 2015. Estimated cash cost for 2015 of $0.60 to $0.85 per pound on a byproduct basis, illustrate the strength of the upper holding [ph]. On slide 6, you will see an aerial photo of the Phoenix Project in Red Lake as well as the SAG in the ball mill [ph].

In mid-December Rubicon reported that the project construction was over half complete with approximately CAD85 million required to finish the built. They also announced that stock piling of ore on surface has begun in preparation for commissioning the mill.

And we’re encouraged by the results of the 38,000 meter in-fill drilling program which is now complete and demonstrates the continuity and rate of the deposit. Rubicon continues to project a production startup in mid-2015. And now I will turn the call over to Bill..

Bill Heissenbuttel

Thanks, Tony. On slide 7 we’re comparing second quarter versus first quarter gold equivalent ounce production and also year-over-year production results. I will make some initial comments on Mt. Milligan on a quarter-over-quarter basis but then focus more so on comparable quarter results.

You will see that relative to last quarter we had lower GEOs from Mt. Milligan. In Q2, we received 25% provisional payments on three shipments which is a lower provisional than what we received on the first few shipments.

We ended 2014 with six shipments still outstanding, shipment eight which had a 50% balance remaining as well as shipments 9, 10, 11 and 12 which have a 75% balance remaining.

Also outstanding with shipment 13 which is the first shipment on which we will receive gold based on final settlements which is not expected to be more than five months after shipment. Subsequent to December 31, we sold our Q2 inventory of 4800 ounces and have already received final settlements on shipments 8 and 9.

On a comparable quarter basis, Thompson Creek reported payable gold production of 41,000 ounces in the current quarter as opposed to 20,400 ounces in the same period in 2013. The increase reflected the continuing ramp up of the Mt. Milligan mine which commenced production in late 2013.

Average mill throughput during the most recent quarter was just under 44,000 tons per day which represent 73% of capacity. Although mine was able to operate it at over 48,000 tons per day during the latter half of the month of December.

The company anticipates achieving the throughput capacity of the mill by the end of 2015 using contracted secondary crushing during the year. For the calendar year 2015, Thompson Creek is forecasting annual payable gold production of 220,000 to 240,000 ounces, an increase of approximately 25% to 35% over calendar year 2014.

Thompson Creek has also filed an updated technical report for the Mt. Milligan mine that reflects 6.2 million ounces of estimated proven and probable gold reserves at $1250 an ounce gold up from 6 million ounces in the previous technical quarter.

At Andacollo, the reduction in payable gold and concentrate subject to our royalty was below the prior quarter but roughly consistent with previous quarters of calendar 2014.

While our mill production in the third calendar quarter of 2014 which was down 15% in that period due to unexpected mill downtime in September impacted the most recent quarters smelter provisional settlements on which we’re paid.

At Cortez, the increase in production for the quarter was due to increased mining activity on our royalty ground and the absence of ounces shipped to Goldstrike during the comparable period last year.

Although Cortez did not meet the original expected guidance in terms of royalty ounces produced from our ground, we saw progressively increasingly levels of ounces produced from our royalty area in calendar of 2014. At holt reported quarterly production increased as more tons of holt ore were milled offsetting a lower grade.

The milled grade during the most quarter of 4.05 grams per ton compares to an average grade to the mill over the first three quarters of calendar 2014 of 4.87 grams per ton and reflected subsequencing in zone four of the mine.

At Mulatos, gold production in the fourth calendar quarter was nominally higher on a quarter-over-quarter basis but was lower than expected as the commissioning of the San Carlos mill was slower than anticipated and recoveries were below the target of 75%.

Recovery at the mill is estimated to remain at approximately 60% while the company addresses identified throughput issues.

And finally Peñasquito announced payable gold production of 567,800 ounces for calendar 2014 which slightly exceeded the companies guidance range and the company is forecasting 2015 payable gold production from the site of 700,000 to 750,000 ounces.

Metal grades at Peñasquito are expected to be lower in the first quarter of calendar 2015 with increasing grades from the Penasco pit seen during the remainder of the year. The Northern Well Field project remains on track to be completed in mid-2015 and is expected to be able to service the long term water requirements at Peñasquito.

The pre-feasibility studies for the Concentrated Enrichment Process were essentially completed at the end of calendar 2014 and these projects are being integrated as they enter the feasibility study phase which is expected to commence by the end of the first quarter and be completed in our early calendar 2016. I will now turn the call over to Stef..

Stefan Wenger

Thanks, Bill. On slide 8 I will briefly talk about some important points from the financial results we reported this morning. With comparison to the prior year quarter revenue of 61.3 million was up 16% driven largely by Mt.

Milligan, our DD&A rate was $397 an ounce for the quarter down 28% from $548 an ounce in the same period a year ago, again reflecting greater contribution from Mt. Milligan. Our effective tax rate for the quarter was 22% compared with 37% in the prior year quarter.

We reported a loss for the quarter of 6.5 million or $0.10 per share compared with net income of 10.7 million or $0.16 per share.

A few comments on the loss, we recently received a revised mine plan and resource update from Yukon Zinc regarding The Wolverine project and we became aware that the project was in the process of being placed on care and maintenance.

This information triggered an impairment analysis and ultimately resulted in a non-cash charge related to The Wolverine royalty of $0.33 per share. After this impairment adjustment, EPS would have been $0.23 per share and our effective tax rate would have been 26%.

The Wolverine non-cash charge included $26 million impairment associated with the caring value of the royalty as well as a $3 million write-down of the outstanding receivables related to past production. While the impairment charges are disappointing it's important to put Wolverine in the right context.

For the 12 months ended September 30, 2014 Wolverine contributed only 1.4% of Royal Gold's total revenue. Turning to slide 9, you will see that our liquidity position continues to strengthen with nearly 1.2 billion in total liquidity, we had 950 million completely uncommitted after deducting all current and contingent commitments.

We have also generated over a 160 million in operating cash flow over the last 12 months which gives us great flexibility to balance return of capital to shareholders with growth. I will now turn the call back over to Tony..

Tony Jensen

Thank you, Stefan. I'll leave you with three key themes to watch in 2015. The first is growth. Mt Milligan's ramp-up is well underway and we continue --we will continue to benefit from that increased production.

Beyond 2015, we now expect 9% higher annual production from Mt Milligan for the first five years based on our recently updated technical report. Phoenix is slated to begin production midyear and will further enhance our growth profile of our streaming business.

And as Bill mentioned, Penasquito's expected to have notably higher production in 2015 and we look forward to positive results with their metallurgical enhancement projects which could increase production and extend the mine life. The second theme is quality.

On slide 10, I want to give you a sense of the portfolio strength following Yukon Zinc's change in mine plan and decision to put Wolverine on care and maintenance. Through the end of the September quarter, the average gross margin amongst our producing properties was 55%.

The blue diamonds on the slide represent our carrying value of each asset and you can see the lower margin operations have relatively small book values. So despite the unfortunate situation at Wolverine, most of our operators have continued to report healthy gross margins at their properties. I'll finish on slide 11 with the third theme, opportunity.

Even though we added several new pieces of business over the last year, our balance sheet remains one of the strongest in the industry.

We remain confident that royalty and stream financing is an attractive cost of capital for counterparties and we will continue to work with companies to evaluate the true cost of financing alternatives and address their unique issues. This is the time to grow our portfolio. With that operator, that concludes our prepared remarks.

Will be happy to take any questions..

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. And our first question comes from Andrew Quail from Goldman Sachs..

Andrew Quail

Just a few questions this morning, one on Mt Milligan. I suppose looking at slide 5 which you highlighted, Tony, I mean, are we looking at that 50,000 ounces that's in the system, is that something that's going to, I mean, not blow out any further? I mean, I think it's more of a timing issue, obviously with the shipments.

But is it now we're at a steady state where production and sales are pretty much - because I mean it looks like production, I was there not long ago, but I think production's going pretty well, but the sales are sort of lagging for reasons and that's fine.

But now is it at a steady state where we can model so we get closer to the EPS, I suppose going through 2015 and beyond.

Is that 50,000 there and not going to shrink or expand?.

Tony Jensen

Thanks for the question Andrew, that gives me a chance to elaborate a little bit more on that. We have seen strong production from Mt Milligan over the course of the year, but realizing that as in any increasing production, you build inventory and that's really what's happened.

So we haven't got the full benefit of the production, but now that inventory is built and we think that 50,000 ounce number is reasonably good as an estimate.

It represents essentially five months of delay between production and payment and as Bill mentioned, there is a contractual obligation where they have to pay us within five months and then we sell three weeks after we receive it. So now, that's going to move around a little bit.

If production increases in one particular quarter, that inventory will go up just like it does in any business and will probably draw down inventory a bit and lower [inaudible] production. But that's a reasonably good level we believe, to have a steady state going forward..

Andrew Quail

Maybe on Phoenix, obviously it looks like it's on target to start mid-2015.

What do you think is a reasonable timetable to sort of expect sort of first revenue for Royal Gold?.

Tony Jensen

I would imagine that underground mines take a bit of time to start up. I think it's more the underground development aspects of the project than anything else until you reach full capacity in the stokes. I'm sure we'll likely get a payment by the end of this calendar year.

But I think we're pretty modest in what we have built in for the second half of this year..

Andrew Quail

As far as just wanted to touch on Yukon Zinc. I don't know what the cost is there at the product company, but zinc's actually looking pretty good compared to most other sort of commodities at the moment, surprising they've done that, that's up to them.

Are there any other, I mean of the 37, do you see other - I mean you have had the chart saying where you guys sit on the cost curves and all that.

How many other of those 37 streams do you think, even if they're 1% of total revenue, that we could see over the next sort of 12 months be put on care and maintenance or shut?.

Tony Jensen

Well, again, the portfolio's pretty robust. There are a couple, though that we keep a watchful eye out for. There is some higher cost producers that may be able to improve their production profile and their cost structure. The ones that I think that we are most concerned about at this time would be [inaudible] in Burkina Faso.

Apart from that, we really are just in a very important information gathering quarter where we get all of the reserves and resources generally from our producers and then Stefan, as he does every quarter, will go through any kind of impairment test, but we really don't think we have a tremendous amount of exposure or even much exposure at all outside what I've just mentioned..

Andrew Quail

Okay. And last one, I just want to circle back, one more on Mt Milligan obviously, going pretty well.

If there was a need to put in the secondary crusher permanently which it might look like, would there be a scenario where you would be open to putting any more money into that project?.

Tony Jensen

Well, that's an interesting question. First of all, we haven't been presented with that scenario. So it's a bit of a hypothetical at this point. As you know and we've talked about a number of times in this call, we want to make sure that when we invest in a project.

We don't push the operator or the project itself up to a cost curve point that it just doesn't - it's a vulnerable project and so we're very pleased with the kind of cash cost you see coming out of Mt Milligan right now. So I don't think it's a cash cost issue. I think the project can support more streaming, if need be.

And for us it would just be a decision on wealth concentration in one asset. And so we if we were presented with the hypothetical, we would take that into consideration..

Operator

Our next question comes from Kevin Chiew from CIBC. Please go ahead with your question..

Kevin Chiew

I had a question on Mt Milligan. I guess in this last quarter they talked about a little bit of weakness in grade and recoveries. Just wondering, based on your understanding, how that kind of plays out. Obviously, the guidance would suggest that operations are improving..

Tony Jensen

Yes. So, indeed they are. We continue to be pleased with how the throughput is ramping up.

As Bill mentioned, they were able to achieve 80% and that was the goal, just right at the end of the year and with the commitment to having a contractor provide the services for secondary crushing and some additional work that continued optimization that happens in the plant all the time, along with optimization of blasting in the pit.

I think these things are very positive to be able to get up to the 60,000 tons a day by the end of the year.

But frankly, I've always said that getting the last 20% on a project's the most difficult thing to do and I would just like to emphasize, even where we're at right now, this is a tremendously strong project for us and it's a tremendously strong project for Thompson Creek. So we're quite pleased with that.

With regard to gold recovery, there's some work to do there yet. There are some modifications that Thompson Creek is looking to do in the circuit to continue to improve that and it's just a little too early for us to be able to dial in on one specific number there, Kevin.

But this is a very normal ramp-up and I think things are going pretty good overall there..

Kevin Chiew

Okay. And just I think we talked about this before in terms of the timing of shipments and gold sales for Royal Gold for Mt Milligan. Just once again, just wanted to, maybe if you guys could comment on whether or not you expect any sort of gap just with now the switch over to 100% on final settlement..

Tony Jensen

Yes. I think it's going to be a rather smooth transition when we come off all of our provisional payments. Of course, it all depends on how production does between now and that payment transition comes to us. But we don't really look for a big falloff, Kevin at this point.

We engineered that step-down, if you will from 75% provisional to now where we're at, at 25% on the last four shipments to be a rather smooth and gradual thing because we wanted to prevent that step-down. Of course, putting something on paper and having it happen in reality are two different things, but I think it's going to come out reasonably good.

But bear with me if there is a little bit of a transition there. We'll just have to see how production happens..

Kevin Chiew

Right. And then maybe turning over to Penasquito. I noticed for the reported production and based on kind of what they produced on a full-year basis, there is a little bit of a difference there. I get about a 15,000 ounce gold difference there. Just wondering if you could maybe talk about what that difference might be..

Tony Jensen

Well, as you know, there is - Penasquito produces concentrate for the bulk of their metal and so production would normally take into consideration everything that's work in progress, as we talked about at Mt Milligan and ounces that are on the water and everything else or sorry - pounds in their case, that might be on the water.

So I think I would attribute that to the difference between production and sales.

Bill, do you have any further comment to that?.

Bill Heissenbuttel

No. I just think it's very hard. Gold Corp, has not other than payable gold production, Gold Corp, has not reported what they did for the fourth quarter and there is always going to be a difference between what we're reporting as production because that's really production subject to our royalty where there has been a settlement payment.

So that would really be the difference..

Kevin Chiew

Right. Okay. And then I guess this quarter the other category came off a little bit. I was just wondering if there was one particular royalty in there that came off a lot or what that's attributable to..

Tony Jensen

Yes, Kevin, we don't have that detail in front of us. I don't think there's anything significantly large, but let me ask Karli to call you, get that detail and call you after the call to make sure. And anybody else that happens to be interested in that information, please give Karli a note and we'll make sure we provide that data..

Operator

Our next question comes from Garrett Nelson from BB&T. Please go ahead with your question..

Garrett Nelson

I think you mentioned it, but how many total shipments have been made at Mt Milligan through the end of December?.

Bill Heissenbuttel

Through the end of December, 13..

Garrett Nelson

Okay.

So you're over the 12 shipment threshold?.

Bill Heissenbuttel

Correct..

Tony Jensen

Well, let's clarify that.

You've been paid on through nine, right?.

Bill Heissenbuttel

Through final settlement..

Tony Jensen

Final settlement through nine?.

Bill Heissenbuttel

Yes. Shipment 13 is on the water..

Tony Jensen

10, 11 and 12 that have provisionals that are going to be - or sorry finals that are coming to us and then our first 100% of final shipment 13's on the water..

Garrett Nelson

And then your DD&A per ounce has been coming down the past five or six quarters.

Do you have an update on the DD&A per ounce we should be modeling for the rest of your fiscal 2015?.

Stefan Wenger

Yes. Garrett, this is Stefan. We continue to project an overall DD&A rate per ounce of $400 to $450 an ounce for the entire year. We were just below the low end of that range for this quarter. We're seeing stronger production from Mt Milligan which definitely brings that rate down.

But this quarter as was noted too, we had somewhat lower contribution from some of the other royalties in the portfolio. So I think we'll be at the lower end of that $400 to $450 range for the full year, but still within that range..

Operator

Our next question comes from Adam Graf from Cowen and Company. Please go ahead with your question..

Adam Graf

Just a couple of quick questions. Congratulations, guys, on the quarter. Maybe just a follow-up to Andrew's question and a follow-up to slide 10.

Other than [inaudible] any other of your active royalties or near-term royalties that would become active look to be negatively, potentially negatively impacted by the slip in base metal prices that we've seen recently?.

Tony Jensen

Yes. I'm just taking a mental review of that, Adam and I don't have anything specific there that would come to mind. We've got Robinson in Nevada that is a higher cost producer, but we haven't seen any evidence of stress there yet.

So I really don't - I'm looking at the team here, I don't think there is anything else that comes to mind on the base metal side..

Adam Graf

And then maybe just a couple of quick questions on a couple of your Nevada royalties.

I noticed going through some of the Barrick presentations and quarterly financial disclosures that they have been doing some exploration under the Cortez Hills pit thinking about potentially deepening that pit as it's there, probably their best cash flowing operation.

Have you guys been talking to them about that or been keeping your ear to the ground there and how that could potentially impact, if they were to expand that pit further than the mine plant, how that could impact or delay your pipeline royalty flows?.

Tony Jensen

Yes. So, Adam you know that we know that asset very, very good. I was the mine manager there for four years and we discovered Cortez Hills - I should say the explorationist at our project discovered Cortez Hills during that tenure. Unfortunately, from Royal Gold's standpoint that's off of our ground.

So any expansion there is not benefiting us from a royalty standpoint, but the nature of your question I think is more along the lines how could it negatively impact and maybe offset other ores that we do have a royalty on? And I think that's a bigger issue for the open pit than it is from the underground.

I would expect that there'll be continued success in the underground there and potentially more reserves discovered and mined than what are currently on the books. But our significant delays were associated with the high volumes coming out of the open pit.

And given the nature of that deposit and the geography where it's right up against Mount Tenabo, I don't think additional layback is likely there..

Adam Graf

Yes, it seems unlikely because of that high strip..

Tony Jensen

Yes, it's just right up against Mount Tenabo..

Adam Graf

Yes.

And they can't steepen those walls any more than they are, do you think?.

Tony Jensen

I think really their future lies in the underground at Cortez Hills for that project..

Adam Graf

Yes. And then also in Nevada, Leeville is supposed to be undergoing a significant ramp-up in throughput and I was wondering if you had any contact or any color from Newmont about how that is going to actually come about over the next year, several years. Obviously you guys have an interest there..

Tony Jensen

Right. And I think no to be direct to your question, we don't have any significant color when it comes to additional throughput and how it might benefit us, but that is a maturing asset for us and a lot of the future is going up to the north off our ground away from what's called four corners.

So I think a lot of Newmont's focus is going to be up in that area, Adam..

Adam Graf

Do you have any forecast on when they might be fully off of your ground? It seems to me like that would be some time away..

Tony Jensen

Yes. I mean we've gone down in production there as they continue to mix on and off our ground, but I think we're going to have some residual production there for quite some time..

Adam Graf

And then finally, at Twin Creeks, I know that's a very small royalty for you. But Newmont was supposed to be undergoing a major stripping campaign that was supposed to then benefit ore throughput there starting in 2016 and they've kind of quietly mentioned that they're slowing down that program.

And I was curious if you guys had any further color on that, even though I know it's a very small interest for you guys..

Tony Jensen

Yes, it is a very small interest for us, and we haven't, at least to my ears, we haven't any new information with regard to whether they're going to continue at a full pace there and provide an expansion or not. But really, when you look at our overall portfolio, it's such a de minimis piece..

Operator

Our next question comes from Farooq Hamed from Barclays. Please go ahead with your question..

Farooq Hamed

I actually wanted to focus on Voisey's Bay with my question and more specifically, what is your understanding of the timing when the nickel concentrate will begin processing at the Long Harbour facility?.

Tony Jensen

We understand that they're going to be putting more and more Voisey's Bay into Long Harbour during the course of this year, but we think that's backend weighted. We have no settlement statements or anything that suggests that any of our ore has been processed there yet.

But they have spoken about the fact that they're transitioning from Indonesian nickel mat into Voisey Bay nickel mat during the course of this year..

Farooq Hamed

Okay.

So if it's calendar year backend weighted, then you're thinking that's really going to start affecting your fiscal '16 as opposed to fiscal '15?.

Tony Jensen

I think that's accurate. That's our best guess at this time let me put it that way..

Farooq Hamed

Okay. No, that's fine and then what about magnitude of difference. So in your release you kind of mention that it would be a significant reduction in royalties based on the calculation that has been proposed. So we've seen a gradual decline at Voisey's Bay over the last few years and in 2014, we're at roughly 25 million.

How big a decline directionally or in magnitude are you expecting, once it kind of converts over to Long Harbour?.

Tony Jensen

Right. Well, let me just come back to what we've said publicly in our written remarks, that we have had discussions with them that we have not been able to agree on what the proper treatment is for the royalty calculation. And nothing has been set in stone from what we understand.

So we aren't going to be able to answer your question with any kind of specificity until we get our first shipment, but we did want to put in the comment that some of the proposals would result in a very significant reduction. So we're telling you just exactly what we're able to at this time, realizing that this is an active litigation..

Farooq Hamed

Okay. No, that's reasonable. Just want to switch gears a little and go to Cortez.

So just kind of on the back of Adam's question there, what do you know of kind of Barrick's plans for 2015 there in terms of sourcing ore from your line, so from pipeline and gap?.

Bill Heissenbuttel

Yes, we do have the ability to get that information. At this point given the timing, given the calendar, we just don't have that information quite yet and as Tony said, this quarter is particularly important for us in terms of getting sort of reserve updates and production forecasts..

Tony Jensen

That's a very accurate answer. We will, in April, be coming out with all of our guidance for the course of the year and we just don't have the detail yet. And the life of mine plans differ quite a bit from what the actual budget is for the year.

So Farooq, give us a chance to get that in, but generally speaking, I think we still would expect them to be largely on our ground like they were this year..

Farooq Hamed

Okay. And then maybe one last one on Mt Milligan. So I guess Thompson Creek has made comments that they're not going to invest in that secondary crusher until market conditions improve.

Can you give us some more color in terms of what that means?.

Tony Jensen

Well, I think it's one of capital allocation at the present time. What I read into that is that they see the benefit in the secondary crusher and in the short term it makes more sense from a capital allocation standpoint, to pay for that out of operating costs through a contractor than it does for them to capitalize that at the present time.

But I think there is a clear interest for them to look into the long term there and when they believe it's the appropriate time, to put in a permanent secondary crusher. So that's about all the color I can't give to you on that. Hope that makes some sense..

Farooq Hamed

Okay. No, that's fine. I'm just kind of wondering about this ramp up to the 60,000 tons per day level. And in fact I guess their updated technical report actually implies north of 60,000 tons per day. It implies closer to 61,000 tons per day for the next few years or actually for a number of years.

And so I'm just wondering, I guess right now the plan is to do that through contractors until that--.

Tony Jensen

It is. That's what we understand to be the case and Mt Milligan is very, very approachable. And I would encourage you to call them and see if you can get additional color, but I think what they've said is pretty transparent. They're just going to start with the secondary crusher, but use a contractor service for that..

Operator

Our next question comes from Jamie Kasprowicz from RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead with your question..

Jamie Kasprowicz

Just wondering, two questions.

One, can you remind me if you guys get to participate in any of the Goldstrike ore processed as part of the thiosulfate project that Barrick is currently expected to ramp up?.

Tony Jensen

To the extent, Jamie, that any of the ore that came off our ground went through that process, the answer's yes. And they move ore in several different directions there and we actually track it to its source. So I would anticipate yes. I don't the detail of how much would likely go through that process..

Jamie Kasprowicz

Okay.

So we could see a bit of a bump in revenues assuming a flat gold price into the next few quarters at least, maybe?.

Tony Jensen

Yes. I would be cautious about expecting too much there. I look at that as a pretty mature and steady state producer for us..

Jamie Kasprowicz

You guys noted in the release you remain active in evaluating additional business opportunities. You have ever $950 million in uncommitted liquidity. You've had that on the balance sheet for maybe about 12 months now.

I'm just wondering if you could comment on anywhere you're seeing opportunities in the space in terms of precious metals or other and basically what the size of those opportunities would be.

Are you shooting for $100 million to $200 million or $300 million deals or larger or smaller? Are we going to see a series of smaller transactions with longer-dated production or more immediate streams? Like what are you thinking around that?.

Bill Heissenbuttel

Sure. I think your stated range of $100-plus million would really be our sweet spot. The problem with the business is you cannot predict the size of the opportunities or the timing of the opportunities when they come. We would love to do a couple of $200 million deals, but that may not be what we see at any one particular time.

I will tell you that if you look historically, going back a number of years, there has typically been a deal that's north of $500 million and a billion plus sort of one a year since 2010, if you will. And so I will say, yes we have a lot of uncommitted liquidity on the balance sheet.

At the same time, it's important, when you're standing in front of the operators who want to raise significant dollars, you want to be able to say that I'm there for that money for that investment. So that really it lends credibility to what we do when we're marketing our streaming product..

Tony Jensen

And Jamie, I would just add to that this is a time where we've seen a full range of opportunities, from precious metal producers that need help putting their projects through feasibility and maybe we'll participate in that on what I call success based investing where we put a little bit of money in and then we lever that up with the optionality of putting bigger money in once the risk is taken out.

So we see those opportunities. All the way up to helping major miners, whether it be precious metal or base metal, restructure their balance sheet. So it's a wealth of opportunities out there and the one thing I always say is, I send a bit of a mixed message when we talk about this.

We're going to remain disciplined and we're going to also remain with the quality bend on everything that we do. So we're patient, but we're positioned..

Jamie Kasprowicz

Maybe just a very quick follow-up on that.

So for the larger miners, are you seeing generally speaking, anything sort of open up more in the base metal side of things where they perhaps have some gold byproduct production?.

Tony Jensen

I don't want to comment on anything specific, but I think it's appropriate to say that we're seeing opportunities across the board..

Operator

And, ladies and gentlemen, we've reached the end of the allotted time for today's question and answer session. At this time, I would like to turn the conference call back over to the management for any closing remarks..

Tony Jensen

Well, thank you for joining us today. We very much appreciate your interest in Royal Gold. Just a wealth of wonderful questions and if there are any other further questions, Karli will be more than available to answer those. Once again, we look forward to updating you on our next quarterly call. Bye for now..

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, that does conclude today's conference call. We do thank you for attending. You may now disconnect your telephone lines..

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