Jim Roth - President and CEO Mark Hussey - COO and CFO.

Tim McHugh – William Blair Paul Ginocchio - Deutsche Bank Michael Wheeler - SunTrust Robinson Humphrey Jason Anderson - Stifel Nicolaus Randle Reece - Avondale Partners Joe Foresi - Janney Montgomery Scott.

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen and welcome to Huron Consulting Group's webcast to discuss Financial Results for the Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2014. At this time, all conference call lines are in listen-only mode.

Later, we will conduct our question-and-answer session for our conference call participants, and instructions will follow at that time. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded.

Before we begin, I would like to point all of you to the disclosure at the end of the Company's news release for information about any forward-looking statements that may be made or discussed on this call. The news release is posted on Huron's Web site.

Please review that information along with the filings with the SEC for a disclosure of factors that may impact subjects discussed in this afternoon's webcast. The Company will be discussing one or more non-GAAP financial measures.

Please look at the earnings release and on Huron's Web site for all the disclosures required by the SEC, including reconciliations to the most comparable GAAP numbers. And now I would like to turn the call over to Jim Roth, Chief Executive Officer and President of Huron Consulting Group. Mr. Roth, please go ahead..

Good afternoon and welcome to Huron Consulting Group's fourth quarter and full year 2014 earnings call. With me today is Mark Hussey, our Chief Operating Officer and Chief Financial Officer.

We had a strong finish to the year with one exception clearly the performance of our Legal segment did not meet our expectations, which we will discuss momentarily.

As discussed on previous calls, we fully expected the second half of 2014 would yield a lower growth rate than we saw in the first half of the year due to the sizeable performance based fee we received in the first two quarters of 2014.

I am pleased to report that even with the unanticipated fourth quarter performance in Legal, our 2014 companywide revenue growth was 12.6% and we achieved adjusted EBITDA and adjusted EPS within our latest guidance range and well on excess of our initial guidance range.

As we begin 2015 the core markets we serve continue to be challenged by many of the same issues they faced in 2014 driving substantial change at our clients and ultimately creating favorable opportunities for Huron.

My view is that we continue to have many opportunities to expand our current services and add new services, both contributing to the growth potential for all Huron segments. Let me spend a few minutes on 2014 results before discussing our expectations for this year. I will start with Legal before discussing the other segments.

Since the credit crisis began in 2008 our Huron Legal segment has had several financial services clients that generated significant revenue. At its peak those clients were providing greater than $80 million in annual revenue for this segment.

As important as those clients were to Huron Legal's performance, we always knew that the unique issues coming from the credit crisis would ultimately be resolved. During the second half of 2014, some of the larger investigations were settled effectively ending the revenue stream we saw from those projects.

The wind down began to occur in the summer and the impact to Huron Legal came more suddenly and more steeply than we had anticipated in the fourth quarter of 2014. In addition to the wind down of these significant projects, Q4 was the first quarter in a while where we had no significant transactional work.

A combination of these two factors had a substantial impact on the results of our Legal segment. While the impact of these events was significant in 2014, it has given us the opportunity to reevaluate what a more sustainable run rate for this business should be in 2015.

We have reset our outlook for Huron Legal with the expectation that these large financial services engagements will not necessarily be a material part of our business in the foreseeable future.

Our relationship with these clients remain strong and while we anticipate that there will be ongoing revenue from these clients in 2015 and beyond, we do not expect that revenue from these clients will be close to historical levels.

In response to the rapid change in demand, we are aggressively reducing the infrastructure of the Legal business so that it's positioned to maintain margins similar to our recent performance in this segment. In order to do that, we have initiated some headcount reductions and are actively restructuring our Legal related facilities.

Let me reiterate that the fourth quarter shortfall in Legal is primarily attributable to two things. The sudden settlement of several of our large credit crisis related engagements and the unusual lack of significant transactional activity in the quarter.

We assume the portion that is attributable to the credit crisis is a permanent reduction in the size of the market, while we believe that the low we experienced in transactional activity is temporary.

The credit crisis and related litigation was unprecedented, it was clear that there would be an eventual diminishment of our large financial services projects and we strategically began to redefine our Legal business in 2012 by building a global sales organization or GSO.

The primary goals of the GSO are to mitigate client concentration within the Legal segment and to expand our services to a broader array of global corporate clients. During the past three years, the success of the GSO has enabled us to reduce our top-five institutional client concentration from 56% of revenue in 2012 to 35% in 2014.

GSO revenue alone has increased 50% in 2014 over 2013 and it has established over 100 new clients over the past two years. In addition to the GSO, our Huron Legal strategy includes creating a more holistic and robust offering to our corporate law department and law firm operations and expanding our international presence.

Our recent acquisition of Sky Analytics is an example of our efforts to diversify the offerings that we bring to the Legal market. The addition of Sky Analytics will strengthen Huron Legal's law department, management offering and complement our deep consulting experience.

We've seen no indication that we are losing market share or that our presence in the market has diminished even after the wind down of these large credit crisis related projects. We are confident in Huron Legal's ability to deliver exceptional client results and we expect continued growth of the new reduced client base.

The other three segments Healthcare, Education and Life Sciences and Business Advisory are all performing well and we believe they are strongly positioned for continued growth in 2015. I will now turn to the 2014 performance of these segments. Huron Healthcare had another great year.

Our Healthcare team continues to deliver the exceptional revenue cycle, performance improvement and clinical transformation services we are known for.

Our primary focus is to help our clients achieve lower costs and improve quality while preparing them for value-based models of care during the time of significant consolidation across the provider market.

As we have predicted earlier in 2014, performance based fees were more front end loaded during the first half of the year than we have seen in the prior two years. The timing of performance based fees is dependent upon the start date and project duration for contingent engagements.

The strong level of performance based fees earned during the first half of 2014 was related to the completion of engagements that started in late 2012 and early 2013. We also had several very large assessments begin in the fourth quarter of last year.

Those assessments are continuing into the first quarter of 2015 and will likely lead to multi-year engagements.

In addition to the solid financial performance of the Healthcare practice, I'm very encouraged by the fact that we continue to be hired by many of the most prominent hospitals and health systems in the country to help them with a complex array of strategic, financial and operational issues.

The Huron Education and Life Sciences segment continue to see a pickup in activity in the fourth quarter leading to solid performance for the year. Second half revenues increased 4% over the first half, while utilization improved to 73% compared to 70% in the first half of 2014.

Our higher education clients remain pressured to lower the cost of education while improving student outcomes in the market that faces more value scrutiny than ever before. With the sustained demand for our services our pipeline continues to build as we move into 2015.

In our Life Sciences practice we recently celebrated the one year anniversary of the Frankel Group acquisition. The Life Sciences team is now fully integrated and developing strong synergies to supports the needs of our pharmaceutical and medical device plans.

The combined team has seen expanded reach with well recognized global clients winning new engagements in U.S. and internationally. The Huron Business advisory segment had a solid finish to 2014. The legacy Business advisory practice achieved strong fourth quarter year-over-year growth.

Our middle market clients continue to look for ways to optimize their performance to remain competitive and the restructuring business remains stable amidst ongoing uncertainty in various sectors of our economy. Our Enterprise Performance Management and Analytics or EPM practice which was acquired in late 2013, achieved aggressive growth in 2014.

It continued to work across a wide array of industries and are increasingly collaborating with our other segments to deliver their services to our core verticals. Turning to our view of Huron for 2015, we are setting our revenue guidance at 880 million to 920 million and our adjusted EPS guidance at $3.70 to $4.

Although we do not provide revenue guidance by segment I would like to discuss my expectations for growth in each of our businesses. Our current 2015 revenue guidance is based on the following key assumptions.

Healthcare achieving revenue growth in the mid single-digits, Studer Group achieving double-digit revenue growth based on full year projections.

Legal reflecting a lower post credit crisis base of business will have a mid-teen reduction in revenue as compared to 2014 results, Education and Life Sciences achieving mid to high single-digit growth and Business Advisory achieving mid to high-teen revenue growth. Let me remind you that these assumptions do not include potential new acquisitions.

Excluding the impact of the anticipated lower Huron Legal revenue, we expect companywide organic revenue growth in the mid single-digits year-over-year and overall revenue growth of approximately 11% at the midpoint of our guidance range. We are estimating Healthcare performance based fees in 2015 will be $60 million to $80 million.

Our anticipated range of performance fees is lower and wider than the range we guided towards 2014. More recently we have begun to see an increasing shift among our Healthcare clients towards fixed fee engagements in large part due to widespread confidence among our clients that we will deliver the required performance metrics.

We also expect that performance based fees as a percentage of total Healthcare revenue will continue to decline. Irrespective of the anticipated range of performance based fees we expect our Healthcare EBITDA margins to be consistent with historical levels.

In terms of timing we expect our Healthcare revenue to be more backend loaded this year similar to the patterns that we saw in 2012 and 2013. We have a number of large assessments underway and we have less visibility as to the precise quarter in which the performance based fees will fall.

As a result we expect Healthcare revenue to be greater in the second half of the year, as I have mentioned often in the past we manage our business based on annual forecast and we believe that our year-end results in this segment will meet our expectations.

We continue to have a strong track-record of winning assignments that involved large hospital systems and economic medical centers where the size and degree of complexity are at perfect fit for Huron Healthcare’s competencies.

We expect the challenges of our clients face will continue and that we will see solid demand for our services in the marketplace in 2015 and beyond.

We are excited to have recently closed our acquisition of Studer Group which will strengthen our core solutions and help our clients be better prepared to respond to the evolving trends toward a more patient-centric care environment. As hospitals continue to look for ways to lower costs and improve the quality of patient care in their organizations.

Huron Healthcare and Studer Group are the perfect combination to address all aspects of their transformation, operationally, clinically and culturally. We anticipate that Studer Group will have low double-digit revenue growth and will be accretive to earnings this year on an adjusted basis.

Our historical Healthcare related acquisitions of Wellspring in 2007 and Stockamp in 2008 demonstrate Huron’s ability use corporate resources to drive significant value for our shareholders.

We expect the Studer Group acquisition will provide similar opportunities for value creation for our investors and we are also excited about the added value that our combined services offer to our Healthcare clients.

Turning to Huron Legal assuming the reduction in our credit crisis related revenue is permanent we will be operating under a new normal for this segment as it relates to financial performance.

In 2015 we anticipate a mid-teen decline in year-over-year revenue as this business evolves absent large credit crisis related work and we will use the new base for projecting future growth in this segment.

Despite the reduction in our revenue assumptions due to the variable nature of labor in this business and the aggressive cost reductions already underway we anticipate operating margins to continue to be consistent with recent historical levels for Huron Legal in 2015.

However this segment remains highly dependent upon transactional work and the traditional lumpiness in this business makes it difficult to predict. Despite the significant revenue decline attributable to the wind down of the credit crisis related investigations our view of the market remains promising.

The growth of our GSO related business over the past three years reflects a continuing narrowing of the market to e-discovery firms that are able to address industry driven superiority standards an attribute that Huron Legal has solidly achieved.

The often mentioned proliferation of electronic data and media remains a critical part of the growth of this industry together with our increasing ability to manage the global leads of our clients we are confident that our share of the growing business will increase at an attractive level from our newly induced base of business for Huron Legal.

In our Education and Life Sciences segment we expect to see mid to high single-digits revenue growth based on continued solid demand prospects in those industries.

The higher education industry is undergoing rapid and dramatic change and our clients are feeling unabated pressure on the top and bottom-line combined with increasing public demands for improved outcomes.

Similarly in the Life Sciences practice our clients face the continued need to drive top-line results, improve their product pipelines and mitigate regulatory risk. We believe we are well positioned in this segment for the year.

More and more higher education institutions and corporations are turning to the cloud for their administrative needs which creates opportunities for our education and EPM analytics practices. We are investing in our businesses to be able to deliver both Oracle cloud solutions and Workday enterprise cloud solutions.

With the support of Workday senior executives and because of our great relationship with higher education institutions we were able to become a Workday Services partner in October. After considering acquisitions in this space we decided to build rather than buy our Workday practice as the cost will be significantly less than pursuing a transaction.

In 2015 we are making an investment to rapidly grow our Workday resources and Mark will discuss our investments shortly.

We are well underway in our hiring and training efforts to support our growth in this new practice we anticipate revenue generation from our Workday practice starting in the second half of 2015 and we are already actively in the market with Workday today. Finally we anticipate mid to high-teen growth in our Business Advisory segment.

The EPM and analytics and the legacy Business Advisory practice has strong backlog heading into 2015 including multiple broker dealer engagements. Let me conclude by saying how pleased I am with our strong 2014 performance which would not be possible without our highly talented professionals who have positioned us for success in recent years.

I am confident in the talent of our people and the opportunities created in our changing markets and I am proud of the culture that we have built that enables us to be so confident in the future. Now let me turn it over to Mark for a more detailed discussion of our fourth quarter results.

Mark?.

Thank you, Jim and good afternoon everyone. Before I begin please note that I will be discussing non-GAAP financial measures such as EBITDA, adjusted EBITDA, adjusted net income and adjusted EPS.

Our press release, Web site and 10-K each have reconciliations of these non-GAAP measures to the most comparable GAAP measures along with a discussion of why management uses these non-GAAP measures.

Also our previously announced acquisitions of Sky Analytics and Studer Group which closed in January and February respectively are not included in our fourth quarter financial results. Sky Analytics will be included within our Huron Legal segment and Studer Group will be included in our Huron Healthcare segment beginning in the first quarter of 2015.

Now I will walk through some of the key financial results for the quarter. Revenues for the fourth quarter of 2014 were 193.1 million down 8.6% from 211.3 million in the same quarter of 2013.

Revenues for the fourth quarter of 2014 reflect our acquisitions of the Frankel Group, Vonlay and Threshold Consulting which in aggregate generated $12.7 million of revenues adding 600 basis points to total revenue growth in Q4.

As I’ll discuss in further detail, the year-over-year decline in revenue is primarily attributable to two factors; first, in Q4 2013, we benefited from significantly higher than expected performance based fees creating a difficult comparison; second, as Jim mentioned, Huron Legal experienced a substantial decline in revenue during the fourth quarter due to a more suddenly than anticipated wind down of e-discovery work from some larger financial services investigations as well as the absence of large transactional work.

Operating income decreased $11 million or 29.9% to 25.9 million in Q4 2014 from 36.9 million in Q4 2013. Operating margin was 13.4% in Q4 2014 compared to 17.5% in Q4 2013.

The decrease in operating margin in Q4 2014 was primarily attributable to an increase in salaries and related expenses as a percentage of revenues as well as restructuring charges from consolidation of office space.

Adjusted EBITDA was 35.6 million in Q4 2014 or 18.4% of revenues compared to 44.6 million in Q4 2013 or 21.1% of revenues due primarily to higher salaries and related expenses as a percentage of revenues. On a full year basis, adjusted EBITDA as a percentage of revenues remained even with 2013 at 19.2%.

Net income from continuing operations was $12.8 million or $0.57 per diluted share in the fourth quarter of 2014 compared to 22.1 million or $0.96 per diluted share in the same quarter last year.

Adjusted non-GAAP net income from continuing operations was 16.8 million or $0.74 per diluted share in the fourth quarter of 2014 compared to 24 million or $1.05 per diluted share in the same period of 2013.

For the full year, 2014 adjusted non-GAAP net income from continuing operations was $78.5 million or $3.42 per share compared with 67.5 million or $2.96 per share in 2013. Our effective income tax rate in the fourth quarter of 2014 was 42% compared to 38.2% a year ago.

The increase in our effective tax rate for Q4 of this year was primarily attributable to higher state taxes and higher losses in foreign jurisdictions with no tax benefit when compared to Q4 2013. This was partially offset by the R&D tax credit realized in Q4 2014.

On a full year basis, our 2014 effective tax rate was 31% inclusive of the one-time tax benefit recorded in Q1 2014 resulting from the check-the-box election. On a normalized basis excluding the non-recurring tax benefit, our effective tax rate was 40%. Now I'll make a few comments about the performance of each of our operating segments.

Huron Healthcare segment generated 56.7% of total company revenues during the fourth quarter of 2014. The segment posted revenues of 109.5 million for the fourth quarter of 2014 down 4.6 million or 4.1% from the fourth quarter of 2013. Revenues for the fourth quarter of 2014 included $7.2 million from our acquisition of Vonlay.

Excluding Vonlay, organic revenue decreased 10.4% compared to the year ago quarter primarily due to the higher than expected level of performance based fees in Q4 of 2013. Performance based fees in Q4 2014 were 33.2 million compared to 45.5 million in the same quarter last year.

On a full year basis, Huron Healthcare revenue increased 15.9% including the impact of the Vonlay acquisition which added $20 million to 2014. On an organic basis, revenue increased 10.3% for the year. Performance based fees for the full year 2014 were 103.2 million compared to 104.5 million in 2013.

As we stated on recent calls, 2014 was anticipated to be a more front end loaded year for Huron Healthcare than in the prior two years. I'd also like to remind everyone that the timing of performance based fees can vary significantly. They’re not driven by a seasonal pattern but rather than the mix of engagements at any point in time.

Operating income margin for Huron Healthcare was 38% for Q4 2014 compared to 44.2% for the same quarter in 2013. The decrease in margin was primarily due to higher salaries, bonus and related expenses as a percentage of revenues as well as an increase in intangible assets amortization resulting from our acquisition of Vonlay.

As expected, utilization in this segment sequentially improved in the fourth quarter. Utilization was 78.6% in Q4 2014 compared to 74% in the third quarter of 2014. Our Huron Legal segment generated revenues of 29.2 million in Q4 2014 compared to 51.1 million in Q4 of 2013.

As Jim mentioned the wind down of work from several large credit crisis related investigations came much more suddenly and more steeply than we anticipated. In addition, we did not have significant transactional work in the fourth quarter which also negatively impacted revenue.

The operating income margin for our Huron Legal segment was 23.7% in the fourth quarter of 2014 compared to 25.6% in the same quarter of 2013. Despite the significant decline in revenue during the quarter, this segment largely maintained its operating income margin in line with prior periods.

There are two factors that sustained margins in the quarter; first, the reduction in revenue was highly concentrated in the Discovery Services business which benefits from a variable cost model that aligns resources with demand. In addition as many of you know our practice bonus plans are based on achievement of annual EBITDA.

When actual results fell short accrued bonuses are reduced, which protects our margins. In summary lower contractor expenses along with reversals of accrued bonus and other cost reductions enabled the segment to deliver a 25.1% operating margin for the year compared to 23% for 2013.

And as Jim mentioned we are aggressively managing this segment to maintain 2015 operating margins on a lower revenue base. Huron Education and Life Sciences segment generated 19.7% of total company revenues during the fourth quarter of 2014.

The segment posted revenues of 38.1 million in Q4 2014, including $4.9 million from the Frankel Group which was acquired at the beginning of 2014. Revenues for Q4 of 2013 were 35.9 million.

As expected revenues in the second half of 2014 were stronger than in the first half of the year as demand strengthened in both the Education and Life Sciences practices. The operating income margin for Huron Education and Life Sciences was 22.5% for Q4 2014 compared to 28.3% for the same quarter in 2013.

Utilization for the fourth quarter of 2014 was 74.2% compared to 66% reported in Q4 of 2013. The Huron Business Advisory segment generated revenues of 15.7 million for the fourth quarter of 2014 compared to 9.6 million in Q4 of 2013. Both our legacy Business Advisory and EPM and analytics practices delivered very strong results in the quarter.

On a full year basis the legacy Business Advisory practice grew 9.4% while the EPM and analytics practice contributed $30 million in 2014 including $600,000 from the Threshold acquisition in October of 2014.

The operating income margin for the Huron Business Advisory segment was 12.4% for Q4 2014 compared to negative 8.2% for the same quarter in 2013. On a full year basis operating margin was 22.3% compared to 20.8% in 2013. Other corporate expenses that allocated at the segment level were $26 million in Q4 2014 compared with 26.7 million in Q4 of 2013.

In Q4 2014 we incurred a restructuring charge of $2 million related to consolidation of our Washington DC facilities as well as transaction related costs of $1.3 million. Now turning to the balance sheet and cash flows. DSO came in at 77 days for the fourth quarter of 2014 and was essentially flat compared to the third quarter of 2014.

We continue to strengthen our balance sheet in Q4. Total debt includes both the $250 million face value for convertible notes and $144 million in senior bank debt for total debt of $394 million. We finished the year with cash of $257 million or net debt of $137 million.

This was a $37 million improvement over Q3 of 2014 and an increase of $26 million compared to year-end of 2013.

Cash flow from operations from the year was over $146 million enabling us to fund $71 million in acquisitions including our investment in Sure Light, $50 million in share repurchases, 26 million in CapEx and $18 million related to transaction and hedge cost for the convertible debt offering.

Now let me summarize the guidance that was included in the press release. Both of our recent acquisitions Sky Analytics and Studer Group are included in our guidance range. We have not assumed any share repurchases that may occur throughout the year under our current $50 million authorization under which we have not yet made any repurchases.

With that said for the full year 2015 we anticipate revenues before reimbursable expenses in the range of $880 million to $920 million; EBITDA in the range of $169 million to $180 million; adjusted EBITDA in the range of $173 million to $184 million; net income in the range of $61 million to $67.5 million; adjusted non-GAAP net income in the range of $84.5 million to $91 million; and finally GAAP EPS between $2.65 and $2.95 and adjusted non-GAAP EPS in the range of $3.70 to $4.

Assuming the midpoint of our guidance range we expect cash flows from operations of approximately $155 million. Capital expenditures are expected to be approximately $30 million.

Weighted average diluted share counts for 2015 are estimated to be 22.8 million and finally with respect to taxes you should assume an effective tax rate of approximately 40%. Let me add some color to our guidance starting with revenue. The midpoint of the revenue range reflects an 11% increase from 2014 revenue of $811 million.

Embedded in the guidance range are expected performance based fees in the Healthcare segment in the range $60 million to $80 million. Let me also add some comments on the impact of the Studer Group acquisition post closing our revenues for Studer Group are estimated in the range of $70 million to $75 million for the balance of 2015.

Our revenue range for Studer Group includes an estimated $2 million to $3 million reduction in revenue and adjusted EBITDA for the impact of purchase accounting on deferred revenue. Note that we will not complete the purchasing accounting for Studer Group until later in Q1.

We expect the transaction to be accretive to Huron’s 2015 non-GAAP adjusted EPS in the range of $0.47 to $0.52 consistent with the range we noted on the date of the announcement. On an organic basis our outlook for the Healthcare segment is for organic revenue growth in the mid single-digits following a strong year of 10% organic growth.

In Huron Legal we expect a lower base line in 2015 with the year expected to be down in the mid-teen percentage range versus 2014. As Jim mentioned we’re aggressively implementing the changes necessary to align our infrastructure to the lower revenue base.

The restructuring charges included in our guidance range reflect the reductions in headcount and adjustments to our document review capacity that we expect will enable us to sustain margins near historical levels. In Huron Education and Life Sciences we expect mid to high single-digit growth.

With the Frankel Group acquisition now fully reflected in 2014 our expected growth rates are all organic. In the technology practice within education consulting Jim mentioned our investments in Workday capabilities.

We expect 2015 segment operating margins to include approximately 250 basis points of investment reflecting the hiring, training and other start up expenses for this initiative. In Business Advisory we also continue to see mid to high-teen growth for 2015 and we also expect to maintain our operating margins in this segment.

Turning to the total company Huron’s adjusted EBITDA margin is expected to be in the range of 19.7% to 20% an increase of 50 to 80 basis points compared to 2014. This primarily reflects the favorable mix of the Studer Group acquisition and lower corporate cash SG&A expenses as a percentage of revenue.

There are some offsets to the adjusted EBITDA margin that are embedded in our guidance range that are worth noting. These include our investment in Workday capabilities along with the purchase accounting impact on deferred revenue Q1 transaction expenses related to acquisitions.

Collectively these items are expected to reduce 2015 adjusted EBITDA margins by approximately 85 to 90 basis points at the midpoint of our revenue guidance range.

Our 2015 adjusted EPS at the midpoint of the range of $3.85 reflects growth of 12.6% and includes approximately $0.20 per share for the impact of the Workday investment, Studer Group purchasing accounting and transaction related expenses I just mentioned.

With respect to adjusted EBITDA, adjusted net income and adjusted EPS there are several items that you will need to consider when reconciling these non-GAAP measures to comparable GAAP measures. Reconciliation schedules that we included in our press release will help walk you through these reconciliations.

Thanks everyone and now we’d like to open up the call to questions, operator?.

Operator, we’d like to open up the call to questions. Operator if you are listening, we really would like to open up the call to questions..

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Tim McHugh. Please proceed sir. Mr. McHugh your line is open..

On the legal segment can you just your guidance for mid-teens decline this year if I just annualize the Q4 I get more like a mid-30s percentage decline.

So what’s reduced the gap there is that transactional work that you been had in Q4 that you would normally expect I mean it seems like a lot of transactional work?.

Tim yes that is the difference is that we don’t think that’s going to away as Jim mentioned we think that part of the decline was temporary and so our guidance range reflects that transactional work occurrence throughout the year again not a lot of visibility in terms of when, it tends to be lumpy, but we think that we'll continue to have that work within the practice..

And is that basically -- so if you don’t have visibility and I guess it was weak in Q4, are you as -- I mean how do you go about kind of make an assumption on that? And I guess does it -- you assume similar to your full year last year or I guess can you give us any color on?.

Yes Tim this is Jim I mean this is the same challenge we always have for practices that are largely transactional like this.

Impart on first of all if we go back and we look at some history for multiple years and there really haven’t been periods like we've just experienced where we had none of that transactional type of revenue, so that's one thing that just tells us it's likely an anomaly.

There is no reason to believe that we have had any change at all in terms of our market presence and so the final part that gives us some comfort is that we do see some activities some other things that are coming on to the GSO that are likely to lead to something how much and when, it's hard to say, but we look at this as pretty much of a temporary low..

And then I guess the added headwind I missed the EPS number then I think you said $0.25 to $0.30 I guess the comments about acquisition related expenses as well impacted purchase accounting for Studer is I mean on the last call when you had talked about kind of $0.47 to $0.52 in January in terms of the accretion, I guess was that not factored into that $0.47 to $0.52?.

Yes Tim just let me clarify that so the -- it was factored into the $0.47 to $0.52. The piece obviously we didn’t talk about at that time was the Workday investment so if you look at kind of the delta there which is what's different it's probably about $0.10 a share which is the 250 basis points on the ELS margins.

So the $0.47 to $0.52 was inclusive of those transaction expenses, but I just called out those as, those are going to affect the EBITDA margin for the year and we expect those not to be recurring..

And then I guess just on the healthcare business. It sounds like you're still in the middle of the assessments or some of the larger engagements that are kind of ramping up.

I guess could you -- how far are you into those and I guess how much visibility do you have to the scope and size of them? I know you've historically talked about having a high conversion rate, but I guess how much visibility do you have at this point in terms of the nature and contribution that you might expect for them?.

Tim this is Jim.

We've actually quite a bit of visibility we don’t always have visibility and as a precise start date and part of the issue that we run into particularly when you get into larger health systems or certainly multiple hospitals is that the level of coordination that it takes to be effective in what we're trying to do is much more difficult and complicated than it would be just for example for a standalone hospital and so we very appropriately just remain patient because for us to be successful it's got to be the right time and place and so the clients always want this to go on as quickly as it can, but they too have to kind of orchestrate this internally.

And so that's the large part of what we end up doing, so that's part of what we do. We just want to make sure that it gets sequenced at a point in time where both we and the client could be most successful.

I think once they get under I mean at this stage pretty deep into the assessments we've got a pretty good sense as to where it's going what the opportunities are and the question is just getting to point where we can get started..

And maybe just one I mean if the shift is from contingent fees to fixed fee, do you see more revenue sooner in that engagement because you're building for that all along the cycle or how do we think about how that impacts the lifecycle of revenue from a project assessment clients or so I think?.

So Tim I guess I might respond to that in two ways. Probably the -- let me start kind of indirectly and then I'll come back and directly respond.

Indirectly what we get really comfortable with is our kind of our expectations for the year for Healthcare what we've always said is that we're going to have variations among quarters some as you've seen before we've got more revenue than we anticipated some times less and it's always the factor of having these things work through.

We've got a client right now where we had actually started talking very seriously about it being a fixed fee engagement and we've gone pretty far down the path and now they're beginning to think maybe it should be contingent and so these are things that we don’t really care we really want this to be the clients' decision and so we get -- it's just an example of why it gives us a little bit of pause at being too precise in terms of when the revenue is going to come from some of these jobs.

We feel pretty good about the fact that it's going to come we don’t know exactly when we don’t if it's going to be fixed in run rate or whether it's going to be contingent, but we know that we're going to achieve our results that we want to hit when we get done.

So that's the broader picture that we're dealing with and you multiply that times to the number of clients that we have ongoing and you get a sense in terms of how it can be a little challenging for us to pick and choose exactly what kind of revenue and when it's going to fall.

But having said that, we have done this efficiently we know what our opportunities are particularly when we've gone through a long assessment and we've got a pretty good sense as to what we're up against and how we are going to address the client’s needs.

So that gets back now to kind of more directly I think if this ends up being if some of the things ends up being fixed fee we then have a pretty good sense as to how the run rate is going to fall out over the coming months and quarters, if it’s contingent and are performance based then it gets a little bit more rough both in terms of the exact timing and the amount.

So we take all of these things into stride, as you know we have a pretty detailed list that goes out into not just for the rest of the year but actually beginning certainly the next year in terms of how we expect things to go but what we deal with quite a bit is the ebb and flow of the actual jobs and the decisions that the client makes in terms of how they want to proceed.

I hope that answers your question?.

And just to be clear the 5% growth or mid single-digit growth for Healthcare is exclusive of Studer?.

Yes, that’s right..

Our next question comes from the line of Paul Ginocchio of Deutsche Bank. Please proceed..

I guess the first question, what is the headcount growth of Healthcare during the year excluding Vonlay?.

Paul you are asking on year-over-year or sequentially?.

Year-on-year..

So ended the year within healthcare at the end of the period we had 1,230 people. So if you take Vonlay out largely it was relatively flat for the year. And that reflects some of the increases in productivity that the practice has been working consistently.

So it’s not a surprise that we are a little bit less and frankly again I think it got some more flexibility in terms of the base of hiring relative to revenue growth..

And then as we look at your mid single-digits for next year, I kind of was thinking it was getting closer to high single-digits at least that was sort of the maybe my view.

Has anything changed besides the shift on performance fees on your view is that the sort of biggest change maybe?.

Paul this is Jim. Nothing has changed.

I’d tell you we see this every day I have been in the market myself the issues that our clients are facing are remarkably similar and in many cases actually are probably getting more acute issues around consolidation even among healthy hospitals make for a very big challenge in terms of trying to really get successful clinical integration among recently integrated institutions.

So we see an increase in terms of the kind of demand that we are hoping to see but what you look at when Mark talks about the headcount when we talk about the sequencing of the quarters it comes and goes but we see very strong demand and probably equally important we feel very comfortable with our presence in the market in terms of the projects that we are getting exposed to and the projects that we are winning..

I think you are trying to kind of away even with the shift from performance fees the fixed fees there is really no change in your operating margin.

Can you just help us out a little bit more would we, it seems like obviously periods we have very high performance fees, you do have a higher margin how do you think about that going forward with that lower performance fees?.

Paul when you look at any given quarter it absolutely does influence the margins because you got a mismatch in one of the effort and cost were incurred versus when the revenue is coming in, but when we price engagements we are essentially starting with our cost and lairing on top of contribution margin and we want to recover that contribution margin either way.

We may have some additional upside in contingent because we always take a little bit of premium because of the risk profile but again they are largely within the range that we would expect to achieve for the year. And so our estimates would not be materially different that they were a lot more contingent or a lot less contingent..

And Paul the only thing I would add is that, I just want to remind you that, our internal estimates are certainly greater and we believe that we have got a higher estimates that are achievable what we don’t want to do is to get too aggressive in terms of assumptions about timing and even whether something is going to be performance based or fixed fee we would like to just kind of to see it rollout.

So the guidance we provide we think is certainly achievable and we obviously strive internally to achieve higher both in terms of margin but also in terms of revenue..

Your next question comes from line of Tobey Summer with SunTrust. Please proceed..

Hi this is actually Michael Wheeler in for Tobey.

Can you provide some color on growth and in the recurring revenue portion of your business specifically related to software and do you have aspirations to materially increase this as a percentage of total revenue in the near-term, is that something you guys are thinking about or?.

This is Mark. Michael we don’t actually think all that much about it. In Legal we certainly the acquisition of Sky provides a new opportunity because it opens up the door with clients that have more recurring into the revenue. It’s from a very small base and it is going to grow hopefully rapidly but it would not necessary move the needle.

And the rest of our practices it varies a little bit across each one of them.

So within our Click Commerce business we sell licenses which tend to be again non-recurring but there is a maintenance portion of that, that’s a residual and the same thing in Healthcare there is probably somewhere around 15% of that business that’s maintenance of ongoing primarily revenue cycle software that’s embedded in the service delivery of the offering so we love to have more recurring revenue but it’s not a clear objective it is really a mix of how we deliver value to the clients..

And then just one follow-up on kind of the headcount growth topic can you talk a little bit about your ability to kind of continue the double-digit headcount growth and which are the segments have you found to be kind of most challenging in terms of the ability to grow headcount?.

This is Jim I don’t know that we’ve had challenges in growing headcount in any of our segments we have always done our best to try to match supply and demand both within segments and actually within practices within those segments and so that’s a continua ebb and flow that we do every week, every month, every year as we kind of adjust to demand.

But I think at this stage particularly in this market we really don’t have any foresee any trouble increasing headcount when we want to increase headcount..

Your next question comes from the line of Jason Anderson with Stifel. Please proceed..

Your guidance range on EPS is a bit wider I think than normal and obviously there is always variability in the business.

So I was wondering if you could maybe provide some additional color maybe on what your thoughts are between the high-end and the low-end are there certain key assumptions between those that you could talk about?.

Yes this is Mark. So I think we did actually widen the guidance range this year I think a little bit is just as we come into a year that’s got a little bit more uncertainty because of the Legal Consulting business we probably gave ourselves a little bit more room on the downside.

What I can tell you is that we’re certainly not aiming to be at the downside or the lower end of that guidance range that would not be a good outcome for Jim or me from a compensation standpoint.

So we definitely have higher aspirations in that but we think that it’s appropriate at this point to start the year with a little bit more flexibility around what that expectation might look like. Jim I don’t know if you have any….

Yes the one thing is I think we’ve kind of established the history here in recent years where we have put together guidance that we certainly believe is achievable and that rather than make it kind of incredibly aspirational thing we have aspirational goals internally I mean outside we put together estimates that we think are achievable and that we’ve worked very hard to try to beat them and that’s kind of the position we’re in right now so there are as Mark indicated some fairly significant uncertainties particularly around legal and rather than get ahead of ourselves and get really aggressive and making assumptions about what’s going to happen and when it’s going to happen we felt comfortable with this range at this point in time..

And then on the performance based fees they’re coming in the 60-80 range you talked about. Is there any -- I don’t know if you could talk about the trend there.

Do you think I know you’ve talked about as a percentage of total revenue it is going to get smaller but it looks like maybe getting smaller and absolute and it could be a timing thing but I mean do you think the clients are going away from performance base as particularly as successful as you’ve been in outperforming them?.

I think maybe a little bit but I am not sure that there is datapoints right now that would give us that much comfort that that’s going to be a permanent trend.

As we’ve mentioned a little while ago on the one of the answers to one of the questions that this is -- it evolves very quickly and it’s really something that not only do we have no control over but we actually really prefer it to be in our client’s hands because it’s the kind of arrangement that they prefer and that makes us much more comfortable.

I don’t think it will be lower than this but it could certainly be higher than this for a variety of reasons and I think we’re just going to kind of wait and see how the year plays out I think in 2014 I think it was the year we actually had we actually lowered the guidance range for contingent for performance based fees and then we actually ended up beating even the original one and so I think it’s just one of the things we try to be cautious on the front end.

And so we get a little bit more certainty and that’s kind of where we’re at right now..

And then one more I had on if you could maybe talk about in ’15 maybe your cash priorities I mean between debt pay down, repo and then maybe speak to your appetite for more acquisition especially after a sizeable one here that you just closed?.

Well I’ll start with the -- this is Jim I’ll start with the acquisition side and let Mark handle the other two I think on the acquisition front we said before the acquisitions Studer Group that we had always had a very robust inventory of entities that we’re looking at that were attractive and we were certainly fortunate to be able to close the Studer Group opportunity but we still have very robust group of things that we’re looking at and it certainly is part of our job and we spent a lot of time doing that and it’s an exciting area for us to be in and we feel probably the part that makes us the most excited is that we have such a solid platform with which to acquire into and we feel very confident in our integration ability.

So it is a long way of saying we feel very good about the pool of opportunities that are out there and we will continue to evaluate them with the same kind of focus that we have in the past..

And Jason on the question regarding share repurchase and that data clearly with the Studer acquisition we will be into our revolver and then shortly after that we have our annual bonus payment that happens in Q1. So we will peak in terms of our debt level here which is a normal timeframe for us really absent an acquisition anyway.

We will likely in the absence of price opportunities in the marketplace for share repurchase, we will definitely be working on just paying down the revolver because the best use of cash on an immediate basis.

But we're going to have as we have mentioned in the midpoint of our range there is about 155 million if you look at our planned debt service and CapEx, we're going to have roughly $100 million of free cash flow in 2015. So that gives us a lot of flexibility to do a lot of things and so you could see any and all of the above..

Your next question comes from the line of Randle Reece. Please proceed..

First of all I was wondering if the percentage of contracts that include performance based fees is changing if that's responsible for all the change in your mix or if within contracts the percentage of performance based component is changing or if it's a blend of the two?.

Randy this is Jim, I think A it's a blend of the two, but B I think we're also still kind of at a point in time right now where if you ask the same question three months from now, you may get a different answer. So I think this is kind of more like a -- it's a balance sheet type of view of things as opposed to an ongoing trend.

Now certainly and we've referenced before that our clients we've a long deep history of being very successful for our clients and there's no question that one of the most important things that our clients do before they hire somebody is they talk to other hospitals and they try to find out how we've done and I think the answer to that question is typically very-very good.

And so places legitimately go back and they question whether they should have fixed fee or a performance based.

I do know that one of the challenges that a lot of our clients have again understandably is that if you do, do fixed fee that you then -- it's harder to explain internally for I think that organization to go back and say that you're going to have a fairly large engagement and that you hope it works out.

So I think that's why a lot of places end up reverting back to performance based, but it's all dependent upon their culture, their preference, the nature of the work that needs to be done and their sense as to how much progress we're going to be making. But I think it's too early to call it a trend.

We've always said that it's going to decline as a percentage of the total revenue and I expect that to continue, but I think we're going to still see blips up and down in terms of whether the performance based fees are a larger or smaller percentage of the total revenue..

It creates a bit of a confusion for timing reasons in understanding the growth rate of the business given one year you're pulling in the big bunch of fees in the next year it's a lower number the underlying consulting. Activity looks like it's a lot stronger than that mid single-digit growth rate that you're talking about.

What kind of headcount growth are we looking at in guidance?.

It's consistent with the revenue range as we've described to you Randy which essentially means we're looking to keep utilization steady where it is, bill rate steady where they are. So that’s our going in assumption.

The practices really get rewarded for managing utilization versus adding headcount and so there's probably a slight bias to stretch people because it's better for them economically better actually I think for everybody economically but so I would say a starting point for guidance is consistent with the revenue ranges projected..

Where do you expect the cash and debt levels to end up at the end of this quarter?.

We will end at actually I should know that at the top of my head because I look at it every single day.

So cash what we've done is we've essentially funded the Studer acquisition with all the remaining cash on the balance sheet and then on top of that we've drawn the balance in terms of revolver so our net drawn revolver is probably going to be -- and then we get the bonus on top of that so we will probably would be somewhere around 170 million yes so it is probably lot -- you know what let me come back and just confirm that.

So I think it will be about $420 million is my guess based on right now on the revolver and you've got $140 million roughly on the term loan. So it'd be a little bit over 500 in total..

Your next question comes from the line of Joe Foresi. Please proceed..

I was wondering could you give us some better insight into how it seems like the legal downtick sort of snuck up on you a little bit.

What were your original expectations and how did it kind of sneak up on you?.

So Joe this is Jim.

I would tell you what so certainly we saw at the backend as we indicated in earlier in my discussion we saw at the beginning what we really became I think a series in some settlements that took place that began to take place in the summer months and there is not the spigot doesn’t necessarily drop off that same day, but it also the other things we deal with sometimes is that the spigot begins to dry up before something has been announced.

And so we were really at the end of the third quarter really thinking that we would be at around $200 million year-end for Legal.

And we began to see some deterioration in the run rates in the early part of the fourth quarter and then it was really we kind of things really began to fall pretty precipitously in the last part of November and certainly in December.

But we ended up the third quarter thinking this is actually going to be a pretty good year for Legal and it came very quick and that’s just the nature of the business.

I think it happens I mean we don’t have disputes and investigations that happens the same way sometimes in that business and it happened in our e-discovery area and so the concept of it occurring was not a big surprise the pace suddenness of it and the depth of it was a surprise..

And given the fact that these are sort of event driven opportunities I know that you trying to get some law firms on MSAs how much of an emphasis do you plan on putting on that business going forward in particularly this part of the business that tends to be more on the event side?.

Well I think one of way for looking at it we have referenced in the call that we are looking from so a called new normal because we are going to establish a base.

I think if you had just if the credit crisis information as the credit crisis situation had never occurred at all I think we would be sitting here expecting the same kind of growth rates in this business that we have seen in the past.

So we actually the real actions that we are taking right now are simply adjusting for what we have determined to really be kind of an unusual event that is tends to be -- I don’t know the predictive exact end but it’s certainly a dramatic diminishment of the credit crisis type of engagements that we were seeing.

And so the rest of our practices really proceeding as always had been. All the adjustments both in terms of headcount but also in terms of Legal facilities are really a reaction to that one-time kind of end of that type of part of the business.

So we view it a little bit more as a change in the size of the market, but absent data if we take that piece of it out we view the market the same way we view market for the last two, three, four years and that it’s the proliferation of data that’s growing the business.

It’s the fact that we as a company have created a practice that has passed a lot of security audits which is critical to our clients these days and the depth of our business the experience of our people all put it together and so we view nothing different in this practice absent this fairly significant drop off that came very quickly and that related not on a broad based level but just to one particular part of the market..

[Operator Instructions] And we have follow-up question from Paul Ginocchio. Please proceed..

It is for Mark or Jim. I guess nearly two-thirds of the way for the first quarter could you help us just kind of understand where revenue for the Legal consulting division could come in, in the first quarter is it going to be flat Q-on-Q up 20% is there a way to based on what you have seen so far quarter-to-date? Thank you..

I think we are obviously kind of reacting to a diminished level of revenue in Q4. I think that at this stage today we are looking at 2015 and I would expect there to be a growing trend. So I certainly expect there to be more revenue in the second part of the year than the first part of the year in that segment.

And how that falls in the quarters it’s kind to hard for us to estimate but I suspect that we will see our hope is that we would see kind of a more normal patterns evolving during the first quarter and that would be in much better shape in the second quarter.

But again this is very transactional type of business and we have seen before, again if we take the credit crisis thing away we have seen big blips up and big blips down before and the activity we see in the market are certainly tells us that none of that has changed that.

There is some opportunities out there that we think could generate some decent revenue but how and when they are come about is just kind of too hard for us to predict. So we are probably a little bit more conservative in first half and then we will expect a more robust second half..

We have another follow-up coming from the line of Randle Reece. Please proceed..

When I look at the change in Legal revenue from the like the first half run rate to the fourth quarter, how much of that change was transactional in your analysis?.

Randy this is Mark. The transactional impact was probably about half..

Mr. Roth we have concluded the allotted time for this call. I’d like to turn the conference back over to you..

Thank you spending time with us this afternoon. We look forward to speaking with you again in April when we announce our first quarter results have a good evening..

That concludes today’s conference. Thank you everyone for your participation..