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EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT
EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT 2021 - Q2
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Operator

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the Horizon Bancorp Conference Call to discuss financial results for the three months ended June 30, 2021. All participants will be in listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions]. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. [Operator Instructions].

Please note this event is being recorded. Before turning the call over to management, please remember that today's call may contain statements that are forward-looking in nature.

These statements are subject to risks, uncertainties and other factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those discussed, including those factors noted in the slide presentation. Additional information about factors that could cause actual results to differ materially is contained in Horizon's current 10-K and later filings.

In addition, management may refer to certain non-GAAP financial measures that are intended to help investors understand Horizon's business. Reconciliations for these measures are contained in the presentation. The company assumes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements made during the call.

If anyone does not already have a copy of the press release and supplemental presentation issued by Horizon yesterday, you can access it at the company's website, www.horizonbank.com. Representing Horizon today are Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Craig Dwight; and Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, Mark Secor.

They will be joined by Executive Vice President and Chief Commercial Banking Officer, Dennis Kuhn, for the question-and-answer session. At this time, I'd like to turn the call over to Horizon's Chairman and CEO, Craig Dwight..

Craig Dwight

Thank you, Kate, and good morning. And thank you for participating in Horizon Bancorp's second quarter earnings conference call. Our comments today will follow the Investor Presentation we published yesterday July 27. I'm extremely proud of Horizon's team and how they position the company well for the future.

As a result of this preparation, we're very optimistic about Horizon's earning power over the next two years. The momentum taking us into 2022 and 2023 includes welcoming new associates from the 14 branches we're in the process of acquiring in a transaction that is on track to close in September.

This logical extension of our franchise includes adding approximately 50,000 new households, two commercial lenders and low cost core deposits. We've already proven that mass and scale work to drive shareholder value, and our pending Branch acquisition only contributes that momentum.

In addition, we're closing 10 branches by the end of August, as we continue our effort to strive for further reductions in our consistently low non-interest expense to average asset ratio, which was just 2.18% in the second quarter.

We expect to continue to achieve expense reductions even as we redeploy employees and the closing branches to fill open positions and reinvest much of the savings into technology designed to enhance sales and the customer experience.

In addition, we've increased the number of commercial lenders since December 2020 by 20% with additional offers pending. We've added volume capacity to our indirect auto lending program. Horizon is positioned well to seize upon future opportunities. Starting on Slide 4, company highlights.

Horizon completed the second quarter reporting strong quarterly earnings at $22.1 million, driving the quarterly results were stable net interest income, strong mortgage production and nominal release and provision to credit loss reserve expense and continued expense control.

Horizon return on average assets of 1.45%, return average equity of 12.59% for the quarter continues to be robust and compare favorably to peer medians.

Given the size of our balance sheet, highly efficient operations and talented workforce, we believe Horizon is well-positioned to capitalize on significant organic and strategic growth opportunities within our attractive Midwestern markets.

As you'll see on Slide 6, we've clearly demonstrated over the past 18.5 years that Horizon is a growth company with compounded annual average growth rates and total assets at 12.3% and net income at 16%. Year-to-date in 2021, earnings are up 64% compared to the first six months of last year.

During this time period, we demonstrated that our strategy of massive scale has created shareholder value through both revenue growth and disciplined expense management resulting in strong earnings for the second quarter.

Contributing to our growth is both new organic market expansions and 15 mergers and acquisitions which includes our pending Michigan branch transaction. Horizon is a company on the move, and we continue to look for new opportunities in our current and adjacent Indiana and Michigan markets.

With our proven track record as a successful consolidator and the pressures that other banks are facing related to succession planning, low interest rates, and challenging operating environment, we're seeing a pickup in M&A discussions.

On Slide 8, we remind you that Horizon's expansion in growth has occurred primarily in college and university towns and state or county governmental seats. Therefore, a majority of our footprint has an economic base that is traditionally more stable in other areas of Indiana and Michigan.

The pending Branch acquisition expands our presence into college towns and in eight of the 11 counties where the acquired branches are located, Horizon will either be number one, two or three in deposit market share.

In addition, Horizon remains positioned well to take advantage of the outbound migration from Illinois, which continues to increase as consumers and businesses exit dense living spaces, high taxes, increase in crime rates and the high cost of living.

Both Indiana and Michigan continue to show improving economies as evidenced by low unemployment rates and an increase in total workforce. As a result, the tight labor markets we're seeing some wage inflation. Slide 9 highlights the primary markets where we were engaged and some exciting economic events creating new business opportunities for Horizon.

Moving onto digital transformation, Horizon's average monthly transactions continue to shift away from branches towards digital and virtual channels. As of last month, 73% of all transactions took place through our digital channels compared to 44% in 2018.

The good news is since that our Branch network second reopening in January 2021; the online activity has stayed relatively constant.

This shift which Horizon embrace before the pandemic, which of course is solely the trend is a key consideration in our annual branch performance review and consolidations including the 10 branch closures scheduled for end of August.

In addition, at the end of June 2021, 80% of all checking accounts were active online banking users, which is a 22% increase compared to 65% active online banking users in 2018. As a result of our investments made in technology over the prior years, Horizon is well prepared for future increase in digital banking activity.

Now for our financial updates, our privilege to introduce to you, Horizon Bank’s Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, Mark Secor.

Mark?.

Mark Secor Chief Administration Officer & Executive Vice President

Thank you, Craig. Horizon saw a record net income for the second quarter with increases in both net interest income and non-interest income over the first quarter. We're very pleased with these results and the core trends the second quarter demonstrated.

Starting with Slide 12, the company's second quarter results were supported by strong and stable core trends.

Compared to the first quarter of 2021, we continued to record lower PPP income from fewer loans forgiven, lower purchase accounting income and reduction in the average loans attributed to PPP loan forgiveness, and lower mortgage and mortgage warehouse loan balances.

However, net interest income increased with a higher level of interest earning assets with the move of assets from cash to the investment portfolio. This is one of Horizon's key objectives to focus on increasing net interest income dollars and to leverage capital.

Non-interest income reflected an increase over the last quarter primarily due to mortgage gain on sale and interchange income. In addition, the recovery of $1.6 million of mortgage servicing right impairment contributed to the increase. The second quarter also benefited from a small release of $1.5 million from the allowance for credit losses.

Due to continued strong credit performance, low net charge-offs and improving econometrics, we continue to believe we're appropriately reserved given the current state of our portfolio and the recovering economy and our CECL modeling.

Slide 13, the reduction in the adjusted margin of four basis points during the quarter was positively impacted by seven basis points from PPP income as net deferred fee for recognized for loan forgiveness.

This compares to a positive PPP impact of 10 basis points in the first quarter, accounting for three of the four basis point decrease in the margin. In addition, high cash balances held during the quarter compressed the margin additional 21 basis points compared to 16 basis points in the first quarter.

We moved $421 million into the investment portfolio utilizing cash and liquidity from the reduction in loan balances and deposit growth, although helping to increase net interest income, this higher mix of lower yielding net investments puts pressure on the margin.

Slide 14, the loan yield increased in the second quarter due to the reduction in the balances of lower yielding PPP and mortgage warehouse loans.

Even with the increase in the loan yield, it absorbed the impact from PPP loan fees recognized during the quarter from only adding three basis points to the yield compared to the positive six basis points in the second quarter.

As loans continue to reprice, new product is originated at lower rates, and the higher earning asset and exit investments additional downward pressure on asset yields is expected during 2021. Slide 15, margin compression was tempered by our continued improvement in funding costs, which reflect Horizon's valuable and growing core deposit franchise.

The CD portfolios 13 basis points decrease in pricing reduced total funding costs as high cost term deposits matured during the quarter. $240 million in CDs with an average cost of 72 basis points will mature during 2021 and continue to reduce our cost of funds.

As total deposits continue to grow, we're also strategically pricing deposits to manage liquidity, instant inflows from transactional or transient sources. This of course is balanced against our commitment to stand by our longstanding customer relationships and high potential new opportunities in our growth markets in Indiana and Michigan.

The 7% growth in non-interest bearing deposits also contributed lower funding costs in the second quarter.

Moving to Slide 16, mortgage revenue from the gain on sale and mortgage-related income continued to support non-interest income, as we also saw $1.6 million of recovery of non-cash impairment charges from the mortgage servicing asset in the quarter.

The continued high-level of mortgage production of 61% coming from purchase activity, and strong percentage gains are the primary contributors to our non-interest income for the quarter. Based on local and national refinancing activity, we expect strong top-line contributions to continue from the mortgage business in 2021.

Slide 17, during the second quarter, we saw operating expenses increased from the first quarter as we recorded less deferred costs from the origination of PPP loans than in the first quarter. We saw an increase in health insurance costs and recorded losses for the sales of some legacy bank-owned property.

Core operating expenses continue to be stable as we saw non-interest expense to total average assets declined to 2.18% and when adjusted for transaction costs to 2.16%. Craig already discussed or our annual branch rationalization process that is leading us to close 10 branches next month.

This disciplined process is a regular part of our normal course of operation and has been key to our long record of running an efficient and stable retail franchise, while investing in Horizon's digital, mobile and remote banking, as well as our communication centers.

Slide 18, the release of $1.5 million of the credit loss reserve was a result of overall continued improvement in the credit metric, and the econometrics within the CECL model.

We continue to maintain allocations for sectors of loans with potentially higher risk of loss due to the nature and characteristics of these portfolios, as they are monitored on a consistent basis.

With the release of the reserve, the percentage of allowance to total loans increased to 1.58% at June 30, due to the decrease in total loans, a balance of $10.5 million remains for discounts on acquired loans. Overall, we're very pleased with our financial performance for the second quarter.

We believe we're well-positioned from a credit, liquidity and capital perspective and look forward to refining our operating model to further improve our results in the quarters ahead. For some additional comments on our loan portfolio, I'll turn it back over to Craig..

Craig Dwight

Thank you, Mark. Looking at the chart on Slide 20, Horizon's $3.5 billion in total loans are well diversified with 60% in commercial, and 40% in residential mortgage and consumer loans. The table on the right provides the granularity within our commercial loan portfolio, which itself is well diversified.

Our single largest sector is in residential multifamily housing loans at 6% of total loans and this segment continues to perform well. All pandemic-related distress business sectors have seen considerable improvements over the prior year's operating results, including the hotel, restaurant, hospitality and leisure industries.

Horizon's non-owner occupied real estate portfolio also exhibit strong cash flow from our borrowers and low delinquency rates. Horizon's consumer loan portfolio continues to reflect strong underwriting standards as evidenced by low delinquency at 0.24 of 1% and declining non-performing loans at 0.64 of 1% at quarter-end.

We're experiencing growth in our indirect automotive loan portfolio, which is all end-market lending. To further support increase in volume, we've added 11 new dealer relationships with another 10 plus applications pending in the new Michigan markets. In addition, we're expanding our RV and small boat lending programs.

As a reminder, more than 99% of our consumer loans are secured and about 95% are prime credits. We intend to maintain the secured prime consumer lending focus even as we grow into our expanding footprint.

Horizon's commercial loan portfolio continues to reflect strong underwriting standards as evidenced by low delinquency at 0.03 of 1% and declining non-performing loans at 0.49 of 1% of total commercial loans at quarter-end.

Horizon is predominantly a secured lender with recourse from the business owners and continues to follow prudent underwriting standards. Horizon's commercial loan portfolio is well diversified by business sector and geographic locations throughout the states of Indiana and Michigan.

As mentioned earlier, since December, we've increased our number of commercial lenders by approximately 20% with an additional job offers waiting to be accepted. The staff additions are in growth markets of Shoring Kalamazoo, Michigan and South Bend, Lafayette and Indianapolis, Indiana.

In addition, we will pick up two commercial lenders on the branches to be acquired. We're also pleased to report that the commercial pipelines are close to pre-pandemic levels. Moving to our hotel sector.

Hotels represent 4% of total loans and this segment has seen a significant pickup in occupancy and average daily room rates through the second quarter of 2021 compared with the first quarter.

As of June 30, the average occupancy rate was 74%, which reflects 94% of Horizon's total hotel loan dollars reporting and is an increase from 58% in occupancy as of March 21. This compares favorably to the nationwide occupancy rates as of June 30, at 66%.

Occupancy gains are primarily attributed to increasing consumer travel, along with a smaller increase in business travel.

Fortunately, Horizon's hotel portfolio is primarily located along Interstate highways and resorts, locations frequented by the consumer traveler and not tied to convention or entertainment venues found in larger metropolitan areas.

Horizon continues to report strong asset quality metrics in the second quarter, reported low net charge-offs over the last five quarters of less than three basis points, our credit loss provision expense Mark talked about we had a slight $1.5 million in recovery.

Horizon's total non-performing loans to total loans ratio improved for the third consecutive quarter. Our allowance for credit loss remains level at 1.58% of total loans.

To summarize, Horizon Bancorp's key franchise highlights we're positioned well for earnings growth going into 2022 and 2023 as a result of our pending 14 branch acquisitions, 10 branch closures, a pickup in loan demand, an increase in commercial lenders, expansion of our consumer loan dealer network, and leveraging excess capital.

We're a seasoned management team who has managed through multiple economic cycles and has a history of delivering growth far exceeding banking industries average growth rates.

We have robust capital position and excess cash as the holding company in excess of $125 million with an improving outlook to deploy said capital and cash through a merger or acquisition or stock buybacks. Horizon has maintained a solid historical compounded annual earnings growth rate of 16% over the past 22 years.

And the company has paid 30 years of uninterrupted cash dividends on our common shares, and once again raised the dividend in the second quarter of 2021. This now concludes our prepared remarks. And I'll turn it back to the operator for questions. Thank you..

Operator

We will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions]. The first question is from Nathan Race of Piper Sandler. Please go ahead..

Nathan Race

I was hoping to tend to stick into loan growth outlook a bit ex-PPP and the warehouse; it looks like loans held flat in the quarter, which I think is encouraging to see.

As you look forward and appreciate all the details with the commercial lender team of 20%, since year-end and just given some opportunities with some M&A related disruption in your markets.

How you guys kind of thinking about loan growth ex-PPP and the warehouse, on a percentage basis in the back half of 2021?.

Dennis Kuhn Regional President for Southwest Michigan

Good morning. This is Dennis Kuhn. And thank you for the question, Nathan. Again, we think -- we -- during the second quarter that we did see a shift towards some growth, obviously.

And from a standpoint of pipelines continuing to grow, the second quarter, we saw substantial increase in both production and funded commercial loans in particular over $50 million additional in each category. And as Craig said, we have returned at this point to pre-pandemic level of 2019 and actually eclipsed that somewhat.

So our pipeline going into the third quarter is solid, it's just over $100 million. And last quarter, at this time, we reported about $115 million, but we ended up eclipsing that significantly by over $30 million.

So our pipelines are growing weekly, the new -- the investments in the new lenders, they're starting to hit the ground and generate business. So, again, our outlook is positive I would say for some commercial loan growth. We did see continuing reduction in our revolving line usage during the second quarter though.

So if that rebounds, which we have heard from some others, it has started to rebound. But we -- again, we saw lower balances and utilization through the second quarter in revolving, so. But again, the investments in the lenders in some growth markets where they are disrupted due to other pending mergers and acquisitions is showing some momentum..

Nathan Race

Got it. That's a great color. Appreciate that. And then maybe changing gears and thinking about expenses. Obviously the third quarter is going to be somewhat noisy with the TCF branches coming out for about half the quarter. And then you also have the 10 locations that you'll be consulting as well on a legacy basis.

So maybe as you look to the fourth quarter or the first quarter of next year, Mark any thoughts on just kind of where you expect the expense run rate to shake out?.

Mark Secor Chief Administration Officer & Executive Vice President

Yes, Nate. There is going to be noisy next quarter. And it takes a while to get all the cost savings in from the branches. We're not letting the staff go, we're offering them employment on their locations, and we're going to absorb them through attrition over the next probably nine to 12 months. So that won't be an initial cost save.

You will also see some write-down on fixed assets as we move them into bank on property, the branches. And we do expect some write-down. But getting on into next year after the transaction and with the branch closures, as we stated before, our target and our goal is to get to a 2% of average asset range of expenses we're at 2.16% adjusted today.

And our goal is to see that to get around that 2% and even stuck to as we get into next year..

Nathan Race

Okay. That's helpful. I think you can do the math in terms of the operating expense run rate from that 2% target that you guys have for the start of next year. So I appreciate all the color. I will step back. Thank you, guys..

Mark Secor Chief Administration Officer & Executive Vice President

Thanks, Nate..

Operator

The next question is from Terry McEvoy of Stephens. Please go ahead..

Terry McEvoy

Just may be follow-up on the expense question. I just want to make sure I understand the message correctly.

The cost savings coming from the 10 branches will be reinvested in the commercial hires and maybe the digital platform as well; is that the message here?.

Mark Secor Chief Administration Officer & Executive Vice President

Yes, I think that is our messaging. Although, we would anticipate some cost savings to help us continue to leverage. But with the -- and also with the branches coming on, we'll continue to leverage our operating expense..

Terry McEvoy

Okay, great. Thanks for that, Mark. And then maybe I'll sort of follow-up on one of Nathan's questions on the -- on just the loan outlook. Where do you kind of see the warehouse, the mortgage warehouse? What's the right level in a normal world? And then just to kind of a runoff of the mortgage portfolio, which we’ve seen really across the industry.

Where do you kind of see that portfolio leveling off as well, or said in another way what type of incremental pressure in the second half of this year, do you see because of those two portfolios?.

Craig Dwight

Yes. Our response on that question has always been that we follow directionally, the Mortgage Bankers Association’s outlook for refinance, et cetera in payoff. So if wherever they're predicting they predict like a 25% drop in production this year, and that's probably where our volumes going to be at as well.

So if you follow that, as well as the refinance index, it's published, you can get a good feel for where we're heading..

Mark Secor Chief Administration Officer & Executive Vice President

And Terry, I think with this shift you saw this quarter to 61% being purchase activity. And we are seeing prepayment speeds slowing, which would contributed to recovering some of the servicing asset. So, yes, there is some tapering to the refi.

Although with rates and trading rates 10-year continuing to dip, I don't know if that's a good predictor or not..

Terry McEvoy

Okay. Thank you both. I appreciate it. Will talk to you later..

Craig Dwight

Thank you..

Mark Secor Chief Administration Officer & Executive Vice President

Well, you asked about warehousing though, Terry. We've always -- we’ve targeted about a $125 million in a normal basis, $100 million to $125 million. And but as long as we're still in this kind of a higher level of mortgage volume, we should see that on the higher side of those averages..

Operator

The next question is from Damon DelMonte of KBW. Please go ahead..

Damon DelMonte

Hey, good morning, guys. Hope everybody's doing well, today..

Mark Secor Chief Administration Officer & Executive Vice President

Good morning..

Craig Dwight

Yes, perfect, Damon..

Damon DelMonte

So, first question is trying to get a little bit more perspective on the margin, Mark.

You have the deposits coming on board from TCF in the third quarter and you talked already about just some core margin pressure, just given some different puts and takes that you discussed before? Can you kind of give a range of where you think that core margin would be in the back half of the year?.

Mark Secor Chief Administration Officer & Executive Vice President

Yes, Damon it’s going to depend a lot on what we're able to buy investments at. Going into the transaction, we're already in the process of buying investments this quarter. So the -- we will have -- have earning assets from the cash that's we're getting from the transaction.

Again, I think it's a hard predictor, because with mix and not knowing exactly what the yields going to be on the investment portfolio as we put those on. We targeted in the presentation a 1.5% yield. And we're able to do that in a little better. So we'll get more detail on that as the transaction closes and we have more hard facts.

But I think it's encouraging that the loan yield stabilized this quarter. I think though that's an encouraging sign. So to be able to take a margin, it's hard because also we don't know how much cash is coming in and going out. We continue to see cash deposits grow.

But the focus we have and no, it's not a margin answer, but it's to grow net interest income. And that will continue to move forward with the additional investments we're putting in -- maybe little cash we're putting in the investment portfolio..

Craig Dwight

Damon, this is Craig to add to that. And to recall the transaction that we announced with the 14 branches. We're out -- and this is really an operational leverage play as well. We were looking at a 17% accretion to earnings per share next year. The model that we used had a 1.5% investment yield.

So far we are substantially bidding that yield in investment portfolio through the last couple of months..

Damon DelMonte

Got it. Fantabulous..

Craig Dwight

I will update the investment yield later on in the fourth quarter. So you’ll see what the actual performance is once it settles down. So there will be more color in that later on..

Damon DelMonte

Great. Okay, that’s helpful. Thank you. And then just my second question just as relates to the provision, obviously, credit trends -- legacy credit trends remain extremely strong. We continue to have an improving economic outlook.

Is it reasonable to expect another reversal of the provision next quarter? Or do you think it's more likely that we just have very minimal to $0 that level?.

Craig Dwight

Our thought is, it's going to be minimal. And the reason for that you have the possible another wave of the new variant of COVID-19, the Delta variant. And a lot of the PPP money will be spent through the summer. So how -- what's our cash balances of our customers on their balance sheet going into the slow winter months.

Our plan is in the third quarter to be calling on our borrowers to look at their cash balances and to reassess our credit quality going into fourth quarter. So we're still going to be a little cautious..

Operator

Okay, [Operator Instructions]. The next question is from Brian Martin of Janney. Please go ahead..

Brian Martin

Hey, Craig, can you talk about now that I guess as you get the branch transaction closings you talked about additional M&A opportunities in active discussions. I guess it sounds as though you’re certainly interested in doing more activity, I guess.

Can you just put some, it sounds like it's what Indiana and Michigan was the most, I know you just talked about Ohio in the past, but the greatest opportunities and just kind of -- just give us some ideas on size.

And that you guys -- how big a deal you would look at doing?.

Craig Dwight

Yes, Brian. We have some internal hurdle rates. And one of that's to make a acquisition meaningful and worth our time, we'd like to see at least 3% of earnings, accretion. So that's putting a deal has to be about $500 million or above to hit that number. The maximum size, it could be anything larger than that.

The challenge is the larger deals, though you have other players coming in to look at them. I mean their currency is little richer than ours. So the math doesn't work out in our favor, typically. So we've -- more of the $500 million to probably $2 billion ranges is something we could be successful on.

The state with the most discussion right now is Michigan, hearing very little activity in Indiana. I think Indiana is fairly Bolden with the good performance of our banks in general, so..

Brian Martin

Got you. Okay. Perfect. And just the other one for me was just maybe one or two for Mark just on the PPP timing, the recognition that these that sounds like maybe most of that would be recognized in the back half of the year. And then, just in addition to that the accretion number was off quite a bit this quarter.

Just kind of curious if there's -- if that kind of sets a new trend or that's just kind of bouncing around?.

Mark Secor Chief Administration Officer & Executive Vice President

Yes, the PPP, I think you're right on. We're continuing to work through the forgiveness and it'll be through the back half and probably some dragging into the beginning of 2022. The purchase accounting, I think it is just bouncing around, Brian, there's still some recoveries out there, potentially.

But the base is getting smaller, there is going to be less and less impact of that recovery of those marks..

Operator

And the next question is a follow-up from Nathan Race of Piper Sandler. Please go ahead..

Nathan Race

Yes. Thanks for taking the follow-up. Just a question on fee trends. Looks like the mortgage gain on sales margin bounced back pretty noticeably in the second quarter from 1Q. Just any thoughts on just that margin heading in the back half of the year will be helpful.

And also along those lines I'd also wondering if you can quantify the MSR fair value write-up that occurred in the second quarter as well?.

Mark Secor Chief Administration Officer & Executive Vice President

Yes. Again sale percentage did come back. I think there's support to have that continue to be at that level or better because of the 50 basis point charge from the GSEs was going to be coming off. So I think that's going to help support that here as long as there's continued volume.

We're always state that if volume does start to decrease there is room to bring rates down. The market makers would start to bring those down to drive more volume. So they're -- they could start to see that, but we're not seeing that yet.

The recovery of the mortgage servicing, right, we still have from the impairment we took last year, we still have about $3.5 million of that write-down that we can't recover all of that. And we don't know when it'll get recovered. The recovery in this quarter was due to prepayment speeds, that change in the value of the portfolio increased.

So we were able to bring back some of that overall impairment.

What I also saw a start to swing is as the prepayment speed slowed, we're able to see the amortization of the asset flow to hopefully see more actual mortgage servicing income come through to the income statement, similar to what we probably saw prior to or not the month [ph] is similar to what we would see happen prior to this last refinancing boom..

Nathan Race

Okay, great. All right. If I could just ask one -- sorry..

Mark Secor Chief Administration Officer & Executive Vice President

Our servicing portfolio is at $1.5 billion..

Nathan Race

Got you. Okay. That is all I had, and I appreciate you guys taking the follow-up. Thanks again nice quarter..

Craig Dwight

Thanks, Nathan..

Mark Secor Chief Administration Officer & Executive Vice President

Thanks, Nate..

Operator

This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Craig Dwight for closing remarks..

Craig Dwight

Thank you, Kate. Thank you for participating in today's earnings call and we appreciate your investment in Horizon Bancorp and we look forward to talking with you again soon. Have a good day..

Operator

The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect..

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