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EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT
EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT 2015 - Q2
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Executives

David Sean van Bibber – Chief Accounting Officer & Controller Mark Comerford – President, Chief Executive Officer & Director Daniel Maudlin – Chief Financial Officer, Treasurer, VP-Finance & IR Contact.

Analysts

Philip Gibbs – KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc. Edward Marshall – Sidoti & Co. LLC.

Operator

Greetings. And welcome to the Haynes International, Inc. Second Quarter 2015 Earnings Conference Call. At this time all participants are in a listen-only mode. A brief question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder this conference is being recorded.

I would now like to turn the conference over to your host Mr. David Van Bibber, Controller and Chief Accounting Officer. Thank you, sir. You may begin..

David Sean van Bibber Controller & Chief Accounting Officer

Thank you very much for joining us today. With me today are Mark Comerford, President and CEO of Haynes International; and Dan Maudlin, Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Before we get started I’d like to read a brief cautionary note regarding forward-looking statements.

This conference call contains statements that are forward-looking within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 and Section 21E of the Securities and Exchange Act of 1934. The words believe, anticipate, plan and similar expressions are intended to identify forward-looking statements.

Although we believe our plans, intentions and expectations regarding or suggested by such forward-looking statements are reasonable, such statements are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties and we can provide no assurance that such plans, intentions or expectations will be achieved.

Many of these risks are discussed in detail in the company’s filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, in particular Form 10-K for the fiscal year ended September 30, 2014. The company undertakes no obligation to publicly update or revise any forward-looking statements whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise.

With that let me turn the call over to Mark..

Mark Comerford

Thank you, Dave. Good morning, everyone. And thanks for joining us today. Hopefully you’ve all seen the press release and had a chance to review it. We’ll follow our standard agenda in today’s call. I’ll open with comments about the business and our end markets and Dan will give you greater detail on the financial results.

We had a number of positive factors impacting the second quarter. Over the past year or so we’ve talked to you about new applications and the constant work we do with the design engineering community to develop applications for our proprietary materials.

We had a strong quarter in shipments of those products in the niche applications in energy, consumer and chemical markets.

We also shipped over $60 million of our aerospace-related products in the quarter and we had positive impacts from our tolling business, both with the inclusion of the LaPorte facility for the first time in our numbers and good activity in our baseline tolling business.

Perhaps more importantly, or most importantly, even with these higher shipping levels we managed to see our backlog expand in both value and quality – specifically higher overall dollar volume and higher price levels in spite of falling commodity prices indicative of the mix we booked during the quarter.

By the way, I’m especially pleased to see the backlog gains in the quarter because our shipping levels in each of our four defined markets increased sequentially from the first quarter to the second quarter. Overall net revenue in the second quarter was $138.7 million, up 20.2% from last year’s $115.4 million.

Pounds shipped in the second quarter were 5.9 million, up roughly 4.3% from last year’s 5.7 million. Net income in the second quarter of fiscal 2015 was $11.7 million, up approximately $13 million from last year’s reported net loss of $1.2 million.

Last quarter when we spoke with you we had expected the lower-value, high-volume material side of our business, primarily in corrosion, to increase, however, that did not happen. The high volume side of the chemical process industry is still slow and very competitive. Similarly the gas turbine market has not yet rebounded.

At Haynes we were able to ship some project work that we didn’t expect to be able to ship until the third quarter. And as I stated we had a stronger than expected quarter in aerospace products. As a result we performed well above where we had anticipated.

I’d like to say that we’re seeing better strength in the high volume CPI and land-based gas turbine markets but at this point they are still very slow. Also on the downside we’re still disappointing customers on lead times and deliveries.

We’re making some gains in the tubular products area with our new capacity coming on and we’re booking that facility at higher levels already. But we’re behind on our core sheet and coil products. You’ll notice in the Q that we’re finally pushing material through WIP into finished goods.

This is to meet the demand we’re seeing as evidenced by our increased revenue levels and increased backlog.

Finally as we stated last quarter we’re cognizant of the issues impacting the specialty metals, industry, primarily the cutbacks in the oil and gas industry, and we do suspect we may see some impacts in the downstream chemical industry applications we supply.

However, we remain confident in our business based on the strength we’ve seen so far this year, and the strength and quality of our backlog as we look forward. With that let me move into the markets and give you some color on what we’re seeing.

Net revenue in the aerospace market for the second quarter of 2015 was $60.3 million, up 27.6% from the second quarter of 2014. Volume was 2.7 million pounds in the second quarter, up 20.7% from 2014’s 2.2 million pounds. Aerospace comprised 43.5% of our net revenue in the quarter.

In spite of the higher shipping level our backlog in aerospace also increased 11.7%. We don’t expect any broad sustained downward corrections occurring in the supply chain.

In fact we expect the aerospace business to continue to increase as 2015 progresses and as we said last time, we expect the progression to be somewhat uneven, especially with the volatility we are experiencing in commodities and the inventory levels in the supply chain.

At the macro level I’ll repeat what we discussed last time, specifically that Boeing and Airbus now have aggregate backlog of about 12,000 aircraft, and new platforms like the 737 MAX, A320neo, 777X and others continue to book well.

Engine manufacturers and sub-tier fabricators associated with these platforms are experiencing better activity, and as a result we expect stronger demand as we move through 2015 and into 2016. On the structural side, our tubular products facility had one of its best six-month periods since 2012 in both output and order intake.

Again, overall we expect the aerospace market to remain strong as we progress through 2015. By the way, sequentially we did about $43 million in aerospace in the first quarter of 2015, so the $60 million this quarter is a substantial increase, almost 40%.

To see the backlog increased during the quarter on top of that revenue increase, lends credence I think, to our confidence in this market. I also think it’s a good time to note that as we’re moving more of our inventory from WIP into the service centers, as I mentioned earlier, we can take advantage of these spikes in demand.

Last quarter we mentioned during the call that we felt that the destocking in aerospace had ended, but obviously we didn’t expect a 40% spike in the next quarter. In fact, if you recall we had expected better transactional activity to occur in the CPI market. Anyway, obviously, the transactional increase occurred in the aerospace market.

And by having the material available, we were able to take advantage of that increase in the aero demand in this past quarter. Moving to the chemical processing market. Net revenue for the second quarter of 2015 was $35.6 million, up 16.9% from the second quarter of 2014’s $30.4 million.

Volume in this market was down 11.6% in the second quarter of 2015 to just under 1.4 million pounds from last year’s just over 1.5 million pounds. The higher revenue and lower pound shift is indicative of the lower levels of the high volume projects we had mentioned earlier, combined with our strong results in developing new high-value applications.

CPI accounted for 25.6% of our net revenues during the quarter. Backlog fell 22.6% during the quarter, principally due to the high value of the shipments.

As we have discussed previously, several of the new applications we have been working on over the past three plus years became orders in 2014 and 2015, and we’ve been shipping these projects throughout fiscal 2015. We still have several projects in the pipeline for 2015.

As I mentioned last time, it’s sometimes very difficult to dedicate the resources to developing these projects in lower demand, lower profitability periods.

I think it’s very important that we acknowledge the work of our technical people, our production people, our field people when these projects hit the order book and turn into top line revenue and bottom line profitability as we’ve seen over the past few quarters. Looking ahead, we continue to work on new projects in this area.

In fact, we just booked a nice project late in March that should ship late in our fourth quarter and early in our first quarter of fiscal 2016. We’re confident we’ll continue to convert some of these new applications just as we’ve done over the past few quarters.

However, we do feel that the cutbacks many of our peers are experiencing in the oil and gas industry, along with lower oil and natural gas prices, may cause this market to experience some reductions in new technology on the energy related side of the project business.

Moving to the land-based gas turbine market, we had $19.9 million in net revenue in the second quarter, down 8.7% from the second quarter of 2014’s $21.8 million. Volume was 1.2 million pounds, down 19.6% from a year earlier. This market accounted for 14.3% of our total revenue in the quarter and the backlog increased 5.2%.

As we discussed last time, this market remains depressed as the OEM side of the business remains slow since roughly the end of 2013. We do not foresee a pick up on the OEM side until we start to see energy demand from the industrial economy rebounding globally.

The maintenance and repair side of the business is holding up and as you know, demand on the MRO side is very difficult to predict.

We’ve been successful in developing new applications for our high temperature capability materials, but again, until new platform sales kick in on the OEM side we don’t expect those applications to result in significant short-term sales. Overall we expect this market to remain soft and exhibit very low visibility through 2015.

In our other markets we had net revenues of $16.6 million in the second quarter of 2015, up 45.5% from the second quarter of last year. This market accounted for 11.9% of our revenue in the quarter, and even in spite of this higher shipping level our backlog increased about 3.8% during the quarter.

We’ve been successful in developing new applications in this area as well as winning some customers with non-proprietary materials via better service. We’re continuing with those efforts to develop new applications but primarily targeting corrosion, industrial heat treating, welding and brazing markets.

I also wanted to quickly update you on the CapEx projects we have going on in our plan. On the tubular products expansion we’ve essentially completed the work. We’re doing things like calibration and modifying tooling and working on production rates and standard operating procedures. But essentially that equipment is in production right now.

We’re already starting to see the benefits in capacity and scheduling, allowing more consistent output and increased booking levels. On the flat-rolled side the equipment is up and running. And as we’ve said previously, we’ll need some market cooperation to fill that area up.

But we’re seeing the benefits in quality, safety, turnaround time and in not having to send as much product to outside processors. But again, like I said in the CPI section of my remarks, we need to see some demand pick up for the high-volume, ideally heavier section specialty alloys projects for this area to really pick up in performance.

Finally, on the IT projects, we’re making inroads into getting things up and running the way we want. Having the strong invoice level we’ve had and the high booking level we’ve had, the system hasn’t held our people back. Frankly we’ve seen, we’ve had a lot of people working a lot of hours to get this project up and running.

And it’s not been pain-free, but it’s necessary to the growth of the business and the management of the business. We’re looking at the schedule for the manufacturing implementation. And as I mentioned earlier that we’re just now starting to get caught up with customer demand and with our lead times and our scheduling.

Where we stand with regards to the order book will have a say on our implementation schedule of the manufacturing side. We’ll keep you updated on that. With that, let me turn it over to Dan so he can give you some more details on the financials..

Daniel Maudlin Vice President of Finance, Treasurer & Chief Financial Officer

one, differentiation through technical applications development for new profitable orders; two, mixed management of higher value alloys and product forms; and three, capturing the ROI on the capital investments we have made. The execution of this plan is expected to drive growth in shareholder value.

Mark, I’ll now turn the discussion back over to you..

Mark Comerford

Thanks, Dan. It was a pretty good quarter. We shipped some high-value project work, we sold and booked some high-value products on the aerospace side and we got the LaPorte operations up, running and contributing.

On the downside, we still haven’t seen a bounce in the higher-value CPI business or in the land-based gas turbine business, although specification activity has been excellent in both of those areas. I’m very pleased with the quality of the backlog we have, and we’re continuing to drive waste out of our operations.

And I know I’ve touched on this in the past, Lean Six Sigma Black Belt operations. We really just started that process at Haynes about five years ago. And I look back at places where I used to work, Materion, Brush Wellman, we started that 15 years ago. So there’s gold to be mined in our mill, and I’m very excited about that.

I’m very excited about the gains our people are making as far as process engineering and driving out waste and increasing our capabilities. A lot of these special projects that we manufacture are not easy alloys to manufacture. And our engineering teams and manufacturing teams always step up and make these things happen for us.

But again, both externally and internally there’s a lot of opportunities for Haynes. I just gave you a rough idea of the internal opportunities. We just had our R&D review, too, at the end of April. And gosh that was exciting, some of the things that are going on in that area.

I talk to you frequently about the new specification work, and I think most of you know that our R&D and our marketing people report in under the same person. So when we have an R&D meeting, they’re very functional, they’re very action-oriented types of meetings with the marketing people.

And the application engineering work that’s going on is still – it’s very exciting to a guy like me. You think about all the new plants that are going to be built on the chemical side of business and just so everybody knows too, these new chemical plants it’s not still like they’re using 1995 technology in these chemical plants.

The new processes that are being used to operate at higher temperatures, more corrosive environments, these are all good things for all of us in the nickel based and cobalt based industry.

But again at Haynes we like to think that we’re on the forefront of working with people on these applications and developing the prototypes and moving things into production. But anyway I like the path we’re on, I like the path of all the specialty metals the industry is on as we look forward into 2016 with the new platforms that are coming out.

There’s definitely some short-term headwinds that as an industry we have to deal with. Dan mentioned things like currency exchange rates and the compression we’ll see with the commodities. But again we also need some of the global economies to pull out a little bit out of their current malaise.

But all in all at Haynes we’re very pleased with where we are, where we’re positioned right now and with the quality of the applications and the end markets that we’re serving. With that, let’s open up the call to your questions..

Operator

Thank you. At this time we will conduct a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Phil Gibbs with KeyBanc. Please proceed with your question..

Philip Gibbs

Good morning..

Mark Comerford

Good morning, Phil..

Philip Gibbs

Congratulations. Good results.

As far as what may have surprised you in the quarter, is it fair to characterize that as the pull through of the aerospace business and the service center side? Is that really what surprised you in the quarter because I know that at least from a margin perspective you were looking for something weaker relative to the prior quarter, and clearly that didn’t transpire.

And so I’m just trying to get a little bit more flavor for what could have really surprised you to the magnitude that it did..

Mark Comerford

Yeah. So I think it’s almost like a best of both worlds type of situation, we had the upside surprise on the aerospace transaction when it came through, along with the volume downside surprise of – we just didn’t see the CPI which is typically lower value product, we just didn’t see the CPI come through.

And what I mean by that is the high volume project work we didn’t see a lot of that come through. That also then gave us the opportunity, we have a lot of orders out there would be the best way to put it that are on-or-before types of delivery dates.

That gave us the opportunity to pull forward some of these other specialty projects and get those shipped out. So it was a very, and I think you, I’ve said it I think a number of times, I always prefer the receivable to the inventory.

So I know it makes it real tough for analysts to plan on what our numbers are going to be quarter-on-quarter, but anytime we see a gap in the schedule and we can get something pulled up and get it invoiced and get it out to a customer and they want it, we do it..

Philip Gibbs

Yeah, I mean, Mark, I’ve only think I got your quarterly earnings right once in eight years, so why start now? As far as the projects that were pulled through, were they largely in the chemical processing, and maybe some of the oil and applications in the quarter?.

Mark Comerford

Yeah, exactly. There’s a couple of key projects. One’s an ongoing project that’s a consumer related application that’s doing really, really well for us. But most of the others are, they’re, we classify them as chemical process industry, but they are kind of loosely related to the energy industry.

And that’s one of the interesting things that’s happening. A lot of us are talking about the CapEx changes and concerns about drilling and completions. But there’s also the other side of this thing that there’s going to be a lot of opportunity downstream as you move, if you can, essentially natural gas being the base material for everything.

It’s going to create tremendous opportunities further down in the chemical supply chain. And we see a lot of opportunity there, and I think everybody sees a lot of opportunity. A lot of opportunity in North America as well as other parts of the world for these new processes and new procedures for refining and developing more advanced chemicals.

So, and at Haynes I think we’re going to play a pretty good role in that..

Daniel Maudlin Vice President of Finance, Treasurer & Chief Financial Officer

And one note on the special projects, as Mark mentioned, we still have more in the pipeline. We were just, the mill is performing well, and we were able to ship some of these a little more than we expected in Q2 than Q3, but we will still have some of these special project type items in Q3..

Mark Comerford

Yeah, like one of the projects that did ship in Q2 that made a big difference, there’s still material on the dock.

So there’s more of that specific project to go in Q3, and I think we’re maybe only a little bit more than halfway through that project? Maybe two-thirds of the way through that project?.

Daniel Maudlin Vice President of Finance, Treasurer & Chief Financial Officer

50%..

Mark Comerford

So there’s still a lot of that, that one project is a nice-sized project that’s still going to ship in Q3. And then as I mentioned, we’ve booked another real nice project, it’s actually a repeat, late in March that looks like it’s going to ship late in Q4, early in Q1. So still a lot of good things going on..

Philip Gibbs

Was that CPI or oil and gas?.

Mark Comerford

That one is, that one’s more an energy related co-generation application, might be the best way to put it..

Philip Gibbs

Okay. So still clearly a lot going on in energy under the surface here despite the fact that oil is down and things are moving forward..

Mark Comerford

Yeah. I think you’re going to hear more about the downstream applications still continuing to be good. You know Allegheney’s shipping that big pipeline thing. That’s a real good project out there. But a lot of the chemical side of the business, there’s a lot of things still on the drawing board..

Philip Gibbs

Are these international projects, Mark, or are they largely North America or split?.

Mark Comerford

Split would be the best way to put it. The world has gotten so small now Phil, a lot of times the fabricator is international and the end vessel or heat exchanger might be coming back here to the U.S. Or vice versa, it might be being fabricated in Columbus and being moved over to Japan or China..

Philip Gibbs

Okay. Well thanks for the color. I’ll hop off and get back in. Appreciate it. Bye..

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Edward Marshall with Sidoti & Co. Please proceed with your question..

Edward Marshall

Good morning, gentlemen..

Mark Comerford

Morning, Ed..

Daniel Maudlin Vice President of Finance, Treasurer & Chief Financial Officer

Morning, Ed..

Edward Marshall

So, the, there was a strike, I guess a USW strike in some downstream energy producers that affected maybe the first quarter of 2015, and I’m wondering if there was any disruption in demand or shift in the capacity from competition. I know there was a lot of maintenance schedules that got delayed or kind of thrown off kilter.

Did you see any of that at all through your chemical processing business?.

Mark Comerford

You know the one side of the CPI that’s held up fairly well has been the maintenance and repair. In fact that’s going fairly well. I don’t know, Ed. I’d say that maybe, maybe some of the OEM types of projects or new projects might have been pushed out a little bit.

But I think the vision on these things, it’s almost like the jet engine business, the vision is a lot longer term than that. And so the contract, the manufacturers, the contractors for these things tend to keep guys like us keep working on that material.

So I don’t think the strike, the Royal Dutch Shell thing and all that, I don’t think that impacted things really at all..

Edward Marshall

Yeah, but I mean, that would be on maintenance more than the OE side, right? I mean, more than the new contract sales, it would be on the maintenance side of it..

Mark Comerford

Yeah. And so you might say that some of the maintenance got put out or pushed off. I can’t really say that I’ve had anybody come in, like the way we used to see it in, on the utility side. We might have someone in the flue gas desulfurization say they’re going to put off the spring rebuild until the fall or something like that.

I can’t say we saw anything like that on the chemical side of the business..

Edward Marshall

Okay. Can you quantify maybe the pull forward on demand that you saw and maybe from both a revenue and an EPS – or an EBIT perspective? [ph] Whatever is easiest for you..

Daniel Maudlin Vice President of Finance, Treasurer & Chief Financial Officer

Well I would say on the – if you look at these special projects and how much it improved our gross margin, I would say if you were to carve that out, our gross margin may be around two percentage point less, say 18%. So it helped us by about two percentage points, I would say all the special projects together.

So from a revenue point of view how much did we pull from Q3 into Q2? It would probably be in the $5 million range maybe $5 million to $10 million range..

Edward Marshall

Okay. And historically when I see pull forwards in your business, I mean that’s a bullish sign sent from your customers.

Is this the case I mean that – because you were able to ship earlier than necessary or is this just that you guys had the available capacity, it was done, it was sitting on your docks and the customer said okay we’ll take it? Or is this more of a bigger positive sign starting to brew?.

Mark Comerford

On the project side I would say that this is – these have been things that have been in the plans for two or three years, we’ve been working on them and the vision is a lot longer than that. The bullish sign for me, I think you guys know I’m pretty conservative when we get on these calls. The bullish sign for me was what happened in aerospace.

In fact it was funny; the lawyer was sitting across the table from me and giving me a funny look because we talked about aerospace destocking earlier this week. And my point being that the destocking’s over, if aerospace drops now there’s a whole new thing going on.

We’re definitely seeing the restocking of the supply chain and building up for new platforms, et cetera. So to me that’s a much more bullish sign. Now I wouldn’t be me, Ed, if I didn’t give you something negative and frankly at the staff meeting everybody walks in and we had a pretty good quarter.

And the first thing I ask about is what’s going on with the CPI, the big projects and what’s going on with land-based gas turbine? Why haven’t those bounced back yet? But that to me is still – we’re getting into that two year timeframe where maybe those things will start to bounce in 2016, they should.

But again from a bullish sign I’m very pleased with what I saw in aerospace..

Edward Marshall

Thanks for those caveats.

Cash is going to be up this year, reduced CapEx, what are the plans? Is there essentially a dividend hike in the future, acquisitions, are you considering a buyback? What are you going to do with the cash?.

Mark Comerford

Yeah, it’s everything. We have pretty rigorous capital allocation discussions at the board level and we’ve just come off a pretty good period of investment in the company. And I think we’ve said to you before we want to prove that out a little bit, get that equipment filled up and start to generate some cash again.

And we are having discussions at the board level about capital allocation..

Edward Marshall

Right..

Mark Comerford

And as I mentioned our projection on free cash flow, just a note that that includes the acquisition of the LaPorte asset. So we’re projecting a positive free cash flow with that included in the free cash flow number..

Edward Marshall

Right.

And then finally, what was the benefit from LaPorte in the quarter, maybe top line and EBIT, if you’d like?.

Mark Comerford

Well, it is helping. I mean, its one quarter and it was a smaller acquisition, so you’d probably quantify it, it was about $0.02 to $0.03 on the earnings per share. And remember, we acquired it in January, and that’s with some acquisition-type expenses layered in there as well and startup expenses you might say.

So it is performing, when we annualize what we’re expecting here, it is performing better than we expected in the [ph] geo metrics..

Edward Marshall

You made a good point there. There’s some short-term accounting for the integration of this business, I guess, in the quarter.

And was there any inventory write-ups or anything like that that normally is considered maybe shorter term and non-repeating?.

Mark Comerford

No. Keep in mind, this is a tolling business. It has no inventory..

Edward Marshall

Right. That’s correct..

Mark Comerford

Yup..

Edward Marshall

Okay. Thanks, guys..

Mark Comerford

Thank you, Ed..

Operator

Our next question is a follow-up from Phil Gibbs with KeyBanc. Please proceed with your question..

Philip Gibbs

Thanks. Just curious as far as the new projects and how the tubular backlog is unfolding at this point..

Mark Comerford

Yeah. Tubular backlog is very strong right now. As I mentioned in the prepared remarks, that it’s – in 2012, we had a huge oil and gas project. But if you pull that out the tubular products facility probably had its best six months in history. And that’s on the delivery side, so the shipment side of the business.

And just to give you a rough idea, everything we shipped in the first six months we pretty much replenished six months’ worth of shipments with orders in the last quarter. So the order volume, the order intake in the last quarter on the tubular side was very good. Now you guys know the story behind that.

We got some recent contracts completed, and we started to fill out the order book on those contracts. So, a lot of good things happening there. But the tubular side of the business is performing well, it’s getting caught up, and we’re continuing to book it very heavily for the new capacity..

Philip Gibbs

Okay. Thanks so much..

Mark Comerford

You bet..

Operator

At this time, there are no further questions in the queue. I would like to turn the call back over to management for closing comments..

Mark Comerford

Thank you, LaTonya. Thanks, everyone. Thanks for joining us today, and thank you for your interest and support of Haynes. We’ll look forward to updating you again next quarter..

Operator

Thank you. This does conclude today’s teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. And have a great day..

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