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EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT
EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT 2021 - Q3
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Operator

Before I turn the call over to management, I would like to remind you that management may make forward-looking statements relating to such matters as continued growth prospects for the Company, uncertainties regarding market acceptance of products, the impact of competitive products and pricing, industry trends, and product and technology initiatives, including products in the development stage which may not achieve scientific objectives or meet stringent regulatory requirements.

Forward-looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those contemplated in such forward-looking statements. These statements are based on currently available information and management's current assumptions, expectations, and projections about future event.

While management believes that it's assumptions, expectations and projections are reasonable in view of currently available information, you are cautioned not to place undue reliance on these forward-looking statements.

The Company's actual results may differ materially from those discussed in this call for a variety of reasons, including those described in the forward-looking statements and Risk Factors section of the Company's Form 10-K for the year ending December 31, 2020, which was filed March 31, 2021 and its other filings with the SEC, which are available on the Investor Relations section of Jaguar's website.

Except as required by law, Jaguar Health undertakes no obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statements contained in this presentation to reflect new information, future events, or otherwise.

Additionally, please note that the Company's supplements are condensed consolidated financial statements presented on a GAAP basis by providing gross sales, non-GAAP EBITDA and non-GAAP recurring EBITDA.

Jaguar believes that the disclosure items of these non-GAAP measures provide investors with additional information that reflects the basis upon which Company management assesses and operates the business.

These non-GAAP financial measures should not be viewed in isolation or as substitutes for GAAP net sales and GAAP net loss, and are not substitutes for or superior to measures of financial performance in conformity with GAAP. As a reminder, today's conference is being recorded.

At this time, it is my pleasure to turn the call over to Lisa Conte, Jaguar Health Founder, President and Chief Executive Officer. Lisa, the floor is yours..

Lisa Conte Founder, Chief Executive Officer, President & Director

Thank you very much and thank you for that comprehensive disclosure here. Welcome all. As just heard, my name is Lisa Conte. I am the founder, President, and CEO of Jaguar Health, and our wholly-owned subsidiary, Napo Pharmaceuticals, and I am a board member -- Chairman of the Board of our majority-owned subsidiary in Italy, Napo, EU.

And I'm going to begin today with a brief recap of key clinical and product development updates. December is the key month of product development activity for Jaguar.

We're so pleased that the results from our Phase 2, or from the Phase 2 that's on our study investigator initiated a HALT-D study of Crofelemer, have been accepted for presentation at the prestigious San Antonio Breast Cancer Symposium. And that takes place from December 7th to December 10th of this year, just next month, in San Antonio, Texas.

The HALT-D study was sponsored by Georgetown University and it was funded by Genentech tech. It was a controlled study of the prevention of diarrhea in breast cancer patients on targeted therapy and a taxane chemotherapy drugs.

The study is independent from our pivotal Phase 3 OnTarget, that's the name of our study, OnTarget; which is Crofelemer for prophylaxis of diarrhea in adult cancer patients receiving targeted therapy with or without cycles chemotherapy. We initiated our OnTarget study in October 2020 and patient enrollment is ongoing.

So back to the investigator-initiated poll study, the poster will be presented at San Antonio by lead author Dr. Paula Pohlmann who has moved from Georgetown and is now a leading oncologist and associate professor at the University of Texas MD Anderson Cancer Center. And it also includes senior author, Dr.

Sandy Swing ho is at Georgetown University, and the poster presentation will take place on Friday, December 10th, from 7 to 8:30 A.M Central Time. And the poster will also be available for virtual participants starting on December 7th.

In other important December news, Jaguar is planning for conditional approval and launch of crofelemer for the treatment of chemotherapy-induced diarrhea in dogs. The drug is called Canalevia, Canalevia-CA1, and it will be our first prescription veterinary product. We anticipate conditional approval in late December 2021, likely December 27th.

According to the National Cancer Institute, there's roughly 6 million new cancer diagnoses in dogs each year, among the approximately 80 million dogs in the U.S. now. And for the most part, dogs receive human chemotherapeutic agents during treatment and suffer the same side effects as humans. The dogs really are predictive of the human experience.

For example, approximately 40 % of treated dogs may have their chemotherapy reduced, or changed, or discontinued, due to diarrhea, which can compromise the full benefit of the chemotherapy agent, and is a remarkably similar percentage to what's seen in human patient treatment as well.

Chemotherapy is evolving to become the most widely - used oncology treatment modality in veterinary medicine. And there are currently no FDA approved medications for the symptomatic treatment of CID in dogs, the thing in humans.

Moreover, the most prevalent in -use targeted chemotherapy, tyrosine kinase inhibitors, often referred to as TKIs, which have substantial rate of diarrhea, are widely becoming adopted by small animal practitioners.

There are approximately 50 targeted therapies often utilized for chronic management of cancer that has been approved for human use in the past 20 years. Canalevia is a prescription drug product and will be commercialized through the companies as Jaguar Animal Health business unit. So, turning now to Jaguar's Italian subsidiary, Napo EU.

The merger of Napo EU and Dragon SPAC has closed as we announced on November 1st, and is currently affected. Jaguar maintains -- the parent Company maintains a meaningful majority equity interest in the combined entity, and the combined entity has remained -- retained the name Napo EU. With highly experienced key management for Napo EU in place now.

We look forward to collaborating with in growing the Napo EU team in Italy. In supportive Napo EU uses very important mission to expand the access to profounder in Europe. The entire European territory, excluding Russia, for multiple pipeline indications.

And beginning with Napo EU 's initial focus on short-sell syndrome with intestinal failure, a rare disease, representing another important potential indication for co-polymers in the patient community.

Napo EU operates under an exclusive license to Crofelemer from Jaguar with typical license terms, including upfront fees, milestone payments, royalties, and collaborative clinical work, including sharing of clinical and regulatory data generated by each organization. Napo EU is laser-focused additionally on orphan indication.

Short bowel syndrome is a catastrophic event where patients get normally 22 feet to 25 feet, maybe as short as less than 5 feet, perhaps as short as 30 centimeters.

These patients often require TPN, total parenteral nutrition, which can be for 20 hours, 22 hours a day and at a cost to the healthcare system of potentially over and typically over $0.5 million a year and that's without complications, and these patients often have complications, serious complications as well.

In Europe, with typically single-payer healthcare systems, where diseases provide an opportunity for business model, for Crofelemer that represents a different value parameter.

Specifically, we believe Crofelemer will reduce the time and quantity need for parental nutrition and hence increase the opportunities parentegral nutrition, entered directly into the stomach, directly into the intestinal track.

To that end, Napo EU submitted an orphan drug designation application for Crofelemer for the indication of short bowel syndrome for review by the European Medicines Agency, EMA, and EMA is equivalent to the FDA in the U.S. We submitted this in -- or Napo EU submitted this in September.

Acceptance of the submission by EMA started the formal review process of the application, so they did accept a submission, and the formal review process is by EMA's Committee for Orphan Medicinal Products.

I'm very pleased to report today, here, that on November 5th, the Committee for Orphan Medicinal Products provided us with a positive opinion for the orphan drug designation of crofelemer in the EU for this indication, short bowel syndrome.

The formal decision and designation for crofelemer for short bowel syndrome with orphan designation should be received within the next 30 days, and this is a key benchmark and achievement for the Napo EU business plans.

As a reminder, Crofelemer previously received orphan-drug designation in the United States from the Food and Drug Administration for short bowel syndrome. In Europe, however, the orphan designation provides a pathway for accelerated pre -approval patient access, because of the catastrophic health situation of many short bowel syndrome patients.

And it's part of the reason why the initial strategic focus of Napo EU. Massimo Mineo, the General Manager of Napo EU, has extensive -- and was announced yesterday, has extensive experience with orphan and rare disease business management in Europe. And it's very exciting right now.

I am speaking from a hotel in Boston and the Napo EU management team is over a year from Italy. Travel was permitted and they are meeting and we are meeting with the Jaguar drug development team as I speak, providing a download of all things Crofelemer.

The sharing of data between the 2 organization augments the opportunity for multiple clinical shots on - goal of Crofelemer for each organization. And in particular, allows Jaguar to benefit from another shot on - goal with non-diluted financing. And that's specifically for Crofelemer in pursuit of short bowel syndrome indications.

Before I hand the discussion over to Carol Lizak, Jaguar's Chief Financial Officer, who will provide a recap of key financial results for the third quarter of 2021.

I want to highlight the fact that Mytesi prescription volumes, the metric we believe to be the best indicator of patient’s demand increased 7.6% in the third quarter of 2021 over the second quarter of 2021. And new Mytesi prescriptions increased 9 % during the same comparison periods.

Mytesi total prescription volume remain ed the same in the third quarter of 2021 over the third quarter of the year ago, 2020, and new Mytesi prescriptions increased by 10.5% during the same comparison period. And we're all aware, of course, that this has been the pandemic period.

What's very important, and I want to address head-on, the fact that we are still in the midst of the process of transitioning a substantial amount of Mytesi volume to a close network of specialty pharmacies, rather than the wholesalers that resale the product to retail pharmacies.

This transition results in an under-representation of Mytesi utilization as revenue related to the wholesaler inventory has already been recognized by Jaguar as required and in accordance with GAAP. And that inventory is now being bought down.

This inventory buy down is in full to our financial measurements and is expected to be completed in the fourth quarter of this year.

So why do we do this? A key component of the Company's market access to strategy, this initiative to transition to a closed network of specialty pharmacies is intended and is in fact helping to remove access barriers for patients receiving Mytesi prescriptions and includes services such as a higher level of support for prior authorizations, appeals, at appearance counseling, home delivery options, all of which has become even more important during the pandemic.

And while patients often visit retail pharmacies for short-term or uncomplicated medical needs, Specialty Pharmacy focus in -- Specialty Pharmacy themselves focus on servicing patients with complex and chronic medical conditions.

Financially, the transition to a close network with Specialty Pharmacy is expected to result in a meaningful reduction in Lightec redistribution costs, and strategically prepares the Company's U.S. commercial distribution network for future indication expansion of Crofelemer to other populations of patients with complex medical move.

We'll get through this transition, and we believe, and that's why we did this transition for the good of the business to be in a better place in 2022 and beyond. With a focus on prescription growth, payer mix, net revenue growth, and getting our reps back into promotional face-to-face post-pandemic office visits.

Lastly, I'd like to let all of you participating know that we will have a brief Q&A segment at the end of the webcast to address questions. Some have already come in and they can be submitted in writing.

Questions can be submitted via the webcast link for today's event that appears on the Events and Presentations page of the Investor Relations section of Jaguar's website. The URL to Jaguar's website is jaguar. Health. Okay. We'll now move along to the key financial results for the third quarter of 2021. I'm going to hand this over to you, Carol, please..

Carol Lizak Chief Financial Officer

Thank you, Lisa. And thank you all for joining our webcast today. Key financial highlights for the quarter ended September 30th, 2021 are as follows. As Lisa as stated, Mytesi prescription volumes increased 7.6% in the third quarter of 2021 over the second quarter of 2021. And new Mytesi prescriptions increased 9 % during the same period.

Mytesi total prescription volume, remained the same in the third quarter of 2021. Over the third quarter of 2020, our new Mytesi prescriptions increased by 10.5% during the same period.

Mytesi net revenue during the third quarter of 2021 was approximately $600,000 and approximately $400,000 in the second quarter of 2021, an increase of $200,000 quarter-over-quarter. Mytesi net revenue decreased like 2.2 million in the third quarter of 2021 versus the third quarter of 2020.

As part of the process of transitioning to the closed specialty pharmacy network, the third quarter of 2021 was significantly impacted by the one-time inventory draw-down of approximately 1300 bottles of Mytesi across the Company's third-party logistics warehouse, wholesalers, distributors, and retail stores.

The Company expects essentially a full transition to Mytesi prescriptions, being dispensed through Specialty Pharmacies by the end of the fourth quarter of 2021.

Mytesi gross revenue, non-GAAP measure was approximately $2.2 million during the third quarter of 2021 and approximately $4.9 million in the second quarter of 2021, a decrease of $1.7 million quarter-over-quarter. Mytesi growth revenue decreased by 3.1 million in the third quarter of 2021 versus the third quarter of 2020.

As mentioned, the third quarter of 2021 was significantly impacted by the one-time inventory draw-down of approximately 1300 bottles of Mytesi across the Company's third-party logistics warehouse, wholesalers, distributors, and retail stores.

Sales volumes distributed through the Company's recently established, and expanding, pool of third-party specialty pharmacies through which Mytesi is distributed was approximately 38 % of total sales volume in the third quarter of 2021 compared to approximately 17 % in the second quarter of 2021.

For the third quarter of 2021, the net loss was $12.2 million compared to the net loss of $7.9 million in the third quarter of 2020, an increase of 4.3 million quarter-over-quarter. That concludes my recap of high level financial for the third quarter of 2021. I will now hand the discussion back to Lisa..

Lisa Conte Founder, Chief Executive Officer, President & Director

Thank you, Carol. Okay. So, we have some written questions and this time I've got them. And we also have on the phone, Ian Wendt, who is our Chief Commercial Officer. And -- so I'm just going to take the first question and send it right over to Ian here.

The question is, why have your office for strategy which delivers you less sales year over year? And so, we have not opted for strategy for less sales. I'm going to turn this over to Ian, but I just want to repeat what I said and add. First and foremost, we're patient-community-focused.

And we focus on the patient, then everything else will fall into place here. But Ian, why don't you talk about what the key financial and strategic catalysts are for the move into the Specialty Pharmacy network, please..

Ian Wendt Chief Commercial Officer

Thank you, Lisa, and happy to do that, and good morning. Great question and one I think gets straight to the point of what we're trying to communicate on this call. So, I'll try to address this in a couple of different ways.

But first, this is really part of this overarching strategy that we've been implementing for about a year-and-a-half, which internally we call our market access strategy, really designed to better support patients in their ability to start and stay on Mytesi. And we've already seen evidenced that this is working significantly.

Part of that strategy is the transition of Mytesi patients to receive their prescriptions in specialty pharmacies and we've known for a while now that patients do better if they're serviced by a Specialty Pharmacy that just have the capacity and capabilities to provide these enhanced set of services for these patients.

So, when we look at some of these key metrics that we believe are important from an outcome’s perspective, that are important from patients, we've known for a while that they do better because we always had a subset of our patients that were in the specialty space, the vast majority of the patients were in the retail space, and so we could see that difference.

Just as an example, patients in specialty pharmacies tend to stay on the drug longer, significantly longer, which is great, and that has to do with the adherence counseling, fighting for the PAs and appeals with pairs that the specialty pharmacies do. The days between fills is significantly lower.

So ideally, the patients should be filling their script every 30 days and those that are in the SP environment get closer to that number than those in the retail number.

The prescription to fill ratio, which is really critical, that basically measures out of 100 prescriptions that are written, what percentage of them are actually filled that tells you how good of a job you're doing in managing through the PA appeals process, the barriers that payers put in place.

And that's higher in the SP environment we know in the long run, patients do better in this environment. It's really important for us to have all patients benefit from what the SPs can offer.

Not just today, and it's certainly important for Mytesi in the current indication, but becomes critically important in the future for potential future indications with much larger market opportunities.

The long-term strategy is to set us up to better support these patients, and that will result in greater year-on-year sales growth, in our belief, and we're already seeing those key metrics represent that.

Ultimately, this will help support a more favorable payer mix and higher net price for the -- for Mytesi, which is something we watch quite closely.

Getting through this period, as Lisa talked about earlier, and Carol mentioned earlier as well, we really had to get through this inventory buy-down that sat out in the retail channel and there were about 1300 bottles out there. So, on gross sales basis, that's about $2.8 million.

We had to let that flow through the inventory channel and be dispensed out to patients. And then once the inventory pipeline essentially is empty, once the wholesalers don't have any more product, once the retailers don't have any more product, then those patients have been moving over to the SP channel and buying directly.

Which has resulted in the benefits we've talked about, including the dramatic reduction in distribution fees associated with those pharmacies buying directly from us..

Lisa Conte Founder, Chief Executive Officer, President & Director

Thanks, Ian. And I do want to say to everyone that we own this and we recognize that this is a painful transition for everyone financially. And hopefully, we've explained the benefits to the Company, to the patients of doing that. And remember, Mytesi for HIV is the first commercialized indication.

And it is a gift in setting up the strategy and the distribution for the product for what we believe is going to be really important to follow on indications for Mytesi and for Crofelemer co-founder. And that will have the benefit of having this network already set up. So, we do acknowledge that this has been painful for everyone. Okay.

Next question -- I'm going to get to all the questions, but I'm going to just skip to a third question right now because it's relevant. What is the market potential for chemotherapy-induced diarrhea and exercise-induced diarrhea? This is Canalevia. So, this is the dog product of -- the dog prescription products of Crofelemer.

And also, after the potential launches of Canalevia in chemotherapy-induced diarrhea -- exercise-induced diarrhea, do you see any other potential usage of Canalevia in dogs. So, Ian, again, get ready to comment on this, but I'm going to put in a few comments first.

First of all, we don't give out financial guidance, as you know, but we do think that the dog indications first are certainly chemotherapy-induced diarrhea is remarkably predictive health situation of the human situation.

In dogs, it's predictive of how the humans react to these drugs and the diarrhea that results from that and therefore, of course, the benefit that we're expecting from crofelemer. We do think that this will be about as important a specialty market opportunity as Mytesi in HIV.

But what's also quite interesting, in the United States, it's a self-pay situation for veterinary medicine. And so therefore, the difference between the gross and the net is much more predictive than we've had in the human situation.

And so, for example, the strategy of moving to Specialty Pharmacy to address patients, to address the net, to address the health of the business, is it -- is the different situation and much more straightforward in dog. We will expect the approval and the launch, as I said, at the very end of December.

Specifically, we're looking at a date of December 27th for chemotherapy-induced diarrhea approval and launch. Exercise-induced diarrhea is a conditional approval that is probably about 6 months away, so in the midst of 2022. Other potential uses of Canalevia, we'd obviously like to have the product studied and approved in all diarrhea in dogs.

And that is a strategy that is being discussed internally right now, weighing the resources and the attention that we give to our human pipeline versus our animal pipeline because that's not in the initial labeled targeted indication.

Ian, is there anything you would like to add about the plans for the launch for Canalevia?.

Ian Wendt Chief Commercial Officer

Yeah. Just a couple of points, I think, that might be interesting for folks to understand. We did do the market research on assessing the market potential for CAD. I can't give specific numbers, but what I can say is that our baseline assumptions were more conservative than what's the market research returned to us in terms of how we size this market.

That was really encouraging for us to see as we continue to engage in conversations with key opinion leaders and potential prescribers as part of that market research effort. We get a lot of great questions around the CID indication.

And then one of the questions that comes up quite often is, what future indications might Crofelemer potentially have an app -- where it might have an application for a variety of different populations.

And I think where that comes from, and I think this is a good thing to understand about the market, is there's no currently approved any diarrheal for dogs, not just within CID, but in broader diarrhea diagnoses outside of CID. There is this unmet medical need.

There is this sense of certainly enthusiasm among KOLs looking for a new solution, a new tool to use for these patients. So, we're quite excited about the launch. As Lisa indicated, we anticipate our approval letter coming back on December 27th, and we are certainly preparing for -- to really get the word out there to pet owners and to providers.

We have rather large event plan ned at VMX, which is a veterinary conference that takes place in the middle of January, is kind of a kickoff for a lot of our launch activities. So, we have a lot planned around that and more to come on execution as we get through that conference..

Lisa Conte Founder, Chief Executive Officer, President & Director

first of all, it's going to be out-of-pocket, it's going to be expensive, could be $10,000, $12,000, $15,000. Secondly, you want to manage the side effects that if you're going to do this, that you're in fact going to be able to keep the dog on the therapeutic dose.

As we talked about, about 40 % have to go on a sub-therapeutic dose to stop therapy because of diarrhea. Also then, the patient's comfort -- the dog's comfort, it is consistently come back is such an important factor in the decision process because you can't talk to the dog and say, just suck it up, you're going to feel terrible.

It's going to be awful for 2, 3 months, but things will be better. So, the patient comfort is very important in this decision process.

And then the last thing is the practicality of really the home and the quality of life for everybody if the dog has lost control, and what that means for your rug, your carpet, your health hold really be experience for the whole family. It's really interesting dynamics.

It's a situation where I certainly have found over the 30 years of working with Crofelemer and diarrhea was always a bit of human reticent to talking about human bowel function and diarrhea. But dog owners have no problem. It's all about poop. They have -- anybody who has a dog in apartment, there's no problem talking about poop.

So, we really think there can be some halo effect in terms of education into the human situation as well. So, there will be some consumer outreach that you will see, which will be very exciting.

Okay, [Indiscernible] question, when do you expect completion of enrollment in the Phase 3 cancer indication? This is chemo -- this is cancer therapy-related diarrhea, this is the human indication cancer therapy-related diarrhea, the prophylaxis study that is ongoing right now with targeted therapy, with or without underlying chemotherapy and we are planning on the last patient enrollment by the end of 2022.

This is Mytesi. This is the exact formulation of Mytesi that is currently commercialized. So, supply chain is in place, that's the approved the GMP supply chain. Mytesi for HIV is a chronic indication. So chronic safety has been completed.

For example, 2-year carcinogenicity studies, and just as an aside, the two most common reasons why new drug applications fail, are safety and manufacturing. So those have been completed.

When we file the data from the pivotal Phase 3 trial, it should be in 6 months supplemental review for the approval, and we're planning for the launch at some point in 2023 in terms of manufacturing supplies. Okay. When is the merge? I assume this is the Napo EU merger with staff, the long [Indiscernible] process completed. It's over.

It completed in November. I believe we announced it on November 1st. It is effective. Napo EU is merged with Dragon SPAC, the resulting named is Napo EU, so you will no longer hear Dragon SPAC. The combined organization is Napo EU and has the resources that came from the investment that went into Dragon SPAC.

And as I said, is allowing that Company to operate under license from Jaguar and is providing another clinical shot on - goal in the pipeline Crofelemer as development with non-diluted resources from Jaguar Health, and that's why I'm in Boston right now meeting with that team and making those plans. Let's see.

What countries do you believe are the biggest markets for crofelemer in Europe? I can answer that very effectively.

The biggest markets and the markets that provide the earliest pre -approval, those are keywords, pre -approval standard patient access in Europe for an orphan designation, the cost of the catastrophic nature of these patients and difference in the U.S., I assume, I believe, because of the single payer healthcare system and anything that can be done that can reduce the cost of taking care of these situations as well as provide benefit to them, are Italy, and that happens to be where Napo EU is located in Milano, Italy, France, and Germany.

But they are all the European countries with the exception of Russia, we call Russia and Europe, are part of the license.

But those 3 countries, in particular, are not only very large markets, but provide the opportunity for pre -approval accelerated patient access for an orphan product, which means revenue generation, which is very [Indiscernible] Could you talk about what's the -- I'm going to -- Ian, I'm going to give this to you again.

Are you noticing additional patient's stickiness through the Specialty Pharmacy? Do you want to take that, Ian?.

Ian Wendt Chief Commercial Officer

Happy to and yes. The short answer is yes, we are. And I mentioned, I think some of those key metrics a little bit earlier, but just to review them really quickly because these are things that we watch quite closely as we look at persistency, so that's how long the patient remains on drug.

We look at a metric called MPR, which is medication possession ratio. So out of those x number of days that they're on the drug, how many of those days that they have drug in hand. And so that kind of gets at some patients fill every 30 days, some patients fill every 40 to 45 days. Patients don't always fill exactly when they are supposed to.

The ideas that we want to get the days between fills lower, closer to 30 and we're seeing improvements in that metric as well. We also look at the time it takes from a patient when they receive their prescription from the doctor to when they actually get the fill dispensed.

And that can be longer than you might expect sometimes, right? Patients, they have to get to the pharmacy, there has to be a PA, maybe that has to be managed by the pharmacy and provider. Sometimes in the retail sector, that doesn't happen at all. Unfortunately, people just don't have time to do it.

Maybe the follow-up isn't there in the specialty space. They're much better at doing that and they can get through that in just a handful of days versus weeks. Those are some of the key metrics we look at. And really, we see it's a pretty stark difference between the retail pharmacies, the type of support and outcomes that they deliver.

And remember, the retail pharmacy space is just volume-driven. They're filling prescriptions all day, every day and they're checking folks out with some of their groceries in the front store, purchases the patient makes and they have a lot of things going on.

They can't really devote extra time, nor is it very cost effective for them to do that, the extra time needed for some of these specialty products that just require more support. And specialty pharmacies can do that and the metrics really support the idea that we're getting better outcomes there..

Lisa Conte Founder, Chief Executive Officer, President & Director

Great. Ian, I'm going to give you another one..

Ian Wendt Chief Commercial Officer

Yeah..

Lisa Conte Founder, Chief Executive Officer, President & Director

Let me see. Hang on.

How do you see Mytesi revenues being impacted further as greater specialty pharmacies continue to offer the product?.

Ian Wendt Chief Commercial Officer

Well, once we get through the transition period, we know that the patients that we've already -- have already been on Mytesi, I guess we'll start there, are going to do better for the reasons that I just mentioned.

Like, they'll stay on the -- we expect them to stay on the product longer, fewer days between refills, all those great things that really demonstrate the patient is getting better support in general.

The metric that we were really suffering from, and really this isn't unique to Mytesi, a lot of brands have struggled with this, is the ratio between -- is the prescription to fill ratio. Again, just to review that it's for every 100 prescriptions written, what percentage of them actually get filled because different plans have them tiered.

There are co-pays, there's step edits, there's different things that the payers put in place that can make it difficult for the medication that the prescriber wants the patient to be on to actually -- to get filled.

So, we see that we are going to -- we already see that we're improving that metric quite significantly for the reasons I mentioned earlier. So that bodes well for new patients -- it bodes well for the existing patients, but it bodes well for new patients too.

We're going to have a higher ratio of those folks that the physician would like to have starting Mytesi and stay on Mytesi. To be able to successfully do that. And really that's supports the underlying long-range vision of the strategy, right? Better support those patients allow more patients to benefit -- appropriate patients to benefit from Mytesi..

Lisa Conte Founder, Chief Executive Officer, President & Director

Great, thank you. There's a question here about -- let me read it just so that everybody has the same basis of understanding here. Prescriptions in veterinarian offices, for the most part are profit-centered.

If anybody with an animal, you go to the vet, often you just walk out right with your prescription there and they do a mark up from the price that they get from the veterinary wholesalers.

And as we've also said, not just to underscore this again, because of the self-pay situation, one of the strategy -- financial strategies of moving to Specialty Pharmacy in addition to the better patient service, is to just have a more predictive situation on that gross to net ratio, whereas it's quite predictive in the animal health area.

So, there was a question about pricing of Canalevia. And we are finalizing that right now in doing -- and have done a great bit of research to looking at other situations where there is a human active ingredient and animal active ingredient, and what is the typical pricing ratio right there. So that's how we're going about that situation.

There's a question about the number of things that I'm juggling between Jaguar and Napo EU, and would you give a with the work to another CEO for Napo EU. Let me tell you the nomenclature is different in Italy. So, a General Manager, Massimo Mineo, is the CEO responsibility.

He is essentially the president and CEO in terms of the activities, the responsibilities, what he is managing. And I am a board member of Napo EU. So, my full attention and responsibility, of course, is on the business of Jaguar.

However, remember that Napo EU is providing another clinical shot on - goal for Crofelemer, all that clinical data, which will likely -- that clinical trial will likely be conducted on a global basis, which is typically done for rare diseases, because you have a small number of patients that will be available for the United States -- for regulatory filings in the United States.

And we are a very large shareholder of Napo EU and the financial benefit that we would expect to come from that. As Napo EU achieved its Chatham goal follow-on indications, will it eventually have filed for an IPO at aim Italia (ph) in the future? Napo EU absolutely has its eyes on a public offering.

And a key transformative event in value enhancement is, of course, proof-of-concept data in humans first revenue generation. Remember, as I've said, for an orphan designation, in Europe, there can be reimbursed pre -approval patient access for an orphan designation and that would be a strong value-enhancing moment to seek a public listing.

I can also tell you that quite likely it would not be in listing in Italy, it would be a larger exchange. Let's see. Are you working on any new business deals? What we haven't spoken about is our early-stage discovery program, which takes very little resources. It's mobilizing assets that we have in the Company for Entheogen Therapeutics Initiative.

That's an initiative within the Company looking at psychoactive and psychedelic agent plants, all the way to some pure compounds that are already in our 2,300-plant library from first-hand field investigations that this Company has conducted with western-trained physicians as [Indiscernible] and shamans when he was in the field over a 32-year period of time.

The fascinating field of research, looking at ways of curing and treating mood disorders offer to mental health disorders there's a great deal of funding that has gone into this area in general. But almost all of it is focused on the same 7 compounds.

So [Indiscernible], and DNA, [Indiscernible] And what we're providing is an opportunity for what is the next generation of the psycho active and psychedelic agents that can prevent new ways not constrained by known mechanisms of action to treat and potentially cure these mental disorders.

And it's exactly the pathway of what we successfully did with Crofelemer.

So followed a plan that has been utilized by chime in for symptoms in the field, bringing it back home, finding a totally new mechanism of action because what we were watching was the symptoms in a whole organism not doing high throughput screening against a known target or a known mechanism of action that likely already has candidates that are on the market or in clinical development.

Taking it through as the first oral products approved by the FDA, as the drug -- drug approval by the FDA. Under botanical gardens which provides a very, very important exclusivity advantage, since there is no pathway by which a generic can be produced.

So, these are all skill sets that have been proven are on our -- within this Company, take very, very little resources for us to mobilize.

And then what we're looking to do, as I've said before, is collaborate with a Company that is focused on the regulatory, the clinical development, the commercialization of these new potential agents, and we're having really, really exciting discussions.

We have an amazing scientific strategy team that is almost identical to the scientific strategy team of world-class pharmacologists who study how plants are being used as medicines in tropical areas.

That was in place when we started the Company 32 years ago and has been brought back together in the past year to specifically focus now on our library and new plant collections in this area. The other area where we would, and I just said this publicly as well, we have a sales force. We have our first product.

It's -- can you put another product in the bag? And so, we're always on the lookout for something that could fully utilize the resource that we have up and out there, our sales force, our commercial efforts, while we are waiting for the pipeline indications of Mytesi to get developed and approved, and it's got to be the right fit, does not resource away, it has to be something that's additive to the Company.

So that's something that we're always looking for. And let's see if I have nailed all the questions here. Looking into [Indiscernible] nothing in the public. I think I have gotten to -- what where do you see the Company in 3 years. In 3 years, it will be very exciting.

We believe that we will have completed, the pivotal clinical investigation and the approvals for 2 more indications. That's why I would expect it to be. Remember all the forward-looking statements that were previously discussed here. But that would be the timing for CTV cancer therapy related diarrhea. That's the Mytesi indication in the United States.

And then short bowel syndrome, a full approval in -- or a conditional approval, full access to all patients in multiple European countries. Again, that data is available in the United States.

So, we are already looking at, would there need to do any additional work to support the approval in the United States, where we already have orphan designation, that's Crofelemer in a highly concentrated liquid formulation. So that's not Mytesi.

Different products, different value propositions, different business model of very, very high-valued chronic medicine for small population. That's very expensive to take care of with very, very large mortality and morbidity situation. So that's very exciting business.

And then of course, Canalevia, and thinking about ways to get Canalevia to all animals that are dealing with diarrhea. And then the last piece is the whole Crofelemer story is, how do we get crofelemer to all patients in need, all channels, all countries. And that's the business development efforts that we have going on right now.

So, we recently brought on an executive VP of business development with whom we have been consulting with the Company for the past 6 months.

So based on per work and how discussions have been progressing on the business development side, specifically focused on getting crofelemer out-licensed to all the countries in the world, we would expect to have those yields cut in the next year or so, which lays the groundwork then for where will the product be in terms of bringing in licensed compensation to the Company royalties, etc., profit sharing in other parts of the world and that certainly would be done, our expectation in the three-year period of time.

And then hopefully, of course, the collaboration will have been completed and there will be some novel models’ drugs coming out in the psychoactive and the psychedelic area. And I believe that concludes all the questions that I see here. I'm just going to disclosing on one more time, yes.

So, thank you very much for your attention and we got you off five minutes before the market opens. And I'm glad I was able to access the questions this time. And this was something good, we'll be doing that in the future. Thank you very much..

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