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EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT
EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT 2021 - Q3
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Operator

Thank you for standing by. This is the conference operator. Welcome to the Origin Materials, Third quarter 2021 Earnings call. As a reminder, all participants are in listen-only mode and the conference is being recorded after the presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. .

I would now like to turn the conference over to Ashish Gupta, Investor Relations. Please go ahead..

Ashish Gupta

Thank you and welcome everyone to Origin Materials, Third Quarter 2021 earnings conference call. Joining the call today from Origin Materials, our Co-CEO Rich Riley, Co-CEO and co-founder John Bissell, and CFO Nate Whaley. Ahead of this call, Origin issued its third quarter press release and presentation, which we will refer to today.

These can be found on the Investor Relations section of our website at originmaterials.com. Please note that on this call, we will be making forward-looking statements based on current expectations and assumptions which are subject to risks and uncertainties.

These statements reflect our views only as of today, should not be relied upon as representative of our views as of any subsequent date. And we undertake no obligation to revise or publicly release the results of any revision to these forward-looking statements in light of new information or future events.

These statements are subject to a variety of risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from expectations. For further discussion of the material risks and other important factors that could affect our financial results. Please refer to our filings with the SEC, including our quarterly report on Form 10-Q.

In addition, during today's call, we will discuss non-GAAP financial measures, which we believe are useful as supplemental measures of Origin Materials performance. These non-GAAP measures should be considered in addition to and not as a substitute for or in isolation from GAAP results.

You will find additional disclosures regarding the non-GAAP financial measures discussed on today's call. The press release issued this afternoon, and our filings with the SEC. Each of which is posted on our website. The webcast of this call will also be available on the Investor Relations section of our Company website.

With that, I will turn the call over to Rich..

Rich Riley Co-Chief Executive Officer & Director

Thank you, Ashish, and thanks to everyone for joining us today. For today's presentation, we will be referring to the slide or posted to the Investor Relations section of our website earlier this afternoon. I will start by reviewing Q3 highlights, then discuss important industry announcements and provide a commercial update.

I will then turn it over to John who will discuss construction progress on Origin 1 and Origin 2, Nate will wrap up with a financial overview. We will begin on Slide 3. We continue to make steady progress against our strategic initiatives.

First, we were pleased to complete installation of the key production modules at Origin 1, 6 months ahead of our plan, announced in April 2021. In addition, we are reaffirming our expectations as to capital budget and production timelines for Origin 1 and Origin 2.

Second, our customer demand has quadrupled since our announcement to become a public Company in February with off-take and capacity reservations increasing by over $700 million since the second quarter call in August to $4.2 billion as of today. And third, we remain well-capitalized with $459 million in cash and equivalents on hand.

We reaffirm our expectation that the capital projects for Origin 1 and Origin 2 can be fully funded from our existing cash on hand and previously indicated traditional project financing sources. Now I would like to give a brief overview on the Company for those who are new to the story.

Origin was founded with the mission to help solve climate change by enabling the world's transition to sustainable materials.

Our patented drop-in core technology, economics, and carbon impact have gained the support of a growing list of major global brands and investors, including the known Nestle Waters, PepsiCo, Ford Motor Company, Mitsubishi Gas Chemical, Kolon Industries, PrimaLoft, and Solvay.

Kolon Industries is the new addition to our growing list of partnerships with major chemical companies, all of whom we view as potential partners and not competitors. The CPG companies mentioned that publicly disclosed their intent to migrate 100% of their current petroleum-based PET consumption to de -carbonized in recycled materials.

After extensively testing our technology, these market leaders have made significant financial contributions to Origin, both as investors and customers, demonstrating their environmental commitment and confidence in our technology. They have signed multiyear uptake in contracts worth hundreds of millions of dollars.

We continue to see strong, favorable tailwinds for our technology in business model. As evidenced by the recent United Nations Climate Change Conference, or COP 26, the world continues to make commitments and take actions to reduce global greenhouse gas emissions. A problem majority is uniquely positioned to address.

According to a study by the Ellen MacArthur Foundation, the carbon emissions from plastic are widely underestimated. The study finds that under our business as usual scenario, by 2040, plastics could account for 19% of the total emissions budget allowable if we are to remain below a 1.5 degree Celsius increase in global warming.

According to another report, plastic industry pollution is expected to overtake coal pollution in the U.S. by 2030. U.S. plastic production creates at least 232 million metric tons of greenhouse gases according to the report, with another 55 million tons expected by 2025 if the 42 plants currently planned or under construction in the U.S. come online.

It is beyond a doubt that with more than 99% of plastics made from fossil fuels, we need to dramatically transform the way the world produces and uses plastic as fast as possible. With our first product, Origin offers an entirely circuit or plastic solution.

100% recyclable PET, which the world's plastic recycling infrastructure is already designed to collect, sort, and reuse with the critical added benefit of removing CO2 from the atmosphere.

We believe that making PET plastic from sustainable would residues is a unique and powerful solution that meets the most pressing environmental challenges of the day. With over 1/5 of the world's largest public companies committing to zero-carbon mandates to help tackle climate change.

We expect the strong demand environment to continue and remain well ahead of our projected supplies for the foreseeable future. Turning to slide 4, we continue to make steady progress commercializing the business. And have grown customer demand by more than $700 million since our second quarter earnings call.

For a total of $4.2 billion of off-take agreements and capacity reservations, more than quadrupling over the last 9 months. Moving to slide 5, we recently announced a strategic partnership with Kolon Industries to industrialize advanced carbon negative chemicals and materials.

Kolon Industries, a global leader in chemicals and materials, signed a multiyear capacity reservation agreement to purchase sustainable carbon negative materials from Origin. Those materials include novel polymers and drop-in solutions for select applications, with an initial focus on automotive applications.

The partnership includes development work aimed at commercializing polyethylene furanoate ( PEF ), a polymer with an attractive combination of performance characteristics for packaging and other applications, including enhanced barrier properties when compared with polyethylene terephthalate ( PET ), degradability and other qualities.

Origin's technology platform is expected to produce cost competitive, sustainable, carbon negative FTCA. The primary precursor to PEF. Cologne Industries has deep expertise and novel FTCA based polymers, including PEF. We're thrilled to work together to enable our shared vision for a net 0 material economy.

Our partnership reflects both companies commitment to sustainable innovation included in the automotive sector.

Additionally, last month we announced that we joined the Drive Plus platform, which is a group of 11 of the world's largest automotive manufacturers, including Volkswagen, Daimler, Ford, Stellantis and Toyota Motor Europe, among others, aiming at further developing sustainability along the automotive supply chain.

This partnership will allow us to collaborate with drive sustainability partners on raw material standards, carbon neutrality, and other key sustainability topics in the automotive supply chain.

This drive plus partnership expands our existing strategic relationships within the automotive sectors, including Ford Motor Company, Mitsubishi Gas Chemical, and Solvay.

We expect our zero-carbon chemicals and materials platform to be deployed across a diverse array of mobility applications, including fabrics, plasticizers, seed foams, engineered polymers, tires, and hoses to name a few. During the quarter, we also announced our partnership with the alliance to end plastic waste.

Which includes industry leaders across the plastics value chain working towards a common goal of developing, deploying, and scaling solutions to help in plastic waste in the environment.

In addition to exciting customer and partnership announcements, this quarter, we announced that Origin Materials was awarded the sustainability leadership award by the business intelligent groups 2021 sustainability awards program for our patented category-leading breakthrough technology built around converting low-cost nonfood feedstocks into de -carbonized supply chain ready materials.

With that, I would like to turn it over to John, who will provide an update on Origin 1 and Origin 2..

John Bissell Co-Founder, Co-Chief Executive Officer & Director

Thanks. I'm going to begin on slide 6 and provide an update on Origin 1 and Origin 2. First, since selecting Worley as an engineering partner in Q3 2021, Origin has updated its payment schedule for Origin 1 after incorporating detailed feedback from equipment suppliers and contractors while reaffirming the total Origin 1 project budget and schedule.

Additionally, Origin is reaffirming the previously disclosed capital budgets and production timelines for Origin 2. Capital budget continue to include substantial communities for unforeseen events as is appropriate for projects of this size and phase.

We continue to monitor construction costs and timelines to assess the impact of macroeconomic movements such as inflation and supply chain disruptions. And while we have seen the escalation of costs and extension of scheduled for more commodity items such as carbon steel backfills, and electrical equipment.

Those escalations and extensions remain inside of our previously disclosed budget and off of the critical path to the Origin 1 schedule. For Origin 1, we expect to incur capital costs later than our prior projections, but we continue to expect the construction of Origin 1 to be completed by the end of 2022.

The lifting and installation of previously fabricated key production equipment modules was completed in October 2021, 6 months ahead of our plan, announced in April 2021 and 2 months ahead of the accelerated schedule we announced last quarter.

As such, we expect piping fabrication that begin by the end of Q1 2022, one quarter ahead of our prior schedule. For those that aren't deeply embroiled and building an operating plant during your day job. There's a significant amount of piping and electrical work that goes into construction plants of this sort.

I like to think of it as the vascular system of the plant. And then that analogy, perhaps the pieces of the process equipment are the organs.

Notably the actions that will allow us to move that fabrication forward are a combination of our internal team and contractors in Sarnia, Canada working together to identify and capitalize on an opportunity presented by getting the modules up early.

This result comes from good engineering, good project management, and good craft folk, all working together as a team. Additionally, the N-COM evaporator module installation is expected to be completed by the end of Q4 2021.

More than 3 months ahead of schedule, as we previously expected to receive the N-COM modules by the end of Q1 2022, The end operator module system, by the way, is used for recovery in regeneration of the aqueous phase of our proxies of stand alone but important part of how we recycle water in the plant.

As you can see, while we've made significant accelerated progress on Origin 1 by the installation of key production modules and moving ahead with certain key milestones, to be prudent, we're still maintaining our overall schedule for completion by the end of 2022. Similarly, Origin 2 remains on track for completion by mid 2025.

We've appointed Worley as our FL1 engineering partner. Further, we're working with Worley, Deloitte, and Fisher to select the site for Origin 2, which we expect to choose by the end of 2021 and announce in Q1 2022 in line with our prior forecasts.

We've shortlisted 3 finalists, and we are currently conducting our final diligence negotiations for these sites. One of which we have purchased an option on. And our diligence include things such as environmental, engineering and workforce settings to inform our final decision.

Additionally, we remain focused on adding engineers and capital projects personnel as the planning construction of Origin 2 proceeds. On Slide 7, as you can see, there's a before and after image of the concrete pad and a completed module installation.

We had the concrete pad present for our last earnings call, but we've now taken the modules which we're on a different part of the site, brought them over, lifted, and placed the modules on the foundation and bolted them down.

You can see there 14 vertical modules in 2 roads of 7, 2 horizontal modules, which you can see end on and 17 module that is quite a bit smaller sitting next to the 2 horizontal modules, You'll let this basis between the modules. There are a few connecting beams which provide sure support, but there isn't much connecting module to module.

That's where the piping and additional interconnecting steel and walking platforms will go. The second thing to look forward would be the piping connecting the modules to the tank farm, the process building and the rest of the site. Steam, electricity and cooling water will be supplied to the of site infrastructure.

So we'll be connecting all of that to the pipe racks that you can see behind the modules. I'll also take a moment to point out a few other aspects of the site that have changed. On Slide 8, you can see that we put in place the foundations for the tank farm.

Tank farm to the fluid storage for the site and we will contain solvent intermediate materials and of course final products. We've also included a 3D model of the tank farm and an overlay to give you a sense of what it will look like once it's finished.

On slide 9, you can see progress on the process building, which has a few process pieces that aren't in the production modules. And again, you can see that we have poured foundation, and we've also included models and an overlay. What this all means is that we're significantly end o the ground, which is very important to Canadian winter.

Surprisingly, frozen ground is a lot more challenging to work in and consequently, we can get through the winter much more productively than we'd originally expected. On Slide 10, you can see one of the module list. These are all incredibly impressive, which is ideally synonymous with boring.

The crude used to 500 ton main crane and a 150 ton tailing crane and tandem. The 500 ton credits in the back, we've got the hold of the majority of the module await. But if you want to transition from horizontal or vertical to be controlled, that's where the second crane comes in. This is all a great example of slow and smooth, smoothest apps.

It was an extremely well-trained crew, doing a well-planned lift, safely in timing coordination. They were moving modules over, getting them rigged up, lifting them, setting them down, it was like puzzle all the way through. People in Sarnia really know what they're doing.

I can't say enough good stuff about the engineers, the local contractors in Sarnia, the freights men and of course, our project construction management team. They set the standard for what good it's supposed to look like. On Slide 11, you can see what happens if the modules are positioned before final placement.

Here is the module held up by the crane and as they're coming into final position, you can see these craftsman positioning the module by hand over the anchor bowls. Generally speaking, the tolerance for the module placement is about a half inch, across between 16 and 24 bolts.

Each of these modules weighs about 70 tons plus minus and as a consequence, there's a lot of work and planning that goes into this. Measure a lot of times, cut once. On Slide 12, you can see all the modules up and some of the cranes we used in module placement as well.

Altogether, we had an incredibly successful module installation about 6 months ahead of our plans announced in April 2021, and we can continue to expect the construction of Origin 1 to be completed by the end of 2022. And with that, I'll turn it over to Nate to discuss some of the financial details..

Nate Whaley

Thanks, John. I'll begin with some commentary on our third quarter results to provide a financing update for Origin 2 and finish with our 2021 outlook. Speaking to slide 16, third quarter operating expenses were $7.1 million compared to $2 million during the same period in the prior year.

Adjusted EBITDA loss was $5.7 million for the third quarter compared to a loss of $1.9 million in the prior period. And finally, net income was $27.9 million for the third quarter compared to a net loss of 3.1 million in the same period in the prior year.

Turning to our balance sheet, Origin ended the third quarter with $459 million in cash and cash equivalents. We are pleased to reaffirm our expectation of fully funding the construction of both plants using our existing balance sheet cash and cash equivalents, and previously indicated traditional financing sources.

Leading financial institutions that have expertise in financing similarly sized capital projects continue to confirm that our financing assumptions for Origin 2 are reasonable and executable.

As discussed previously, we anticipate having approximately $100 million of excess cash beyond the capital budgets for Origin 1 and Origin 2 for any unforeseen contingencies in addition to contingencies already included in our capital project budgets. Finally, we have received many questions on inflationary pressures.

As John mentioned earlier, we are continually updating our cost estimates in real-time. And based on the current inputs we've received from vendors and suppliers, I'm pleased to report, projected construction costs are still within the overall capital budget.

Wrapping up with our full-year 2021 outlook, we continue to expect an adjusted EBITDA loss of up to $25 million. Capital expenditures are expected to be approximately $45 million, which is less than our prior outlook due to payment schedule refinements since selecting an engineering partner.

With that said, consistent with John 's overview and update on our construction progress of Origin 1 and Origin 2, I would reiterate the refinement of our payment schedule has no impact on the total capital expenditures and the pace of construction progress is on schedule. With that, I'll turn it back to Rich for closing remarks..

Rich Riley Co-Chief Executive Officer & Director

Thank you, Nate. I would like to close by thanking our customers for their commitment to Origin, our team, and construction and engineering partners for their contributions to our Company's success, and our shareholders for their continued support. And with that, thank you, everyone. We appreciate your time today.

I would like to ask the operator to open the line for questions..

Operator

We will now begin the question-and-answer session. . You will hear a tone acknowledging your request. If you're using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing any keys. We will pause for a moment as callers join the queue. The first question is from Frank Mitsch, from Pharmion Research. Please go ahead..

Frank Mitsch

Hey, good morning, folks and congrats on the progress on Origin 1, really enjoyed looking at the pictures. And also was struck by the site selection on Origin 2, you noted that you're down to 3.

Can you talk about just in generalities what tax incentives you may have received in that process?.

Nate Whaley

Sir, Frank this is Nate Whaley. First, just to remember the tax incentives and state local government support are all comes typically as during site selection and once the site has ultimately been selected.

So we don't have anything to concretely report at this point, but look forward to continuing to update everybody as we make it through site selection..

Frank Mitsch

But investors should anticipate that you are getting some a fair amount of government support. I would imagine..

Nate Whaley

Absolutely..

Frank Mitsch

Okay. Alright. Terrific. And look forward to more there. And obviously congrats on the up sizing of the contracts up to over $4 billion. And you announced the venture with Kolon Industries, and one of the areas that you are looking at is getting to PEF.

I was just wondering if you have a timeline or just in generalities, how do you envision that partnership going?.

Rich Riley Co-Chief Executive Officer & Director

Yes. Thanks, Frank, this is Rich. I'll start and maybe John can add, but very excited to partner with Kolon, a leading Korean chemicals and materials Company for those that may not be familiar with it. And it's a meaningful partnership in terms of contract to buy materials.

But also, as you mentioned, to do development work aim at commercializing PEF, which is a polymer with a very attractive combination of performance characteristics for packaging and other applications, enhanced barrier properties, degradability, and other qualities. And we really think of it as a next-generation PET.

And Kolon has very deep expertise in novel FTCA based polymers, including PEF. So we are excited to partner with them on this next-generation material..

Frank Mitsch

Great and is this something. Sorry, go ahead, John. Sorry..

John Bissell Co-Founder, Co-Chief Executive Officer & Director

Yes, no problem. I was just going to say Frank, I think from our perspective, that PEF is an incredibly interesting polymer and the key with PEF is it's -- it's just had too much costs baked into the process of producing it.

And our view was that with our platform, we can not only bring their carbon footprint down for a polymer like PEF, as we can and just like with PET, what we can also bring the cost of producing PEF way down by supplying our intermediate term to that non - ..

Frank Mitsch

Well impressive progress folks keep up the good work. Thanks..

John Bissell Co-Founder, Co-Chief Executive Officer & Director

Thank you..

Operator

The next question is from Steve Byrne from Bank of America to please go ahead..

Steve Byrne

I was interested in the $4.2 billion of capacity, reservations and softwares.

Can you talk any more about -- is that over a certain number of years, is that CMF based, how much of it is based on tolling all the way to PET? Can you provide a little more color on exactly what is that?.

Rich Riley Co-Chief Executive Officer & Director

Sure. Thanks, Steve. This is Rich. I'll take that one. So the $4.2 billion is really an apples-to-apples number with the $3.5 billion that we announced in August and the $1 billion we had back in February. And so it's the cumulative value of our contracts that include capacity reservations.

And off-take agreements and capacity reservations for those who haven't heard us explain it before, are really letters of intent that include the product, the quantity, the price, the duration. They're approved at the highest levels of our customers, and frequently issued joint press releases.

And that then gives us time to convert that capacity reservations into a take-or-pay contract, which is a much longer document and is primarily to support the project lending on the plant. But at this time we're not providing more details in terms of how the $4.2 billion is allocated across plants or products..

Steve Byrne

And the facility you are building in Origin 1 will produce CMF.

Am I correct on that? And can you give an update on the selection of the toller that can convert that all the way to paraxylene and or to PET?.

John Bissell Co-Founder, Co-Chief Executive Officer & Director

Yes, Steve. Thanks for the question. Yes. You're right. The facility that we're building for O1 is really -- principally producing CMF. And the intent there as I think we've talked about before, but it bears repeating is, the intent with Origin 1 is really to produce CMF.

At quantity it enabled us to go develop applications other than PET, so it's really going to that variety of applications that are performance improved applications.

So that's everything from -- and we've listed some of these illustrative areas in our presentations before, but things like surfactants, other polymers, there are lots of different areas here. And so as a consequence, there -- it's not really 1 tolling facility.

At least the way we think about it right now with the way that the applications are working out, it's certainly 1 single tolling facility that is the critical tolling facility because if you're making surfactants, for example, that's a different structural tolling and equipment that's required in order to process CMF into surfactants then it would be to make a polymer of some sort depending on the power of course.

There's a network of these. Obviously, we have some intent with the initial material that's being made. We're not going to try to boil the ocean right off the bat on one. And so we have strong intent there. We are to the point that we're starting to disclose that supply chain specifically.

But we do have a really, really good idea of exactly how we would like to do that. And we have active relationships with the parties in that supply chain that we think will provide the first products coming out of O1. It's quite well-developed, it's just not something we're disclosing out..

Steve Byrne

And any additional color on the contracted demand for HTC that you have coming out of Origin 1.

Any new uses for that product that are being explored?.

Rich Riley Co-Chief Executive Officer & Director

Yes Steve, great question about our HTC product. As I mentioned, we're not breaking out the $4.2 billion into a constituent products and plants.

But I will say we continue to make great progress with HTC and working with partners across -- across various applications that we've talked about in the past, including as a fuel source, as carbon black replacement, and those kind of applications. So we continue to make good progress and feel good about our HTC product..

Steve Byrne

Thank you..

Rich Riley Co-Chief Executive Officer & Director

Thank you..

Operator

The next question is from Eric Stine from Craig - Hallum. Please go ahead..

Eric Stine

Hey, guys. Thanks for taking the questions. If we -- just thinking about the capacity reservations, just curious, obviously the off-take agreements, as you said, much larger documents, but capacity reservations are also -- are pretty involved.

Is there anything and I don't know if you can give a blanket statement on this or not, but is there anything that would trigger that move from a capacity reservation to an off take, whether it's you get a certain amount closer to whether it's Origin 1 or Origin 2 coming online or is it anything that might help that move from one category to the other?.

Rich Riley Co-Chief Executive Officer & Director

Yes, great question. So there's a few catalysts, but certainly to really secure the materials. And so to take that letter of intent into a firm take-or-pay contract is the ultimate way the customer has -- will be receiving those materials.

And as our plans continued to sell rapidly and we continue to believe that will be sold out by the end of next year on both plants., there's a real catalyst for customers to convert those contracts..

Eric Stine

Got it. That's helpful. And you mentioned that you think you'll be, by end of next year sold out, in advance of that as some of your customers clearly are global.

Any thoughts? Are you to the point where you're potentially starting to sell up plant 3 in plant 4?.

Rich Riley Co-Chief Executive Officer & Director

So what I can -- what I can say about that is that we are and have been for a while now taking orders on Origin 3. And we'll certainly -- we've into sole intentions to build origins 3, 4, 5 plus.

So we will keep entering into contracts with customers as we -- as they have demand for our products, and as the pricing meets or exceeds our financial forecasts, and that's our game plan..

Eric Stine

Got you. Maybe last one for me. And this is just kind of something for me to clarify, but I mean, is your goal or does it make any sense to keep any of these plants, some of the volumes open for spot sales or is that just not how this industry works and you would really want to have everything under contract..

Rich Riley Co-Chief Executive Officer & Director

It's a good question. I mean, the primary thing we think about when we say sold out, is sold out to support project financing. And so there can frequently be call it 10% to 20% of a plant that would be still available and still somewhat flexible.

But what we're focused on is selling out the vast majority of the plants, support the project financing on the construction schedule, and to keep doing that..

Eric Stine

Okay. Thank you..

Operator

The next question is from Bob Koort from Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead..

Emily Cacon

Hi this is Emily Cacon for Bob.

The first question I wanted to ask is, in which end markets does Origin see the most room for future growth opportunities right now?.

Rich Riley Co-Chief Executive Officer & Director

Hi Emily, It's Rich. Great question. Just to give everybody some context for the end-market journey that we've been on back in February, our $1 billion of orders were entirely in the packaging space.

And today, with $4.2 billion and we have customers in the apparel space and in the automotive space and in the industrial space and our pipeline goes well beyond that. So I can tell you that we continue to think that the apparel and textile space is very promising for us the automotive space is also an incredible one for us.

We announced our Drive plus partnership. This quarter we announced our partnership with Kolon and our previous partnerships with Ford and Solvay, which are automotive focused. With the automotive industry tries to de -carbonize, transition to sustainable materials, and remove weight from their vehicles.

There's just an incredible opportunity for us there. But our pipeline includes cosmetic companies and toy companies and companies from really across a wide range of industries that we continue to see a lot of engagement from..

Emily Cacon

Okay, great. And one more question from me.

Are there any scenarios that you can see right now where Origin 1 could actually start up ahead of schedule?.

John Bissell Co-Founder, Co-Chief Executive Officer & Director

Thanks Emily. This is John. I think what we're looking at is even though we've hit a couple of milestones early, we've got the modules lifted and its place for our way. We're anticipating, continue to push through the winter. I think we're making really good progress on that project. We want to be prudent.

And at this time, I don't think we're ready to say that we're going to be delivering early on Origin 1. But we really do feel like by getting some of these milestones out of the way, it just takes a lot of risk off of that, it just lets us feel really comfortable that we're going to deliver that pretty easily on time, I think..

Emily Cacon

That's helpful. Thank you..

Operator

The next question is from Pavel Molchanov from Raymond James. Please go ahead..

Pavel Molchanov

Thanks for taking the question. You referenced the commodity inflationary pressure with regard to steel and the other construction aspects. If we kind of flip that around to think about the commodity inflation across the petrochemical value chain. But at the same time, bio-based feedstocks as well.

When you net those things out, are you seeing more appetite for purely from an economic perspective, from the food and beverage manufacturers, for example..

Rich Riley Co-Chief Executive Officer & Director

Yeah, Pavel. This is Rich. I would say, the customer demand we feel, feels like it's on a fairly steady increase in terms of demand. And it actually -- it feels in many ways more macro than recent changes in inflation or supply chain disruptions or stuff like that.

It really feels driven by these companies commitments to reach net zero in 2030, 2040 and to transition their materials from fossil-based feedstocks to sustainable ones. And so we're really working with them to solve these big challenges that they have.

And it feels like the urgency keeps getting more urgent and the willingness to engage and work on this. But it doesn't really feel directly connected with recent changes in inflation or supply chain or things like that..

Pavel Molchanov

Yes, that's very clear.

Build back better, is there anything in there that is relevant to Origin, either from the advanced manufacturing tax credit perspective or on the demand side of the equation in terms of the actual product?.

Rich Riley Co-Chief Executive Officer & Director

Yes, it's a good question. Maybe I'll zoom out and just talk about our regulatory efforts overall. So we don't have any specific insights on legislation to share at the moment, but we've been very encouraged with the growing wave will of legislation build back better and others to federal state, local levels here in the U.S. and around the world.

And we are becoming more active in this area. And so we're closely tracking the relevant legislation initiatives around the world. And many of them do include substantial investment in production, tax credits, grants, subsidies.

There also Summit include excise taxes imposed on fossil-based plastics and other various regulatory schemes that would drive people towards our carbon negative non-fossil technology so that we are optimistic that the build back better legislation will be beneficial for us, as well as the Reduce Act, which is a legislation that would impose a $0.20 per pound tax on certain virgin fossil-based plastic..

Pavel Molchanov

Okay. Last question. One of the things that's happened since the call 3 months ago is the reelection of the labor or liberal government in Canada, where of course, Origin 1 is located.

Is there anything from Trudeau's post-election agenda that is, again, a rack relevance to your operations there?.

John Bissell Co-Founder, Co-Chief Executive Officer & Director

Yes. Good question. We haven't seen something that is directly relevant to our Canadian operations at this point.

Generally speaking, I'd say the Canadian government has had a pretty consistent -- it may not always -- I will comment on whether it looks consistent from the up better different perspectives from our perspective it has always felt like a pretty consistent push for renewable technologies.

And I'd say it's been a friendly environment for us through multiple -- many years of operations there. We're pretty pleased with both the local, state, and the federal government behavior, let's say, and interactions with us on our operations in Canada..

Pavel Molchanov

Thank you very much..

Rich Riley Co-Chief Executive Officer & Director

Thank you..

Operator

This concludes the question-and-answer session, as well as today's conference call. You may disconnect your lines now. Thank you for participating and have a pleasant day..

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