Welcome and thank you for joining Oaktree Specialty Lending Corporation's Fourth Fiscal Quarter and Full Year 2020 Conference Call. Today's conference call is being recorded. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode, but will be prompted for question-and-answer session following the prepared remarks.

Now I would like to introduce Michael Mosticchio of Investor Relations, who will host today's conference call. Mr. Mosticchio, you may begin..

Michael Mosticchio:.

Thank you, Mike, and welcome, everyone, to our fourth quarter and full year 2020 earnings conference call. We appreciate your interest in and support of OCSL and we hope everyone listening is well. We are pleased to report our fiscal year 2020 ended on a strong note.

We reported NAV per share at year-end of $6.49, up over 6% in the quarter and down less than 2% for the year. Our NAV staged an impressive recovery from the decline in the March quarter when the markets concern over the impact of pandemic was at its peak. The rebound was $1.15 per share, recapturing 91% of the decline in that quarter.

We had another strong year of origination. During the year, we originated over $800 million of new investments, representing over half of the value of our portfolio at the start of the year. Notably, a large portion of our originations occurred during the post-COVID period..

Thanks, Matt and good morning everyone. After the March quarter’s historic sell off and risk assets, credit and equity markets rebounded over the late spring and through the summer months.

This was fueled by improving economic conditions and consumer sentiment, reports of progress on COVID-19 vaccines and extraordinary fiscal and monetary stimulus, which boosted investor confidence, liquidity and the availability of credit.

Equity valuations remained lofty, especially in the tech sector and in the credit markets, spreads of both high yield bonds and senior loans continue to tighten from the wide levels of March. Much of the improvement, however, occurred during the first two months of the quarter.

September and October proved rockier, a confluence of concerns, including the standstill in Washington on additional fiscal stimulus and the US elections weighed on investors. Additionally, confirmed COVID cases and hospitalizations continue to rise across much of the US.

However, given the recent use of progress towards the vaccine and with the uncertainty of the election behind us, the equity and credit markets have resumed their rally. The economy too grinds ahead but is still facing some headwinds. Given this backdrop, we continue to approach new investments defensively.

We believe the economic strain produced by COVID-19 will be felt for several more quarters. Elevated unemployment and muted GDP growth are likely to persist. More than ever, it is important to be wary of market exuberance and to avoid chasing risky investment opportunities.

We remain focused on protecting the downside in our investments and seeking appropriate compensation for risks taken. Because Oaktree invests across multiple markets with diversified issuer bases, we're able to skew our portfolios toward more stable and lower risk sectors.

Currently, this means a focus on companies that are largely unaffected or even positively impacted by COVID. We're finding interesting opportunities in life sciences and technology companies, which are helping to provide healthcare solutions and cater to the stay at home economy.

In addition, we're seeing direct lending opportunities in support of leverage buyouts of businesses and improving resilience in the face of the pandemic. We're also lending the businesses that are not easily underwritten via traditional cash flow based methodologies..

Thank you, Armen. OCSL delivered another quarter of solid financial performance, which also contributed to strong full year results. For the fourth quarter of fiscal year 2020, we reported adjusted net investment income of $24.5 million or $0.17 per share, up significantly from $16.8 million or $0.12 per share for the third quarter.

The increase was the result of higher investment income and was partially offset by higher net expenses. During the quarter, total investment income was $43.6 million, up from $34.4 million in the June quarter.

The increase was due mainly to higher interest income resulting from increased make-whole interest, OID acceleration and higher prepayment fees on loan payoffs. We also experienced a slightly higher average yield on our floating rate debt investments despite LIBOR being down again for the quarter.

The higher make-whole interest and fee income quarter-over-quarter was mostly due to the prepayment of the NuStar loan, which generated over $8 million of nonrecurring interest income and fees in the fourth quarter. Net expenses for the quarter totaled $19.1 million, up $1.4 million sequentially.

The increase was primarily driven by higher part one incentive fees, mainly due to the increase in investment income. This was partially offset by lower interest expense due to the decrease in LIBOR and lower borrowings outstanding. Turning to credit quality.

During the quarter, all of our portfolio companies made their scheduled interest payments with the exception of one company that, consistent with prior quarters, made its interest payments in kind. As of September 30th, we had two investments on nonaccrual, representing 0.1% of the total portfolio at fair value, down from 0.2% in the prior quarter.

Moving to the balance sheet. During the quarter, we funded $146 million of investments and received $184 million in payoffs and exits. Our net leverage ratio decreased to 0.74 times from 0.83 times at June 30th, reflecting both the increase in NAV at $38 million in net payoffs and exits.

We are presently just below the low end of our leverage target range of 0.85 times to 1.0 times. As of September 30th, total debt outstanding was $715 million and had a weighted average interest rate of 2.7%.

Unsecured debt represented 42% of our total debt at year-end and our next scheduled maturity is in 2024 when our credit facility comes up for renewal. At year end, we had total liquidity of approximately $324 million, including $39 million of cash and $285 million of undrawn capacity on our revolving credit facility.

Unfunded commitments were $158 million, although, only $94 million of this amount is eligible to be drawn immediately as remaining amount is subject to certain milestones that must be met by portfolio company. As Matt noted, in October, we expanded the capacity of our revolving credit facility by $75 million, adding a new lender.

Our total commitment is currently $775 million and our pro forma availability on the facility is $350 million. Shifting now to the Kemper joint venture. As of September 30th, the JV had $313 million of assets invested in senior secured loans to 56 companies. This compared to $315 million of total assets invested in 53 companies last quarter.

Assets were basically flat quarter-over-quarter as the increase in the market value of its investments was offset by payoffs and exits. Leverage at the JV was 1.3 times at year-end, down slightly from the June quarter. Now I will turn the call back to Matt..

Thank you, Mel. While the environment continues to be uncertain, we nonetheless generated strong operating results for the fourth quarter and full year. The defensive repositioning that we have carried out since 2017 has largely been completed. We actively deployed capital during the year, and we feel good about our current holdings.

As Armen noted, our overall pipeline of potential transactions remain strong and we expect to continue to identify compelling investment opportunities in fiscal 2021. However, we will remain patient and disciplined as we believe there will be an increasing number of opportunities that will arise over time as the pandemic persists.

We believe that OCSL continues to be well positioned to increase return on equity going forward. We will continue to position the portfolio for an improved yield by rotating out of lower yielding investments and into higher yielding proprietary loans. During the fourth quarter, we sold $57 million of these types of investments.

As of year end, $145 million of senior secured loans priced at or below LIBOR plus 4.5% remained in the portfolio. We also have the ability to increase returns by deploying more leverage at the portfolio level.

As Mel mentioned, we were operating just below the low end of our long term target of 0.85 times to 1.0 times, so we would expect to continue to enhance returns as we make incremental investments and deploy higher leverage.

However, we will only grow the portfolio as we find opportunities that are consistent with our investment approach that we believe offer an attractive risk reward. Finally, the Kemper JV continues to present an opportunity for us to improve returns. As of year end, the JV was levered 1.3 times and had $82 million of investment capacity.

We believe that the prudent growth of the JV will also be accretive to ROE over time. In conclusion, we are proud of our strong fourth quarter results and the progress we made towards our ongoing strategic objectives in fiscal 2020.

We are also looking forward to the impending merger with OCSI as we believe that this combination benefits shareholders of both OCSL and OCSI through scale, portfolio diversity and expected earnings accretion.

We are excited about the future for the combined company and remain confident that we will continue to identify new attractive risk adjusted investment opportunities that are consistent with Oaktree's disciplined, risk controlled approach, enabling us to deliver improved returns to our shareholders.

Thank you for joining us in today's call and for your continued interest in OCSL. With that, we're happy to take your questions. Operator, please open the lines..

Our first question today comes from Devin Ryan with JMP Securities..

First question here just on liquid credit market. Just curious what you guys are seeing there at the moment, and whether you're still seeing good risk reward and putting capital to work, obviously, been pretty substantial snapback in valuation.

So just trying to think about kind of going forward, how you expect to position there?.

Yes, I mean look, the liquid credit markets have rebounded pretty meaningfully. We started seeing it in the summer months with fed action signaling pretty strong support for the markets, which created a technical that resulted in meaningful inflows into high yield mutual funds and ETFs.

That really lifted bond prices in July especially and pretty strongly in August as well. The loan market lagged a little bit but has had a strong few months overall and that's been really fed by CLO origination, CLO new issuance coming back pretty strong as senior loans.

In the summer months, we're trading in the high 80s, low 90s and that's on a levered basis, the way CLOs are, it's a pretty attractive return there on equity for CLOs. And so we saw a lot of CLO issuance, which lifted prices. I would say that today the deeply discounted names in the liquid credit markets are deeply discounted for good reason.

I mean, our estimation generally not providing attractive risk-adjusted returns we do see pockets of value here and there. But broad-based, if you were to look at discounted names in the bond market or the loan market, the general feedback would be that prices have probably rallied in excess of what fundamentals would suggest.

But again, Oaktree relies on bottoms-up credit analysis, so it's not like our liquid credit businesses nor our strategic credit business that oversees management of the BDCs is not finding some opportunity here and there. But it's not deeply discounted and I wouldn't say it's terribly liquid either..

And just thinking bigger picture here around credit. Obviously, we had the big recovery in price. Yet were in some pockets, maybe going to a little bit more stress to the extent there's another lockdown across parts of the US.

And I'm curious how you think about kind of keeping some dry powder to potentially participate if you do get dislocation, or maybe you guys don't expect that to happen? I'm curious kind of the outlook there..

We expect some dislocation. We can't point to a specific catalyst other than the rising cases globally of the coronavirus. If you look historically at the lag in hospitalizations and unfortunately, deaths from coronavirus versus when the rise in cases or diagnosis picked up, it's usually about three or four weeks.

So there may be a little bit of an impending spike here in hospitalizations heading into year end. So that may be a catalyst to the downside. But away from that, it appears that the election volatility and potential social unrest around the election is behind us. So I think that's kind of a more near-term catalyst in terms of the COVID situation.

Longer term, I think there are many industries that did lever up during the pandemic period that may have a tough time producing the cash flows in the sort of medium term to sustain those debt loads. And there may be stress on those capital structures, and so we're watching that closely.

You're not seeing it right now because the market is essentially not looking out far enough to determine solvency or valuation for a lot of these businesses a year or two down the line. What the market is more focused on is month-over-month improvement in performance, management of liquidity in the short term by these companies.

And generally speaking, most businesses, even those that are directly impacted by the coronavirus, have had at least month over month improvements, generally speaking, other than maybe one or two very hard hit sectors. So the net of it is, we do expect volatility. We do have dry powder.

You'll notice that our leverage multiple actually came down in the quarter, really because our pace of originations slowed in the quarter versus prior quarters this year. We saw fewer attractive rescue lending opportunities.

And a lot of positions that we took on during the second and third calendar quarter, third and fourth fiscal quarter have traded up nicely. And the prospective return, given the risk associated with some of those names, didn't make sense for us to continue holding them, so we were sellers of paper in our fourth fiscal quarter.

So that kind of explains why our leverage is down quarter-over-quarter.

And also with the expectation that we'll see some volatility in the coming few quarters, even though there is positive news around the vaccine, we don't think that, that positive news will translate into positive performance, fundamental performance of a lot of these businesses for several quarters ahead..

And then just a quick follow-up here on the SLF JV, I appreciate some of the detail.

I'm just curious if there's any expectation that the fund will resume paying dividends at some point in the coming quarters?.

Matt or Mel, do you want to take that one?.

For the SLF JV, we're happy with that portfolio and we expect that it's going to continue paying cash to OCSL going forward..

Our next question comes from Kyle Joseph with Jefferies..

Congratulations on a nice quarter and a nice wrap-up of last year. I think first question for Mel. I appreciate the color you gave in terms of -- I think you said there was $8 million in terms of kind of onetime interest and fee income.

Can you give us a sense for how that was broken down between interest and fee income? I'm just kind of asking for what your run rate interest income would have been in the quarter..

So the fees were primarily from the NuStar repayment. There was about $4.7 million of make whole interest and $1.5 million of OID acceleration and a prepayment fee of about $2.2 million. So that was reflected above the line in our net investment income..

And then in terms of originations in the quarter, obviously, the yields on them were very strong and above the portfolio yield. But at the same time, they're primarily first lien. So that's not something you typically see when you're moving up the capital structure and get a corresponding lift in yields.

Are you just able to source unique deals, is there any change in terms of the competitive environment out there? I mean, it's definitely a compliment that you're able to do that but I want to kind of understand how you're able to do that..

So our originations in the quarter were certainly -- we were very actively using the Oaktree resource network and market reputation, and looked at some interesting and large situations during the quarter that ended up pricing pretty wide. We did talk about the two sort of bigger deals that we did in the quarter, Immucor and New Ag.

And in both of those cases, pretty attractive risk adjusted returns but frankly, hard to understand situations at first blush. If you were to spend 30 minutes, especially on New Ag and you were to look at it, I think a lot of more traditional direct lending oriented investment managers would say, that's not what I want to do.

There's some construction risk associated with it. Now from a structuring perspective, that's one of Oaktree's strong suits. And we structured that incredibly well with a lot of downside protection. I don't want to get in too much into the details of how we're getting that downside protection for a variety of reasons.

But we were able to get a very attractive return on that investment with a level of downside protection that one would equate closer to being more from an investment grade counterparty. And it just took a lot of turning over stones to find a deal like that.

In the case of Immucor, we have a close relationship with a variety of different private equity firms, TPG being one of them. And this was a life sciences business that we knew well, had tracked for years in our liquid credit businesses.

And when the pandemic hit, we reached out to the company and to TPG and asked, what can we do broadly in your portfolios? What can we do specifically with Immucor, knowing what the maturity schedule looks like and what the performance of the business looked like retrospectively as well as prospectively, because the company had gone through a refresh cycle in its product.

And felt really good about that because we just knew the credit well and leverage the liquid performing credit part of Oaktree's platform to give us insights and be sort of first in line, frankly, with the sponsor and the company there.

And we were able to leverage the entirety of the Oaktree platform to speak for the entirety of the second lien there, as well as a very large portion of the first lien. And so we were able to really deliver a solution to TPG that they were able to build around. So that's why we did as well there. And rescue lending, generally, we've done a lot.

We did a few deals in the summer months.

And that was during a period of time that a lot of investment managers and direct lending side were having a little bit of indigestion with the current portfolio, as well as a mismatch between their assets and liabilities with mark-to-market on their liabilities, which generally tend to be short-term liabilities versus some potential issues rising up in their portfolio.

So we found that in the second and third calendar quarter that the competitive dynamic was certainly more attractive for a firm like Oaktree where we tend to run less levered portfolios, we tend to have pretty conservative underwriting. And so we were able to step in and take advantage of that air pocket in the markets..

And then last question for me, repayments were elevated in the quarter. From your commentary, it sounds like that was more you guys being proactive in taking advantage of market conditions rather than companies being taken out or refinanced.

And I know how fluid the market is, but given your commentary, would you expect sort of repayments to remain at elevated levels or kind of come down in the following year?.

Yes, I want to be careful not to provide forward-looking guidance. I would say market conditions currently post election continue to be very strong. We would expect to see some level of repayments, some level of rotation out of our liquid credit portfolio.

I don't want to comment on our pipeline, but we do have a pipeline that is attractive and robust that we continue to work on. As you know, we do focus a lot on nonsponsor lending and it's a little bit chunkier and harder to predict the timing of.

So that's why it's hard for me to give any sort of guidance, even if I were allowed to, on a go-forward basis, just given the nature of our originations being so heavily weighted towards nonsponsor. But yes, the markets are pretty strong.

And I would expect even some of our private situations may repay just because a very large portion of our portfolio has actually performed very well through COVID, frankly, above our expectations. So I think you should expect that there will be some repayments. I just can't quantify how much..

Our next question comes from Finian O'Shea with Wells Fargo Securities..

First one on the leverage target of 0.85:1. Can you expand on kind of what goes behind keeping that there? I think, Matt, you talked a bit about how far the portfolio has come on a quality perspective and leverage facility improvement as well.

Is there anything still holding back a more normal target of, say, 1:1.25, is it a ratings consideration, or is it just the market environment? Or do you see this as a long-term sub 1:1 leveraged vehicle? Any color there on if this is a journey for you in leverage or if this is a more permanent state?.

So I think looking out kind of longer term, I don't really comment on that because I don't think we're really looking at it that way. I think we look at it really in the quarter or next six months or that environment. And we feel comfortable based on what we see right now, 0.85:1 is the right level.

We like it, the reading users like it, it just feels right. And what will change that will really be kind of the investment environment when the investment environment improves, like it did in March, April, we actually took our leverage, that's when we took our leverage up. The environment now, as you've seen, taking the leverage down.

So as we see things right now, the 0.85:1 seems like the right level, kind of works for all of our constituents. But that could change, I don't think it will change tomorrow but that could change down the road if we see kind of a more interesting investment environment. So I wouldn't say it's always going to be 0.85:1.

It really depends on what we're seeing on the investment side. We have plenty of capacity both in our credit facility as well as we have great receptivity and great bond market. So it's not really driven by kind of capital. It's really driven by the investment environment that we're seeing.

And I think that will dictate when we kind of lean in and lean out as it relates to leverage. So hopefully, that answers your question. I don't think I'd do it forever this way but right now, it feels good, it feels right..

And then to a part of the same broader topic on the dividend, that's still at a very low portion of book. I think you're starting to pay a little bit of excise tax there that does I guess for one, part one, does your understanding OCSI will reduce your spillover per share.

But for one, you'll be in a better spillover situation, which you seem to be building up. And then as well, if you don't lever that much higher, the income doesn't go that much higher, all else equal.

What are we -- does this delay -- do these two things delay the trajectory of continuing to raise the dividend? I think as sort of was expected, understandably, we just went through COVID-19 volatility and LIBOR getting cut.

So this first while dividend raise is likely appreciated but does it continue, and what are the moving parts there?.

So we raised the dividend in the last two quarters and part of that was actually driven by COVID in terms of taking advantage of the investment environment COVID created to put more assets in the BDC at higher yields, which generated more income.

So COVID actually was helpful in terms of the dividend for us, given the investment activity we did during that period. LIBOR is obviously -- LIBOR coming down was obviously a headwind.

So I think for us, as we do about the dividend for this quarter, given the strength of the quarter in the portfolio and as we saw things going forward we thought it made sense to increase the dividend. We did -- the quarter there was, as Mel mentioned, kind of the onetime items or incurring items around NuStar. So we wanted to adjust for that.

But it's not -- the dividend was not -- so the dividend is really kind of, as we think about the portfolio, the income coming out of the portfolio. To date, tax has not an issue, there’s been just spillover or other in our dividend.

And I don't think -- I think with the OCSI merger, OCSI will kind of clean out all the spillover, so that -- I don't think that will have an impact. So I don't think it's tax driven. I think it really is driven by the investment income coming out of the portfolio and how we see things progressing.

Adjusting for onetime items, I think being conservative on the dividend with the view that increasing NAV is a good thing as well. So those are kind of all the things that we put into the equation as we speak to the Board and think about the dividend..

Our next question comes from Ryan Lynch with KBW..

First one was just in your prepared comments, you kind of spoke about, I would say, two different investment strategies. You had the one strategy where you were going to focus on companies that were really unaffected or benefited from the COVID downturn that may kind of be in the life science or technology sectors.

I would think that's a strategy where almost all direct lenders are really looking to pile in right now to these unaffected areas, which could create some pretty fierce competition.

And then on the other end of the spectrum, you talked about seeing some companies that are not easily underwritten by traditional cash flow method that might fit into that category of New Ag. So can you maybe just talk about those are kind of different ends of the spectrum, I would say, of kind of an investment strategy.

As you guys look out at your current pipeline today, are you seeing more opportunities more in those kind of spaces that are mostly not affected by COVID, or are you seeing more of these unique opportunities that are more complex issues?.

So life sciences, we can actually fall into both of those categories. So the reason life sciences are hard to underwrite or understand is a lot of life sciences businesses just don't have on a consolidated basis positive free cash flow.

So when you look at it from a debt-to-EBITDA perspective or a cash flow yield perspective, you'll start kind of twisting yourself up in the knot. But life sciences is also a sector that is either neutral or positively correlated with COVID. So I wouldn't separate life sciences between one bucket or the other.

In fact, it's I would say, more squarely in the bucket of hard to understand, hard to underwrite. On the industries that are neutral or positively correlated, you're right that we are seeing a lot of competition on the sponsor side for sure.

So to the extent there's leverage buyout activity and we're being approached by intermediaries or sponsors to provide pricing for new loans, I would say, generally speaking, two observations. One is the number of deals that sponsors are considering today are lower than they were pre COVID.

And the reason is COVID-sensitive industries are no longer candidates for LBO, at least now. And so that part of the market is kind of quiet.

But to the extent that a sponsor is looking at a deal that is doing fine through COVID, what we're finding is most of the direct lenders out there are back in business and looking for deals and frankly, are competing very heavily for those types of deals And so we are seeing pricing and legal terms on that subset of the deal flow that is almost the entirety of the deal flow that we're seeing on the sponsor side of our origination business, we are seeing those legal and financial terms back to pre-COVID types.

And so we are finding it challenging to play in a consistent way across all sponsors today, because we think that there is just a tremendous amount of competition and requiring underwriting that we're just not comfortable with by enlarge. So we're being very tactical about it.

There are certain sponsors that we are very close to and have subject matter expertise that we value. We're staying very close to those folks and trying to help drive deals for them. But we're not going to be all things to all people, certainly not on the sponsor finance side.

So we're going to stay true to our knitting and underwrite where we feel comfortable. On the nonsponsor side, we are turning over many stones, seeing a lot of potential deal flow. We're getting a lot of inbounds into our distressed group, which as those deals migrate to higher or lower risk thresholds, we may scrub in, we may take a look.

Our rejection rate is as high as ever. So we're staying quite conservative. But being part of Oaktree, there's a market reputation that we have and benefit from in two ways. One is to move quickly in very challenging situations and provide solutions. And two, to potentially provide a very deep pocketed solution. We have very large distressed debt funds.

We have very large performing credit strategies that are liquid, we have very large direct lending strategies as well that can do sponsor and nonsponsored lending. So we're able to write very large checks to provide solutions in very large companies. And so it's a nice place to sit in terms of seeing the deal flow.

So we don't feel the need to just chase the LVO sponsor opportunity tighter and tighter. We'll do some of it from time to time but we're not going to just be one of the, I don't know, 30, 40, 50 direct lenders that are providing commodity capital out there..

I just had one kind of quick housekeeping follow up. Can you talk about what caused the Kemper JV to be written up in the quarter? Looked like leverage decreased there, the distribution decreased.

So what was driving that increase?.

The price of the JV is a function of the values of the underlying portfolio. So there was a recovery on a mark to market basis in the underlying portfolio, which led to the write up and the value on the OCO sales books..

Our next question comes from Rick Shane with JPMorgan..

I just wanted to focus on three investments, and I would describe this as incremental. But when we look at sort of the marks on the companies I'm about to hit on and our thinking about the markets, curious about the directionality of fair value versus cost.

So the first is William Morris, it's marked above cost, given what's going on in the entertainment industry. Just curious what you're seeing there. And then the other two are Zep and Dominion Diagnostics, they're marked below cost. And given their business focus, I would actually think that they might be benefiting from the current environment.

I'm just curious about the directionality of those three marks..

So I'll give you whatever I can on the three, I got to be a little bit mindful about publicly disclosing information. But William Morris, as you're familiar with, is a leading entertainment management and media rights company.

You're right that directionally, with vaccine news and live events starting to come back, NBA in a bubble, baseball, et cetera, that's generally a good thing for William Morris. And our loan has nice call protection, has a pretty rich coupon relative to the pari passu, LIBOR plus $2.75 first lien term loan that the company has.

And that term loan is something that could be observed in terms of trading prices in the market. And it's moved up nicely consistent with your intuition there. I think that's all I would say about William Morris.

I would hesitate to drive forward guidance, because we also think that COVID cases are going to spike, so there's going to be some choppiness in the next few quarters. But the company has taken out some cost and is managing very well in terms of its liquidity needs for the foreseeable future. Zep. so Zep is a cleaning materials company.

It did have some execution issues over the pre-COVID that resulted in the company looking more levered as a result of EBITDA declines. Directionally, you're right. People are cleaning more and sanitation products are doing better as is Zep. Now it remains levered and that's why we have it marked the way we do.

But the leverage is, at least post COVID, heading in the right direction, as in down. But we don't feel comfortable marking it more aggressively, because we do still think that the company is more levered than we would like it to be and that's the reason why Zep is where it is.

Now Dominion is a little bit of a different issue, it's a diagnostics laboratory company.

They are modestly helped by the coronavirus but there's some puts and takes, because although there is more work being done around coronavirus and the company certainly benefits from that, there is a decline in elective surgeries, elective cases, going to the doctor for a checkup, et cetera, because of coronavirus as well.

So there are puts and takes on that business. It's not, to use a basketball analogy, it's not nothing but net. There's some countervailing pressures as well. And as you know, we're going to be fair and err on the side of conservatism generally in the way we mark things.

And we'd like to be proven wrong if and when it's appropriate that the company's performance necessitate a markup, but we don't want to be ahead of that curve..

Our next question will come from Bryce Rowe with National Securities..

I wanted to ask this morning about some of the exit activity we saw in the third quarter. Obviously, you sold some of your structured positions, as well as some other exited structured positions, as well as some of the other investments on the balance sheet.

So I was just curious, if you could speak to the exit values relative to the marks that you carry them at as of June..

Generally speaking, the exits in the fourth fiscal quarter were done at or above the marks in June. They were not across the board meaningfully or across the board higher than June. I mean some of them were right on top of June. In the structured credit space, it's hard to mark those positions because they're very unique instruments by issuer.

But generally speaking, they were sold at gains to cost as well as gains to mark, if you look kind of in totality across the entirety of either the structured credit book or the corporate book..

And then maybe along those same lines, just wondering if some of the repayment activity in the quarter would have been kind of a surprise to you all, something that you may not have expected as soon as you get repaid..

We did have one repayment in the quarter that was -- I mean, it's disappointing to get repaid on something you really like. But it was kind of a testament to the Oaktree platform is the NuStar Energy deal. So NuStar, we're in negotiations with the company in late March and early April, committed and funded that loan or most of that loan in April.

As the markets recovered, as people understood the value of the business, the company was able to tap the public markets and essentially repay our position at par plus make wholes. So it was a very quick in and out, very good IRR and very good times money. But I would have traded that to kind of hold the position for another two or three years at 12%.

So that's probably the biggest surprise. We do have other situations in the portfolio that have surprised the upside in performance. And we think that there's a decent chance that our loan, which was done kind of earlier in the life cycle of the company, may look expensive in the next couple of quarters. So we don't think it's the end of it.

But NuStar was probably the biggest and most sort of glaring in our book that something we originated that just seemed too good to be true, and it turned out that it was, in terms of the length of hold..

And then maybe one more, and I'm not sure if this is going to make a whole lot of sense or not, but you've got more of a cautious or conservative tone and I think that's clearly just how Oaktree operates.

But is the caution that you're approaching some businesses with, is it related to, I guess, forecasting of COVID cases spiking or are there underlying weaknesses beyond just what we're kind of facing from a COVID perspective?.

We're not epidemiologists so we can't really forecast that with any level of certainty. It's a few things. First of all, some businesses were already challenged heading into COVID. COVID didn't help them. And so there's a fair part of the publicly traded market that meets that type of description. So we were cautious about it before COVID.

We're even more cautious about it after COVID. With the rally in loan and bond prices in the markets it doesn't help the situation.

There are other situations where if the market continues to do what it's doing, which is to focus on liquidity over solvency, we could get into a situation in the two quarters, four quarters from now where a company XYZ, that tap the public markets or even the private markets for a rescue loan levered up, but then the business model changed as a result of COVID or the business model has been delayed as a result of COVID.

And therefore, in two quarters, four quarters, maybe six quarters, you look at the capital structure and you say, I don't know that this company is actually worth the debt. So even though the liquidity is fine, the solvency and valuation picture is not fine. And we're mindful of that. We're mindful.

When you look at the value of companies or the value, or the trade, or the fairness of trading values are really three things you look at. One is the fundamental performance of the business. The second is valuation, or whether that's fair or not in a historical context. And the third are the technicals in the market.

And I would say the technicals in the market are so strong right now that they're leading into a condition where the valuation, if you look forward 12 months, in some instances, is inappropriate. So that's why we don't want to get into a situation where we're lending, for example, pari passu with the company's existing first lien instruments.

But in combination with the new loan that they're seeking to issue that the company in its new business model post COVID, whatever that may mean, in some cases, in tech or life sciences, it's been accelerated to the positive. So in most cases it's fine.

But in other situations, it could be true that the company has a muted path forward in terms of its cash flow projections. And you might see yourself in a situation where the business is no longer worth the debt within a reasonable time frame. So for example, a very easy example there would be cruise lines and airlines.

I'm not saying cruise lines and airlines will never come back, but it's going to take a very long time for cruise lines and airlines to return to any semblance of what they were like in 2019. And business travel is going to be lower for longer, travel on an airline or a cruise line for just vacationing is going to take some time to come back.

So it's easy to say, wow, these companies have a lot of assets, let's go lend against that and provide them liquidity. But you have to think about within a reasonable time frame what are the cash flow is going to be and are they reasonable from a valuation perspective or not..

This concludes our question-and-answer session. I'd like to turn the call back over to Mr. Mosticchio..

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