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EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT
EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT 2017 - Q4
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Executives

Doug Sherk - CEO & Founder, EVC Group Scott Shaw - Chief Executive Officer and President Brian Meyers - Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer.

Analysts

Alex Paris - Barrington Research Bill Nasgovitz - Heartland Advisors.

Operator

Good day and welcome to the Lincoln Educational Services 2017 Fourth Quarter and Full-Year Financial Results Conference Call. Today’s conference is being recorded. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Doug Sherk of EVC Group. Please go ahead, sir..

Doug Sherk

Thank you, Daisy, and good morning, everyone. Before the open of the market today, Lincoln Educational Services issued its fourth quarter and full-year 2017 financial results news release. The release is available on the Investor Relations portion of the company’s corporate website at www.lincolntech.edu.

Today’s call is being broadcast live on the company’s website and a replay of this call will also be archived on the company’s website. Statements during today’s call made by Lincoln’s management regarding the company’s business that are not historical facts may be forward-looking statements as that term is defined in the federal securities law.

The words may, will, expect, believe, anticipate, project, plan, intend, estimate and continue and their opposites and similar expressions are intended to identify forward-looking statements. Forward-looking statements should not be read as a guarantee of future performance or results.

The company cautions you that these statements concern current expectations about the company’s future performance or events and are subject to a number of uncertainties, risks and other influences, many of which are beyond the company’s control, that may influence the accuracy of the statements and the projections upon which the statements are based.

Factors which may affect the company’s results include, but are not limited to the risks and uncertainties discussed in the Risk Factors section of our Annual Report on Form 10-K and Quarterly Reports on Form 10-Q filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

Forward-looking statements are based on information available at the time those statements are made and/or management’s good faith belief as of that time with respect to future events.

All forward-looking statements are qualified in their entirety by this cautionary statement and Lincoln undertakes no obligation to publicly revise or update any forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise after the date hereof.

Now I’d like to turn the call over to Scott Shaw, President and Chief Executive Officer of Lincoln Educational Services..

Scott Shaw President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Thank you, Doug, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining our call to discuss our fourth quarter and full-year operating and financial results, as well as recent corporate developments. With me today is Brian Meyers, Lincoln’s Chief Financial Officer. I’m pleased to report that we had a very successful fourth quarter.

As we strive to return to consistent profitability, our number one goal is to increase our student population, and in the fourth quarter we achieved strong growth in both segments.

Our Healthcare and Other Professions segment generated 16.1% increase in starts, while the Transportation and Skilled Trades segment with an average student population nearly doubled the size of Healthcare and Other Professions rose 7.1%.

More encouraging is the fact that last year’s fourth quarter starts were also positive and so we’re building on strength. Two quarters ago, when we talked with you about our second quarter results, we noted the unexpected decline in high school starts, which primarily impacted our Transportation and Skilled Trades segment.

We noted at the time that we had implemented actions designed to address the factors behind the decline. Given fourth quarter results and the trends that we are seeing in the first quarter, we believe that our actions are working. We have changed certain vendors, increased investments in strategic areas and improved our systems and processes.

We currently believe that for the first time in many years, overall starts from our campuses operating as of January 1 will grow for the entire year.

In addition to our solid student start performance, our management team did an excellent job of managing our resources during the fourth quarter, and we generated $7.7 million in net income, as compared to an $18 million loss in the prior year period.

A significant reason why our profitability has improved is, because our Transitional segment operations were winding down during the fourth quarter. This segment was comprised of campuses that we had decided to close and were teaching out. And as of December 31, 2017, all of the campuses in the Transitional segment were closed.

For the first time in several years, as of January 1, 2018, Lincoln has no operations in the Transitional segment. As a result of this achievement, Lincoln his positioned to focus our energies on new programs and the expansion of existing programs that are in high demand.

And our operating performance in 2018 should be positively improved over last year. Again, the single most important metric towards a growing and consistently profitable Lincoln is student starts. And during the fourth quarter, overall same school starts grew a 11.2%.

Same school starts eliminate the negative impact of the Transitional segment, which by design had no student starts during the fourth quarter. One of Lincoln’s strengths is our ability to achieve growth without having to spend millions of dollars to expand physical capacity and cannibalize our existing campuses.

Moreover, our program in geographic diversification are a strength, which better enables our campuses to achieve growth in a negative operating environment. For example, in 2017, we achieved higher growth in our Skilled Trades programs than in our automotive and diesel programs.

We know that the growth in the construction and manufacturing sectors is driving increased demand by employers for new talent, and it appears that increasing awareness by this need by industry could be encouraging more students to pursue a career in one of these sectors.

Given Lincoln’s 70-year history of training and serving these sectors, coupled with the near-term increase in infrastructure spending constantly discussed by politicians and business leaders, we believe Lincoln is positioned to generate growth in our Skilled Trades programs for sometime.

Similarly, with our Healthcare and Other Professions segment, our licensed practical nurse program, which is more expensive program that leads to a better outcome in the form of a higher salary perform much better than our allied health programs.

In fact, every HOPS campus that has a nursing program experienced an increase in student starts in that program during 2017. One of the high employment rate continues to present challenges to our growth, we are also benefiting from the difficulty employers are having recruiting trained employees.

As a result, employer interest in partnering with Lincoln continues to forge new relationships, which lead to new opportunities for Lincoln and our students. For example, a few weeks ago, we entered into a partnership with Hussmann, a Panasonic company and a manufacturer of medium and low-temperature display cases and refrigeration systems.

As part of the partnership, Hussmann is building an advanced refrigeration training center on our Grand Prairie campus. Our HVAC graduates from around the country will be trained for Hussmann careers and Hussmann will cover not only the tuition, but also the room, board and transportation.

This will be a significant investment by Hussmann and it highlights the growing need by employers to find solutions to their aging and retiring workforce. We are in discussions with several other companies facing similar challenges. So switching to outcomes overall, I’m very pleased that Lincoln continues to provide our students with a strong ROI.

Our graduation rates held relatively constant. Our placement rates increased 400 basis points compared to prior year. This speaks to the increasing value that employers place on a Lincoln Education as they seek to find the best talent in the marketplace.

A higher percentage of students are finding employment and more and more employers are providing incentives ranging from signing bonuses to student loan repayment programs in order to attract our graduates.

On the regulatory front, our 90/10 remains comfortably at 79% and our cohort default rates remain more than 200 basis points below the national average. We recently closed out our only program review with no material findings. We have one regionally accredited school, which had a reaccreditation visit last year and we are responding on schedule.

Similarly, we have met every deadline for submission of all seven applications for ACICS schools, which are – and we are responding to requests for more information. To recap, we executed on several major initiatives in 2017. We successfully closed five campuses and will for the first time in a while have no schools in the Transitional segment.

We successfully closed on a new credit facility that provides greater flexibility at a lower cost, which is lowered and will continue to lower our interest expense. We sold our West Palm Beach facility, but still own more than $60 million in real estate. We successfully met all deadlines for the expected transition of the ACICS schools to ACCSC.

We renegotiated leases and rationalized square footage to reduce our fixed cost by over $1 million annually. In response to lower than expected starts from our high school representatives, we restructured their reporting and enhanced their materials and processes, which is leading to a positive outlook from this important start resource for 2018.

We enhanced our marketing channels and increased our investment to drive greater population, and we are seeing at least four months of positive trends. We strengthened the Lincoln brand with existing employers and new employers, which lays the groundwork for a greater and richer future collaboration.

Looking forward, our plans are straightforward, grow our population while being true to our values. We have launched new TV advertising that we anticipate will resonate better with millennials with inspirational, informative and humorous themes. We will continue to invest in our marketing to drive more interest and new students.

We will expand successfully proven programs, such as welding and CNC into markets, where research tells us there should be strong demand from both students and employers utilizing existing campuses. And once we achieve new accreditation for ACICS schools, we will launch a new IT program in several of them.

Our current momentum has us optimistic for the year as does the simplicity of our plan. We will continue to make incremental improvements to bring growth to the bottom line, while carefully listening to the marketplace to act on new opportunities.

To give you more insight on our fourth quarter financial results and to introduce our 2018 guidance, I’d like to turn the call over to our CFO, Brian Meyers..

Brian Meyers Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer & Treasurer

Thanks, Scott, and good morning, everyone. I’d like to begin my comments with a review of the fourth quarter financial performance highlights. Later, I’ll review our guidance for 2018. First, as Scott had previously mentioned, on a same school basis, our student starts as a company have increased by a 11.2% quarter-over-quarter.

Leading the way with our Healthcare and Other Professional segments, which posted a 16.1% increase in student starts, while our Transportation and Skilled Trades segment increased by 7.2% for the quarter. Second, we achieved net income of $9.2 million and adjusted EBITDA of $11.5 million for the quarter, excluding our Transitional segment.

In addition, when compared to the prior year, excluding the Transitional segment and impairments, both net income and adjusted EBITDA increased $2.2 million quarter-over-quarter.

Third, I would like to highlight again that the company has successfully closed all the campuses classified in a Transitional segment as entering 2018 with no operation in this segment.

I’m happy to say that, when we report numbers for the first quarter of 2018, it will be the first time in five years that we will not have any campuses making preparations to close. Lastly, we have achieved all of our previously disclosed guidance for 2018. Now regarding the segment operating performance highlights.

Our Transportation and Skilled Trades segment revenue decreased to $45.9 million for the three months ended December 31, 2017, as compared to $46.6 million in the prior year comparable period.

The decrease in revenue was primarily driven by a 4.3% decline in average student population slightly offset by a 2.8% increase in average revenue per student compared to the prior year comparable period. As previously mentioned by Scott, student starts for the quarter increased by 7.2% compared to the prior comparable period.

The majority of the additional revenue generated by the increased student starts during the fourth quarter will be realized during 2018. Operating income for the Transportation and Skilled Trades segment decreased by 500,000 to $8.9 million, compared to $9.4 million in the fourth quarter of 2016.

Education, services and facility expense decreased by approximately 700,000, primarily due to a reduction of facility expense as a result of fully depreciated assets and more favorable lease terms at one of our campuses. Partially offsetting these cost savings, our increased selling, general and administrative expenses of approximately 500,000.

These additional costs are due to several factors, including increased administrative expenses resulting from slightly higher bad debt expense and increased investment in marketing, which is directly tied to our stock growth in the fourth quarter.

Our Healthcare and Other Professional segment revenue increased by $1 million to $21.1 million from $20.1 million in the prior year comparable period. The increase in revenue is mainly due to a 3.4% increase in average student population in combination with a 1.4% increase in average revenue for students.

Students starts for the quarter increased 16.1% compared to the prior year comparable period, which we have attributed to the increased marketing spend. I would like to reiterate once again that the majority of revenue to be realized from increased student starts in the fourth quarter will occur during 2018.

Operating income for the Healthcare and Other Professional segment was $3.4 million versus an operating loss of 3., sorry, $13.5 million in the prior year comparable period. Included in the prior year comparable period is a non-cash impairment charge of $16.1 million.

Excluding the non-cash impairment charge in the prior year, our operating income would have increased by approximately 800,000 quarter-over-quarter. Education, service and facility expense increased slightly by $200,000, the majority of which was a result of increased instructional expenses and book and tool expense.

Selling, general and administrative expenses remain essentially flat at $7.8 million. Operating loss for the Transitional segment was $1.5 million, down significantly from $8 million in the prior year comparable period. The change is primarily attributed to the closing of the campuses within this segment during 2017.

In addition, I want to note again that in 2018, we’ll no longer have any campuses categorized in our Transitional segment. Corporate and other costs decreased to $3 million from $16.5 million in the prior year comparable period.

The decrease was primarily driven by a $2.6 million reduction in salary and pay incentive expense quarter-over-quarter, as well as $1.4 million impairment charge booked in 2016. Partially offsetting these costs are $400,000 and higher closed schools costs incurred in 2017 related to our Hartford Connecticut campus, which closed on December 31, 2016.

The additional expense related to the Hartford Connecticut campus will expire with the apartment lease, which ends in September 2019. Let’s now turn to the balance sheet and cash flow for the quarter. As of December 31, 2017, the company had net cash of $1.2 million, compared to a net cash of $3.4 million as of December 31, 2016.

The decrease in cash position can be attributed to several factors, including a $2.8 million in fees paid for the early termination of our prior term loan, as well as fees incurred in the implementation of the new credit facility.

A $1.5 million lease terminations fee paid in relation to our Center City Philadelphia campus and over $5 million in closing costs associated with the Transitional segment. The net cash balance is calculated as cash, cash equivalents and restricted cash less long-term debt, including the current portion.

Further, with the implementation of our new credit facility in the first quarter of 2017, we believe the company has adequate resources in place to execute the 2018 operating plan. In addition, we anticipate interest expense savings under the new credit facility of approximately $3 million annually.

Finally, I’d like to mention again that we met all our previously established guidance for 2018, and offer the following guidance for 2018, which we present excluding the 2017 Transitional segment. First, we anticipate revenue to increase by low single-digits over 2017. Second, student starts are also expected to increase by low single-digits.

The third, we expect 2018 operating income to be in the range of break-even and a loss of $3 million. And lastly, we expect 2018 year-end population to be greater than prior year. With that, I’ll turn the call back over to the operator. So we can take your questions.

Operator?.

Operator

[Operator instructions] Our first question is from Alex Paris from Barrington Research. Your line is now open..

Alex Paris

Good morning, guys. Congratulations on a really strong finish to the year..

Scott Shaw President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Thanks, Alex..

Brian Meyers Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer & Treasurer

Thanks, Alex..

Scott Shaw President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Thanks..

Alex Paris

Your starts in each case were much better than my estimate. Starts and Transportation and Skilled Trades were up for the first time in several quarters, and Healthcare and Other Professions were up 16% versus a decline in the third quarter.

So my question is based on your guidance at year-end population greater than the year-end population in 2017, does this mean you expect new student starts to remain positive in each of the four quarters of 2018?.

Scott Shaw President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

We – Alex, it’s Scott. We definitely believe that for the full-year, they will be positive projecting quarter-by-quarter. I don’t want to go into that detail. But certainly, the momentum that we have ending in 2017 is carrying into 2018 so far for the first quarter..

Alex Paris

And I know you said you discussed this in your prepared comments.

But what were the biggest drivers of that student start growth? The increase in advertising, it wasn’t an easy comp, as you said, because you were up in the fourth quarter of last year?.

Scott Shaw President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Yes – no, exactly. So it’s a number of things. And if I could actually pinpoint exactly what’s causing the increase, I’d be – if I told you something, I’d be not telling you the full truth. So it’s a lot of different things that we’ve been working on. We definitely have some new vendors that we’re working with on the website.

So we think that we’re getting better leads, which is helpful. We continue to focus with our admissions people to make sure that we’re fully staffed and have the right processes in place and the right people in place. And as you can see from the financials, we are investing in this segment. I mean, we are fighting low unemployment.

And during this time, I think, we just need to put some additional resources into the marketing. And what’s encouraging is that, we seem to be getting some good results from that. So it’s a number of things and we’re just very pleased that our efforts seem to be moving us in the right direction..

Alex Paris

Yes. So obviously, you faced a pretty tough headwind with the economy and the employment market..

Scott Shaw President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Correct..

Alex Paris

You’re obviously generating more leads through advertising.

How has your conversion rate been with those leads converting leads to applications?.

Scott Shaw President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Sure. The conversion rates actually been doing well. The more – the challenge we’ve had more has been on the start rates of converting those applications into starts and that comes down to a lot of affordability issues, as well as additional training to make sure that students know the real value of a Lincoln Education.

So we are making some adjustments with regards to making affordability less of an issue for students. And that really hasn’t started to kick in until 2018. So the benefits of those efforts are really not reflected in the numbers that we have shown you to date..

Alex Paris

What could some of those initiatives be in terms of making a more affordable increased use of scholarships?.

Scott Shaw President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Exactly. We had cut back on our scholarships last year again, just trying to figure out what that right balance is between scholarships and marketing dollars and try to understand what is really driving students to come to Lincoln and to start.

And I think, we clearly demonstrated to ourselves that by having some more scholarships and certain programs in certain markets would definitely be beneficial. And so we are enhancing those efforts for 2018..

Alex Paris

Can you quantify that at all what were scholarships in dollars in 2017 versus 2016, and what do you forecast them to be in 2018?.

Scott Shaw President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Sure.

Brian?.

Brian Meyers Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer & Treasurer

Right. Overall, the scholarship grants were – well, scholarships issuing grants to students are increasing approximately like $3 million year-over-year. But now they’re more focused. We’re actually – we’re giving it to students that really needed in a grant.

So we’re – it’s more targeted our scholarships now to more of a need base, some of them are more of a need base that we didn’t have in the past..

Alex Paris

It was up $3 million year-over-year, or it was $3 million in 2017?.

Brian Meyers Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer & Treasurer

No, I don’t have the – actually the scholarship, how much the P&L was the P&L impact. Scholarships going into 2018 the grants – the new grants that we’re giving to our students is going to be up about $3 million year-over-year..

Scott Shaw President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

So in 2018, we’re anticipating the spend $3 million more in scholarships..

Alex Paris

I gotcha. Okay, that’s helpful. The second question related to average revenue per student up 2.8% in the Transportation segment, up 1.4% in HOPS.

What’s driving that? Is that mix? Were there tuition price increases, more credit hours taken, how do you explain that?.

Scott Shaw President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Sure. It’s a little bit of both. I mean, there’s always some mix change going on, and we did have tuition increases that kicked in, in the second-half of last year..

Alex Paris

Okay. With regard to your ACICS campuses, when do you expect to find out that you’ve got a new accreditor ACCSC? Is that a first quarter event, or first-half event? Obviously…..

Scott Shaw President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

It’s definitely in the first-half and whether it happens in March or in the May meeting, we’re not sure as of yet..

Alex Paris

And then with a new accreditor, does that place restrictions on introducing new programs or opening new campuses not that you have any plan, but for a period of time?.

Scott Shaw President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Well, we have restrictions today that we can’t open any new – or I should say, start a new programs, while we’re going through this process. So what we anticipate is, once we get through this process, we will be able to launch some new programs.

And in those campuses, in particular, we’ve been upgrading our IT program, which has frankly become a little outdated and we’re not gaining the result that we believe we can get with the new program.

So once we get that reaccreditation, we’ll then launch that new IT program, at least, three of the HOP schools and several of the other schools are asking for it. So that will be a plus to them..

Brian Meyers Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer & Treasurer

And to be clear to limit today, you just focus on our HOPS campuses. We have no limits on opening of new programs in our Transportation and Skilled Trades segment..

Alex Paris

Gotcha..

Brian Meyers Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer & Treasurer

As well as I just want to mention in my prepared remarks, I might have said that we met – we achieved all 2018 guidance numbers. It was actually 2017 guidance numbers..

Alex Paris

Gotcha..

Scott Shaw President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

You’re jumping the guidance..

Brian Meyers Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer & Treasurer

Yes, yes. Hopefully, we will..

Alex Paris

You will see that next year. So….

Brian Meyers Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer & Treasurer

Yes..

Alex Paris

…the – within HOPS just a question that I had somebody asked.

How big are the nursing programs as a percentage of revenue, or a percentage of an enrollment on the HOP side?.

Scott Shaw President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Well, the nursing – it’s a largest program that we have in that segment, and it represents around, I’m just doing some math in my head. But I’ll say around 30% of the population..

Alex Paris

Great.

And then, I guess, my last question is, did you say that all – in your prepared comments, all campuses will grow in 2018 in times?.

Scott Shaw President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Yes. No, I said that as a company as a whole we will grow in 2018, didn’t go by campus by campus..

Alex Paris

Okay.

Do you want to – whether laggards within each group in the fourth quarter, or in 2017?.

Scott Shaw President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

No, I would anticipate frankly that all campuses do grow. But I just know life doesn’t always go the way that I’d like it to go, and so some will perform and some will underperform. But overall, we’re looking to be positive for the year..

Alex Paris

Okay. I think that….

Scott Shaw President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

And in the fourth quarter, majority of our campuses did grow..

Brian Meyers Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer & Treasurer

Yes..

Scott Shaw President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Not all, but a majority of them did grow..

Brian Meyers Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer & Treasurer

Correct..

Alex Paris

Last question and then I’ll get back in the queue..

Scott Shaw President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Sure..

Alex Paris

You said you had $60 million worth of real estate. Where is that? Is that – you owned the ground under certain automotive campuses? You’ve got some real estate down in Palm Beach, I believe..

Scott Shaw President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Sure..

Alex Paris

And then what are your thoughts in terms of monetizing that $60 million?.

Scott Shaw President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Well, we constantly look at. I mean, it is all at the Transportation side. It’s Nashville, it’s Denver, it’s Grand Prairie for the most part and then some smaller assets. It’s just something that we look at to determine what’s the best way to capitalize on those assets. As of now needless to say, the bank credit facilities being secured by them.

But we look at and get proposals for different forms of financing from time to time..

Alex Paris

So nothing material is held for sale in that portfolio directly?.

Scott Shaw President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Correct, correct, only a two small properties that are under – in aggregate under $8 million of value, which are not being utilized today. The two vacant for sale [Multiple Speakers].

Alex Paris

Vacant. I gotcha.

And those could be sold this year?.

Scott Shaw President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Yes, they could be. I’m hoping. We’re anticipating, at least, one of them being sold, but we’re hoping both are sold this year..

Alex Paris

Great. All right. Well, thanks, guys. Congratulations on the quarter and the good start to 2018..

Scott Shaw President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Thanks, Alex..

Brian Meyers Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer & Treasurer

Thank you..

Operator

[Operator Instructions] At this time, I’m showing no further questions..

Scott Shaw President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Actually, Daisy, we do have a new question….

Operator

Okay..

Scott Shaw President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

…to be taken..

Operator

All right. Our next question is from Bill Nasgovitz from Heartland. Your line is now open..

Bill Nasgovitz

Yes, good morning..

Scott Shaw President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Good morning, Bill..

Brian Meyers Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer & Treasurer

Good morning, Bill..

Bill Nasgovitz

Congratulations on a strong finish..

Scott Shaw President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Thank you..

Bill Nasgovitz

Could you discuss the credit facility who’s it with and what’s the max and what are the terms? And throughout the year, there are seasonal needs.

So what might be the maximum that you’ll draw on it, you anticipate drawing on it?.

Brian Meyers Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer & Treasurer

Sure. Our credit facility – hi, Bill. Our credit facilities with Sterling National Bank, it goes through 2020. There’s three different facilities within it. The main facilities – facility one, which is a $20 million credit facility that we use for operations. There’s two other facilities that will drawdown from time to time.

But mainly, it’s – it would help us with some of year-end borrowings. But mainly, the main credit facility is a $25 billion credit facility that we use towards funding operations. And we’re very seasonal. This time in a year, we draw majority of – from that credit facility for quarters one and two.

And then in quarters three and four, we tend to pay it back..

Bill Nasgovitz

So the max on all three is what amount?.

Brian Meyers Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer & Treasurer

The max on all three is, I think, $65 million..

Bill Nasgovitz

Okay.

And what – what’s the interest?.

Brian Meyers Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer & Treasurer

The interest rate is prime plus 2.35..

Bill Nasgovitz

Okay. And then just on the HOPS again. So nursing is the largest component about 30%. What did that grow last year? And what do you foresee in the future? We keep hearing about nursing shortages..

Scott Shaw President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Sure..

Brian Meyers Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer & Treasurer

Excuse me, I just want to correct myself. It’s actually prime plus 2.85, I’m sorry..

Bill Nasgovitz

So to answer your question, last year nursing grew by 30% or 300 students? And what’s your outlook for nursing? Is there…..

Brian Meyers Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer & Treasurer

Oh, it remains…..

Bill Nasgovitz

…continued pent-up demand, or?.

Brian Meyers Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer & Treasurer

Yes. They’re definitely – there’s a long-term demand for nursing going forward. I can’t say that’s going to grow but at same percentage again this share, simply because there – we have some capacity constraints in a number of class starts we can have.

But nursing for the long-term being over the next five years is expected to be in high demand, and so largest profession within the Healthcare segment..

Bill Nasgovitz

Okay. So you estimated two properties for sale less than $8 millio, one might sell this year.

Which one is that, and what might the – and what’s the value of that property?.

Brian Meyers Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer & Treasurer

That’s a property in West Palm Beach Florida. We had two properties. If you remember, we sold one in 2017, I believe, for like $16 million. The smaller property, it’s appraised value and book value is roughly $3 million. And there is some interest in there. We had some low offers, but there’s interest in that facility..

Bill Nasgovitz

Okay, good to hear..

Scott Shaw President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Yes..

Bill Nasgovitz

Thank you..

Scott Shaw President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Thank you, Bill..

Operator

Thank you. At this time, I’m showing no further questions. I would like to turn the call back over to Mr. Scott Shaw, President and CEO for closing remarks..

Scott Shaw President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Thanks, operator. So in summary, Lincoln remains a leader in each of our communities and we are working diligently to solve the middle skills gap. Our revised marketing strategies and additional investments implemented since last summer have started to yield returns.

Since we started the year with a slightly smaller carryover population, we don’t expect to see increases to our revenues in earnings until the second-half of the year. However as we discussed earlier, given the trends over the past four months, we are optimistic about finally achieving start growth for the entire year.

Our 70 years of experience and diversification remain a strength, and employers continue to partner with us to solve their workforce needs. Finally, I want to thank our faculty and staff for their tireless commitment to the success of our students. Thank you for participating on our call today.

We look forward to updating you on our progress in early May. Have a great week..

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your participation in today’s conference. This concludes the program. You may now disconnect..

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